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Post by Merge on Jul 17, 2021 2:36:22 GMT
www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/17/1007447098/pfizer-covid-vaccine-teens-symptoms-myocarditisNaturally occurring heart inflammation is rare, but it does occur from time to time in teens and young adults. The rate seen after these vaccines is slightly higher than the "background" rate. The CDC says the findings do not change the basic recommendation that all people 12 and older should be vaccinated against COVID-19. However, if a person develops myocarditis after the first dose of one of the mRNA vaccines, a second dose should be delayed until the condition has fully resolved and the heart has returned to a normal state. So, should parents of teens hesitate to have their kids vaccinated against COVID-19? Vaccine experts and the American Academy of Pediatrics say no, don't hesitate. It's good for doctors and patients to be aware that there might be a connection between the mRNA vaccines and heart inflammation, and to report to their pediatrician anything they see in that first week after vaccination. But it is also important, the CDC notes, to recognize that even if this does turn out to be an extremely rare side effect of the vaccine, "most patients who received care responded well to medicine and rest and quickly felt better." And the serious risks of COVID-19 — even for young healthy people — outweigh the risks of any possible side effects from the vaccine. All of that information should be discussed between parent, child and their doctor. Who is it that's going to be giving these shots to the child without parental consent? I feel awful for the teens who want the vaccine but whose parents forbid it. There should be an avenue for them to go around their parents in that case. It’s like the parents who withhold chemo or antibiotics and try to cure their kids with prayer instead. Should be against the law. Being aware of problems with the vaccine's side effects on young people, knowing it's still in an experimental/emergency use stage or that the child already has the antibodies and it might not be worth the risk to inject what they already have into the child is NOT the same as relying on only prayer to heal. Ethically, it’s exactly the same. Adults should know better. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 17, 2021 2:50:34 GMT
All of that information should be discussed between parent, child and their doctor. Who is it that's going to be giving these shots to the child without parental consent? Being aware of problems with the vaccine's side effects on young people, knowing it's still in an experimental/emergency use stage or that the child already has the antibodies and it might not be worth the risk to inject what they already have into the child is NOT the same as relying on only prayer to heal. Ethically, it’s exactly the same. Adults should know better. Discussing with and guiding your child to make the best health decision for them specifically vs. a one size fits all approach is NOT at all the same as withholding medical treatment to rely only on prayer. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 17, 2021 9:59:33 GMT
Ethically, it’s exactly the same. Adults should know better. Discussing with and guiding your child to make the best health decision for them specifically vs. a one size fits all approach is NOT at all the same as withholding medical treatment to rely only on prayer. I’m talking about kids who want the vaccine and have been medically advised to get it, but their parents are conspiracy theorists who think they’ll become magnetic or start shedding spike proteins, and forbid it. That’s not guiding a child to make a health decision. That’s freaking irresponsible. With regards to making a health decision, zero teens - zero - have been killed or harmed long-term by the US vaccines. Compare that to the numbers who have been seriously injured or killed by Covid. Parents who are using fear mongering and woo science - even if they earnestly believe the misinformation they hear - to justify their political decision not to allow their teen to be vaccinated are just as bad. But the right defends these people as if they’re making some kind of informed decision. It would be laughable if there weren’t teens’ lives at stake. We know a family of teens/young adults in this exact situation, btw, so it’s not just academic to me. The kids want the vaccine and would feel safer at school with it, but the parents won’t allow it. So please save whatever it is that you want to post to try to justify this parental neglect in the name of Trump or Q or Jesus or whatever. I am not interested. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 17, 2021 21:56:15 GMT
Discussing with and guiding your child to make the best health decision for them specifically vs. a one size fits all approach is NOT at all the same as withholding medical treatment to rely only on prayer. That’s not guiding a child to make a health decision. That’s freaking irresponsible. With regards to making a health decision, zero teens - zero - have been killed or harmed long-term by the US vaccines. Compare that to the numbers who have been seriously injured or killed by Covid. Parents who are using fear mongering and woo science - even if they earnestly believe the misinformation they hear - to justify their political decision not to allow their teen to be vaccinated are just as bad. But the right defends these people as if they’re making some kind of informed decision. It would be laughable if there weren’t teens’ lives at stake. We know a family of teens/young adults in this exact situation, btw, so it’s not just academic to me. The kids want the vaccine and would feel safer at school with it, but the parents won’t allow it. So please save whatever it is that you want to post to try to justify this parental neglect in the name of Trump or Q or Jesus or whatever. I am not interested. This is what I was responding to: I think I heard that in Tennessee kids 14 and up can get the vaccine on their own, no parental approval. Parents in Tennessee are upset about children being able to get the COVID-19 vaccine without permission from their parents. Some state lawmakers are calling to dismantle the state health department. Tennessee parents in general. THAT is the conversation that was going on. YOU introduced conspiracy theorists into the conversation. So I stand by my original statement: "Discussing with and guiding your child to make the best health decision for them specifically vs. a one size fits all approach is NOT at all the same as withholding medical treatment to rely only on prayer." |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2021 22:03:16 GMT
It was FACT that kids 14+ were able to get vaccines in Tennessee, all of them, without parental permission.
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 17, 2021 22:04:48 GMT
It was FACT that kids 14+ were able to get vaccines in Tennessee, all of them, without parental permission. No one is denying that. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 18, 2021 1:37:17 GMT
Some excellent points here. jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2782024Basically the good outweighs the bad. Older teenagers can understand and reason the risks and benefits of the vaccine. Although COVID-19 illness is generally less severe in younger people, the disease has nonetheless caused substantial morbidity and more than 325 deaths among US children and adolescents, a burden of disease greater than that of many diseases for which vaccines are routinely recommended in this age group.
In 4 states, minors can consent to immunizations for sexually transmitted infections, such as human papillomavirus and hepatitis B, without parental permission. In 5 states, minors are allowed to consent to any medical intervention, including vaccines. And their recommendation Minors aged 15 to 17 years could provide consent without parental approval. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 18, 2021 1:41:24 GMT
I am concerned that Tennessee has stopped notifications to 14+ for all vaccines.. will they be welcoming measles, mumps, polio, rubella, all of them as well as Covid vaccines?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 20, 2021 22:26:09 GMT
There is little hope.... On Tuesday, The Daily Beast reported that a pro-Trump group linked to an infamous doctor who has suggested America is under attack from alien DNA and demon sperm is filing a motion with the Food and Drug Administration to halt vaccinations for COVID-19. Among other wild assertions in the predictably absurd document, the motion seeking an injunction filed by 'America's Frontline Doctors' falsely claims the three vaccines authorized for emergency use in the U.S. do not actually curb the spread of the deadly virus," reported Pilar Melendez. "Also: that the coronavirus is not a public health emergency. This being the same pandemic that has killed over 600,000 Americans while showing signs of a nationwide resurgence in recent days with the extra-contagious Delta variant, which is almost exclusively harming unvaccinated people." America's Frontline Doctors, founded by a doctor who is now facing charges for helping to invade the U.S. Capitol on January 6, became notorious last year for pushing a discredited treatment for COVID-19 using hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria and some autoimmune diseases. As evidence, they promoted the work of Dr. Stella Immanuel, a Houston-based conspiracy theorist doctor who believes America is being sickened with demon sperm. Despite their fringe beliefs, America's Frontline Doctors has gained traction in state legislatures, where they have helped to craft anti-vaccine legislation. www.rawstory.com/vaccine-lawsuit/ |
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