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Post by hop2 on Mar 2, 2021 14:08:04 GMT
if they did, it would be like a monthly cold/flu attack. and can you imagine if someone had to leave a construction job because they leaked through their pants and had to change? or they are at a football game and none of their buddies brought an extra pad? or they can't do a power point presentation because the cramps are so bad? bathroom breaks would be mandated for everyone everywhere.
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Post by malibou on Mar 2, 2021 16:38:48 GMT
I wonder what the breakdown of women who go back to work after maternity leave looks like. I'd be willing to bet that the less time you get off increases the likelihood that you don't come back.
Another thought, some places are getting up to two years of leave. What about women that have a baby every two years, are they on leave for 12 years? Are they still relevant in their job after all the time?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 16:41:18 GMT
What about women that have a baby every two years, are they on leave for 12 years? Are they still relevant in their job after all the time? Let's ask the dozens of advanced economies who have figured this out.
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Post by malibou on Mar 2, 2021 17:21:55 GMT
What about women that have a baby every two years, are they on leave for 12 years? Are they still relevant in their job after all the time? Let's ask the dozens of advanced economies who have figured this out. I'm sorry, your response tells that I wrote in an insensitive manner. I know several woman who had a baby every 2 years. I am by no means suggesting that they shouldn't get ample time for every baby, nor that they are trying to work a system. I am just curious as to how a scenario like that would work out. Would she get re-trained? Is it required that they hold her exact job? What if her job is no longer available due to a change in the business? What if the company goes out of business? I am not asking as a way to say this couldn't work, because it seems to be working fine everywhere, I'm asking because I don't know and the U.S. is doing an abysmal job of getting something like this underway. There are many peas that are not in the U.S. that can hopefully answer this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 17:30:30 GMT
Let's ask the dozens of advanced economies who have figured this out. I'm sorry, your response tells that I wrote in an insensitive manner. I know several woman who had a baby every 2 years. I am by no means suggesting that they shouldn't get ample time for every baby, nor that they are trying to work a system. I am just curious as to how a scenario like that would work out. Would she get re-trained? Is it required that they hold her exact job? What if her job is no longer available due to a change in the business? What if the company goes out of business? I am not asking as a way to say this couldn't work, because it seems to be working fine everywhere, I'm asking because I don't know and the U.S. is doing an abysmal job of getting something like this underway. There are many peas that are not in the U.S. that can hopefully answer this. Totally understand. But my answer stands, "let's ask the dozens of advanced economies..." We don't have to figure this out all on our own. Many countries do a FAR BETTER job than the US on making "family values" more than a catch-phrase.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 2, 2021 17:46:07 GMT
We don't have to figure this out all on our own. Many countries do a FAR BETTER job than the US on making "family values" more than a catch-phrase. kind of an aside to this particular thread, but Stephen Colbert interviewed Priyanka Jonas not long after the election, and he asked her a question to the effect of, 'what did it feel like to see a woman elected to be Vice President?' and her answer was basically, "Welcome to the club, America? " because so many other countries have had women running their countries, and things didn't totally fall apart for THEM. (maybe more of a tangent to this thread- because if men menstruated, lots of things would probably be different here.)
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Post by malibou on Mar 2, 2021 17:52:14 GMT
@zingermack Yes, and that is what I'm trying to do, ask the peas in Australia, UK, Europe, Canada and beyond. I am by no means trying to formulate a viable plan for America. I'm just want to know how it is done elsewhere.
I was lucky when I had my son, the company I worked for gave me 4 months of leave at 1/2 pay, and I had 3 days per month paid for his first year for things like well baby checks, or if I felt like he was feeling off from a vaccine, whatever, no questions asked. I was a construction project manager, so worked with almost exclusively men. My husband worked for the state and had 3 months of sick time accrued that they let him take. It was awesome and I was sad that my friends didn't get what I got.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Mar 2, 2021 20:23:19 GMT
Awesome! I didn’t know it was that much! Can someone link Canada's maternity policy. What is preventing Americans from immigrating there and taking advantage of the benefits? Move over there for 10 years, have your children, and then move back to USA. Or is this something people do? If you don’t have a visa you can’t stay. We do have deportations. We had a problem with anchor babies. Pregnant women coming from Hong Kong get the kid his citizenship and come here when the kid finished school. That was in the 90s.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Mar 2, 2021 20:39:02 GMT
We take in refugees of course but you cannot just arrive and say I’m home. My DDIL needed a permanent residency visa which she got from DS or she would be told her departure date.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 2, 2021 21:27:05 GMT
Awesome! I didn’t know it was that much! Can someone link Canada's maternity policy. What is preventing Americans from immigrating there and taking advantage of the benefits? Move over there for 10 years, have your children, and then move back to USA. Or is this something people do? Canada is not that easy to emigrate to. You can’t just cross the border, rent a dwelling and decide to live there. You have to apply for a visa and go thru the proper steps to get it. Yes they do accept refugees but only ‘referred’ refugees like from the UN or other accepted organization. I’m not sure what exactly would happen if anyone just showed up there & asked for refugee status or assylum. We have enough of our own issues that I’ve never really worried about Canada’s. I only know some of it because DD has looked into going to school there
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Post by hookturnian on Mar 3, 2021 3:42:33 GMT
We don't have to figure this out all on our own. Many countries do a FAR BETTER job than the US on making "family values" more than a catch-phrase. kind of an aside to this particular thread, but Stephen Colbert interviewed Priyanka Jonas not long after the election, and he asked her a question to the effect of, 'what did it feel like to see a woman elected to be Vice President?' and her answer was basically, "Welcome to the club, America? " because so many other countries have had women running their countries, and things didn't totally fall apart for THEM. (maybe more of a tangent to this thread- because if men menstruated, lots of things would probably be different here.) Great answer by Priyanka. Indira Gandhi became Prime Minister of India 55 years ago. Staying with the sub-continent, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have also elected female Prime Ministers. Even Iran has had female Vice-Presidents. Nine of them. The first over 20 years ago.
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Post by sueg on Mar 3, 2021 6:06:33 GMT
I wonder what the breakdown of women who go back to work after maternity leave looks like. I'd be willing to bet that the less time you get off increases the likelihood that you don't come back. Another thought, some places are getting up to two years of leave. What about women that have a baby every two years, are they on leave for 12 years? Are they still relevant in their job after all the time? A couple of things. In many countries that have more than one year of Family Leave, it is to be shared between both parents. For example, in Sweden, there is provision for up to 18 months of leave, BUT it must be shared, with each parent eligible for a maximum of 12 months. So you could do 9 months each, or a 12/6month split, or anything in between. Apart from a few weeks when baby is born, it can't overlap. You can't generally 'stack' your paid Family Leave. Usually, you need to return to work after one baby for a minimum period of time (often 9-12 months) before you are eligible for further paid FL. Some companies will extend your leave unpaid, but again there is usually a time limit for how long they will do this. As for being on leave 'for 12 years' - even at 2 years per baby, that would be 6 babies. That is not something that is very common these days. I'm not sure it would be a major issue for most employers. As to your question about women going back after maternity leave - many of the countries here in Europe that have good family leave provisions also have decent, often government subsidised child care easily available from the time that family leave tend to finish, so it is very common for women to return to work a year after having a baby.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Mar 3, 2021 13:55:54 GMT
This sounds awesome, but how would it be financially feasible? Especially for a small business? How could you afford to pay an employees salary for an entire year that they did not work, plus the salary of their replacement? What happens to the "replacement" once the person on maternity leave comes back? Booted out into the unemployment line? And what happens if the replacement decides to have a child while employed? Find a replacement for the replacement? What about people who work for themselves? Such as a house cleaner? Or an owner of a small landscape company? Can that person take a year off as well? The "replacement" is hired on a one year contract.. they know the conditions going into the job. Yes if they need to hire a replacement for the replacement.. you would do that. the same way as if they quit, or moved, or died. Life doesn't stop because you are hired to cover for maternity leave.
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