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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:21:05 GMT
Time to start a new “part”!
Yamiche Alcindor
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Barry Berke, Dems counsel, played 3 recordings of Pres Trump: 1) Trump saying, "I have the right to do whatever I want as president." 2) Trump saying Russia if you're listening, get Hillary Clinton's emails. 3) Trump saying on WH lawn that Ukraine should investigate Bidens.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:23:18 GMT
Maya Wiley..
“#Berke is doing it! He is bringing in #Mueller #obstruction evidence. He is obstructing here like he did with Mueller in directing #Mcghan to lie. And there is plenty of evidence despite it. #ImpeachingHearing”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:29:27 GMT
Joe Kennedy III
”New docs show @realdonaldtrump Medicare chief Seema Verma asked taxpayers to pay her $47k for stolen jewelry. She should have been fired already for using her position to take health care AWAY from Americans that need it. She must resign.”
From what I understand the jewelry wasn’t insured. But yet because she chose not to insure the jewelry and because she was dumb enough to leave it in a car we are suppose to pay for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:34:21 GMT
Yamiche Alcindor
“Stephen Castor, Repup counsel, arguing that Dems can't prove their case against Pres Trump pressing for a quid pro quo. "The Democrats do not have the proof."
Instead, he says they have a smear campaign, a "riveting" story, and a "narrative" that is "unflattering" to Trump.”
trump doesn’t need anyone’s help in putting him in an unflattering light, he does that all on his own.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:36:38 GMT
Aaron Rupar “"In modern history, we've never gone after impeaching a president in the first term" -- Kevin McCarthy argues that there's a precedent against impeaching presidents before their second term 😂”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:39:08 GMT
Michael McFaul
”There is a fundamental contradiction in Republican defense of Trump. In one breath, they claim no pressure on Zelensky. In next breath, they claim Trump was rightly pressuring Zelensky to fight corruption. Can’t have it both ways. Pick one.”
Random response..
”It's the "throw everything we can think of against the wall and hope something sticks" strategy.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:41:26 GMT
Brian Stelter...
”Editorial boards at two of America's top newspapers — the @bostonglobe and @latimes — have called for Trump's impeachment in recent days...”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:44:08 GMT
David Frum...
”Steve Castor's attack on Michael Cohen's credibility offers an exciting concept for the GOP defense of the president: "You can't trust any of these witnesses, they worked for Donald Trump, obviously they are criminals."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:52:42 GMT
We really are doomed... Done in by apathy. Bill Kristol “"Here’s our real constitutional crisis...We suffer from constitutional rot...Republicans have become indifferent to upholding the Constitution. And much of the wider public is apathetic...This suggests a failure not in legal terms but in civic terms." From the Bulwark.. link“Impeachment and Constitutional Rot”From the article.. “We’re failing at the hard work of protecting and perpetuating our republican system. “And here’s our real constitutional crisis. Rather than a sharp conflict that cannot be solved by our political institutions, we suffer from constitutional rot (a term used by the Wesleyan University political scientist John Finn and Yale law professor Jack Balkin to underscore the erosion of the civic prerequisites of constitutional health). Republicans have become indifferent to upholding the Constitution. And much of the wider public is apathetic to constitutional issues that do not speak to their immediate self-interest. This suggests a constitutional failure not in legal terms but in civic terms—a failure not primarily of political institutions but of civic attitudes. Most Republicans are indifferent to constitutional wrongdoing by a Republican. But it’s hardly just Republicans. Independents are ambivalent about impeachment. They are rightly concerned about health care, immigration, and the economy. But they mistakenly seem to think that the issues underlying impeachment do not warrant their attention or are not particularly pressing.” & So: Do our citizens know the Constitution in any meaningful sense? Americans may venerate the Constitution, but they do not know it. In a recent Annenberg survey, only 39 percent of respondents (weighted demographically) could name all three branches of government. A previous version of the survey, from 2017, had an even worse figure for that question—just 26 percent of respondents could name all three branches. And that year, more than a third of the respondents couldn’t name a single right protected in the First Amendment. Given the dismal state of our constitutional literacy, perhaps it should not surprise us that half of Americans are indifferent to President Trump’s abuse of power. But consider the stakes: Using the power of the state to enlist a foreign government in our elections to spread dirt on a political opponent is not simply a violation of the laws, it undermines our free and fair elections—the very heart of our representative democracy. It replaces the idea of a national interest pursued as a public trust with the self-interest of the officeholder. And it treats the legitimate constitutional opposition not as a rival political party but as an enemy, allowing the tools of the state to be used against loyal political opponents.
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Post by kmcginn on Dec 9, 2019 15:54:27 GMT
This is the Judiciary Committee. Schiff is on the Intelligence Committee and they are finished. Nadler is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:57:07 GMT
Elie Mystal..
”I'm not going to lie, but I'm finding this whole #ImpeachingHearing so emotionally disturbing. The Republicans are just lying and spreading SO MUCH misinformation. They lie like it's breathing.
And I've heard it all before and I know their game, but it's really triggering.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 16:00:54 GMT
Politico.. “Trump lures GOP senators on impeachment with cold cash”“President Donald Trump is rewarding senators who have his back on impeachment — and sending a message to those who don't to get on board. Trump is tapping his vast fundraising network for a handful of loyal senators facing tough reelection bids in 2020. Each of them has signed onto a Republican-backed resolution condemning the inquiry as “unprecedented and undemocratic.” link
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 16:06:31 GMT
Adam Klasfeld..
”Democrats' attorney Daniel Goldman, a former SDNY prosecutor who fought Russian organized crime, begins his argument.
"President Trump launched an unprecedented campaign of obstruction of Congress," Goldman says, noting they received no documents from the White House.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 16:10:22 GMT
Bill Kristol...
”Mulvaney, Bolton and Giuliani have knowledge of how directly Trump was (or conceivably wasn't) involved in pressuring Ukraine to help him politically. In theory they could have exculpatory information. That Trump won't permit or encourage them to testify really says it all.”
What it says is quite simply this “obstruction of justice” by a man with something to hide.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 9, 2019 16:30:39 GMT
So: Do our citizens know the Constitution in any meaningful sense? Americans may venerate the Constitution, but they do not know it. In a recent Annenberg survey, only 39 percent of respondents (weighted demographically) could name all three branches of government. Just a week ago I sat and explained the THREE branches of our government to my 19 yr old DGS (CNN is fake news, I watch FOX DGS). Did I get anywhere? Not sure, but he was respectful and asked a few good questions.
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Post by artgirl1 on Dec 9, 2019 16:35:16 GMT
Politico.. “Trump lures GOP senators on impeachment with cold cash”“President Donald Trump is rewarding senators who have his back on impeachment — and sending a message to those who don't to get on board. I believe the correct term is bribery.
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Post by mom on Dec 9, 2019 18:17:23 GMT
This is the Judiciary Committee. Schiff is on the Intelligence Committee and they are finished. Nadler is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee. I an aware of what committee I am watching. Schiff was scheduled to be a witness today, answering questions under oath. He isn't here and his staff is answering the questions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 18:17:41 GMT
linkI feel kind of bad for the “spin machine” arm of the GOP. Between the impeachment hearings and this report from Justice they have a lot of spinning to do. NBC News.. “Internal Justice watchdog finds that Russia probe was justified, not biased against Trump”“WASHINGTON — The FBI mishandled parts of its application to monitor a Trump campaign aide as it was probing possible Russian interference in the 2016 election, but the overall investigation was justified, according to a long-awaited report by the Justice Department's watchdog that rebuts the president's depiction of a politically biased plot against him. The report by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz concluded that the FBI and the Justice Department launched their investigation into the 2016 campaign not for political reasons, but because of evidence the Russian government was using cutouts to reach out to the Trump campaign as part of its efforts to influence the election.Horowitz found that political bias did not taint the actions of former FBI leaders who have frequently been the subject of presidential attacks on Twitter, including former Director James Comey, former Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and former Deputy Assistant Director Peter Strzok.
At the same time, the report found enough errors — and in at least one case, alleged document tampering by a low-level FBI lawyer — to provide Trump and his allies grist to continue to claim that the investigation was tainted.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 9, 2019 18:53:43 GMT
Mueller Report Redux: Bill Barr is about to undercut a report on the origins of the Trump-Kremlin investigationDec 9, 2019 Here we go again. A respected Justice official has spent months in an investigation into possible wrongdoing at the start of what became the special counsel’s probe, only to have Atty. Gen. William P. Barr moving to counter the results even before they are published. The official this time is the Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, but according to news reports, Barr is maneuvering behind the scenes to counter central conclusions that there was nothing major amiss in the start of the investigation of all-things-Russia. ** The Post analysis says the attorney general has privately contended that Horowitz does not have enough information to reach the conclusion the FBI had enough details in hand at the time to justify opening such a probe, noting that other U.S. intelligence agencies held significant information. Generally, Barr has been supportive of Horowitz, as have Republican members in Congress who have been awaiting the Horowitz report on investigating the investigators. Now they will switch their expectations to whatever U.S. attorney Durham is pursuing in his separate probe. ** www.rawstory.com/2019/12/mueller-report-redux-bill-barr-is-about-to-undercut-a-report-on-the-origins-of-the-trump-kremlin-investigation/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3181** ** ** ** ** ** ** How Bill Barr will try to destroy his own DOJ report blowing up Trump’s ‘Deep State’ conspiracy theoryPublished 5 hours ago on December 9, 2019By Tom Boggioni In a column for the Daily Beast, longtime political observer Michael Tomasky warns that Attorney General Bill Barr will continue to act as Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and will undercut Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report that is expected to show no “Deep State” conspiracy against the president. Calling Barr a “menace to society,” Tomasky said that the attorney general and other Trump supporters will use a three-prong strategy to destroy the report while at the same time cherry-picking anything they can find in it that supports the president. ** The columnist then suggested what Barr will do after the report is released. ** “Assuming the leaks are accurate and the report is not going to drop any nuclear bombs on the deep state, it’ll be the second reality-based setback for the president and his lickspittles after last week’s reports that John Durham, the prosecutor Bill Barr sent traipsing around the world to find evidence of an anti-Trump conspiracy, is turning up goose eggs,” Tomasky wrote. ** More immediately, supporters of the president will grab on to any tidbit they can find to support their anti-White House conspiracy theories and will run with that to Trump-friendly conservative media to amplify it. ** www.rawstory.com/2019/12/how-bill-barr-will-try-to-destroy-his-own-doj-report-blowing-up-trumps-deep-state-conspiracy-theory/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3181
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 9, 2019 19:21:44 GMT
In all these hearings, as many times as it is mentioned about who went to Zelensky's inauguration in May 2019, not one time has anyone, GOP or Dem, said anything about Ivanka being there? Why? Ivanka, Zelensky, Perry, Amb Volker Attachments:
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Post by dewryce on Dec 9, 2019 19:46:10 GMT
This is the Judiciary Committee. Schiff is on the Intelligence Committee and they are finished. Nadler is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee. I an aware of what committee I am watching. Schiff was scheduled to be a witness today, answering questions under oath. He isn't here and his staff is answering the questions. I am assuming that he is not there because they knew he would be a distraction. The lawyers for the GOP, and the GOP committee members would hound him with complaints about the process, and on his stupid statement from the house hearings, and use him to deflect what should be questions about the report. The ranting flying spittle won’t have the same effect on the public when used on Schiff’s no-name staff as opposed to the man himself. Someone Trump and the GOP have already publicly set-up as an enemy and a Never Trumper. I’m also assuming members of his staff were involved in this entire process and the writing of the report and are qualified answer questions about all of it. So, I understand the Dem’s strategy, but will admit it looks suspicious. I am much more interested in hearing from any of the many who should be able to speak up in Trump’s defense, and Trump himself, as it’s his actions that are actually on trial here.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 9, 2019 19:46:25 GMT
“Internal Justice watchdog finds that Russia probe was justified, not biased against Trump” Durham has already made an unprecedented public statement that he disagrees with some of Horowitz's report. That opinion was expected with Barr though.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 9, 2019 19:49:01 GMT
I am much more interested in hearing from any of the many who should be able to speak up in Trump’s defense, and Trump himself, as it’s his actions that are actually on trial here. All those who have refused to appear thus far and that they bring all the documents with them!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 19:51:46 GMT
Ari Melber
“DOJ IG Report rejects claims that the Russia probe began with bad info:
Our investigation did not find that "any information" other than a friendly government's intelligence was used to open the Russia probe.”
“DOJ IG Report concludes "we did not find" evidence that "political bias or improper motivation influenced" the opening of The Russia probe.
The report notes this is the *second* internal DOJ report to reach that conclusion.
(The other was the 2016 review, re Comey etc)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 9, 2019 20:04:31 GMT
Durham: working on developing info from around the world. Disagrees wtih Horowitz.
Wray: acknowledges 40 corrective actions/fixes after Russia probe mistakes.
Trump: IG report, briefed, disgrace to what happened, incredible, embarrassment to our country, far worse the expected, concocted from nothing. Attempted overthrow of government.
Bondi: we are outraged and citizens should be.
Barr says he accepts help of foreign agent........ NOT sure of this one........
WE are SCREWED! Getting worse as every day passes!
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Post by artgirl1 on Dec 9, 2019 20:10:35 GMT
The ranting flying spittle absolutely perfect! Watching these hearings I wonder why can't the Republicans just act with some dignity. Why all the screeching and spinning and shouting? It's only been Gohmert and Collins so far, (and the Attorney Castor) but still stop the posturing and ask a question that may get you to an answer instead of attacking everyone. And I was cringing with the young female Attorney for the Republicans that was questioning Castor. She was well over her depth. I am sure that was a setup for Castor to give his spin and history on past Investigations. Total waste of time. And truly, she should not be sitting there and agreeing with everything he said. If she said "Um, Yes" once, she said it a dozen times when Castor was speechifying. I agree that Schiff would have been a distraction if he attended and testifies. It would only allow the Republicans to divert attention from the issues of today's hearing.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 9, 2019 20:22:36 GMT
Ari Melber “DOJ IG Report rejects claims that the Russia probe began with bad info: Our investigation did not find that "any information" other than a friendly government's intelligence was used to open the Russia probe.” “DOJ IG Report concludes "we did not find" evidence that "political bias or improper motivation influenced" the opening of The Russia probe. The report notes this is the *second* internal DOJ report to reach that conclusion. (The other was the 2016 review, re Comey etc) My first impression from tidbits I’ve seen quoted online is that there were some findings that not everything was handled properly, for lack of a better word, but it seems with no ill intent or political bias. Perhaps some training or changed procedures need to come from that, and I’d support that completely. But what it comes across to me like is the the Republicans took that type of information, and wanted to send Hillary to the fiery Pitts of hell and basically accused her of treason. They raked her over the coals and “but her emails”ed us to death with it. But here, in what seems at first glance to be a similar situation, they are cherry picking those types of errors and using it to claim that the whole Russia probe was rigged by Democrats. So, you know, we’ll just ignore the actual results of that investigation. See? I told you Ukraine did it. And, by the way, let’s just ignore that whole impeachment sham and crow abou this shall we? Ah, that felt good to get off my chest. And of courses we haven’t been able to read the report itself and I am just basing my opinions on quotes I’ve seen thrown around the Internet. If there was ill intent behind the probe, an unethical sweeping effort by Democrat members of the intelligence community, by all means I want it investigated. But I think it would be stupid to do as the GOP is and throw the baby out with the bath water. What was found by the investigation needs to be fully dealt with.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 9, 2019 20:26:53 GMT
And if I hear one more ignorant person say this impeachment process is an attempt to “overthrow our government” or “overturn the election results” one more time I swear I am going to...very politely hand them a school book on government and suggest that they educate themselves. What a bunch of purposeful ignorance, of intellectual dishonesty, at least on the part of elected officials. Trump’s base may very well be ignorant on the topic and just believe all the lies coming from the GOP.
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Post by Montannie on Dec 9, 2019 20:38:16 GMT
I'm listening to the hearing on the radio. So.Over.Louie.Gohmert.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 20:39:41 GMT
I hate whiners. That is unless I’m the one that is whining.😀
MSNBC
”We should not have a system designed to benefit folks who can write themselves a check."
— Sen. Booker on billionaires entering the 2020 Democratic presidential field.”
This is his excuse, IMO, on why is campaign is not getting any traction. He is also slamming the DNC has set the requirements for the debates. And at this point he may not meet the requirements for the debate this week.
Kamala Harris also whined about the rich guys able to buy ads while she was running out of money and the reason she had to drop out.
Now both of these individuals may of had a point except for the pesky details.
Here who has qualified for the debate as of today:
Joe Biden Pete Buttigieg Amy Klobuchar Bernie Sanders Tom Steyer Elizabeth Warren.
Of the 6 that qualified, only one is a billionaire. Two candidates and maybe three are only accepting donations from small donors. All of these individuals are higher in the polls than Cory Booker. Kamala Harris was dropping in the polls when she suspended her campaign.
The big difference between these two and the six above? Message! Or lack of. Kamala Harris started out strong but couldn’t seem to settle on a message she could/would stick with. Cory Booker. Not sure what he is doing. He got lost in the herd.
Both of these guys may have made strong candidate except that Sanders and Warren have sucked up the air and Booker and Harris didn’t know how to handle it.
Unlike Mayor Pete who seems to be holding his own and even raising in the polls in spite of the number of attacks that have been flung at him by fellow Democrats.
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