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Post by flanz on Dec 2, 2019 15:39:38 GMT
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Post by artgirl1 on Dec 2, 2019 16:12:19 GMT
I think that people support trump for a number of different reasons.
1) his rhetoric allows people to verbalize their own bigotry or prejudice. His lies allow them to tell that white lie without guilt or consequences.
2) his rhetoric allows them to blame others for their own failings. (ie I haven't gotten a better job, piece of the pie, etc, because of immigrants (or POC's). It is much easier to blame the nameless immigrant than it is to accept your own lack of motivation. It is easier to blame the immigrant/POC rather than the corporate head of your company who fails to provide you with a livable wage, better benefits or working conditions. You can put a face on your anger.
3) For the upper middle class, or wealthy, I feel their support is more based upon their sense of entitlement. I got mine (and am getting more with this president) so who cares about the greater good/other people? It is a sense of entitlement and pure selfishness. And this president allows them to validate these feelings of entitlement. Why should I support free school lunches when I paid for my own? When did it become wrong to help others?
4) Pure laziness- why should I research something when I have facebook/fox news telling me how to think, and who to support.
5) Showmanship - his presentations are all soundbites that appeal to our short term attention. Most people do not look beyond the surface of what he says. Looking at the tree instead of the forest concept.
I also think the media contributes to this because most newscasters do not have the gravitas of a Chancellor, or Huntley/Brinkley. And because news is a 24 hour cycle, so much fluff is added that it can be difficult to pick out the key points. And many news people don't ask the followup question that would clarify the issues. For example, on Ukraine, they use Peroshan/Zelensky as interchangeable. They do not state the former President Peroshan was known for corruption, and current President Zelensky is very anti corruption. Not clarifying that the Democratic socialists are not truly Socialists. (And truly what is medicare, and Social Security, or farm bailouts, but a version of socialism?). Not clarifying the consequences of Trumps actions, ie, the trade wars hurt the farmers, which resulted in the farm bailouts, which the American people are paying for through our taxes (and the farm bailouts are not going to the small farmer, but the corporate farms -looking at you Chuck Grassley). Not clarifying that the Dems are not "Do Nothing Dems", but have 400 bills passed sitting on Mcconnell's desk.
Unfortunately, too many have become too lazy to do their own due diligence on researching candidates and get swept up on the tidal wave.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 2, 2019 16:13:07 GMT
As one of their own? We’re they hit in the head with a heavy object? What about this insanely rich, pampered man makes them feel like he is one of their own?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 2, 2019 17:02:49 GMT
As one of their own? We’re they hit in the head with a heavy object? What about this insanely rich, pampered man makes them feel like he is one of their own? Because he tells them how marginalized they are, how unfair the (Dems) past administrations have been to them, that they are being discriminated against—so they feel that he is truly speaking for them. So what he promises them and what he actually does are polar opposites, and the only successful thing his administration does is misinformation campaigning—so he creates tariffs, fucks up the farmers, then blames the Democrats, then gives the farmers billions in bail out monies (so to them, he looks like Jesus Christ the Savior). Disinformation is what gets the buy in from his supporters. That and the fact that they’ve likely had lifelong training to hate the Democrats. Which is funny because most are blue collar workers (farmers, coal workers, laborers...) His lies are so many, go so far that they are living on built up lies. Back in 2016 after he was elected, I had a very interesting conversation with a client. He predicted that it was going to have to get really bad for trump supporters to jump ship (and this was based only on what we all saw back then!) —client was talking about everything imploding from healthcare benefits, social security, welfare... he said to break the mindset trump supporters had, it was going to have to get VERY real for them, losing jobs, losing healthcare, losing unemployment benefits, losing food stamps and other benefits and literally hitting bottom of the barrel before they would turn to someone else. My thought was that his continued erosion of all these systems would eventually break them, however it would be too far gone that the will of the people would be so diminished that they wouldn’t be in a position to “fight back”. Such a scary scenario, that it’s why I resist now.
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 2, 2019 17:06:05 GMT
But....but....but.... trump IS one of the "urban elites". Totally. At this point I've decided it's just plain stupidity that has people still supporting him. No other explanation.
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Post by artgirl1 on Dec 2, 2019 17:13:46 GMT
My thought was that his continued erosion of all these systems would eventually break them, however it would be too far gone that the will of the people would be so diminished that they wouldn’t be in a position to “fight back”. I keep thinking about the America that will be left for the next generations. We have not been perfect in the past, but the checks and balances averaged out on the whole. Now, with the national debt created by trump, and climate change, and the destruction of the belief in the Constitution, and the accepted behaviors of politicians, I fear that we will self destruct. I am calmer when I speak with trump supporters in person than I am here, because I truly try to understand how they can continue to support him. What amazes me is that one can truly explain their reasoning as to why his actions are acceptable. They just go with his soundbites 'fake news' do nothing Dems, etc... There is no thought process there. And, I am convinced that we will be going into a major recession soon. That is one thing all Republican Presidents have as their legacy...creating a recession. We are tilting at windmills
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Post by lisae on Dec 2, 2019 20:30:24 GMT
until they stop seeing him as one of their own." This is the part I most don't get. I passed a house today with a Trump 2020 flag on their flag pole here in rural America. When I was growing up, being a 'yankee' was the ultimate outsider. How anyone can see a NY billionaire whose greatest accomplishment has been a reality TV show as one of their own is just beyond me. People have stomped right over their common sense and idolized a man who clearly knows nothing about their lives, cares nothing about their lives and has no intention of improving their lives. I think his fan base are dug in and will never admit they were wrong about him. The people we need to vote in 2020 are not the ones who love Trump but those who may like some of the Republican agenda but are persuadable. Trump lovers and those who will vote Republican no matter who's running aren't the audience to persuade.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 2, 2019 20:34:23 GMT
Then they are super stupid because he looks down on them more than anyone else.
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Post by Country Ham on Dec 2, 2019 23:27:54 GMT
Then they are super stupid because he looks down on them more than anyone else. But references like this one kind of makes the author's point I think. No one likes to called stupid. The people I know would stop listening the minute they felt they were being talked down to, or thought of that way. I know for me personally every time I see the mocking of what is seen as a stereotypical hillbilly I cringe on the inside and I don't even listen to what the person has to say. It might be the most truthful thing I could hear. I didn't vote for Trump but I live in an impoverished small southern town. I am lucky in that I am upper middle class in this town (husband works 2 full time and one on call job) and I help keep a family business going on a day to day basis and draw no salary. Even with all that we do not have a 6 figure salary. This area is very Republican. People are very much God, Country, Guns, and Republican to a zealous point. It will not matter whose name is on the ballot. There is a great local democtrat working so hard to make people see the bigger picture and does it in a way that doesn't make anyone seem "small" or uneducated etc. Last state election she did better then any democrat has ever done here, but she lost. For me there is such a dichotomy (? maybe not the right word) in the conservative world. You have moral/social issues and then fiscal. Those two things bring to large groups of society together that are such polar opposites. The poor, lower middle class conservative religious types and the super rich. The super rich feed off the backs of the lower classes as a general rule. I am rambling and i probably made my own stereotypes here.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 2, 2019 23:44:00 GMT
I live in a rural town. I have been surprised by the people who do and do not support Trump. Where I have been surprised is small business owners who have felt they have benefited from the Trump administration. Until something personally affects them, they will continue to vote for what benefits them the most. They like he "tells it like it is". I had a lady tell me, she loved the way he got people to turn the other way from real issues. I said gas lighting isn't a positive trait. She looked confused by the term gas lighting. Her husband (a family member) told me he still loves us anyway, even if we don't vote for Trump because he will be president in 2020. A retired businessman who did very well. I don't know the answer because he is clearly not stupid in every area of his life.
Another thing I've noticed is they feel like they are looked on as ignorant. Basically they are mansplained why they don't fit in with the way America has changed. They stay silent and have an attitude of I'm labeled ignorant, racist, homophobic, and stupid. Then they vote. They feel like they have zero value in the Democrat party. They don't love Trump. They aren't happy with how the Republican party has changed. BUT if you vote independent you are "throwing your vote away". So they vote Republican.
I don't see how things will change. Maybe his tax records being released and the Epstein connection being proven. Probably not. It's obvious in the impeachment hearings he's guilty, but that doesn't even matter.
I hope Trump can't run for president.
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Post by Merge on Dec 2, 2019 23:53:47 GMT
Totally honest question, no snark intended: at what point is it OK to expect that people might look past what a candidate or president says and look at the actual effect of his policies?
Trump is not helping people in the rural south. Nor are any of the GOP senators they vote for.
When some refer to these voters as “stupid,” I think it’s honest confusion about why rural white folks keep voting against their own self interest. (And I see a lot of irony in the fact that middle and upper class “fiscal conservatives” will vote solely based on financial self-interest while ignoring the dumpster fire in front of them, but lower class people set aside their own financial interests and embrace the dumpster fire. WTAF is that?)
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 2, 2019 23:56:36 GMT
I keep waiting for a tape of Trump talking trash about his supporters to pop up.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 2, 2019 23:58:00 GMT
The super rich feed off the backs of the lower classes as a general rule. I am rambling and i probably made my own stereotypes here. Yes, Trump & his buddies DO feed off the back of the poor. They also have no respect for them, will bleed them dry given the opportunity. The fact that they can’t or refuse to see that blows my mind. They just need to look at the policies that have been passed. The ones that cater to the rich & the large corporations, like the corporate tax cuts that do not expire while the personal tax cuts do expire. You know the one where u got $12 more a month that went towards my increase in healthcare costs. Walmart’s tax cut doesn’t expire. You know Walmart, billion dollar company that has more full time employees on food stamps. Not to mention how anyone who is ‘god & country’ can accept the trashing of the constitution from day one if this administration. If the emoluments clause means nothing why do they think the second amendment means anything? Same constitution . The area I grew up was devastated by ‘trickle down’ Tax policies the first time around with Reagan. Almost 80% of family farms in the area were wiped out by debt, farms that had been in families for 3-5 generations. Sold to developers or lost to foreclosure then sold to developers. Main Street was destroyed. You know I went to school with the pharmacists son, knew the owners of every shop. Had the kind of Main Street that was ‘charming’. All gone. Couple of businesses left. But most gone. And yet if I go home there fly the Trump flags. And I shake my head because I’m not sure the area can survive a second go round. They have the freedom to continue to believe a charlatan who is lying to them while he despises them and looks down on them and stomps all over the constitution they supposedly hold so dear. But I also have the freedom to think that they are idiots contributing to their own demise
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Post by spottiedottie on Dec 3, 2019 0:24:40 GMT
Barack Obama famously talked about rural Americans in 2008 as "bitter, clinging to their guns or religion". This was very offensive to a lot of voters.
Hillary Clinton called those remarks demeaning and claimed Obama was out of touch and elitist. Then she lost to Obama so she changed her tune in 2016 and called those same American voters deplorable.
Posters in this thread claim Trump looks down on those voters and is contemptuous of them and they're too stupid or blind to see it.
So who should they have voted for in 2016? The Democrat who openly ridiculed them or the Republican who at least pretends to care about them? Who would you vote for if you were them?
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 3, 2019 0:25:05 GMT
Why is being stupid about something a dirty word? I've been called a libtard and a snowflake and that's pretty damn close to insulting my intelligence. But Trump supporters have a fragile ego because they are inferring we think they're stupid and that's not ok? Well let me tell you, when I'm confronted with something upon which I am not knowledgeable I seek out the knowledge I need to overcome the problem. Most of the time. Car repair, I will remain ignorant. But I don't get my panties in a twist because my husband can repair a car and I can't. I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting their own limitations. I certainly don't. It keeps me humble. But, 1) I have a degree in political science 2) I have a degree in philosophy with a focus on political theory 3) I worked as a legislative aide for years for Republicans and 4) I voted Republican for president in every election until 2016. Don't you think my high school diploma Trump thumping cousin Nick might be the slightest bit curious why I would have such a dramatic turnaround? Think about that. Because not a single person has even asked me about how I reconcile my past with my present. Yet, I post that pollution is increased by 14% under Trump and suddenly I'm calling his supporters stupid. I'm pointing out that he has 84 executive orders rolling back environmental protections and I'm spitting in their faces. The fact is, some people are less educated than others about certain things. And it's really, really frustrating that people can't look at themselves critically without taking offense. Newsflash, you don't know everything. No one does. And you either do the research and listen to those smarter than you or you spout off as though you know it all and you look very stupid to those who know more. That's the fact. And that's what's been so eye opening to me Country Ham is that people are expecting others to treat them with kid gloves when they are bulldozing their incorrect and indecent memes for fear of me being offensive. And I know what I know and I know what I don't know and I'm not afraid to eat crow when I'm wrong. And personally that is the craziest thing about these times we are living in. When Donald Trump said that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and still be elected, he wasn't calling his followers loyal, he was calling them stupid. And they can't even muster up offense over that. But be on the opposite side of the argument and suddenly you're out there calling everyone and their brother who supports Trump stupid.
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Post by Jen in NCal on Dec 3, 2019 0:34:08 GMT
I think there is a portion of the population out there that likes him because he makes them look smart. They finally don't have a president that speaks more intellectually than they do.
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Post by rickmer on Dec 3, 2019 0:46:54 GMT
I keep waiting for a tape of Trump talking trash about his supporters to pop up. and it very well may... but you know what?? i *honestly* don't think it will make a difference to the base that does support him. he is truly "teflon don" and, for some reason, *nothing* seems to stick to this guy. he is on tape saying "GRAB EM BY THE P#$%Y". he mocked disabled people. he called immigrants "rapists and criminals". he said "there are very bad people on both sides" after charlottesville unite the right rally. there are running counts of the mistruths he speaks in EACH and EVERY speech, convention, interview he does (dozens, by most accounts, every time he opens his mouth). but THAT doesn't seem to matter. for a long time each time he said or did something outrageous, i would think, "OKAY!! this will bury him... he won't be able to get out from under this". and then he does. so count me as one who believes his supporters will continue to doubledown on their support on him, regardless of what he says or does - because that is what they have shown over and over again.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 3, 2019 0:49:19 GMT
I think there is a portion of the population out there that likes him because he makes them look smart. They finally don't have a president that speaks more intellectually than they do. well, that’s true.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 3, 2019 1:21:37 GMT
I think there is a portion of the population out there that likes him because he makes them look smart. They finally don't have a president that speaks more intellectually than they do. I wonder how many of them would like having a boss like that. No one seems to have problems respecting the fact that their boss has more experience and education. But yeah, we want a president who talks like trash.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 3, 2019 1:48:07 GMT
Barack Obama famously talked about rural Americans in 2008 as "bitter, clinging to their guns or religion". This was very offensive to a lot of voters. Hillary Clinton called those remarks demeaning and claimed Obama was out of touch and elitist. Then she lost to Obama so she changed her tune in 2016 and called those same American voters deplorable. Posters in this thread claim Trump looks down on those voters and is contemptuous of them and they're too stupid or blind to see it. So who should they have voted for in 2016? The Democrat who openly ridiculed them or the Republican who at least pretends to care about them? Who would you vote for if you were them? Anyone who cares about the truth knows that you (and everyone else who loves to hate on Obama and Hillary) are taking both of those partial quotations out of context ... most particularly the “deplorables” comment. The day Trump announced his candidacy, I said to myself, thank God he isn’t a Democrat anymore, because I would never be able to vote for him. And he has done nothing but prove me right, every single solitary day since then. People who chose to overlook his monstrousness in order to avoid voting for Hillary have { this much} of my sympathy.
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Post by pyccku on Dec 3, 2019 2:26:10 GMT
Keepamericagreat.com will tell you everything you need to know.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 3, 2019 3:15:34 GMT
Barack Obama famously talked about rural Americans in 2008 as "bitter, clinging to their guns or religion". This was very offensive to a lot of voters. Hillary Clinton called those remarks demeaning and claimed Obama was out of touch and elitist. Then she lost to Obama so she changed her tune in 2016 and called those same American voters deplorable. Posters in this thread claim Trump looks down on those voters and is contemptuous of them and they're too stupid or blind to see it. So who should they have voted for in 2016? The Democrat who openly ridiculed them or the Republican who at least pretends to care about them? Who would you vote for if you were them? I would rather be ridiculed than obsessively lied to.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 3, 2019 3:18:12 GMT
I keep waiting for a tape of Trump talking trash about his supporters to pop up. and it very well may... but you know what?? i *honestly* don't think it will make a difference to the base that does support him. he is truly "teflon don" and, for some reason, *nothing* seems to stick to this guy. he is on tape saying "GRAB EM BY THE P#$%Y". he mocked disabled people. he called immigrants "rapists and criminals". he said "there are very bad people on both sides" after charlottesville unite the right rally. there are running counts of the mistruths he speaks in EACH and EVERY speech, convention, interview he does (dozens, by most accounts, every time he opens his mouth). but THAT doesn't seem to matter. for a long time each time he said or did something outrageous, i would think, "OKAY!! this will bury him... he won't be able to get out from under this". and then he does. so count me as one who believes his supporters will continue to doubledown on their support on him, regardless of what he says or does - because that is what they have shown over and over again. I hear you. I just wonder if his supporters would think differently when it is them who he is trashing as opposed to "others". It might not make a difference, though. Recently CNN interviewed some Trump voters. Some had changed their mind but others hadn't. The reporter asked one if she would still support him if he did, indeed, go out on 5th Avenue and shoot someone. She smugly said, :I would ask why he shot the person."
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 3, 2019 3:19:15 GMT
Keepamericagreat.com will tell you everything you need to know.
That is awesome!
Way to go Tom Steyer!!! LOL
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Post by chances on Dec 3, 2019 4:59:02 GMT
It's irritating to keep talking about a rural/ urban dichotomy. It absolves the many people in "urban" areas who are trump supporters. The many middle class people who are trump supporters. But the thing that is beyond irritating iis treating rural as white. Do y'all know how many non-white, primarily Black and increasingly Latino people live in rural areas, the mid-west, and the South? It's annoying af for media to keep ignoring those people and telling the same story again and again.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 3, 2019 13:15:53 GMT
Well I officially have no hope for the Trump supporters. My nephew and his wife shared photos of Trump serving food to the troops and he wasn't playing golf as reported. We should respect the president. My niece who is a senior in high school liked his post.
I responded this is the same man who said a prisoner of war was not a hero because he got caught. He is good at gaslighting though. Impeachment hearings? He's just serving food. My response is now deleted.
Today's post is about the history of automatic weapons and of course not entirely accurate.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Dec 3, 2019 20:34:55 GMT
They don't like to be called stupid: Calls liberals stupid/libtards/snowflakes/sheeple They don't want to be stereotyped for being hillbillies: stereotypes people for being elite They want to be heard: blocks out all media and voices that don't promote their views They don't like being called racists: posts racist memes and message board posts They hate being condescended to: condescends to those who don't think like they do. Doesn't think people should say bad things about Trump because he is president: said all kinds of horrible things (and still does) about Obama Likes how he "tells it like it is": is still obsessed about "deplorables" and "clinging to God and guns. Still talks about Obama being a liar about staying with your provider: ignores the literal 1000's of lies Trump has told.
On and on and on....
It is all bullshit excuses .
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Post by hop2 on Dec 3, 2019 21:37:09 GMT
They don't like to be called stupid: Calls liberals stupid/libtards/snowflakes/sheeple They don't want to be stereotyped for being hillbillies: stereotypes people for being elite They want to be heard: blocks out all media and voices that don't promote their views They don't like being called racists: posts racist memes and message board posts They hate being condescended to: condescends to those who don't think like they do. Doesn't think people should say bad things about Trump because he is president: said all kinds of horrible things (and still does) about Obama Likes how he "tells it like it is": is still obsessed about "deplorables" and "clinging to God and guns. Still talks about Obama being a liar about staying with your provider: ignores the literal 1000's of lies Trump has told. On and on and on.... It is all bullshit excuses . That’s the thing, I’m far far from elite. I grew up on a farm, rather poor for most of that time. I currently make a rather lowish ( especially for my state ) 5 figure income and live in a rented flat in a semi rural area of my state. It is pretty far fetched to call me ‘elite’ simply because I can read, think critically, form my own opinions, identify when someone is lying to me, know a teeny tiny bit about economics and be able to identify legislation that is skewed to protect large rich corporations as opposed to sole proprietors, partnerships & family businesses. And I guess I’m ‘elite’ because I think the constitution in its entirety is a valued document and am offended when someone sworn to uphold it will not uphold ALL of it. Calls parts of it ‘fake’ and refuses to abide by it. Because I’m offended by people who clamor on about the 2nd amendment & how precious it is, while supporting the blatant refusal to comply with another part of the same constitution. That ( imho ) is STUPID. Devaluing parts of the constitution can lead to devaluing ALL of the constitution and anyone who holds one part of it so dearly yet trashes other parts of it is an Idiot if they expect the parts of document they like to be upheld if other parts are ignored.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 3, 2019 22:49:53 GMT
The reporter asked one if she would still support him if he did, indeed, go out on 5th Avenue and shoot someone. She smugly said, :I would ask why he shot the person." that seems to mean the woman would think if he did it, then he must have had a good (legal) reason for doing it? I swear, don't people THINK for THEMSELVES anymore, at ALL?!? or she was just giving a BS / smart-ass answer? There are plenty of people who *think* they have a good / justified reason for shooting someone, but the courts would beg to differ. But DT shouldn't *have* to abide by the laws the rest of us do? because why, exactly? because of your 401(k) getting bigger? "shrug- my 401(k) is doing good, so I don't care about the rest of it..." REALLY?!? People honestly don't realize that they, THEMSELVES, are being hurt because of DT and the Republicans' policies. Their 401(k) gets larger, but in the process they'll have to pay more for health care, the environment is getting hurt, the rich get richer, but THEIR OWN salaries don't go up, etc. etc. ETA: SO, in the end, they're really NOT coming out ahead, are they? No; they're NOT. But, 'hey, how about that stock market, huh?' DT's avid supporters (in general) seem not able to process more than one thing at once. The *ONE* thing they focus on is either, "he's doing what he said he would" or "the stock market is going up" (nevermind that the stock market has BEEN on an upward trajectory for YEARS. And YEARS. And YEARS. or whatever they toss back in your face when you ask them an honest question. (Do DT supporters focus on that ONE thing so they don't have to face the fact that he really doesn't care about the Constitution, that he's really NOT like them, whatever... who knows.)
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 3, 2019 22:55:39 GMT
Why is being stupid about something a dirty word? I've been called a libtard and a snowflake and that's pretty damn close to insulting my intelligence. But Trump supporters have a fragile ego because they are inferring we think they're stupid and that's not ok? Well let me tell you, when I'm confronted with something upon which I am not knowledgeable I seek out the knowledge I need to overcome the problem. Most of the time. Car repair, I will remain ignorant. But I don't get my panties in a twist because my husband can repair a car and I can't. I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting their own limitations. I certainly don't. It keeps me humble. But, 1) I have a degree in political science 2) I have a degree in philosophy with a focus on political theory 3) I worked as a legislative aide for years for Republicans and 4) I voted Republican for president in every election until 2016. Don't you think my high school diploma Trump thumping cousin Nick might be the slightest bit curious why I would have such a dramatic turnaround? Think about that. Because not a single person has even asked me about how I reconcile my past with my present. Yet, I post that pollution is increased by 14% under Trump and suddenly I'm calling his supporters stupid. I'm pointing out that he has 84 executive orders rolling back environmental protections and I'm spitting in their faces. The fact is, some people are less educated than others about certain things. And it's really, really frustrating that people can't look at themselves critically without taking offense. Newsflash, you don't know everything. No one does. And you either do the research and listen to those smarter than you or you spout off as though you know it all and you look very stupid to those who know more. That's the fact. And that's what's been so eye opening to me Country Ham is that people are expecting others to treat them with kid gloves when they are bulldozing their incorrect and indecent memes for fear of me being offensive. And I know what I know and I know what I don't know and I'm not afraid to eat crow when I'm wrong. And personally that is the craziest thing about these times we are living in. When Donald Trump said that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and still be elected, he wasn't calling his followers loyal, he was calling them stupid. And they can't even muster up offense over that. But be on the opposite side of the argument and suddenly you're out there calling everyone and their brother who supports Trump stupid. reading this post makes me want to give you a huge hug and a standing ovation, jeremysgirl!!! <stamps feet!!> <hear, hear!!> <whistle, whistle!> (that really loud, calling-a-taxi whistle that I can NOT do)
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