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Post by onelasttime on Jun 8, 2021 2:09:30 GMT
51% of West Virginia voters want the filibuster eliminated or reformed.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 8, 2021 18:36:32 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 8, 2021 23:25:30 GMT
Actually he doesn’t understand the importance.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 8, 2021 23:30:53 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 10, 2021 12:41:01 GMT
Maybe this has something do with his actions…
From Reuters…
”The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said it is backing Democratic Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema with campaign contributions as a reward for their opposition to some of President Joe Biden's legislative initiatives and for trying to work with Republicans.
In disclosures made public on Thursday, the Chamber said its political action committee during the first quarter made about $17,000 worth of contributions to the two senators and nine members of the House of Representatives.”
So AOC other then mouthing off that President Biden needs to act, what do you suggest be done about this? Suggestions?
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 10, 2021 13:10:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 13:58:37 GMT
"Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., suggested that Manchin's opposition to the proposal and filibuster reform may really be about measures in the bill aimed at cracking down on lobbyists and dark money. "This is probably just as much a part of Joe Manchin's calculus than anything else," she told MSNBC on Tuesday. "You look at the Koch brothers and you look at organizations like the Heritage Foundation and conservative lobby groups that are doing a victory lap ... over the fact that Manchin refuses to change on the filibuster. And I think that these two things are very closely intertwined." Americans for Prosperity, a group backed by billionaire Republican donor Charles Koch, has explicitly targeted Manchin in its pressure campaign to defeat the legislation even though their own data shows that provisions cracking down on dark money are highly popular, including among Republican voters. Heritage Action, the advocacy arm of the Koch-backed Heritage Foundation, organized a rally earlier this year to pressure Manchin to oppose the bill. Heritage Action has also partnered with the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) to craft model voting-restriction laws for Republican state legislators. A Heritage Action organizer boasted in a video obtained by Mother Jones that the group was behind key provisions of the controversial law recently passed in Georgia. "Joe Manchin isn't moved by leaders who have spent decades organizing for civil rights," Rep. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., tweeted after Manchin that said his position on the For the People Act had not changed after meeting with civil rights leaders on Tuesday. "Manchin isn't moved by the views of his constituents. Manchin isn't moved by GOP voter suppression bills in 43 states. Because Manchin is only moved by corporate donors and their agenda." One group that has been a major cheerleader of Manchin's staunch opposition is the aforementioned U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a powerful pro-business group that also receives Koch money and generally supports Republicans. Manchin's op-ed announcing his opposition echoed the Chamber's talking points in a letter to senators alleging that "partisan" legislation would "undermine" public confidence in democracy, even though Republicans across the country have advanced and enacted overtly partisan bills aimed at restricting ballot access. "When it comes to this 'bipartisan' argument, I gotta tell you, I don't buy it," Ocasio-Cortez said. "Joe Manchin has voted for bills that have not been bipartisan before. Look at the American Rescue Plan. So this is not just about bipartisanship." The op-ed came after the Chamber, which has launched an expensive lobbying effort against the bill, resumed donations to Manchin's campaign for the first time since 2012. Reuters described this flow of corporate dollars as a "reward" for Manchin's opposition to numerous Biden administration's initiatives, as well as his stalwart support for the filibuster, which has almost certainly doomed the For the People Act. "The timing of Sen. Manchin's announcement is highly suspicious," Kyle Herrig, president of the progressive government watchdog group Accountable.US, said in a statement to Salon. "Not long after the Chamber reopened their corporate checkbook for him, he made his opposition to voting rights known. Now millions of Americans may face significant roadblocks when they try to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Once again the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has found a way to stop any progress on voting rights from progressing on Capitol Hill."" www.salon.com/2021/06/10/joe-manchins-highly-suspicious-reversal-on-voting-bill-follows-donation-from-corporate-lobby/What WVirginians want isn't important. It's what the MONEY BOYS want that Joe gives a sh#*$8 about.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 10, 2021 14:45:28 GMT
"Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., suggested that Manchin's opposition to the proposal and filibuster reform may really be about measures in the bill aimed at cracking down on lobbyists and dark money. "This is probably just as much a part of Joe Manchin's calculus than anything else," she told MSNBC on Tuesday. "You look at the Koch brothers and you look at organizations like the Heritage Foundation and conservative lobby groups that are doing a victory lap ... over the fact that Manchin refuses to change on the filibuster. And I think that these two things are very closely intertwined." Americans for Prosperity, a group backed by billionaire Republican donor Charles Koch, has explicitly targeted Manchin in its pressure campaign to defeat the legislation even though their own data shows that provisions cracking down on dark money are highly popular, including among Republican voters. Heritage Action, the advocacy arm of the Koch-backed Heritage Foundation, organized a rally earlier this year to pressure Manchin to oppose the bill. Heritage Action has also partnered with the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) to craft model voting-restriction laws for Republican state legislators. A Heritage Action organizer boasted in a video obtained by Mother Jones that the group was behind key provisions of the controversial law recently passed in Georgia. "Joe Manchin isn't moved by leaders who have spent decades organizing for civil rights," Rep. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., tweeted after Manchin that said his position on the For the People Act had not changed after meeting with civil rights leaders on Tuesday. "Manchin isn't moved by the views of his constituents. Manchin isn't moved by GOP voter suppression bills in 43 states. Because Manchin is only moved by corporate donors and their agenda." One group that has been a major cheerleader of Manchin's staunch opposition is the aforementioned U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a powerful pro-business group that also receives Koch money and generally supports Republicans. Manchin's op-ed announcing his opposition echoed the Chamber's talking points in a letter to senators alleging that "partisan" legislation would "undermine" public confidence in democracy, even though Republicans across the country have advanced and enacted overtly partisan bills aimed at restricting ballot access. "When it comes to this 'bipartisan' argument, I gotta tell you, I don't buy it," Ocasio-Cortez said. "Joe Manchin has voted for bills that have not been bipartisan before. Look at the American Rescue Plan. So this is not just about bipartisanship." The op-ed came after the Chamber, which has launched an expensive lobbying effort against the bill, resumed donations to Manchin's campaign for the first time since 2012. Reuters described this flow of corporate dollars as a "reward" for Manchin's opposition to numerous Biden administration's initiatives, as well as his stalwart support for the filibuster, which has almost certainly doomed the For the People Act. "The timing of Sen. Manchin's announcement is highly suspicious," Kyle Herrig, president of the progressive government watchdog group Accountable.US, said in a statement to Salon. "Not long after the Chamber reopened their corporate checkbook for him, he made his opposition to voting rights known. Now millions of Americans may face significant roadblocks when they try to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Once again the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has found a way to stop any progress on voting rights from progressing on Capitol Hill."" www.salon.com/2021/06/10/joe-manchins-highly-suspicious-reversal-on-voting-bill-follows-donation-from-corporate-lobby/What WVirginians want isn't important. It's what the MONEY BOYS want that Joe gives a sh#*$8 about. Folks can whine all they want about money in politics but that does not solve the problem of today and the current roadblock to getting things done. Today,. So what is the solution to resolve the problem the Democrats are facing today? This is aimed at AOC because she is mouthing off about the problem but not providing any solutions. Stating the obvious without a solution is not helpful.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 10, 2021 16:39:52 GMT
One last thing about AOC and dark money.
Folks like to blame “dark money” for a lot of the problems with politicians, government and what ails this country.
But last time I checked the surviving Koch Brother only gets one vote like the rest of us no matter how much money he has and how much influence he has over idiots like Manchin.
One vote. That’s it.
The problem is the voters and not holding their elected officials accountable at the ballot box. Elected officials will continue this destructive way, like the Republicans, because they know they will be re-elected. And until they are taught a lesson by kicking their collective asses out of a job they will continue down this destructive path.
I’m just wondering when the voters are going to put the brakes on this destructive path this country is on.
First thing voters need to do is show up for every election. There was excitement because 68-70% of eligible voters voted in the 2020 election. But I want to know where was the other 30%.
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 10, 2021 17:34:44 GMT
One last thing about AOC and dark money. Folks like to blame “dark money” for a lot of the problems with politicians, government and what ails this country. But last time I checked the surviving Koch Brother only gets one vote like the rest of us no matter how much money he has and how much influence he has over idiots like Manchin. One vote. That’s it. The problem is the voters and not holding their elected officials accountable at the ballot box. Elected officials will continue this destructive way, like the Republicans, because they know they will be re-elected. And until they are taught a lesson by kicking their collective asses out of a job they will continue down this destructive path. I’m just wondering when the voters are going to put the brakes on this destructive path this country is on. First thing voters need to do is show up for every election. There was excitement because 68-70% of eligible voters voted in the 2020 election. But I want to know where was the other 30%. Sometimes I don’t know if you’re serious. Do you not have a full understanding of how powerful dark money is? It’s not about a megarich person like Koch voting at the booth with his one vote. It’s about their money poured into PACs and superPACs of candidates/incumbents, providing them with outsized influence on policy-making by legislators. Why do you think Dems have been calling for Citizens United to be overturned since 2010? Why do you think this is included in the For the People Act?
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 12, 2021 15:05:51 GMT
Hey Manchin ⬇️
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 14, 2021 18:46:44 GMT
Today the Poor People’s Campaign is hold a “Moral March on Manchin - Stop the filibuster “ in Charleston, WV. link
Just what a Democratic Politician doesn’t need is a gathering of poor people protesting against his or hers actions. You expect this sort of thing happening to Republicans, not Democrats.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jun 14, 2021 19:30:07 GMT
I was born and raised in WV, moved away for many years, and returned 9 years ago. I fully expect to retire here and spend the last years of my life. I have no great love for Joe Manchin, but I do understand the politics of this state fairly well. This article sums up Manchin's position pretty well. I hear progressives who rail against him and threaten to primary him in 2024. That's lunacy if you want to hold that seat for Democrats. If you primary Manchin and win, you will replace him with a Republican. There is no other Democrat in the entire state who would be able to win a state-wide election right now. Our aging population gets more Republican every year as our young people move away for better jobs, and that trend is not going to be reversed by 2024. Joe Manchin is playing a role for Democrats now that Mitch McConnell has been playing for Republicans for years: protecting the members of the party that don't want to go on record on some issues because it makes their re-election more difficult. Mitch is bulletproof in Kentucky. He has helped a lot of people behind the scenes as an incumbent, and those people are loyal, even when Mitch votes against their own interest. He knows he is going to be re-elected as soon as he files for the next election. By refusing to bring legislation up for a vote when Republicans had control, he was able to give cover to those Republican senators in purple states that didn't want to be forced into voting on the record. Manchin is doing the same thing for Democrats in those purple states who don't want to go on record for some of the progressive causes that might go a little too far for their constituents. If Manchin wants to make sure he gets re-elected, all he has to do is declare himself a Republican in time to run in the Republican primary for 2024. The fact that he hasn't done that yet should get him some grace right now, because without him, Democrats lose everything. No, they can't pass anything requiring 60 votes right now (unless they can convince some Republicans to join them, which isn't likely on most policy issues). However, with a simple majority, Democrats have the edge on budget reconciliation, which is HUGE and only requires 51 votes. link They also have the power to confirm appointments. Democrats will possibly lose a seat in GA in 2022, meaning they would have to win another one that year to stay in the majority. We need to get a bunch of older liberal judges to retire now and get their replacements approved before we have Biden stuck with a Republican Senate (and possible Republican House).
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 15, 2021 14:08:29 GMT
They are planning non-violent sitins at Manchin's office. One recent poll found that more than two-thirds of West Virginia voters support the For the People Act, which would counter hundreds of Republican-authored voter suppression bills that are making their way through state legislatures across the nation. By filibustering, he's blocking, he's blocking the things that his state needs. He's standing against his own state. They didn't send him there for that," continued Barber, the co-chair of the Poor People's Campaign. "Why would a senator from West Virginia have his office in the lotto building? Maybe because he's gambling with people's healthcare, he's gambling with people's living wages, he's gambling with people's voting rights." www.rawstory.com/west-virginians-are-ready-for-non-violent-sit-ins-against-manchin-for-abetting-gop-voter-suppression-activist/
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 19, 2021 17:38:15 GMT
Hey Joe, see this….
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 22, 2021 18:47:56 GMT
Some movement…
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 22, 2021 18:49:53 GMT
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Post by spottiedottie on Jun 22, 2021 19:17:54 GMT
51% of West Virginia voters want the filibuster eliminated or reformed. This is incorrect. 11% want elimination and 32% want it reformed. That's 43% total. 51% don't want it changed or don't care.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 22, 2021 20:26:01 GMT
51% of West Virginia voters want the filibuster eliminated or reformed. This is incorrect. 11% want elimination and 32% want it reformed. That's 43% total. 51% don't want it changed or don't care. To get the 51% shown on the graphic they totaled all the greens. Which means 51% either want it removed, don’t care or changed vs 43% no changes. And I don’t know how the missing 6% are. So it’s 51% want it removed, changed or don’t care vs a solid 43% who want it to stay as it and who knows what the missing 6% want.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 22, 2021 21:08:29 GMT
Which means nothing is going to get done.
Seriously the filibuster has to go. Until it does the Federal Government in terms of getting things done is a joke.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 1, 2021 15:55:34 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 2, 2021 19:23:58 GMT
What an asshole…
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 13, 2021 19:01:50 GMT
Joe Manchin made the rounds on the Sunday talk shows. The more he talks the more I dislike the man… From CNN…. link“Dana Bash asked Joe Manchin 7 times how much the budget bill should cost. He never answered.” CNN)Here's what Joe Manchin knows: There's no way, no how, that he is voting for the proposed $3.5 trillion spending bill being pushed by Senate Democrats. Here's what Joe Manchin appears to have no clue about: What size spending bill he would vote for. This exchange, which is long but worth it, between CNN's Dana Bash and the West Virginia Democratic Senator on Sunday is illustrative of both of those points: Bash: Do you have a specific number in mind? Manchin: Here's a number you should be getting to. First of all, I have agreed to get onto the reconciliation, because that's the time for us to make financial adjustments and changes. I thought the 2017 tax code and tax law, the way it was changed, was barely -- very, very unfair. And it was weighted to the heavy -- to the wealthy. Bash: So what's the number? Manchin: And bottom line is, what's -- the number would be what's going to be competitive in our tax code. I believe the corporate rate should be at 25, not 21. Bash: But what's the overall number for the budget bill? Manchin: You know, I think that you're going to have to look at it and find out what you're able to do through a reasonable, responsible way. Bash: So, then how do you know that it's not 3.5? Manchin: And if that's going to be at 1.5, if it's going to be 1, 1.5 -- we don't know where it's going to be. Bash: So, you think, ballpark, 1, 1.5? Manchin: It's not going to be at 3.5, I can assure you. But, with that, whatever it is, once you have a competitive tax code that you can compete globally, and then you should look at what the need is. What's the urgency and the need that we have? Bash: And I'm -- again, I want to get to that, but just because this is -- this is the thing that people consume. Do you have a ceiling? Manchin: I -- my ceiling is this, the need of the American people, and for us to basically take in consideration inflation. No one's concerning about the debt. Our debt as of Friday was 28.7 trillion? And we're not even talking about that. No one is talking about that. Bash: So, 1 -- you just said 1.5. It sounds like $1.5 trillion is your number? Manchin: I'm just saying that, basically -- well, I have looked at numbers. If we have a competitive tax code from a noncompetitive, doesn't help the working person that was done in 2017, that's in the 1, 1.5 range, OK? If that's where it is, shouldn't you be looking at, what does it take now to meet the urgent needs that we have that we haven't already met? Soooo...... If you weren't counting, Dana asked Manchin SEVEN times what the number would be that he could vote for. And seven times Manchin hedged. Even when she pushed on a number he had thrown out -- $1.5 trillion -- he wouldn't commit to that! Manchin's lack of clarity is no small matter. With Democrats holding only 50 Senate seats, they need every single member of their party -- plus the tie-breaking vote of Vice President Kamala Harris -- to pass this spending bill, which President Joe Biden had made clear is a major priority for his administration. Without Manchin's vote -- and it's clear that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer doesn't have it right now -- there is no reconciliation package, no matter how big (or small). Manchin is the linchpin in all of this -- and he knows it. What's difficult -- from Schumer's perspective -- is that Manchin seems to not know what he DOES want. What is the number -- or around the number -- that would turn Manchin's "no" vote into a "yes"? Is it $1.5 trillion? Less? More? To best understand Manchin's current stance -- and why it is utterly maddening for Senate leaders as well as the more liberal House Democratic caucus -- take it out of the political context. Think about it like this: You and your significant other decide you want to go out to dinner. You suggest a few places and he or she says no to each. You name a few more, and he or she continues to reject them. Exasperated, you ask "Well, where do YOU want to eat?" and get this response: "I don't know." Joe Manchin is the undecided diner in this scenario. Except we aren't talking about where to get dinner. We're talking about trillions in government spending that would fundamentally reshape the way government is involved in the lives of individuals for years to come.” Because of the slim majority the Democrats have in the Senate we are being held prisoner by this guy. Which means you want to avoid this in the future you show up and vote at every election to elect Democrats. Going to succeed every time? No, but you keep trying until you do succeed in getting Democrats elected. I’m talking to the 30%-40% of registered voters who regularly sit out elections for stupid reasons.
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