casii
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Post by casii on Jan 22, 2020 19:09:36 GMT
This is so very depressing that they're standing by a mad charlatan at the expense of America. I sincerely hope November has honest elections. We should get ready to hear about tampering, voter suppression and all manner of hijinks in motion to keep the GOP in control.
I don't see how we can witness the same sham trial and come to 2 totally different conclusions. There are people on social media attacking my Senators as Dems trying to destroy America who were out to remove Trump from day 1. Their reasoning is complete and total word salad. It's scary how devoted they are to their god Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 19:47:16 GMT
FiveThrityEight...
”Schiff referenced the “take care” clause of Article II, which says the president “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.”
Presidents have used this to push the boundaries of power. But it also implies a responsibility to follow the law.
53eig.ht/30L7Pyx”
trump follow the law? The only time trump follows any law is if benefits him personally, otherwise not so much.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 22, 2020 19:53:59 GMT
In the very early hours this morning from one of the defending dt lawyers:
"At one point, White House counsel Pat Cipollone claimed that Trump, author of 16,000 public lies in office, “is a man of his word.”
Another one, Cippolone, has lied in front of Chief Justice Roberts: 1- I'll show my tax returns AFTER the election 2- Mexico WILL pay for the wall, believe me! 3- I will protect pre-existing conditions 4- Obama plays too much golf 5- I'll be busy in the WH, not out playing golf like Obama 6- I'll drain the swamp
And the list goes on, Mr Cippolone!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 22, 2020 20:01:09 GMT
I'll put this here too: More on this. Washington Post op-ed. I have been saying this for a while should dt be reelected!! Washington Post issues a startling warning: Senate GOP is ‘laying the groundwork’ to sabotage democracyPublished 4 hours ago on January 22, 2020By Sky Palma In a piece published in the paper’s Opinion section this Tuesday, the Washington Post’s Editorial Board declared that Senate Republicans are “laying the groundwork for a truncated trial of President Trump that would be a perversion of justice.” Attempts by Democrats to bring in new evidence were voted down, and all signals point to a Trump acquittal that could come as early as next week with no testimony from witnesses — all details that are “unprecedented compared with previous presidential impeachments,” the Board writes. “It would gravely damage the only mechanism the Constitution provides for checking a rogue president.” But it’s not Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s “full collaboration with the White House” that’s the most damaging aspect of the impeachment process, according to the Board; it’s the brazen case being laid out by Trump’s lawyers.“The defense brief they filed Monday argues that the president ‘did absolutely nothing wrong’ when he pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to launch investigations of Joe Biden and a Russian-promoted conspiracy theory about the 2016 election,” writes the Board. “It further contends that Mr. Trump was entirely within his rights when he refused all cooperation with the House impeachment inquiry, including rejecting subpoenas for testimony and documents. It says he cannot be impeached because he violated no law.” Acquitting Trump would send a corrosive message: it would confirm to Trump that he is “free to solicit foreign interference in the 2020 election and to withhold congressionally appropriated aid to induce such interference,” along with giving him a green light to “launch a criminal investigation of any American citizen he designates, even in the absence of a preexisting U.S. probe, or any evidence.” The examples go on. Ultimately, according to the Board, Trump’s defense is designed to destroy the “guardrails” of Democracy designed to rein in presidents like Trump. “If Republican senators go along with it, they will not only be excusing behavior that many of them believe to be improper. They will be enabling further assaults by Mr. Trump on the foundations of American democracy.”Read the full op-ed over at The Washington Post. www.rawstory.com/2020/01/washington-post-issues-a-startling-warning-senate-gop-is-laying-the-groundwork-to-sabotage-democracy/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3552casii
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 22, 2020 20:15:08 GMT
Mike Mukasey, an attorney general during the George W. Bush administration, joined GOP senators at lunch today just before day two of the Senate impeachment trial, Louisiana Republican Sen. John Kennedy said.
The central theme of the discussion was the road ahead if senators engaged in a subpoena of witnesses. It was more a discussion about potential and hypothetical scenarios, not a firm game plan.
“He is a smart guy. He answered a lot of questions about testimonial immunity and executive privilege. He was very informative. How long it takes to comply with a subpoena,” Kennedy told reporters.
Another source familiar with the discussion said the tenor of the conversation reflected the message Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell made on the floor: that a fight over witnesses like former national security adviser John Bolton or acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney could lead to a delay in the Senate trial for weeks or even months as subpoenas for key witnesses make their way through the courts.
Surely not for Bolton, he said he would appear if issued a subpoena or has he lied with the rest?!?!?!?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 22:11:49 GMT
Here is trump at the press conference this morning. Now it’s all about National Security. Except he let the cat out of the bag again when he gave away the real reason he doesn’t want Pompeo etc to quote. It’s “presidential prerogative” that he is trying claim is National Security.
“THE PRESIDENT: First of all, Jerrold Nadler — I’ve known him a long time. He’s a sleazebag; everybody knows that.
Pat Cipollone is a high-quality human being. I was very impressed with Pat. He had great emotion yesterday. Pat is a brilliant guy, but I’ve never seen that emotion. And that’s real emotion. That’s because he knows this is a hoax. And I was very proud of the job he did.
I’ve known — I’ve known Jerry Nadler for a long time. He’s opposed many of my jobs. I got them all built — very successfully built in New York. But — so we have yet another fight. Isn’t it — isn’t it amazing? Isn’t it surprising? Isn’t it amazing?
But if you look at, you know, other aspects or other parts of your question, I think that the — I would rather go the long way. I would rather interview Bolton. I would rather interview a lot of people.
The problem with John is that it’s a national security problem. You know, you can’t have somebody who’s at national security — and, if you think about it, John, he knows some of my thoughts. He knows what I think about leaders. What happens if he reveals what I think about a certain leader, and it’s not very positive, and then I have to deal on behalf of the country? It’s going to be very hard. It’s going to make the job very hard.
He knows other things. And I don’t know if we left on the best of terms. I would say probably not, you know. And so, you don’t like people testifying when they didn’t leave on good terms — and that was due to me, not due to him. And so, we’ll see what happens.
But when you have a national security — where you could call it “presidential prerogative.” You could just call it — the way I look at it, I call it “national security” — for national security reasons. “Executive privilege,” they say. So that would — John would certainly fit into that. When you’re a national security advisor — like this gentleman is doing a fantastic job, Robert — I just think it’s very hard.
And I’ve always gotten along — I’ve actually gotten along with John Bolton. He didn’t get along with other people — a lot of other people. But when he knows my thoughts on certain people in other governments — and we’re talking about massive trade deals, and war and peace, and all these different things that we talk about — that’s really a very important national security problem, I think.
Having somebody — other people — Mick Mulvaney is probably around here someplace. I’d love to have Mick go, but I think that he’s really expressed himself very well when he did a Chris Wallace interview. That was a very, very powerful interview. That was a long, tough — Chris is a tough interviewer. A very talented guy. And, you know, I think it’s not much he can add. He’s been — he’s been great.
I would like to have — I’ll tell you what I don’t like though — I’d love to have Mike Pompeo testify. But again, that’s a national security problem. But I’d love to have Mike Pompeo — but it’s a national security problem.
I’d love to have Rick Perry. Rick Perry has asked me, “I’d love to testify. Please, let me testify.” Because he knows this is all a hoax. He understands it better than most. And Rick Perry would love to testify. But we’re dealing with national security.
We’re dealing with one other thing: Our country has been tied up with this hoax from the day I came down the escalator. We’ve been fighting it. I’ve been fighting it from the day I’ve been elected. I would say probably long before — it could be long before I came down the escalator that — some people have said that, which is hard to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 22:14:10 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”Chuck Schumer told reporters that the idea of a "witness trade" that involves calling Hunter Biden in exchange for former national security adviser John Bolton is "off the table."
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Post by hop2 on Jan 22, 2020 22:19:15 GMT
Most people I know IRL, do not care because: 1 They are Trump supporters & don’t care anyway 2 They are Not Trump supporters assume the senate will not bother to remove him no matter the evidence so why hope
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 22, 2020 22:20:42 GMT
Ultimately, according to the Board, Trump’s defense is designed to destroy the “guardrails” of Democracy designed to rein in presidents like Trump. “If Republican senators go along with it, they will not only be excusing behavior that many of them believe to be improper. They will be enabling further assaults by Mr. Trump on the foundations of American democracy.”the Democrats really need to start responding to BS like this with the comment: "what if Obama had done this?" or "so you won't care at all when a Democratic President does it at some point in the future, then?" to point out just HOW partisan they're being.
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Jan 22, 2020 22:24:31 GMT
the Democrats really need to start responding to BS like this with the comment: "what if Obama had done this?" or "so you won't care at all when a Democratic President does it at some point in the future, then?" to point out just HOW partisan they're being. this only works if a) they are honest with themselves and b) if there is a chance to be a Democratic president again - many of them are fully on board with Trump 2020, Trump Jr 2024/2028 and Ivanka 2032/2036. Maybe they should move someplace that has a hereditary monarchy - say, Saudi Arabia?
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Post by blueswede on Jan 22, 2020 23:24:20 GMT
I fear we may be witnessing the fall of the American empire.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Jan 23, 2020 0:25:59 GMT
I cannot understand how any intelligent, or even semi intelligent person, can watch the videos they are showing, read the word for word quotes from calls and emails, and think, "What a freaking HOAX!" This is not people lying and making shit up.
I cannot understand how 20 years ago, people who thought a president who lied about getting a blow job should be removed from office, but those same people listen to all of this and think it's a witch hunt/hoax and that Trump did nothing wrong.
I do not see how our country/government will ever be the same after this. How will we recover from this bullshit?
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 23, 2020 0:55:55 GMT
I cannot understand how any intelligent, or even semi intelligent person, can watch the videos they are showing, read the word for word quotes from calls and emails, and think, "What a freaking HOAX!" This is not people lying and making shit up.
I cannot understand how 20 years ago, people who thought a president who lied about getting a blow job should be removed from office, but those same people listen to all of this and think it's a witch hunt/hoax and that Trump did nothing wrong.
I do not see how our country/government will ever be the same after this. How will we recover from this bullshit?
I have said it before and will say it again. Trump is by definition himself temporary, and I do not know him. But I will never forgive the people I do know who are supporting him.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jan 23, 2020 0:56:46 GMT
I fear we may be witnessing the fall of the American empire. I’ve been thinking this for a while .
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2020 1:05:26 GMT
The problem with John is that it’s a national security problem. You know, you can’t have somebody who’s at national security — and, if you think about it, John, he knows some of my thoughts. He knows what I think about leaders. What happens if he reveals what I think about a certain leader, and it’s not very positive, and then I have to deal on behalf of the country? It’s going to be very hard. It’s going to make the job very hard. Bold mine. So now some of the world leaders KNOW you have spoken badly about them for sure, they just don't know which ones!! Dimwit cannot keep his mouth shut! Bolton is writing a book, you moron!
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rodeomom
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 23, 2020 1:05:41 GMT
I cannot understand how any intelligent, or even semi intelligent person, can watch the videos they are showing, read the word for word quotes from calls and emails, and think, "What a freaking HOAX!" This is not people lying and making shit up.
I cannot understand how 20 years ago, people who thought a president who lied about getting a blow job should be removed from office, but those same people listen to all of this and think it's a witch hunt/hoax and that Trump did nothing wrong. I do not see how our country/government will ever be the same after this. How will we recover from this bullshit?
I have said it before and will say it again. Trump is by definition himself temporary, and I do not know him. But I will never forgive the people I do know who are supporting him. They are not watching! They are watching Fox and fox is not covering the trial.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Jan 23, 2020 1:12:27 GMT
I can't help but think that somewhere out there are this era's Woodward and Bernstein. I keep telling myself that...the US government did not bring down Richard Nixon. Republicans back then called it a witch hunt. And two journalists brought down a crooked president, in the days before 24 hour news and the internet.
I hope and pray there is a Woodward and Bernstein out there. There has to be, right?
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rodeomom
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 23, 2020 1:27:50 GMT
I can't help but think that somewhere out there are this era's Woodward and Bernstein. I keep telling myself that...the US government did not bring down Richard Nixon. Republicans back then called it a witch hunt. And two journalists brought down a crooked president, in the days before 24 hour news and the internet.
I hope and pray there is a Woodward and Bernstein out there. There has to be, right?
No, there have been tons of journalists with tons of information that would have taken down a crooked president. If the people don't believe it or even refuse to look at it, what does it matter? Trump is a crooked president, but his supporter are what will bring down the country.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2020 2:35:41 GMT
Vegan fun!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2020 3:14:38 GMT
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Post by katlaw on Jan 23, 2020 5:04:23 GMT
The problem with John is that it’s a national security problem. You know, you can’t have somebody who’s at national security — and, if you think about it, John, he knows some of my thoughts. He knows what I think about leaders. What happens if he reveals what I think about a certain leader, and it’s not very positive, and then I have to deal on behalf of the country? It’s going to be very hard. It’s going to make the job very hard. Bold mine. So now some of the world leaders KNOW you have spoken badly about them for sure, they just don't know which ones!! Dimwit cannot keep his mouth shut! Bolton is writing a book, you moron! I don't think there is a world leader out there that can't guess what Donald Trump thinks of them. He called the Canadian Prime Minister Two-Faced. On another occasion he called him meek, mild and dishonest. He shoved the prime minister of Montenegro out of his way to get to the front of the group picture at the Nato Summit. He said of President Emmanuel Macron of France that he gave one of "one of the greatest non-answers I have ever heard” when Macron was trying to be diplomatic and Trump was making inappropriate comments about ISIS. He has zero diplomacy skills. He insults the leaders of countries that used to think they were allies with the U.S. I can't imagine John Bolton has much to say that Trump has not just blurted out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 5:52:45 GMT
Keep the pressure on your Red State Senators!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 14:01:21 GMT
No consequences for breaking the laws and rules. It's the GOP brand.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2020 14:15:19 GMT
No consequences for breaking the laws and rules. It's the GOP brand. Bar them from voting! But not likely. Just so we are not speaking too soon, the democrats better watch themselves when the GOP is doing their thing !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 14:35:57 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2020 14:50:07 GMT
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 23, 2020 15:01:58 GMT
Lord, love a duck. You couldn’t even make up something weirder or more delusional.
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casii
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Post by casii on Jan 23, 2020 15:08:50 GMT
Every time I think of folks who believe Trump's lies, in my minds eye I see The Claw from Pizza Planet at Toy Story and all the squeaky aliens looking up in reverence.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2020 15:58:41 GMT
MSNBC: Hayes contrasted senators who are in the Senate chamber for the duration of the trial with citizens who regularly serve on juries, noting that many often have to take time off work to complete the responsibility. “If the trial goes for a long time, often [jurors] don’t collect their paycheck from that and are given a meager amount of money relative to what some of those people might make,” Hayes said on the air Wednesday evening. “This is literally [senators’] job. If you find it too annoying or frustrating or uncomfortable to sit for eight hours and listen, you can resign tomorrow and go get another job.” thehill.com/homenews/media/479519-msnbcs-chris-hayes-knocks-senators-for-ducking-out-of-impeachment-trial-you
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2020 16:11:34 GMT
Interesting words out of his mouth.... Has been a strong dt supporter... Thinking his words will not count at the end!
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