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Post by twoboyzmom on Oct 23, 2014 15:55:55 GMT
My boys were moved from their ped office to my DH and I primary dr. This is the first month since going my son needed a refill on his add meds. I walked in just now to get it and their is a $10 charge for a controlled substance rx. What! ?!?!?! Never in my life have I heard of this and he's been on meds 7 years! Am I wrong to be completely baffled or is this normal?
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Post by twoboyzmom on Oct 23, 2014 16:20:21 GMT
Wow. Learn something new everyday I guess. Just never in my life heard of this
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Post by MerryMom on Oct 23, 2014 16:20:38 GMT
The short answer is yes, doctors can bill for any uninsured service - prescription renewals, telephone calls and sick notes - items physicians are not paid under the traditional fee-for-service system. Many places charge $30 for this: that is what my mom's doctor charges. She's on 4 medications and the charge is $30 for all three being done at one time. This is not when a doctor sees a patient and writes a prescription.
Something as simple as a prescription refill, takes about 15 minutes of physician and support staff time. The chart is retrieved, taken to the doctor's office, where it must be read. A decision is made to renew and a note made. The prescription must faxed or phoned in, then the chart re-filed.
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Post by cmpeter on Oct 23, 2014 16:23:04 GMT
Our pediatrician's office does not charge for this. Although, I can see why one might as it does take time for the doctor to write the prescriptions.
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Post by stampinbetsy on Oct 23, 2014 16:24:53 GMT
We get charged for adhd scripts - whether you pick them up on time or not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 16:26:44 GMT
Doctors who treat adults are very different from pediatric doctors--it was a brutal awakening when DS1 turned 18. Neurologists for adults...not fun at all. And the waiting rooms are downright boring.
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Post by vicloo on Oct 23, 2014 16:30:51 GMT
The doctor I work with has to pay for controlled substances prescription blanks. These are ordered from the state and are issued on a monthly basis to our patients on controlled medications. We do not charge for this service but are permitted to do so. These prescriptions can not be called in or sent in electronically, the Dr. himself has to write out these.
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Post by Patter on Oct 23, 2014 17:58:48 GMT
Our doctor's office is all automated. All charts are on the computer. He charts, sends in prescriptions (except controlled substances), etc., via the web/computer. When I want a refill, I just send him a message online, he sends the prescription in online, and we are good to go. Never a charge. My daughter does have a controlled substance prescrip but again, I request online, he writes it, and I run by and pick it up. No charge. This is a family practitioner's office. If I have questions, he always answers my e-mails in the evening or early in the morning or on the weekends from home. Again, no charge thankfully!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 18:02:01 GMT
Understandable, but I am thankful that our pediatric group does not charge for this.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Oct 23, 2014 18:17:17 GMT
Yea this is the first time they haven't been at a ped office. We left our last office for various reasons. ..so it was a total shock to me..
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Oct 23, 2014 23:27:57 GMT
That is nuts! Ours is all automated too and half the time I am sure they get the approval but the nurse does all the legwork. Also the correspondence most of the time is from the nurse even though the email thru their echart system says it is going to the doctor.
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Post by caro on Oct 23, 2014 23:30:30 GMT
Never heard of this.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Oct 23, 2014 23:32:07 GMT
Yea the rx is all a print out from the computer. All dr does is sign!
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Post by samcro on Oct 23, 2014 23:37:31 GMT
Never have I been charged for the doc writing a script and if I did, I would change offices.
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Post by dnkmmw on Oct 23, 2014 23:51:37 GMT
Last year, I had a serious knee injury and went to the ER. I was treated and it was suggested I see an orthopedic doctor for which I was given a card. I went to see this doctor and he wanted me to take two weeks off from work, which I was fine with. Since I was injured, my employer wouldn't let me come back without a doctor's release. My doctor wanted $60 to fill out an FMLA form. I promptly saw a different doctor.
Dawn
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Post by nightnurse on Oct 24, 2014 0:18:14 GMT
Yea the rx is all a print out from the computer. All dr does is sign! The doctor does more than sign-confirm the drug, the dosage, that there are no med interactions, no changes in health history, still appropriate for the diagnosis, etc. And even if the nurse is the one printing out the drug and emailing it, she's still getting paid for her time. That money has to come from somewhere. I know health care costs are ridiculously high and out of control, but the solution isn't to expect health care workers to volunteer their time. I'm in New England and we've always had access to excellent health care services but in the past decade or so, we are losing primary care providers. We are asking PCPs to provide more and more services for less and less money. Their overhead is going up (paying their office staff, continuing education costs, malpractice, supplies) but their profits are going down. I work in long term care and rehab. The MOST money I can get reimbursed for a visit with a patient is $65. If that visit takes me two hours, if I adjust 15 meds, if I order and review labs, assess ten different chronic conditions, doesn't matter, all I get is $65 (actually, the facility gets it, they pay me an hourly wage and then they collect the money from insurance for my patient visits). A regular visit is more like $40. Our patients are sicker, with more involved treatments, and instead of going up, our reimbursements are going down. 15 years ago, for a patient in a facility, we didn't need paper scrips-doctor would tell nurse his order, she'd tell the pharmacy, drugs would be delivered. Now we need a paper scrip signed by me or one of the MDs, and there are no refills allowed on many of the narcs, so every month I spend at least two hours writing and faxing scrips, time my employer still pays me for but cannot get reimbursed for. The hour I spent last week explaining things to a family member? Again, I still get paid, my employer is not getting reimbursed for that hour. Answering phone calls and consulting with specialists? It has to be over a certain time per patient to charge. So if it's 20 minutes for one patient, 10 for three others and five for another, that's time we don't get paid for. And I, and every other provider I know, want to spend time answering questions and explaining things to patients, but when the reimbursement's not there, those good docs who are spending that uncompensated time find they are either working all the time or losing money.
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Post by akathy on Oct 24, 2014 0:21:15 GMT
That is nuts! Ours is all automated too and half the time I am sure they get the approval but the nurse does all the legwork. Also the correspondence most of the time is from the nurse even though the email thru their echart system says it is going to the doctor. But it's the doctor who's on the hook if his nurse screws up.
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Post by akathy on Oct 24, 2014 0:24:45 GMT
Yea the rx is all a print out from the computer. All dr does is sign! The doctor does more than sign-confirm the drug, the dosage, that there are no med interactions, no changes in health history, still appropriate for the diagnosis, etc. And even if the nurse is the one printing out the drug and emailing it, she's still getting paid for her time. That money has to come from somewhere. I know health care costs are ridiculously high and out of control, but the solution isn't to expect health care workers to volunteer their time. I'm in New England and we've always had access to excellent health care services but in the past decade or so, we are losing primary care providers. We are asking PCPs to provide more and more services for less and less money. Their overhead is going up (paying their office staff, continuing education costs, malpractice, supplies) but their profits are going down. I work in long term care and rehab. The MOST money I can get reimbursed for a visit with a patient is $65. If that visit takes me two hours, if I adjust 15 meds, if I order and review labs, assess ten different chronic conditions, doesn't matter, all I get is $65 (actually, the facility gets it, they pay me an hourly wage and then they collect the money from insurance for my patient visits). A regular visit is more like $40. Our patients are sicker, with more involved treatments, and instead of going up, our reimbursements are going down. 15 years ago, for a patient in a facility, we didn't need paper scrips-doctor would tell nurse his order, she'd tell the pharmacy, drugs would be delivered. Now we need a paper scrip signed by me or one of the MDs, and there are no refills allowed on many of the narcs, so every month I spend at least two hours writing and faxing scrips, time my employer still pays me for but cannot get reimbursed for. The hour I spent last week explaining things to a family member? Again, I still get paid, my employer is not getting reimbursed for that hour. Answering phone calls and consulting with specialists? It has to be over a certain time per patient to charge. So if it's 20 minutes for one patient, 10 for three others and five for another, that's time we don't get paid for. And I, and every other provider I know, want to spend time answering questions and explaining things to patients, but when the reimbursement's not there, those good docs who are spending that uncompensated time find they are either working all the time or losing money. ![:yeahthat:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/yrGoHMAelQz8f2Qt0sjb.jpg)
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Post by fwscrapper on Oct 24, 2014 3:47:18 GMT
I would gladly pay $10. My son takes an RX that is controlled. HIs psychiatrist won't even write an RX without a visit...which cost us $89 a pop.
When I went on FMLA for my 1st baby 10 years ago, my OB charged me $35 to fill out the paperwork.
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Post by hannahruth on Oct 24, 2014 13:09:03 GMT
Doctors in Australia often charge for a script.
It does take their time, they have to check your records etc. It helps to prevent people from doctor shopping just to get scripts without a consultation. It assists in people not getting prescriptions to sell on the drugs.
I certainly don't have an issue with it.
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Post by nightnurse on Oct 24, 2014 13:11:10 GMT
I would gladly pay $10. My son takes an RX that is controlled. HIs psychiatrist won't even write an RX without a visit...which cost us $89 a pop. In some states, the visit is mandated by law. There are only a certain amount of refills allowed without a visit to confirm the drug is still necessary. Other times, the mandate comes from insurance. I get daily notices from insurance companies asking me to justify prescriptions. "Because the patient has been on it a long time" isn't a good enough reason. Drives me crazy that some of the nurses I work with will ask me to increase an antipsychotic or antianxiety med but give me no documentation about behaviors to back that up. I have to have dates, times, specific reasons. We don't like it anymore than the patients but gone are the days when the doctor's word was law. While in some ways that's great, it can also be really frustrating when I am explaining to someone with no medical training why I need this drug and only this drug.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Oct 24, 2014 13:17:01 GMT
We have to be seen every 3 months for his meds.
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Post by LAM88 on Oct 24, 2014 13:25:26 GMT
Last year, I had a serious knee injury and went to the ER. I was treated and it was suggested I see an orthopedic doctor for which I was given a card. I went to see this doctor and he wanted me to take two weeks off from work, which I was fine with. Since I was injured, my employer wouldn't let me come back without a doctor's release. My doctor wanted $60 to fill out an FMLA form. I promptly saw a different doctor. Dawn Why would you expect him to fill out government paperwork for free? Everyone one wants top-notch healthcare but no one seems willing to pay for it.
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 24, 2014 13:33:21 GMT
There is a sign in my doctor's office that states that prescriptions without a visit will incur a charge (though I think it's 20 bucks). This also goes for doctor's notes and a couple other services.
Makes sense to me.
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Post by sillyrabbit on Oct 24, 2014 13:33:52 GMT
My physician will not write a script for a controlled substance without an office visit. So $10 would be great for us.
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Post by bianca42 on Oct 24, 2014 13:57:36 GMT
My doctor's office has a sign saying that they charge to fill out forms. I don't know if they charge for controlled substance prescriptions, but I do know that we aren't allowed to call for refills of maintenance meds. If your prescription runs out, the pharmacy has to request the refill.
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Post by corinne11 on Oct 24, 2014 23:44:52 GMT
Doctors in Australia often charge for a script. It does take their time, they have to check your records etc. It helps to prevent people from doctor shopping just to get scripts without a consultation. It assists in people not getting prescriptions to sell on the drugs. I certainly don't have an issue with it. I take several medications and when the repeats run out I need to make an appointment to see my doctor. It is usually a very quick visit but gives him a chance to just check that everything is still going fine, whether I need further referrals etc. Because I have several repeats this really only happens a few times each year. I am pretty sure we HAVE to make an appointment, I've never been able to ring and order a script to pick up.
I'd be happy with $10. I currently pay about $60 for a doctor's visit and get refunded $38 from our Medicare system, so it costs me $22 per visit.
Corinne
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Post by christine58 on Oct 24, 2014 23:54:21 GMT
Our pediatrician's office does not charge for this. Although, I can see why one might as it does take time for the doctor to write the prescriptions. Do they even write them anymore unless a controlled substance? I haven't gotten a paper rx in many years.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Oct 25, 2014 3:56:26 GMT
Understandable, but I am thankful that our pediatric group does not charge for this. Ditto.
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Post by utmr on Oct 25, 2014 12:26:23 GMT
We have one dr that charges $12 for an Rx without an office visit. But she is on our insurance and the other dr was not. So it's an annoyance but still cheaper in the long run.
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