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Post by aj2hall on Sept 13, 2021 1:05:13 GMT
Anyone who thinks that Trump was a better president or could do a better job now is delusional or living in an alternate reality with "alternative facts".
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Post by elaine on Sept 13, 2021 1:43:35 GMT
Seriously? What is your agenda these days? First, you post a thread pleading for people to not make it political and then you take the opportunity to skewer the liberals on the board in a few political posts YOU wrote on that thread. Now, you pull a Gia and post a political OP and along with the “disclaimer” that you won’t post your own opinion, but that “we can post whatever we want.” You used to have some integrity here, even if I didn’t agree with you. Lately, since Trump lost, you appear to have crossed over to playing stupid games. My post, I guess, is a stupid prize.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 2:40:04 GMT
This is a political thread. It is intended as such. It is also intended to give peas a chance to see and hear information for themselves that's as close to first-hand as is possible. I'm just providing the videos and will refrain from giving my own opinions. Say whatever you want. As with any speech Trump gives that requires compassion and empathy - he sounds like he's been taken hostage and is reading out his kidnapper's manifesto. So authentic
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Post by Merge on Sept 13, 2021 2:50:58 GMT
Trump is following the right-wing script: We are good praying patriots. They are bad atheist communists. It’s a 20-year old script but still works for right wing members of Republican Party so they keep using it. It’s not about right or wrong. It’s about the script they’re using. Off to add “bad atheist communist” to my bio. Thank you!
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Post by papersilly on Sept 13, 2021 3:17:53 GMT
Are you sure Trump isn't calling people to be payers instead of asking for prayers? You know, the money grubber that he is...
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Post by inkedup on Sept 13, 2021 3:57:53 GMT
I'm not sure what point you're trying to illustrate.
Is Trump better because he called for prayer? This man was as religious as he was Republican for most of his life. Trump found religion and Republicanism when he figured out he could control a large swath of the electorate by simply declaring himself to be both. No proof required. He just tells you he's a Christian Republican and you believe it.
The fact that there is no record of any type of religious belief, attendance or service for Trump does not seem to matter to his followers.
I guess Trump identifies as a Christian and a Republican and that's enough for most of you.
Biden clearly hasn't been loud enough about his lifelong Catholic beliefs for your side 🙄
Also, ew. The people who died on that day and those who died after deserve more than to have their deaths used so that you Trumpers can continue to worship at his altar.
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Post by gar on Sept 13, 2021 7:04:48 GMT
This is really odd...as if you think it's the Democratic Peas here who need to have the veil lifted for them to finally see things clearly. It might be laughable if the fact that it's entirely the opposite hadn't been so devastating for your country.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 9:33:31 GMT
As a non US pea I'm sure you won't mind other opinions, after all 9/11 affected the whole world in many ways so it's not confined to the US. Trumps video - Insincere in it's delivery considering that I don't think for one moment he believes in any sort of prayer or in religious unity. I'll even hazard a guess that he doesn't even believe in any God. That's OK if it's genuine but please don't pretend that you do - that is hypocritical. Thanking and promoting a movement( Let Us Worship) that is exclusive to Christians. A movement that started off with a campaign to promote in their words an attack on their " freedom to worship God and obey His Word has come under unprecedented attack. Powerful politicians and social media giants have engaged in unchartered abuses of religious liberty, silencing the faithful, banning our voices, and outright attacking our God-given right to declare His goodness". Really? Religious unity comes from the understanding and acceptance of all religion not just Christianity and in no way is Christianity being silenced in America. Here's a good article regarding " Let us Worship" that is written by a non American Evangelical Christian comparing the difference covering the Covid 10 pandemic in particular. LINKPresident Biden - Genuine empathy of what people went through and are still going through from the heartbreak and devastation that 9/11 had and still does on their lives. No mention of his own faith but love and understanding of everyone whatever path they follow. He says it all " National Unity. Unity doesn't mean we have to believe in the same thing but have fundamental faith in each other" I know which one I believe is genuine and comes from the heart and it has nothing to do with which political side one is on. Politics or religion shouldn't come into anyone's feelings, empathy or compassion when dealing with such a tragedy as 9/11.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 13, 2021 9:52:56 GMT
As a non US pea I'm sure you won't mind other opinions, after all 9/11 affected the whole world in many ways so it's not confined to the US. Trumps video - Insincere in it's delivery considering that I don't think for one moment he believes in any sort of prayer or in religious unity. I'll even hazard a guess that he doesn't even believe in any God. That's OK if it's genuine but please don't pretend that you do - that is hypocritical. Thanking and promoting a movement( Let Us Worship) that is exclusive to Christians. A movement that started off with a campaign to promote in their words an attack on their " freedom to worship God and obey His Word has come under unprecedented attack. Powerful politicians and social media giants have engaged in unchartered abuses of religious liberty, silencing the faithful, banning our voices, and outright attacking our God-given right to declare His goodness". Really? Religious unity comes from the understanding and acceptance of all religion not just Christianity and in no way is Christianity being silenced in America. Here's a good article regarding " Let us Worship" that is written by a non American Evangelical Christian comparing the difference covering the Covid 10 pandemic in particular. President Biden - Genuine empathy of what people went through and are still going through from the heartbreak and devastation that 9/11 had and still does on their lives. No mention of his own faith but love and understanding of everyone whatever path they follow. He says it all " National Unity. Unity doesn't mean we have to believe in the same thing but have fundamental faith in each other" I know which one I believe is genuine and comes from the heart and it has nothing to do with which political side one is on. Politics or religion shouldn't come into anyone's feelings, empathy or compassion when dealing with such a tragedy as 9/11. I for one always appreciate the opinions of our non-US Peas. And I agree with you.
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Post by michellegb on Sept 13, 2021 10:12:00 GMT
As a non US pea I'm sure you won't mind other opinions, after all 9/11 affected the whole world in many ways so it's not confined to the US. Trumps video - Insincere in it's delivery considering that I don't think for one moment he believes in any sort of prayer or in religious unity. I'll even hazard a guess that he doesn't even believe in any God. That's OK if it's genuine but please don't pretend that you do - that is hypocritical. Thanking and promoting a movement( Let Us Worship) that is exclusive to Christians. A movement that started off with a campaign to promote in their words an attack on their " freedom to worship God and obey His Word has come under unprecedented attack. Powerful politicians and social media giants have engaged in unchartered abuses of religious liberty, silencing the faithful, banning our voices, and outright attacking our God-given right to declare His goodness". Really? Religious unity comes from the understanding and acceptance of all religion not just Christianity and in no way is Christianity being silenced in America. Here's a good article regarding " Let us Worship" that is written by a non American Evangelical Christian comparing the difference covering the Covid 10 pandemic in particular. President Biden - Genuine empathy of what people went through and are still going through from the heartbreak and devastation that 9/11 had and still does on their lives. No mention of his own faith but love and understanding of everyone whatever path they follow. He says it all " National Unity. Unity doesn't mean we have to believe in the same thing but have fundamental faith in each other" I know which one I believe is genuine and comes from the heart and it has nothing to do with which political side one is on. Politics or religion shouldn't come into anyone's feelings, empathy or compassion when dealing with such a tragedy as 9/11. (also - there was no link for that article @dottyscrapper and I'd like to read it if you can add it) The Trump video sounded like an infomercial for a religious cult. The only altar he worships at is one with a mirror and money. Biden's sounded like a regular person talking and encouraging us to support each other. Also, I strongly believe in the original premise for this country - the separation of church and state so that ALL religions are free to worship without fear of having other religious beliefs enforced upon them. I believe that no politician should endorse and proclaim the awesomeness of any religion with the inference that it is good for all citizens. It's just not appropriate and makes me believe that they are going to legislate their beliefs so that everyone else has to follow them too. I do appreciate that Biden is able to keep his beliefs separate from his job. That's how it should be done. He may not believe in abortion for religious reasons but he will not force others to make that belief their own. I respect that. I wish more people would think and act like that. We are not all the same, but we are all here together and we should work toward a better world for ALL - not just those that believe the way we do.
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Post by hookturnian on Sept 13, 2021 10:30:14 GMT
Having watched the video, I disagree with your characterisation that Trump called America to 21 days of prayer. He did not ask people to pray, he didn't ask for prayers, he didn't say what people should pray for, he didnt promote prayer at all. All he did was promote a campaign. The campaign is not even about prayer. It's about defying covid restrictions. Doesn't strike me as very Christian at all.
Biden on the other hand behaves in a very Christian manner.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 10:58:38 GMT
Apologise for the missing link michellegb I've edited my post now.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 13, 2021 17:02:37 GMT
leftturnonly said: I'm just providing the videos and will refrain from giving my own opinions. Say whatever you want. Why would you not want to give your opinion to have a discussion? If you are strong in your beliefs, back them up. Or is that why you won't come back, nothing to really back them up? Not directing this directly to you, OP, but it's odd how the former "fuq your feelings" crowd are now all about their "beliefs".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 21:42:31 GMT
Having watched the video, I disagree with your characterisation that Trump called America to 21 days of prayer. He did not ask people to pray, he didn't ask for prayers, he didn't say what people should pray for, he didnt promote prayer at all. All he did was promote a campaign. The campaign is not even about prayer. It's about defying covid restrictions. Doesn't strike me as very Christian at all. Biden on the other hand behaves in a very Christian manner. Good point - I think it shows who his latest political donor is. And hence my comment about reading a statement like a hostage. I think it's pretty clear the 'Let us worshop movement' funded that video and wrote the speech for him.
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Post by elaine on Sept 13, 2021 23:29:20 GMT
Why would you not want to give your opinion to have a discussion? If you are strong in your beliefs, back them up. Or is that why you won't come back, nothing to really back them up? Not directing this directly to you, OP, but it's odd how the former "fuq your feelings" crowd are now all about their "beliefs". Well, it is quite the reversal from the nashing of teeth and rending of clothing that Lefty treated us to in her last thread about how she couldn’t believe we weren’t speaking out against Facebook and how she was going to speak out and express herself now. So, it was all a bunch of whiny hot air with no real change. Where is the more speech? Where is the discussion we are supposed to have? Just more finger pointing and refusing to actually engage and discuss - simply drop bombs, refuse to actually express an independent thought, and view oneself as a victim because big bad mean ‘ole Facebook (and us froggy peas) isn’t cooperating with the anti-vaxx, COVID-is-a-hoax agenda.
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Post by LiLi on Sept 14, 2021 2:56:08 GMT
And this... Congratulations, Rudy, YEAH!!! I mean really WTAF. How do people not see through this dufus?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 13:49:12 GMT
And this... Congratulations, Rudy, YEAH!!! I mean really WTAF. How do people not see through this dufus? That is absolutely despicable - who in their right mind congratulates someone on the anniversary of such a solemn occasion. Every time I think Trump has gone as low as any human can he goes lower.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 14, 2021 16:10:55 GMT
My mom always told me, you are who you hang out with. If you hang out with scummy people you will never elevate them, they will always drag you down.
trumpers like the OP are living example of that. They have lost their ethics, morality and their decency.
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