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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 15:09:48 GMT
I think they are acting immaturely and like spoiled brats. Since their interview with the BBC several months ago, they seem whiny and concerned only with their immediate gratification. They want to live life on their terms without regard to tradition or reality. Who will pay for them to travel back and forth from the UK to North America? Who will pay for them to maintain two or three separate households? Who will pay for their security detail? Any financial independence he has now is due to inheritance from his mom and the Queen Mum. Anything they establish will be because of his name and lineage.
As for their claim of trying to make a more normal childhood for Archie, get real. He was born to a Prince and an actress. He's been to more continents in his short life than I have. He flies on private jets and is extended many privileges. When he starts school, will they still split their time between two countries? How normal is that?
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Post by auntkelly on Jan 9, 2020 15:11:30 GMT
I completely understand why they want to live independent lives. I think living in Canada is a brilliant idea if they want to have one foot in and one foot out the door.
However, it does seem disrespectful and short sighted not to have discussed this arrangement with the Queen before it was made public. (Of course, I don't know that they didn't, but that is what the reputable news agencies are reporting).
One big issue which apparently has not been discussed is security.
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 15:17:41 GMT
I just heard someone on the radio (member of the public) say that she thinks this was always Meghan’s plan - distance him from his family, move to the US then divorce him!! I do hope that’s not true. Consider the source. Oh I did - I should have added more emojis. Just amazed at the way some people’s minds work.
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 15:19:49 GMT
However, it does seem disrespectful and short sighted not to have discussed this arrangement with the Queen before it was made public. (Of course, I don't know that they didn't, but that is what the reputable news agencies are reporting). [ I agree - if they’d handled it differently I think the reception they got may have been rather different.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 9, 2020 15:37:52 GMT
A correspondent on the BBC just now says this was discussed in the family before the Canadian trip and they were told to come up with a plan for approval. They got back from Canada, presented said plan to Prince Charles who said it wasn’t thorough enough and they needed to rethink. They then went to The Queen who said any plan had to be approved by Prince Charles before going public. Harry and Meghan then decided to go public anyway. So what I glean from all this, which does sound a bit like Chinese whispers, is that the senior royals are disappointed this went public before it was resolved, not that they were unaware. Certainly that was hugely disrespectful to her majesty, Prince Charles and Prince William.
Sometimes, though, you just need to throw all the cards up in the air and see how they land. I imagine the young couple are keen to get on with things and think the juggernaut that is the establishment will take months or years to get everything in place. I think the Palace needs to look on this as an opportunity to move with the times and I speak as someone who loves our Royal Family and its traditions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 15:43:05 GMT
So I read this blog which seems impartial but just explains what this means. fromberkshiretobuckingham.blogspot.com/ It has a lot of inaccuracies and misrepresentations of what some things mean. She really doesn't understand the " set up" of the Royal Family or the status of the monarchy to Britain as a country or as a British Institution as part of out government
However, if they are breaking from the royal family, will they still be the Duke and duchess, or will that be stripped? I'm not sure to be honest and except for the Royal Household no one else does either. The title is bestowed by the Queen herself as a personal honour ( for want of a better word) it is not a title by anyone's right of birth. Prince Harry will still be a Prince though.
I am not quite sure what this all means - do the Brits want the monarchy to be abolished (just wondering?) - No, not really in my experience. Like all countries we have oppositions and is no different towards the Monarchy and some of these want a Republic but they're a very small group. Generally others really don't take that much notice of the Monarchy - it's just there and always will be kind of attitude but they wouldn't be on board for it be abolished either. Then there's the group that are pro Monarchy in a normal patriotic way. The final group are the really staunch Monarchists who follow every detail.
but this does feel very Wallis and David to me. They are either not getting good advice, or they are getting advice and doing what they want without the Palace's support (which maybe they don't think they are getting anyway). As an American with a fascination of the BRF, I hate to see it all fall apart!
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 15:54:37 GMT
A correspondent on the BBC just now says this was discussed in the family before the Canadian trip and they were told to come up with a plan for approval. They got back from Canada, presented said plan to Prince Charles who said it wasn’t thorough enough and they needed to rethink. They then went to The Queen who said any plan had to be approved by Prince Charles before going public. Harry and Meghan then decided to go public anyway. So what I glean from all this, which does sound a bit like Chinese whispers, is that the senior royals are disappointed this went public before it was resolved, not that they were unaware. Certainly that was hugely disrespectful to her majesty, Prince Charles and Prince William. That makes sense taking into account that they said things were at an early stage. They knew of its existence but were blindsided by the release of the statement.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 9, 2020 17:04:45 GMT
I've followed this blog for over a year. In that time it has become very evident that the author is very much "pro Kate" and not a fan of Meghan at all, so I would not say she is impartial. I take what she says with a grain of salt. To be fair to the author, the focus of her blog has always been Kate (hence the name Berkshire to Buckingham). She began to cover Meghan out of necessity because that is what the readers have really been interested in since Meghan burst onto the scene.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 9, 2020 17:07:26 GMT
Go, girl. Get that royal wedding then peace out on the bullshit. And I am sure the "firm" is thrilled to have the public frothing at the mouth over something other than Andrew. Because, oh yes, what Harry and Meghan are doing is so much worse than the perverted creep kept out of sight. No kidding!
I feel terrible for Harry. PTSD is real. I cannot imagine growing up in the spotlight and losing your mother at a young age. No, it was not entirely the paparazzi's fault, but it was a definite factor.
I'm glad they are moving ahead and doing what is best for their family. It's too bad the royal family felt blindsided, but really they are adults! I understand why they went forward. I doubt they would ever come up with a plan that would make both sides happy.
I wonder what the tabloid laws are like in Canada? In the U.S., they have at least agreed (most) to not show the faces of celebrities children. I hope that will protect Archie when they are going about doing normal everyday things.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 9, 2020 17:21:18 GMT
I've followed this blog for over a year. In that time it has become very evident that the author is very much "pro Kate" and not a fan of Meghan at all, so I would not say she is impartial. I take what she says with a grain of salt. To be fair to the author, the focus of her blog has always been Kate (hence the name Berkshire to Buckingham). She began to cover Meghan out of necessity because that is what the readers have really been interested in since Meghan burst onto the scene. True she is pro-Kate, but I also think she's pro-monarchy. She had closed her blog down and recently reopened it. I always felt she was fair/somewhat impartial compared to other blogs where Kate and/or Meghan can do no wrong, and to say they didn't hit the mark 100% means you hate them!
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Post by cindytred on Jan 9, 2020 17:32:52 GMT
I agree. Especially after I read that they trademarked Sussex Royal to be used for hundreds of things including shoes, clothing, stationary, etc. They're definitely going to be financially independent! Cindy I don't know whether they will or not in the future and it's speculation at the moment whether they will do but trademarking the name and recording the listings that it covers is protecting their trade mark. They'll be able to take action if anyone tries to use their names on unapproved products or services, or tries to use them on counterfeit items. That makes sense. Cindy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 18:07:03 GMT
A correspondent on the BBC just now says this was discussed in the family before the Canadian trip and they were told to come up with a plan for approval. They got back from Canada, presented said plan to Prince Charles who said it wasn’t thorough enough and they needed to rethink. They then went to The Queen who said any plan had to be approved by Prince Charles before going public. Harry and Meghan then decided to go public anyway. So what I glean from all this, which does sound a bit like Chinese whispers, is that the senior royals are disappointed this went public before it was resolved, not that they were unaware. Certainly that was hugely disrespectful to her majesty, Prince Charles and Prince William. Sometimes, though, you just need to throw all the cards up in the air and see how they land. I imagine the young couple are keen to get on with things and think the juggernaut that is the establishment will take months or years to get everything in place. I think the Palace needs to look on this as an opportunity to move with the times and I speak as someone who loves our Royal Family and its traditions. When you are 35, as Prince Harry is, it is hard to be told you haven't thought it through and need to rethink. I am sure he is feeling like that is the only answer he will ever get if he didn't do something drastic like go public. My baby is 35. I can't image telling him he has to rethink this career to meet an unstated standard I have set.
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 18:37:19 GMT
I can't image telling him he has to rethink this career to meet an unstated standard I have set. It's s little different in this case I think. It's not that Prince Charles hasn't stated the rules, it's that they don't exist. It hasn't happened before and therefore their plan to remove/not remove/half remove themselves from front line public duty is necessarily going to take a lot of planning and reworking. How are they going to re-organise things like their security, finances and so on? It necessitates the involvement of other members of the Royal family by default and it just sounds like they've jumped the gun a bit in their excitement to start their next chapter.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jan 9, 2020 18:38:10 GMT
A correspondent on the BBC just now says this was discussed in the family before the Canadian trip and they were told to come up with a plan for approval. They got back from Canada, presented said plan to Prince Charles who said it wasn’t thorough enough and they needed to rethink. They then went to The Queen who said any plan had to be approved by Prince Charles before going public. Harry and Meghan then decided to go public anyway. So what I glean from all this, which does sound a bit like Chinese whispers, is that the senior royals are disappointed this went public before it was resolved, not that they were unaware. Certainly that was hugely disrespectful to her majesty, Prince Charles and Prince William. Sometimes, though, you just need to throw all the cards up in the air and see how they land. I imagine the young couple are keen to get on with things and think the juggernaut that is the establishment will take months or years to get everything in place. I think the Palace needs to look on this as an opportunity to move with the times and I speak as someone who loves our Royal Family and its traditions. When you are 35, as Prince Harry is, it is hard to be told you haven't thought it through and need to rethink. I am sure he is feeling like that is the only answer he will ever get if he didn't do something drastic like go public. My baby is 35. I can't image telling him he has to rethink this career to meet an unstated standard I have set. Right, how many peas are in their 30's and only do what their parents tell them they can and cannot do. They are adults and really can make their own decisions. There will be consequences, good and bad, and they will deal with them, just as any adult has to deal with the consequences of the decisions they make.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 18:41:04 GMT
When you are 35, as Prince Harry is, it is hard to be told you haven't thought it through and need to rethink. I am sure he is feeling like that is the only answer he will ever get if he didn't do something drastic like go public. My baby is 35. I can't image telling him he has to rethink this career to meet an unstated standard I have set. Right, how many peas are in their 30's and only do what their parents tell them they can and cannot do. They are adults and really can make their own decisions. There will be consequences, good and bad, and they will deal with them, just as any adult has to deal with the consequences of the decisions they make. And how many peas of any age are part of the Royal Family and drawing income / benefits from it?
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 19:01:53 GMT
When you are 35, as Prince Harry is, it is hard to be told you haven't thought it through and need to rethink. I am sure he is feeling like that is the only answer he will ever get if he didn't do something drastic like go public. My baby is 35. I can't image telling him he has to rethink this career to meet an unstated standard I have set. Right, how many peas are in their 30's and only do what their parents tell them they can and cannot do. They are adults and really can make their own decisions. There will be consequences, good and bad, and they will deal with them, just as any adult has to deal with the consequences of the decisions they make. Really that’s a very simplistic way of looking at something as complex as the institution that is the Royal Family. There are ripples and complexities for thousands of charities just name just one. It’s not just them who will have consequences to deal with...they’re part of a massive organisation and just dropping out isn’t the same as it would be if you or I decided to leave the family restaurant business.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 19:12:00 GMT
A correspondent on the BBC just now says this was discussed in the family before the Canadian trip and they were told to come up with a plan for approval. They got back from Canada, presented said plan to Prince Charles who said it wasn’t thorough enough and they needed to rethink. They then went to The Queen who said any plan had to be approved by Prince Charles before going public. Harry and Meghan then decided to go public anyway. So what I glean from all this, which does sound a bit like Chinese whispers, is that the senior royals are disappointed this went public before it was resolved, not that they were unaware. Certainly that was hugely disrespectful to her majesty, Prince Charles and Prince William. Sometimes, though, you just need to throw all the cards up in the air and see how they land. I imagine the young couple are keen to get on with things and think the juggernaut that is the establishment will take months or years to get everything in place. I think the Palace needs to look on this as an opportunity to move with the times and I speak as someone who loves our Royal Family and its traditions. When you are 35, as Prince Harry is, it is hard to be told you haven't thought it through and need to rethink. I am sure he is feeling like that is the only answer he will ever get if he didn't do something drastic like go public. My baby is 35. I can't image telling him he has to rethink this career to meet an unstated standard I have set. I don't think you can compare an ordinary 35 year old with Prince Harry. An ordinary 35 year old doesn't have the constitutional responsibility in what or how he does things that could affect the British Parliament in many aspects but especially political as Prince Harry does as the 6th in line to the throne. The parliament of Britain is the Crown made up of three parts - Parliament, The House of Lords and the Monarchy who is the head of state. The laws that are passed by the government in Parliament are made in the name of the Crown. The legal system is the Crown. Every member of Parliament takes an oath of allegiance to the Queen. If one has been a working member of the Monarchy one can't just walk away or say "Sorry Dad I'm going to do my own thing now" poof and out you go, with no consultation with the other members of that family or the legality of how it is going to work.
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Post by janeinbama on Jan 9, 2020 19:24:51 GMT
It is so fascinating to me and love the UK peas who are telling us the facts. We trust you peas:) I get my facts from watching The Crown and then fact checking! Watching the show has made me more sympathetic of the British Monarchy with everyone having a job to do whether they want it or not.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 9, 2020 19:25:19 GMT
People keep saying they are going to walk away. That's not what they have said they are doing at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 20:18:51 GMT
People keep saying they are going to walk away. That's not what they have said they are doing at all. and that's the problem. If they want to lead their own life and be self sufficient he has to consider what happens to his " other life". Unfortunately, as much as he wants to he can't have both and they haven't been clear in a lot of " legal" questions concerning their intentions for the future.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 9, 2020 20:32:26 GMT
People keep saying they are going to walk away. That's not what they have said they are doing at all. and that's the problem. If they want to lead their own life and be self sufficient he has to consider what happens to his " other life". Unfortunately, as much as he wants to he can't have both and they haven't been clear in a lot of " legal" questions concerning their intentions for the future. I guess they, as well as the rest of us, will find out what they can and can't have. They are change agents for sure. No matter what happens--they are change agents. I'm glad they have decided to live their lives along what they feel is the best path. This is going to prove very interesting.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Jan 9, 2020 20:33:48 GMT
Call me cynical but I feel like doing this gives them the celebrity of being royal but the freedom to use that for profit. They will still be hounded by the media no matter what as they are still the same people. Stacy I agree. Especially after I read that they trademarked Sussex Royal to be used for hundreds of things including shoes, clothing, stationary, etc. They're definitely going to be financially independent! Cindy From what I am reading they have been preparing their exit for a while now. I cannot pretend to understand why they felt they needed to step away. However, I feel life is hard and there are many roads you can take and this is not the road I would choose.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 9, 2020 20:52:39 GMT
People keep saying they are going to walk away. That's not what they have said they are doing at all. and that's the problem. If they want to lead their own life and be self sufficient he has to consider what happens to his " other life". Unfortunately, as much as he wants to he can't have both and they haven't been clear in a lot of " legal" questions concerning their intentions for the future. I can't imagine how the Queen must feel. Her entire life changed because her uncle walked away from his responsibility, and then to see her grandson do the same thing? And then to say they'll always be there for Will, but then to essentially abandon him in this manner? Meghan and Harry are fooling themselves if they think they can eat their cake and have it too. In or out, you can't have it both ways.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 9, 2020 20:55:58 GMT
I took some time to think about this before posting, I didn't want to shoot off an impulsive reaction.
To me, this looks like they want to cherry pick the pluses and perks of royal life and avoid the crappy parts. Being a working royal is a life of service and restrictions . If they don't want to live that life, they should certainly be allowed to opt out, live the quiet life like the Phillips and Tindalls do. But this plan isn't doing that. If they don't want the lives of working, titled royals, I think the first step is giving up the titles.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 9, 2020 21:02:54 GMT
Predictable too. I was waiting for your response and you didn’t disappoint pot/kettle. The only time you ever post is some rabid rant whenever a person of color is mentioned. Lots of people seem to be intimidated by that, however I'm not one of them. You're just a one way street with very little traffic.
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Post by mom2luke on Jan 9, 2020 21:20:00 GMT
I am curious as to what the Bristish peas feel about leaving Archie in Canada while Meghan and Harry travelled back to Great Britain? I cannot imagine leaving my eight month old son that far away. No way that I could have left my baby that far away.
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 21:28:11 GMT
I am curious as to what the Bristish peas feel about leaving Archie in Canada while Meghan and Harry travelled back to Great Britain? I cannot imagine leaving my eight month old son that far away. No way that I could have left my baby that far away. I have to be honest and say I didn't know that. Really??
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Post by mom2luke on Jan 9, 2020 21:30:57 GMT
I am curious as to what the Bristish peas feel about leaving Archie in Canada while Meghan and Harry travelled back to Great Britain? I cannot imagine leaving my eight month old son that far away. No way that I could have left my baby that far away. I have to be honest and say I didn't know that. Really?? People magazine is reporting that Meghan and Harry flew back to London while Archie remained in Canada with Jessica Mulroney.
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 21:34:34 GMT
I have to be honest and say I didn't know that. Really?? People magazine is reporting that Meghan and Harry flew back to London while Archie remained in Canada with Jessica Mulroney. Wow! Not sure I could do that. I wonder how long until They’re reunited...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 21:38:28 GMT
I am curious as to what the Bristish peas feel about leaving Archie in Canada while Meghan and Harry travelled back to Great Britain? I cannot imagine leaving my eight month old son that far away. No way that I could have left my baby that far away. I would take what People magazine reports with a pinch of salt. It's nothing but a misinformed gossip rag.
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