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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 19, 2020 21:29:50 GMT
The article I read said she was bruised and dehydrated - maybe she refused at first but then her family convinced/took her? Does it say how old her kids are? And was her whole family in Utah?
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 19, 2020 21:37:10 GMT
I think it is odd that an experienced hiker wouldn’t have left an itinerary or let someone know where she was going, especially since she was likely in an area where there was no service and she didn’t take her phone. The way it is being reporting is odd, the tip thing was weird to me too. Many of my hiking friends/family dpn't have an itinerary. We just know general area. Depending on conditions, amount of people, ect things change and they hike a different area. But if you are hiking alone don't you let people know where you are hiking? I am not a terribly paranoid person, but if I were hiking by myself from a trailhead that had multiple trails I would sure as heck make sure someone knew which trail I was hiking. Seems like common sense to me. Especially for an experienced hiker. They understand better then anyone how quickly things can go pearshaped. |
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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 19, 2020 21:42:28 GMT
I think when you are prepared to hike all day, in a national park - you do have a specific trail and route you are planning to do. I also find trails in national parks well marked and she would have definitely had a map with her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 1:25:38 GMT
Many of my hiking friends/family dpn't have an itinerary. We just know general area. Depending on conditions, amount of people, ect things change and they hike a different area. But if you are hiking alone don't you let people know where you are hiking? I am not a terribly paranoid person, but if I were hiking by myself from a trailhead that had multiple trails I would sure as heck make sure someone knew which trail I was hiking. Seems like common sense to me. Especially for an experienced hiker. They understand better then anyone how quickly things can go pearshaped. I would but they just say hey going to ---- and I should be home around this date. A few times it was a day or 2 later but they did check in. |
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Post by tincin on Oct 20, 2020 1:30:19 GMT
I knew if I came here I would see I’m not the only one thinking there’s something odd with the story. For me it was her being missing for so long, too dehydrated to open her mouth, but not going immediately to the hospital.
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Post by Zee on Oct 20, 2020 1:37:34 GMT
I think she needed a break. I'm about to follow her.
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 20, 2020 2:59:34 GMT
But if you are hiking alone don't you let people know where you are hiking? I am not a terribly paranoid person, but if I were hiking by myself from a trailhead that had multiple trails I would sure as heck make sure someone knew which trail I was hiking. Seems like common sense to me. Especially for an experienced hiker. They understand better then anyone how quickly things can go pearshaped. I would but they just say hey going to ---- and I should be home around this date. A few times it was a day or 2 later but they did check in. Exactly, but she hadn’t told anyone where she was going that day. The van dropped her off to a site that had several trails. It seems incredibly foolish to me to not let someone know what trail you are hiking and when you should return. Anyone hiking alone should make sure someone knows what trail or where they are hiking. |
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Oct 20, 2020 4:27:32 GMT
I am so happy for her daughter that her mom is safe.
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Post by mimi3566 on Oct 20, 2020 9:23:37 GMT
She also wasn't carrying her phone. I understand that you should be prepared for an emergency, but you'd also think your phone would be the first line of defense. Glad to know I'm not the only one with a raised eyebrow - we'll see if anything more comes from this. Or at the very least she would carry a beacon locator/tracker such as a SPOT or IN REACH device. Most cell phones don't work in the canyons or most of the national parks. Most of the experienced hikers I know all carry one of these devices as an emergency. If she had other emergency gear it would only make sense she would carry one of those also. |
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Post by christine58 on Oct 23, 2020 0:45:32 GMT
Authorities are now questioning her story about only having water to drink from some river. A deputy said if she had drank water from it for two weeks should be dead because of whatever is in it. So yeah it is a little weird of a story
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 0:52:48 GMT
Yup, the 2 stories do not add up.
She was actually pretty close to the entrance, not down in the park far away.
She was in an area where she would have heard searchers calling for her.
The water she was next to (Virgin River) is contaminated and would have made her extremely sick or killed her.
After 2-3 days of no water, she would have died.
She was not in any pain nor sick so that is why she was not taken to the hospital by rescuers.
Hmmm...people think now it was for the Go Fund Me and that they needed money
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Post by Mary_K on Oct 23, 2020 1:18:21 GMT
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Post by SweetieBugs on Oct 23, 2020 1:36:02 GMT
For some reason, this reminds me of the missing jogger from a few years (?) ago. I don't remember her name, but she went missing, then it appeared she staged it? I don't remember that there was an outcome that I heard. Are you thinking of Sherri Papini? Now this case is odd, isn't it? there has never been enough information released to find out what the police know and don't know and what is fact and fiction. This is one case I really wanted to know the truth. |
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Oct 23, 2020 1:41:37 GMT
First, I'm glad she was safe and sound. Stories like this often don't have happy endings.
With that said, even before additional details came out, my husband and I thought this was not a typical SAR story. For many reasons. I absolutely don't think she was "lost" for 12 days. And the details the family have added sound like BS to me just to cover up since this is a national story with a lot of questions.
I doubt we'll hear any more about it. NPS will not add any details and I doubt the family will say anything.
This reminds me of a story that happened in the Grand Canyon last fall. There was a huge push to find someone who was missing. He was eventually found in an odd spot. NPS said he was safe and that was it. Later some additional details came out that he likely went out to commit suicide and changed his mind. In cases like that there won't be much made public. NPS is pretty mum on cases like that.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 23, 2020 2:47:11 GMT
I think one of the worst things that one can endure is to be accused of lying when you are telling the truth. Having said that, this story stinks to high heaven.
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Post by katlady on Oct 23, 2020 20:41:36 GMT
The family spoke up about the hiker. It is still weird. She was fasting for two days before the hike and was going to continue to do so on the hike. She couldn't cry out for help because she was so dehydrated and weak, yet she walked out on her own because of adrenalin. The hiker has since checked in to a mental wellness center. I hope she gets the help she needs. www.yahoo.com/news/family-rescued-zion-national-park-134104536.html |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 20:56:31 GMT
The story keeps changing too.
First she tripped and fell and hit her head.
Now family is saying she was in her hammock swinging and bumped her head on a rock.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 23, 2020 22:04:11 GMT
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Post by georgiapea on Oct 23, 2020 22:22:41 GMT
I wanted to believe her because I instinctively think everyone is noble and always strives to do the right thing. Therefore this story is hard for me because it really seems duplicity is involved.
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Post by tentoes on Oct 24, 2020 2:58:29 GMT
the "tip" may have been someone else that had been on the trail and maybe thought they had seen her-and reported it when they got out and found out a lady was missing.
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Post by psoccer on Oct 24, 2020 3:15:16 GMT
I read in the comments of a Facebook article from Good Morning America and someone posted that she knew the person that found her. They said this "My friend is the one that spotted her and reported it to the rangers. My friend said when she saw her across the canyon and called out to her the lady seen her and hid behind a tree. She said it was super weird and creepy. After watching the news stories something doesn’t add up." Websleuths has more information as well. I am glad she was found, and I hope she gets the help she needs.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 1, 2020 13:36:36 GMT
She’s being investigated for fraud now!!
“A California hiker at the center of search and rescue efforts in Zion National Park after she went missing for 12 days is now being investigated for possible fraud, The Salt Lake Tribune reports. The Washington County Sheriff's Office has initiated a criminal investigation into the case, noting that there are certain details that “do not add up.” Holly Courtier never returned from a hike on October 6, and she was found two weeks later by park rangers. Her family said she had hit her head, was disoriented, and hadn't drank any water at all while missing. Her sister also said that Courtier had been fasting for two days prior to her hike. A GoFundMe account raised close to $12,000 for the 38-year-old who apparently lost her job due to the pandemic. The Washington County Sheriff’s Office said they had doubts about Courtier’s story due to numerous tips that they’d received suggesting the incident may have been a ploy to raise funds. “These inconsistencies raised some questions as to the authenticity of the events as reported to law enforcement,” police Sgt. Darrell Cashin said.”
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Post by mom on Nov 1, 2020 13:48:36 GMT
She’s being investigated for fraud now!! “A California hiker at the center of search and rescue efforts in Zion National Park after she went missing for 12 days is now being investigated for possible fraud, The Salt Lake Tribune reports. The Washington County Sheriff's Office has initiated a criminal investigation into the case, noting that there are certain details that “do not add up.” Holly Courtier never returned from a hike on October 6, and she was found two weeks later by park rangers. Her family said she had hit her head, was disoriented, and hadn't drank any water at all while missing. Her sister also said that Courtier had been fasting for two days prior to her hike. A GoFundMe account raised close to $12,000 for the 38-year-old who apparently lost her job due to the pandemic. The Washington County Sheriff’s Office said they had doubts about Courtier’s story due to numerous tips that they’d received suggesting the incident may have been a ploy to raise funds. “These inconsistencies raised some questions as to the authenticity of the events as reported to law enforcement,” police Sgt. Darrell Cashin said.” I am not surprised, at all. Nothing made sense when she was found. I’m glad that they have publicize that they investigating her - maybe it’ll deter others from pulling the same stunt. |
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