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Post by gramasue on Apr 14, 2021 1:00:08 GMT
I'm in Ontario, too, but luckily a couple of hours north of big cities who are having the problems with social distancing. The lockdown restrictions still apply, though. I don't feel we have ever reached a point yet where things feel almost back to normal. We had our first Pfizer vaccines last Saturday and will get the second shots on July 31. It was so simple to book them online and the venue was a short drive away and set up very efficiently. We are both seniors, so were able to get them now, rather than wait.
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Post by tracym1 on Apr 14, 2021 1:02:42 GMT
I think the fact that Michigan is a hot mess is about the variants. They just haven't made it everywhere else yet. Now it is a race between the variants and the vaccinations. It just depends on where your state/county is vaccination-wise when the variants hit.
I don't know that I agree with this. Parts of the state were pretty hard hit. And I happen to live in the county with the highest numbers in the state right now (I think we're hovering around 9% positivity). A lot of folks around here are acting like it is over and have pretty much resumed life. On the positive, we're not doing too bad with vaccinations (after a ROUGH start - Maryland, at one point was dead last in our distribution; now I think we're somewhere in the middle), so maybe we'll be ok.
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Post by katlady on Apr 14, 2021 1:24:34 GMT
Oh oh oh annnndddd Democratic states faired WAY better because we kept out crap together. Is that true? Everything I’ve read shows Florida and California have had pretty much the same Covid results. So why lock down? I have yet to see any evidence that the states with strict lockdowns are doing better than the open states. Texas and Florida seem to be doing about the same if not better than California and New York 🤷🏻♀️ Texas has a positive rate of almost 6%, while California’s rate is almost 2%. How is Texas doing better?
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Post by janniepea on Apr 14, 2021 2:12:48 GMT
And now California’s positivity rate is below 2%, at 1.6% yesterday.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 14, 2021 2:15:44 GMT
Is that true? Everything I’ve read shows Florida and California have had pretty much the same Covid results. So why lock down? I have yet to see any evidence that the states with strict lockdowns are doing better than the open states. Texas and Florida seem to be doing about the same if not better than California and New York 🤷🏻♀️ Texas has a positive rate of almost 6%, while California’s rate is almost 2%. How is Texas doing better? Our deaths per capita numbers are very close: www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/03/11/covid-texas-deaths-california-gavin-newsom/4645019001/
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Post by myshelly on Apr 14, 2021 2:20:37 GMT
Is that true? Everything I’ve read shows Florida and California have had pretty much the same Covid results. So why lock down? I have yet to see any evidence that the states with strict lockdowns are doing better than the open states. Texas and Florida seem to be doing about the same if not better than California and New York 🤷🏻♀️ Texas has a positive rate of almost 6%, while California’s rate is almost 2%. How is Texas doing better? Florida and California have similar per capita rates: www.healthline.com/health-news/why-do-california-and-florida-have-similar-covid-19-case-rates-the-answer-is-complicated
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Post by katlady on Apr 14, 2021 2:44:47 GMT
Per the article you cited, California 134, Texas 153. California is still doing better than Texas.
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Post by katlady on Apr 14, 2021 2:45:49 GMT
I didn't mention Florida. I was talking about Texas. And yes, I know California and Florida are similar in rates.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 14, 2021 2:54:04 GMT
Per the article you cited, California 134, Texas 153. California is still doing better than Texas. I said similar and those numbers are similar. I wouldn’t call California better. There’s no way that minute difference justifies all the many months Texas was open and Cali was locked down.
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Post by katlady on Apr 14, 2021 3:16:37 GMT
OK, I am bowing out. Nobody is "right", no state is "better". People in both states (and in all the states plus the world) are still sick and dying. Why the rates are what they are, who knows. Could be any number of factors. Things will get better, I just don't think we can rush it and declare everything open. Good night.
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Post by SnoopyFan on Apr 14, 2021 4:16:57 GMT
I'm in Ontario, too, but luckily a couple of hours north of big cities who are having the problems with social distancing. The lockdown restrictions still apply, though. I don't feel we have ever reached a point yet where things feel almost back to normal. We had our first Pfizer vaccines last Saturday and will get the second shots on July 31. It was so simple to book them online and the venue was a short drive away and set up very efficiently. We are both seniors, so were able to get them now, rather than wait. Why is there such a long delay between shots in Canada? In the US you get your second Pfizer shot two weeks after the first. For Moderna it's three weeks.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 14, 2021 5:01:41 GMT
What pandemic? DH was running errands in our small Texas town this weekend and he said that maybe 10% of the people were wearing masks, no social distancing, etc. And according to the most recent numbers I’ve seen we have about 30% of the number of cases we had at our peak. But do I trust the numbers? No. For the time period when most of the residents at DH’s work were ill (and dying), those numbers were not reflected in our county numbers. Even if no one else in the entire county was sick the numbers reported were way too low for both the positive cases and the deaths. The statistics that interest me with all this are the excess deaths. Even if a state isn’t reporting Covid deaths as Covid deaths, when people die it is still recorded that they died so that would be a more telling number. Because I’m a curious sort, I Googled it and came up with this page on the CDC website (and I know, there’s some controversy there due to Trump and his ilk messing around with the CDC last year, but I digress): www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htmAccording to their chart, Texas recorded between 52,571 to 62,675 excess deaths since February 1st, 2020. Compare that to my state of MN which recorded 4315 to 6308 excess deaths in that same timeframe. California was slightly higher than Texas and Florida was slightly lower, but those states were the top three with the most excess deaths reported, with New York and Pennsylvania rounding out the top five. So whether people want to fool themselves and pretend some of those tens of thousands of excess deaths weren’t due to Covid, those numbers don’t lie and those people are still just as dead. Personally, I would rather not spend my time pretending everything’s just fine and dandy when those new more potent variants come ripping through putting my kid and all her peers at risk. I am so glad that after days and days of trying to get an appointment, I finally nailed down a time on Thursday for my first shot. Even so, I refuse to let my guard down even one inch until everyone in my family has been fully vaccinated.
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Post by psiluvu on Apr 14, 2021 14:38:21 GMT
I'm in Ontario, too, but luckily a couple of hours north of big cities who are having the problems with social distancing. The lockdown restrictions still apply, though. I don't feel we have ever reached a point yet where things feel almost back to normal. We had our first Pfizer vaccines last Saturday and will get the second shots on July 31. It was so simple to book them online and the venue was a short drive away and set up very efficiently. We are both seniors, so were able to get them now, rather than wait. Why is there such a long delay between shots in Canada? In the US you get your second Pfizer shot two weeks after the first. For Moderna it's three weeks. Because our Prime Minister has done a completely shitty job securing vaccines. In order for more people to get their first doses they have lengthened the time for the second one.
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Post by casii on Apr 14, 2021 15:26:51 GMT
In Maryland where finally vaccines are getting straightened out, but I feel like covid fatigue has rattled some peoples brains because I see a LOT of posts on social media of big groups, no masks, packed in, living it up. I stepped back from leadership in a local club because I would not be pressured into leading large group runs last summer and throughout winter. It was the right thing to do because people who witnesses people in groups panting as they ran past started sending complaint emails to the club and to the city.
I'm anticipating resuming my group runs in June, but I want to see the numbers reflect a level that makes me feel better about it. Plus my fellow coaches and I are instituting rules that might make some decide they'd rather not join.
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Post by amom23 on Apr 14, 2021 21:56:00 GMT
Cases are going back up some in my state, but overall cases and deaths are very low. Everyone 16 and older who wants a vaccine is able to get one. Mask wearing is definitely down in my small community. There is no mask mandate, but lots of businesses still ask you to wear them. There aren't too many things my family isn't comfortable doing while still being careful. We have all been vaccinated and that was the point right?
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Post by littlemama on Apr 15, 2021 0:57:46 GMT
It is as bad or worse than this time last year. MIL went to the ER for very high blood pressure and chest tightening. She waited FIVE hours to be seen. This is not over. Stay home, wear the fucking mask, dont visit with other households. I am so sick of people's selfishness with regard to this whole mess.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Apr 15, 2021 3:12:28 GMT
Oh oh oh annnndddd Democratic states faired WAY better because we kept out crap together. Is that true? Everything I’ve read shows Florida and California have had pretty much the same Covid results. So why lock down? I have yet to see any evidence that the states with strict lockdowns are doing better than the open states. Texas and Florida seem to be doing about the same if not better than California and New York 🤷🏻♀️ I think it’s still due to the population density and such. LA got hammered and there are a lot of multigenerational households. The younger were still going to work as essential workers snd bringing it back home snd spreading it. LA made up a huge portion of the deaths in California. I can’t imagine how much worse it would have been if things were opened up more. As soon as we did the numbers went up and then we locked down again but honestly even with the closures there were a lot that didn’t follow the rules which I would bet was a huge part of the spread. Not all restaurants and businesses followed the rules.
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