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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 24, 2020 20:19:08 GMT
WE are not alone with our opinions: .............. Which is the least of it. Numerous Republican senators have been reported to have just left for long stretches at a time. Rand Paul brought in a crossword to play with. At one point more 1/5 of the Senate—21 members—were out of the chamber. Which leads to one major question: what in the hell is Chief Justice John Roberts doing in the meantime, since he's refusing to enforce the rules?He is presiding over this trial, which is supposed to mean enforcing the rules, not acting like a potted plant and doing whatever it is he's been doing—catching up on reading? Crossword puzzles? We don't know that either, because Mitch McConnell didn't let any cameras in besides the ones controlled by him. We get one camera view, the person who is speaking, so all the senators who are supposed to be remaining in their seats, paying attention, not talking can do whatever the hell they want, it seems. Republicans clearly don't give a damn about anything, Trump could steal the entire treasury and if they got a kickback, they'd be fine with it. But they're being just a little too obvious in that, underestimating the extent to which the voters are turning against them, both in hearing new witnesses and documents, and in convicting and removing Trump from office. They're playing with fire, increasing the likelihood that they'll be severely burned in November. ** www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/23/1913492/-Chief-Justice-Roberts-lets-Senate-Republicans-show-blatant-disdain-for-impeachment-proceedings#comment_76040850I know, not most reliable!
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Post by stittsygirl on Jan 24, 2020 21:02:54 GMT
I wonder if these senators don’t care to give a damn because they’ve been assured that November is in the bag for them - both the presidency and holding on to the Senate? That foreign interference is going to hand them the election? I’m not usually big on conspiracy theories but they are sure acting like a group that has nothing to fear come November .
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 24, 2020 21:33:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 21:38:18 GMT
Rachel Maddiw..
”Interesting line of argument from Manager Garcia here -- a reminder that there were initial indications from both State and Defense that they would cooperate with the Impeachment Investigation and provide documents.
But then something happened to reverse their course.”
That something was trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 22:32:06 GMT
Yamiche Alcindor..
”NEW: A source working on president's legal team says lawyers are "eager" to start a "robust" defense of Pres Trump. They plan to talk at length about former VP Joe Biden bc, they say, Dems talked about Biden a lot. They will, not surprisingly, say Trump did nothing wrong.”
In other words they got nothing as far as proving trump didn’t abuse his power etc.
And the Republican Senators are sitting there with heads bobbing up and down agreeing it’s all the Biden’s fault and in trump’s mind he did nothing wrong so it’s ok.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 23:48:25 GMT
"ABC News has not published the recording, only reviewed it. But per its reporters Katherine Faulders, John Santucci, Allison Pecorin, and Olivia Rubin, Parnas can be heard disparaging Yovanovitch on it. Then a voice that “appears to be President Trump’s” can be heard on the recording saying: “Get rid of her! ... Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. Okay? Do it.”This is just what Parnas claimed happened in his interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow last week. “He fired her actually at the dinner, which was the most surprising thing ever.” Parnas continued: The date of this dinner with Trump, Parnas, and Fruman — April 30, 2018 — is particularly interesting because of how early it is. For instance, Rudy Giuliani does not appear to have been involved in the scheme yet at that point. Rather, at the time of the dinner, Parnas and Fruman were buying access to Trump donor events with large campaign donations. And it was Parnas who seemed urgently interested in getting Trump to fire Ambassador Yovanovitch. It is unclear why — or for whom — he was pushing for Yovanovitch’s ouster. Evidently, Trump was happy to order Yovanovitch’s firing there and then — but, Parnas told Maddow, an aide told Trump it couldn’t be done yet, because Mike Pompeo hadn’t been sworn in as secretary of state. (Pompeo in fact had been sworn in but was just taking the reins of the State Department then.) After this, in May, Parnas and Fruman met with Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), promised him campaign donations, and got him to write a letter to Pompeo calling for Yovanovitch’s firing. And finally, in fall 2018, they paid Giuliani $500,000, gained access to his inner circle, and started pitching him on having Yovanovitch fired — in exchange, potentially, for dirt on the Bidens or other politicized investigations from Ukrainian officials. Giuliani then became the face of the effort. Parnas and Fruman arranged meetings for him with current and former Ukrainian prosecutors Yuri Lutsenko and Viktor Shokin. They had useful information, Lutsenko said — but his demand was that Yovanovitch be fired.... So Giuliani tried to make it happen. He urged Trump to fire the ambassador. He worked with conservative journalist John Solomon to plant stories smearing Yovanovitch." www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/24/21080281/lev-parnas-recording-trump-yovanovitch
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 0:23:15 GMT
Why would Trump, who CAN fire an ambassador, tell someone who CAN'T fire an ambassador "Take her out">!>!>>>!
WTEF?
And does the sudden appearance of the tape mean Puppet Master is putting the screws on the Puppet?
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Post by Just T on Jan 25, 2020 0:26:40 GMT
Why would Trump, who CAN fire an ambassador, tell someone who CAN'T fire an ambassador "Take her out">!>!>>>! WTEF? And does the sudden appearance of the tape mean Puppet Master is putting the screws on the Puppet? And once again, I have to ask, can you imagine the outrage if a similar recording had come out about Obama? Every freaking person in the country would have been calling for HIS head on a pike.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 25, 2020 0:51:55 GMT
Why would Trump, who CAN fire an ambassador, tell someone who CAN'T fire an ambassador "Take her out">!>!>>>! Number one, because he cannot fire anyone on his own. He has fired more on Twitter and other forms. He, himself, is a coward! The thugs can and will do it and she would never be found in the Ukraine. She is lucky she was called home in the middle of the night!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 25, 2020 0:55:19 GMT
The date of this dinner with Trump, Parnas, and Fruman — April 30, 2018 — is particularly interesting because of how early it is. For instance, Rudy Giuliani does not appear to have been involved in the scheme yet at that point. I do think that Rep Lofgren(sp) mentioned that time frame today. I remember thinking 'that's a year earlier .. but also Yavonavitch said it had been going on for a year or maybe from the summer of 2018, even though she had been asked to stay sometime in there ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 1:34:38 GMT
Kyle Griffin..
”Schiff: "'Obama also withheld aid.' Honestly, I think that argument is an insult to our intelligence ... He didn't hide it from Congress. In fact, Congress supported it. And yes, there are times when we withhold aid. For a good policy reason. Not a corrupt effort."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 3:31:49 GMT
Bill Kristol..
”Republican senators aren’t good for much, but one of the few things they’re pretty good at is feigned outrage.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 25, 2020 3:59:13 GMT
Here is the article with the recording to hear! trump saying 'get rid of her!' ** The recording appears to contradict statements by Trump and support the narrative that has been offered by Parnas during broadcast interviews in recent days. Sources familiar with the recording said the recording was made during an intimate April 30, 2018, dinner at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C. Trump has said repeatedly he does not know Parnas, a Soviet-born American who has emerged as a wild card in Trump’s impeachment trial, especially in the days since Trump was impeached. "Get rid of her!" is what the voice that appears to be Trump’s is heard saying. "Get her out tomorrow. I don't care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. OK? Do it." ** abcnews.go.com/Politics/recording-appears-capture-trump-private-dinner-ukraine-ambassador/story?id=68506437
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 4:34:22 GMT
Jennifer Rubin...
”So the R senators are so offended by the notion that Trump is strong-arming them they are going to go ahead and vote exactly the way he wants and commit a cover-up. Okay. Whatever.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 15:38:33 GMT
Benjamin Wittes ..
”The impeachment trial of Joe Biden begins today.”
“The impeachment trial of Hunter Biden begins today.”
“The impeachment trial of @repadamschiff begins today.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 16:46:28 GMT
I get the feeling the next couple of days will be a master class in spin, disinformation, & outright lies.
Barb McQuade..
”Philbin is saying, sure Trump fought all the subpoenas, but House is to blame for not forcing him to respond. Response: Constitution says President has duty to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Not to resist complying with law until forced to do so. #impeachment
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 16:48:42 GMT
Barb McQuade
“Due process argument is so cynical. Even in criminal cases, right to cross-examine is a trial right, not a right at charging stage. Republicans were permitted in the so-called “basement bunker” (“SCIF,” actually, but “basement bunker” sounds so much more sinister!)”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 16:52:38 GMT
The White House..
”Over their 3 days, House Democrats cherry-picked evidence, cut testimony out of context, and even flat-out lied.
The President’s lawyers are now showing Americans what the Democrats wouldn't. These facts aren’t just inconvenient for Democrats—they are fatal to their case.”
Barb McQuade
“The most disturbing thing about the war on truth is that the President says things that are untrue because he knows that people will accept it. He is damaging the credibility of our government that was earned over the course of 244 years.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 16:59:30 GMT
ABC News...
”Deputy White House counsel Patrick Philbin argues that President Trump's due process rights were violated in the House impeachment hearings”
Well anytime trump wants to testify under oath I for one would like to hear him. No written question just him “truthfully “ answering the questions in front of the American People.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 17:03:44 GMT
Barb McQuade
“Cipollone is back. This constant emphasis on using as little time as possible is insulting to the American people. This is important and Senators should be expected to do their job without apology for imposing on their time.”
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 25, 2020 17:05:03 GMT
Republicans single handedly have destroyed the reputation, spirit, honor and legacy of the USA.
They’ve done so willingly, gleefully and dishonestly.
They will (are) continue their path if destroying what us left and fully turning America into a full on authoritarian state.
Republicans are liars. They don’t care about anyone but themselves.
People say “you are what you eat” and similarly here they are—“you support what you love”
Everything is going to implode and these trumpateers are going to be in complete shock that they were not who they thought they were to trump/gop, instead they were used as stupid brainwashed, cultist pawns so that the wealthy republicans and corporations could rape the lands by taking down the EPA and regulations, receive tax breaks increasing the national debt to trillions with taxpayers paying the burden they created, our armed forces will he killed off in wars and bullshit that need not happen because of trump’s ignorance (he’s already caused the deaths of an airplane full of people), their health/medical care will be axed next year and no one will be able to afford it. People will die because they cannot get treatment. Working conditions will get worse. More bailouts for the republican fuck ups and tariffs will happen—taxpayers will pay twice—once in tariffs and again for the bailout.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 25, 2020 17:05:11 GMT
GOP master manipulation........ they did two hours thinking no audience
Doing it in prime time Monday and Tuesday!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 0:34:29 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 26, 2020 0:56:56 GMT
"Take her out" is not fire her! That's mob talk!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 2:13:36 GMT
NY Times...
”Breaking News: “Get rid of her.” Listen to President Trump order an ambassador fired while dining with key players in the Ukraine affair whom he’s denied knowing.”
Paul Waldman..
“Imagine what you'd think if you were a member of the U.S. Foreign Service listening to the president hear some goon tell him an ambassador said something bad about him and immediately ordering her fired, without even knowing anything about her including her name.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 26, 2020 2:35:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 14:50:41 GMT
Roberts forced to witness the mess he created w/the buying of elections. Have fun, John. "Ten years to the day before Trump’s impeachment trial began, the Supreme Court released its Citizens United decision, plunging the country into the era of super PACs and unlimited, unregulated, secret campaign money from billionaires and foreign interests. Citizens United, and the resulting rise of the super PAC, led directly to this impeachment. The two Rudy Giuliani associates engaged in key abuses — the ouster of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, the attempts to force Ukraine’s president to announce investigations into Trump’s political opponents — gained access to Trump by funneling money from a Ukrainian oligarch to the president’s super PAC. The Roberts Court’s decisions led to this moment in indirect ways, as well. The court’s 2013 ruling in Shelby County gutted the Voting Rights Act and spurred a new wave of voter suppression. The decision in 2014′s McCutcheon further surrendered campaign finance to the wealthiest. The 2018 Janus decision hobbled the ability of labor unions to counter wealthy donors, while the 2019 Rucho ruling blessed partisan gerrymandering, expanding anti-democratic tendencies. The consequences? Falling confidence in government, and a growing perception that Washington had become a “swamp” corrupted by political money, fueled Trump’s victory. The Republican Party, weakened by the new dominance of outside money, couldn’t stop Trump’s hostile takeover of the party or the takeover of the congressional GOP ranks by far-right candidates. The new dominance of ideologically extreme outside groups and donors led lawmakers on both sides to give their patrons what they wanted: conflict over collaboration and purity at the cost of paralysis. The various decisions also suppress the influence of poorer and non-white Americans and extend the electoral power of Republicans in disproportion to the popular vote. Certainly, the Supreme Court didn’t create all these problems, but its rulings have worsened the pathologies — uncompromising views, mindless partisanship and vitriol — visible in this impeachment trial. And Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), no doubt recognizing that the Supreme Court’s conservative majority is helping to preserve his party’s Senate majority, has devoted much of his career to extending conservatives’ advantage in the judiciary." www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/23/john-roberts-comes-face-face-with-mess-he-made/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 23:27:06 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”Breaking via NYT: Trump told John Bolton in August that he wanted to continue freezing security assistance to Ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into Democrats including the Bidens, according to an unpublished manuscript by Bolton.”
At what point are the Republicans going to dump trump and try and save themselves?
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