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Post by padresfan619 on Apr 14, 2020 1:39:55 GMT
I truly think people need to settle in and get used to the fact that this will not be “over” until the holidays. Thank your fellow neighbors and citizens who refuse to shelter in place.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 14, 2020 1:52:10 GMT
Right now in my state they have already cancelled all summer activities, beaches, lakes, pools til Sept I believe. Really? I had heard that beaches in the cities were closed but I wasn’t aware that everything statewide was closed.
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Post by used2scrap on Apr 14, 2020 1:52:43 GMT
I truly think people need to settle in and get used to the fact that this will not be “over” until the holidays. Thank your fellow neighbors and citizens who refuse to shelter in place. Tired of hearing people want “Hope” instead of “reality”. But I’m realizing I’m a minority who prefers reality to false hope that delays the inevitable hurt. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Like cilantro or the steipe dress or the shoes, we see it different.
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Post by cannes on Apr 14, 2020 1:55:16 GMT
I just had a thought. The County Fair is a really big deal in my area and I'm sure kids are getting their baby animals to raise and show now. The fair is the last week of August, right before school starts. Ours is one of the last ones of the summer. I wonder if those are off the table? We raise livestock for our County Fair. We are supposed to take animals down tomorrow, but Fair got cancelled about a month ago. I know of more than a few County Fairs that have been cancelled across the country. Most of the kids should have their animals already for an August fair. Cattle are usually about a year old at Fairs, lambs and goat are about 8 months old and pigs are about 6.5 months old.
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Post by padresfan619 on Apr 14, 2020 1:56:51 GMT
I truly think people need to settle in and get used to the fact that this will not be “over” until the holidays. Thank your fellow neighbors and citizens who refuse to shelter in place. Tired of hearing people want “Hope” instead of “reality”. But I’m realizing I’m a minority who prefers reality to false hope that delays the inevitable hurt. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Like cilantro or the steipe dress or the shoes, we see it different. I am the same way. Every week we get news that the shelter in place order is in effect for another week. One week at a time as to not freak people out too much to cause another hoarding situation. Hunker down everyone - we are in for the long haul.
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Post by breetheflea on Apr 14, 2020 2:03:47 GMT
Right now in my state they have already cancelled all summer activities, beaches, lakes, pools til Sept I believe. Really? I had heard that beaches in the cities were closed but I wasn’t aware that everything statewide was closed. In Washington at least, no fishing, campgrounds, hiking, boating, swimming, playgrounds, beaches...you can't go and sit in your car and watch the ocean, the parking lots are closed, they've even closed all the rest stops. Except walking around your own neighborhood there isn't anywhere to go Although I heard our county fair (beginning of August) was still happening...
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Post by Scrapper100 on Apr 14, 2020 2:16:30 GMT
Really? I had heard that beaches in the cities were closed but I wasn’t aware that everything statewide was closed. In Washington at least, no fishing, campgrounds, hiking, boating, swimming, playgrounds, beaches...you can't go and sit in your car and watch the ocean, the parking lots are closed, they've even closed all the rest stops. Except walking around your own neighborhood there isn't anywhere to go Although I heard our county fair (beginning of August) was still happening... Sounds like California everything is closed. I’m sure glad we have a nice backyard at least but it doesn’t replace getting out for a hike or going to the beach or mountains. It’s going to be a long, long summer.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 14, 2020 2:18:14 GMT
I just read that a college in Boston may postpone the fall semester until next January. The unknown is the worst! Hard to plan anything now. Boston University. I'm really scared. My high school senior is just coming to terms with missing all of the spring events. If college is delayed, he's going to be devastated
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Post by muggins on Apr 14, 2020 2:44:12 GMT
An appropriate meme for this thread!
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Post by stampinchick on Apr 14, 2020 2:52:18 GMT
Keep in mind, there was a time not all that long ago that kids didn't have a million options and they survived just fine. I went to camp for the first time when I was 12. I went the following year and then that was it. We didn't have video games, we had one tv that got 4 channels, the VCR wasn't invented yet and if we wanted to talk to somebody on the phone we had do it with the phone hanging on the wall in our dining room. What we did do was PLAY. We were outside all day. It wasn't until I was about 10 that we started to go to the pool about 3 days a week. We "spritzed" with the garden hose. We had a small kiddie pool that we would get out of storage and fill with water so we could splash around in it. We rode our bikes in our driveway and yard over and over and would pretend we were riding to the shore. We had a small tent and would sleep out in the tent several nights during the summer. My 2 cousins and I would play "Brady Bunch" with just the 3 of us - we would each be 3 of the characters. We needed to use our imaginations.
Create tents with blankets in the living room and camp out at home. Save your Amazon boxes and have the kids paint them and create a castle or a car out of them. Catch lightning bugs. Have picnics in the back yard. Teach the kids how to sew or make small home repairs. Give them an old radio and tell them to take it apart to see how it works. Get out old clothes and have dress up times. Have them write a play and perform it. Have them write songs and sing them. Have them invent their own sport. Play kick the can in the yard, learn how to bake cookies or learn to sew.
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Post by katlady on Apr 14, 2020 2:52:30 GMT
Lot of us are still waiting for the official word that Comic Con will be cancelled! We know it is going to happen. Just announce it already instead of leaving us hanging.
ETA - Also checked and our County Fair hasn't been cancelled yet either. That is in June.
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Post by kels99 on Apr 14, 2020 2:56:38 GMT
Girl Scouts of Western WA has cancelled all GS activities through the end of August. Including overnight camp, day camp, in-person troop meetings, classes, workshops, travel. Everything.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 14, 2020 3:10:16 GMT
The experts can’t even determine if a person is truly immune once they recover from it, so until they know that for sure I wouldn’t want to start mixing and mingling with big groups of people anyway.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Apr 14, 2020 3:11:19 GMT
Even if certain events and locations are open, would you go? Would you let your kids go? I know my answer is "Hell no!" I don't have children anymore, but I know my daughter won't let my GD out of their house and yard until she is SAFE. And yes, this probably does mean until there is a vaccine. Yes, it's awful to think of a summer with no beaches, no summer camps, no trips to Disney World, no cruises, no play dates. But what's worse? This or the alternative? Do you really want a graduation ceremony in, say, early June, followed by hundreds of grads and their families getting Covid? Because this is almost certainly what would happen. I worry, living in Florida where the numbers of illnesses and deaths are surprisingly low at present, what will happen in a month or two. Will the Snowbirds start arriving? Will this cause a sudden massive rise in cases here? I can imagine that. I am already figuring I won't be able to leave the house (hubby does the shopping, I only have telemedicine doctor visits) until sometime next year. Because I don't want to get Covid and I'll do ANYTHING I can to prevent that. And if that means 18 months in my house, then thank god we have a pool, so at least we can enjoy the summer sunshine. Start prepping for a long haul. Start thinking that way. Then if it turns out things change, and we get to be out and about sooner, great. Yes, unfortunately this is the truth. Our lives will not be the same until majority get the disease or vaccine. One thing to consider this virus can leave lasting health affects too.
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Post by smcast on Apr 14, 2020 3:44:37 GMT
I just read that a college in Boston may postpone the fall semester until next January. The unknown is the worst! Hard to plan anything now. Boston University. I'm really scared. My high school senior is just coming to terms with missing all of the spring events. If college is delayed, he's going to be devastated I know! So many milestones taken away. Crazy times. Hopefully we can wrap some of the surges up by then.
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Post by FurryP on Apr 14, 2020 6:20:34 GMT
Keep in mind, there was a time not all that long ago that kids didn't have a million options and they survived just fine. Imagine that. How ever did they manage?
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Post by jlynnbarth on Apr 14, 2020 7:13:14 GMT
Keep in mind, there was a time not all that long ago that kids didn't have a million options and they survived just fine. I went to camp for the first time when I was 12. I went the following year and then that was it. We didn't have video games, we had one tv that got 4 channels, the VCR wasn't invented yet and if we wanted to talk to somebody on the phone we had do it with the phone hanging on the wall in our dining room. What we did do was PLAY. We were outside all day. It wasn't until I was about 10 that we started to go to the pool about 3 days a week. We "spritzed" with the garden hose. We had a small kiddie pool that we would get out of storage and fill with water so we could splash around in it. We rode our bikes in our driveway and yard over and over and would pretend we were riding to the shore. We had a small tent and would sleep out in the tent several nights during the summer. My 2 cousins and I would play "Brady Bunch" with just the 3 of us - we would each be 3 of the characters. We needed to use our imaginations. Create tents with blankets in the living room and camp out at home. Save your Amazon boxes and have the kids paint them and create a castle or a car out of them. Catch lightning bugs. Have picnics in the back yard. Teach the kids how to sew or make small home repairs. Give them an old radio and tell them to take it apart to see how it works. Get out old clothes and have dress up times. Have them write a play and perform it. Have them write songs and sing them. Have them invent their own sport. Play kick the can in the yard, learn how to bake cookies or learn to sew. So much this!!!! It’s time to teach the children how to be children again. Don’t get me wrong, I understand parents are working from home and it’s hard to do all the things, but so many of the things listed above are things that only need a little nudge or help from mom and dad to get started and then let them let their imaginations go. We wonder why some kids love camp??? Is it because there is zero screen time and they are busy being creative and using their brains in a whole different way? I have always believed that. We had so much fun as kids (just my little sister and I). We played school and house and did our grocery shopping from the kitchen pantry. We cut up paper into money and paid the “cashier” who checked us out. We made up “shows” with singing and dancing and told stupid jokes to our parents in the evening after dinner. We played in the sprinklers and rode our bikes. We played two square and it was so awesome when mom and dad played with us after work and we could actually play four square. DH and I played wifffle ball with our kids or horse at the basketball net. At Grandma’s House my sister and I would put on grandma’s clothes and shoes and do runway shows for her. We always had forts in the living room and watched movies and had popcorn. My kids did too. Grandma had a huge pine tree in the front yard and she’d set the sprinkler On a trickle on a high branch inside the tree and we’d play rainforest under it with our barbies. What is rain forest? I have no idea, but it was fun! Lol We planted vegetables from seeds and had to take care of it. We were so proud of our salad garden! Lettuce, tomatoes, radish, green onion, carrots. Those were the best tasting salads we’ve ever had because we grew them. There are so many things kids can do. It’s like we’ve all forgotten or have become so busy we feel like we don’t have time. This summer we do have time! No sports, no camps, no dance class. There’s time! That 30 mins going back and forth to the activities that we won’t be doing, is 30 mins we can play with our kids and remember what it was like when we were kids before “screens”. My kids are 25 and 27. We didn’t have screens and phones etc... until they were in middle school so I know most everyone here has some good old fashioned memories of things they did before then. This is our chance! This one summer to really enjoy our families! Gosh I wish I had some little kids in my life right now! We’d have so much fun!
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Post by josie29 on Apr 14, 2020 7:17:34 GMT
I was listening to one of our press conferences yesterday (Australia) and they said "be prepared for a domestic Christmas" - meaning don't plan to travel overseas because in all likelihood the overseas travel will still be banned. And that is 8 months away. This is long term, and even when restrictions are eased - the virus will still be there and people will still be getting sick and dying. The reason for all of these restrictions right now isn't so the virus will go away, it's simply to try to stop too many people getting sick too fast and overwhelming the health system. The virus isn't going anywhere and as soon as restrictions are eased, then pockets of infections are going to keep occurring. The plan is that the amount of people critically unwell at any one time remains manageable and there are enough hospital beds/ventilators and staff to treat them. Until I've either had it and recovered or been vaccinated - no matter what the restrictions are, no way will I be going to any 'crowd' events like concerts or festivals or even movie theatres. As a fellow Melbournian *waving from social distancing*, I also won't be going to any 'crowd' events. I usually attend 2 papercraft shows held in August and October (doubt they will go ahead anyway) - but there is no way that I would go. As what happened over the Easter weekend in NW Tasmania with a sudden cluster of cases, even with our stringent measure and the closing of most of our State borders, it only takes one person to start a massive chain reaction - and once you get community transmission to any extent, the virus is uncontrollable. This is for the long haul people - a verrrry long haul - and we will adapt and find new ways of doing things.
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Post by roberta on Apr 14, 2020 7:28:45 GMT
I think it is going to be a looooooooooong summer.
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Post by stittsygirl on Apr 14, 2020 7:32:09 GMT
I think it is going to be a looooooooooong summer. I think 2020 in general will feel like an eternity .
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 14, 2020 12:23:15 GMT
I just had a thought. The County Fair is a really big deal in my area and I'm sure kids are getting their baby animals to raise and show now. The fair is the last week of August, right before school starts. Ours is one of the last ones of the summer. I wonder if those are off the table? We raise livestock for our County Fair. We are supposed to take animals down tomorrow, but Fair got cancelled about a month ago. I know of more than a few County Fairs that have been cancelled across the country. Most of the kids should have their animals already for an August fair. Cattle are usually about a year old at Fairs, lambs and goat are about 8 months old and pigs are about 6.5 months old. Ours hasn’t been officially cancelled but no meetings or planning has been able to occur so I don’t see how it’s going to happen. We didn’t buy pigs that my youngest was planning on taking because we don’t expect the fair to occur. I’m thankful my kids haven’t been interested in the bigger animals that we would have already had to buy before this started.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Apr 14, 2020 13:33:25 GMT
Keep in mind, there was a time not all that long ago that kids didn't have a million options and they survived just fine. I went to camp for the first time when I was 12. I went the following year and then that was it. We didn't have video games, we had one tv that got 4 channels, the VCR wasn't invented yet and if we wanted to talk to somebody on the phone we had do it with the phone hanging on the wall in our dining room. What we did do was PLAY. We were outside all day. It wasn't until I was about 10 that we started to go to the pool about 3 days a week. We "spritzed" with the garden hose. We had a small kiddie pool that we would get out of storage and fill with water so we could splash around in it. We rode our bikes in our driveway and yard over and over and would pretend we were riding to the shore. We had a small tent and would sleep out in the tent several nights during the summer. My 2 cousins and I would play "Brady Bunch" with just the 3 of us - we would each be 3 of the characters. We needed to use our imaginations. Create tents with blankets in the living room and camp out at home. Save your Amazon boxes and have the kids paint them and create a castle or a car out of them. Catch lightning bugs. Have picnics in the back yard. Teach the kids how to sew or make small home repairs. Give them an old radio and tell them to take it apart to see how it works. Get out old clothes and have dress up times. Have them write a play and perform it. Have them write songs and sing them. Have them invent their own sport. Play kick the can in the yard, learn how to bake cookies or learn to sew. I get this, I really do, but also as a kid I used to be able to walk to my cousins house and play there all day, nope can't do that anymore. We used to be able to go to the park to play with friends, nope can't do that anymore. We used to go camping in a tent, in some areas, nope can't do that anymore. DH used to leave his house in the morning and hang out with the neighborhood kids all day, nope can't do that. So you can say kids have so many options, but those have been taken away and there are options I had as a child that are also gone. I said this before and I will say it again, we need to find a balance between public safety and the economy. I want to add to that the mental health of many people, the mental health of our nation. What scares me more and more is the mental health of so many that may now feel trapped. History has shown the higher the unemployment rate the higher the suicide rate. I can see domestic violence increasing, abuse cases increasing and there will be no one seeing the signs because everyone is sheltering at home. You can say everyone just stay home, but there are some major concerns I have about that also. There is no perfect answer and no matter what is decided people will second guess everything done. Did we do enough, did we do too much, what else could we have done, we didn't need to do that etc. That you can't drive to a parking lot by a beach and watch the water, from your car is crazy, not everyone can sit home all day everyday until who knows when. Life will need to more forward at some point.
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Post by worldwanderer75 on Apr 14, 2020 13:47:07 GMT
I thought we'd be out of this by the end of June. But my plane tickets to fly home to the USA at the beginning of July were just cancelled by KLM. My daughter had a 10 day sleep away camp for late July that was cancelled a couple weeks ago. And I'm a grad student who was supposed to be in an intensive summer clinic program and that was cancelled. I'm so sad about it all.
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Post by zella on Apr 14, 2020 14:06:53 GMT
I think it is going to be a looooooooooong summer. I think 2020 in general will feel like an eternity . Or at least an entire decade. Is it really only mid April? Feels like 2020 should be wrapping up by now.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 14, 2020 14:14:12 GMT
My 2 cousins and I would play "Brady Bunch" with just the 3 of us - we would each be 3 of the characters. This is the cutest thing ever!
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Post by zella on Apr 14, 2020 14:34:27 GMT
Re: the economy. I think there's one important thing to remember. There will BE no economy if we are all sick, hospitalized, quarantined or dead.That for me is why the health aspect must come first. I do feel terrible for people trapped in toxic living situations. I myself am one who struggles with depression and anxiety, but Covid gives me more anxiety than being home. That won't be true for everyone obviously. I just looked up the number of Americans considered high risk re: Covid. The answer was 37% of the population, but this didn't include anyone currently in treatment for cancer, or anyone with a huge assortment of disease states that do indeed increase risk, so this percentage is artificially low. We aren't a particularly healthy nation, sadly.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 14, 2020 14:36:51 GMT
I get nostalgic about what summer can be for kids every summer in normal times, even moreso now. My daughter, who is 18 now, had the kinds of summers mentioned above without electronics (we didn’t even watch television) and full of hours of imagination and play. My daughter is an only child with cousins four hours away. She spent the summer with lots of friends or with me, a SAHM. And when she wasn’t with others, she was a boss at being by herself and not being bored alone.
However, if she were a young child today, with me working from home, not having contact with any other people (friends, family, no siblings), the idyllic summer would look quite different. I can’t even imagine it. And there are still several layers of privilege that would make even that seem like a walk in the park - parents who are still employed, large house, outdoor space, plenty of food and art supplies and books and gardening tools, and hell, a garden hose.
So many kids don’t have any of that in the best of summers. And it breaks my heart what some of them are facing. While I would love to say that the solution is just to teach kids how to be kids again, like it was for me or even my daughter as children, that is just not possible for so many families not in the position to do so.
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Post by bianca42 on Apr 14, 2020 14:39:38 GMT
My kids are getting lots of screen time. But (no judgement please) my kids never learned how to ride bikes. My 10 year old decided that he is going to teach himself. After watching him try with a bike that was too small, we ordered a correct sized bike from Amazon. Within 10 minutes, he was riding. So, it's probably 50% screen time and 50% riding a bike around and around our driveway.
My kids are signed up for summer day camp through the YMCA starting at the end of June. I'm not sure what to expect.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Apr 14, 2020 14:58:12 GMT
I'm sorry, I think we're in this for the long haul.
Last weekend we had to pay the balance on the vacation we booked last July for this June. DH was asking me to select plane seats and I mentioned that this was a stupid hoop we had to jump through because it would all be cancelled anyway. He is still clinging to the last hope that it won't be. Covid19 has been known about for 4 months and it has turned the planet upside down. It's not going to go away in the next 2 months, or 4, or 6. And if there is such a thing as the tourist industry by next summer, it will cost more than most of us can afford. It's going to be Costa del Mi Casa for a looooong time to come.
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Post by sunshine on Apr 14, 2020 15:34:16 GMT
I am already figuring I won't be able to leave the house ( hubby does the shopping, I only have telemedicine doctor visits) until sometime next year. Because I don't want to get Covid and I'll do ANYTHING I can to prevent that. And if that means 18 months in my house, then thank god we have a pool, so at least we can enjoy the summer sunshine. Start prepping for a long haul. Start thinking that way. Then if it turns out things change, and we get to be out and about sooner, great. I have to ask, is it ok to sacrifice the health and safety of the employees at those grocery (I'm assuming) stores your hubby shops at? How about the pool supply stores, whether brick/mortar or online? Employees have to make, sell and ship the chemicals, all so you can enjoy your summer. It sounds like you have it it covered for the long haul. What about everyone else?
I have been all in on social distancing and quarantining since the beginning. However, yesterday I went to pick up a prescription (which by the way is only the 2nd time I've left my house in a month) and driving thru my neighborhood I saw one house with a lot of work trucks lined up, and they were getting a new driveway poured. First thing I thought was "good for them." Why shouldn't they be allowed to work, outside?
Later I saw on the news the Michigan governor saying people aren't "allowed" to shop for paint, and no garden centers, and I thought why the hell not? People are ordered to stay home, but they can't paint? What about people that need the outside of their houses painted? No? People aren't going to be allowed to plant their own food and vegetables? What the fuck? I suppose people can buy their seeds and plants online, but again, that would still be employees working to pack and ship product.
What about all of the people that have lost their jobs-how exactly are they supposed to live and survive? Barbers, hairdressers, waiters, retail workers, etc., have to survive on unemployment? How? That won't come close to covering rent, mortgages, car payments and on and on and on.
People are going to start loosing their patience, and thinking we're just going to have to stay shut down until who knows when isn't realistic. Start telling people what they can and can't buy, where they can and can't go, and randomly deciding who should work and who shouldn't, is going to get real old for a lot of people.
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