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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 16:30:12 GMT
Has anyone watched that? I spent the past two mornings ignoring my housework and other things to get through it. I was struck by how light hearted and Disney-ish the opening music was for such a heavy story.
I had so many conflicting emotions watching it. Such a wasted talent and life. I pray his daughter is doing well and thriving.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 17:04:30 GMT
Haven't watched yet, but on my must see list.
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Post by edie3 on Jan 17, 2020 17:05:05 GMT
I haven't watched it, but is it worth watching?
Saw where someone compared Hernandez to Antonio Brown and all the crap he has pulled lately, and is it from CTE.
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Post by Rhondito on Jan 17, 2020 17:31:49 GMT
Such a wasted talent and life. I plan on watching it this weekend. I followed Hernandez from his days at Florida, and it broke my heart when all of this happened. I've said those exact words so many times; he had the world by a string and threw it all away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 17:32:29 GMT
I haven't watched it, but is it worth watching? Saw where someone compared Hernandez to Antonio Brown and all the crap he has pulled lately, and is it from CTE. That's an interesting perspective on AB. Hadn't thought about that possibility. I was fascinated by the whole AH story so I found it worthwhile. It seemed that some of his problems started soon after he got to UF. The documentary interviews former teammates from high school, college and the NFL. They played jailhouse recordings between him and his mother, fiancé and friends. They seemed to present both sides and let the viewer decide. They detailed his childhood, his relationship with his fiancé, the story of his cousin (where they found the car used in the other murders) and did a very good job of creating a timeline. One of the things that stuck out to me was the jail warden when AH was first imprisoned on the Lloyd murder charges. The warden said that high profile individuals, like Aaron Hernandez, typically have great difficulty in prison. The warden said AH loved it because it was structured and safe. I will never know what was going through his head but this series left me with no doubt that he was the killer in the Lloyd case, but was most likely responsible for the death of the two guys in Boston as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 17:34:17 GMT
Such a wasted talent and life. I plan on watching it this weekend. I followed Hernandez from his days at Florida, and it broke my heart when all of this happened. I've said those exact words so many times; he had the world by a string and threw it all away. One of the creepiest parts of the series was when they showed young girls posing on instagram with their hands behind their back and their shirts pulled down over similar to the way he was perp-walked out of his house. Really was a cult phenomenon.
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Post by slowrunner70 on Jan 17, 2020 18:48:20 GMT
Just put in in our queue, planning on watching it this weekend
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Post by janeliz on Jan 17, 2020 19:01:22 GMT
I’m looking forward to sitting down and watching this soon.
I really enjoyed (that seems like a weird word for me to use considering the subject matter) the Boston Globe series on Hernandez. What a sad, tragic story. He was responsible for his own actions, but it’s striking how many adults and authority figures failed him along the way.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 17, 2020 19:01:46 GMT
I haven't watched it yet, but DH was watching it last night and said it was good.
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 17, 2020 19:25:44 GMT
I watched it and didn't move for the entire day, it was really good.
IMO he was a sociopath, I don't give him a pass for suffering from CTE one bit. If anything, football and his career kept him mostly from becoming a mob/hit man serial killer. Sheesh, the guy was evil.
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Post by 3SugarBugs on Jan 17, 2020 19:39:03 GMT
I watched it on Wednesday night...so many thoughts! At certain times I felt sorry for him and at other times I wanted to ring his neck. I'm conflicted on if his sexuality played a part, or if he was just naturally a more agressive "easy to trigger" personality. Then throw CTE on top of that...any way you slice it, it is very sad.
One thing I was confused about...did his mother begin a relationship with the husband (or ex-husband) of the cousin Tonya? The one he was super close too? Just another layer of complexity. He was definitely failed by many in his life along the way, but at some point when do you take responsibility for your actions regardless of past treatment?
Was his suicide so his conviction could be vacated, or his sexuality, or everything combined? Such a sad story for such a stand-out talent.
I also wonder about his daughter, fiance and mother....oh and the sister of the fiance. Did they mend fences? I hope there is healing for all involved.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jan 17, 2020 20:24:59 GMT
I’m looking forward to sitting down and watching this soon. I really enjoyed (that seems like a weird word for me to use considering the subject matter) the Boston Globe series on Hernandez. What a sad, tragic story. He was responsible for his own actions, but it’s striking how many adults and authority figures failed him along the way. The show is based on that series. It follows it almost exactly. You know, lots of people are failed in their lives. Lots of people have rough beginnings. Lots of people play football. But they manage to avoid killing people. He was a serial murderer. He shot strangers in the head from his car window, because they dissed him. He shot a friend in the face because he knew about it. Then he murdered another friend, because he knew about it. He was evil. I thought the interviews with the football friend of Odin Lloyd were really powerful. He came across as a true friend.
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Post by janeliz on Jan 17, 2020 21:37:02 GMT
[You know, lots of people are failed in their lives. Lots of people have rough beginnings. Lots of people play football. But they manage to avoid killing people. He was a serial murderer. He shot strangers in the head from his car window, because they dissed him. He shot a friend in the face because he knew about it. Then he murdered another friend, because he knew about it. He was evil.]
You’ll get no disagreement from me there.
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Jan 17, 2020 22:32:29 GMT
I had lunch with my son today and he was telling me about this. I am going to watch it this weekend.
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Post by edie3 on Jan 18, 2020 2:53:26 GMT
I watched it, and he doesn't get a pass from me. Whether it was his upbringing, sexuality or CTE, he was a thug. And I think the only reason he killed himself was for his girlfriend and daughter to get the money. After the innocent verdict he cried, but showed no emotion after the guilty verdict.
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Post by rickmer on Jan 18, 2020 3:05:26 GMT
i just finished it today. i heard it compared to "making a murderer" but didn't get that comparison at all. very tragic... i did appreciate how there was so many interviews with people that knew his victim, odil lloyd. often that part kinda gets glossed over "he was a great guy, everyone loved him" now back to more about the person that committed the crime. as others have said, lot of people live thru sad, abusive, messed up situations. i was intrigued by the CTE situation - malcolm gladwell had an incredible podcast called "burden of proof" discussing that very issue. there is a correlation to impulsive behaviour, quick to anger but most of the cases i have heard about who have had their brains studied to confirm the CTE were individuals who died by suicide - no others that i know of have been murderers? i do recall, as they mention in the show as well, they are quick to ask for their brains to study because in the podcast they said many of them die by suicide, shoot themselves in the head. : : that podcast made me VERY aware of concussions - my son plays hockey and is being scouted for a higher level. if feel if he gets one concussion... there would have to be some hard conversations about continuing....
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Jan 18, 2020 4:42:22 GMT
I’ve been trying to get into it but I find it boring.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 18, 2020 5:53:05 GMT
I can't get beyond how athletes are paid so much money and throw it all away. I think football should go away, especially for all of the documented injuries. Not sure why people want to watch this sport.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 19, 2020 2:00:49 GMT
I binged this one too this weekend. It was fascinating. I remember when the trial came out, my son is a huge Pats fan, but I had no idea really who this guy was. And OMG the talent he threw away. Also, I'm sorry but I think his GF totally threw away the murder weapon and I wish she could have been charged.
Yes, that's what it sounded like. Crazy.
I also was shocked he took his life so his wife/daughter could be provided for. I was appalled. Then I saw this on Wikipedia, and felt a little better: On March 13, 2019, the Supreme Judicial Court reinstated Hernandez's conviction, but stated that the trial record would note that his conviction was "neither affirmed nor reversed"; the appeal was rendered moot because Hernandez died while the case was on appeal.[133] The Court, in their ruling, also officially ended the practice of abatement ab initio, ruling that it was outdated, never made sense, and that it was "no longer consonant with the circumstances of contemporary life, if, in fact, it ever was." After the ruling, Hernandez' estate vowed to appeal the ruling further.
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Post by SweetieBugs on Jan 19, 2020 2:33:17 GMT
Is it 3 episodes in total or will more episodes be added? We finished 1 and 2 last night. It's a fascinating story but I don't like the nonlinear method they are using and their narration is not the easiest to follow (and I'm a die hard murder mystery buff).
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Post by papersilly on Jan 19, 2020 4:56:49 GMT
This is on my list.
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Post by utpea on Jan 19, 2020 6:50:29 GMT
I haven’t watched this Netflix show yet, but I listened to a podcast about Aaron Hernandez and it was great. It’s called, “Gladiator”.
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Post by Rhondito on Jan 19, 2020 16:20:37 GMT
After watching I can't help but wonder what path his life would've taken if his father hadn't died. It's seems everything started a downward turn when his mother took up with his cousin's husband and he moved in with that cousin. She introduced him to the two guys who stayed with him through life and were with him when he killed Lloyd. Without his father he had no guidepost to keep him on the straight and narrow. He was dropped into the UF program at only 17! I never realized he was that young back then - he certainly looked older. All of that "celebrity" and power of being a UF football star is a lot to handle at such a young age. And then they pointed out when he was arrested he was 23, with a mansion, and a $40M contract.
I'm sure the CTE played a part in his actions, but I'm not placing much blame there. As others have said - there area many, many, athletes who suffer from CTE and they don't go out and kill people.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 19, 2020 17:20:39 GMT
We watched the Netflix episodes and will watch the ID episodes as well. I did not come out of the Netflix series feeling like people failed him repeatedly and I didnt feel sorry for him. Could CTE have had something to do with his outbursts of rage? Yes. Did he try to get help? Nope. Are there other football players with equivalent CTE who have not murdered 3 people and attempted to murder another? Probably.
The part about his cousin refusing to testify against him to the detriment of her own health, while she had small children at home seemed very strange.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jan 19, 2020 19:21:32 GMT
dd, a very non-sport oriented person watched the other day and really liked it, which convinced me to watch.
I found it a quick watch, watched all 3 yesterday. I didn't follow the case when it happened even though it was fairly local to me. It was pretty thought provoking. Lot of interesting details that leave you thinking.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jan 19, 2020 19:29:59 GMT
It was riveting. I watched it all yesterday. Such a tragic life and there is no doubt that his sport played in to it. I would not want my child playing football. The evidence is clear that repetitive concussions are so damaging.
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Post by psiluvu on Jan 19, 2020 23:02:12 GMT
I have watched episode 1 and am planning on watching the other two tonight with my ds. Very intriguing and I think things may have turned out different if his father had lived.
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Post by tenacious on Jan 19, 2020 23:22:39 GMT
I also did not like the non linear formula, and I felt like they did not add much to story that I didn’t already know. Well, I didn’t know about his cousin and that relationship. I was surprised they kind of glosses over the friend that he shot in the face and that whole drama
I also think it is very telling that everyone had such positive things to say about him in his early life—especially his high school friends. I thought it was really interesting that they all said he was not at all a bully and was a happy guy. I think a true sociopath would at least have some of those traits as a younger person...but, I am no psychologist.
I do think the premature death of his father and the betrayal by his mom were the beginning of his demise. I am sure the alleged sexual abuse also had an effect. I do not think the CTE was the main factor at all.
So sad and senseless. I feel especially bad for his victims whom were unarmed, and in vulnerable positions. What a coward to attack like that.
Erin
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Post by KelleeM on Jan 19, 2020 23:36:29 GMT
I watched it and didn't move for the entire day, it was really good. IMO he was a sociopath, I don't give him a pass for suffering from CTE one bit. If anything, football and his career kept him mostly from becoming a mob/hit man serial killer. Sheesh, the guy was evil. I just watched it and agree with this.
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Post by psiluvu on Jan 20, 2020 2:00:50 GMT
I just finished watching it. I don't think CTE was to blame for his actions. I think he was a sociopath. I did think there was something off with his high school quarterback and his dad. I can't put my finger on it but there was something off with them.
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