Just T
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Post by Just T on Apr 30, 2023 21:20:45 GMT
I often find myself in disbelief and disgust at Trump supporters and how they are so able to dismiss all of his crap and still support him when any other candidate, left or right, would be crucified for even a small portion of what he does and has done. But this jumped out at me today in a story I read on Yahoo news: A recent poll "found that 63 percent of Republicans said they wanted Trump to be president again, even if he was found guilty of a crime." What the hell?? I can see if you are a die hard supporter who is convinced he didn't do anything wrong supporting him, but that many people saying they would still want him to be president, even if he is found guilty of a crime? What IS it about this grifter that makes him garner such support?? To quote Lucy, we are truly doomed. Here is a link to the yahoo article: www.yahoo.com/news/why-gop-voters-loyal-trump-100000290.html
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Post by StephDRebel on Apr 30, 2023 21:28:26 GMT
My mother believes that "they're all criminals" so it doesn't matter to her because he is the only one who cares about the babies getting murdered 😒
When asked why "they" aren't all being prosecuted, eslecially with republican conteol she just refuses to continue the conversation. She also says trump had a great Healthcare plan, he just didn't have enough time to tell anyone what it was. Him having the same term as everyone else in history is nonsense, I'm just picking fights.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Apr 30, 2023 21:33:19 GMT
To those that say he is saving babies what about him paying for abortions in the past? Or does that not matter anymore. The fact that he isn’t really a Christian and doesn’t go to church?
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Post by lucyg on Apr 30, 2023 21:37:09 GMT
My mother believes that "they're all criminals" so it doesn't matter to her because he is the only one who cares about the babies getting murdered 😒 When asked why "they" aren't all being prosecuted, eslecially with republican conteol she just refuses to continue the conversation. She also says trump had a great Healthcare plan, he just didn't have enough time to tell anyone what it was. Him having the same term as everyone else in history is nonsense, I'm just picking fights. Okay, my mom may be 94 and a pain in the ass, but at least she’s a confirmed Trump-hater.
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StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Apr 30, 2023 21:42:53 GMT
To those that say he is saving babies what about him paying for abortions in the past? Or does that not matter anymore. The fact that he isn’t really a Christian and doesn’t go to church? In my case there is no research or actual information, just taking what he says at face value and everything else is lies and propaganda from baby murderers trying to bring this man of God down. We've been waiting and waiting for Christian persecution all these years so it's really no surprise he's being attacked for his faith. It doesn't matter if he actually has faith. He said he's pro life so it must be. Everyone can ask forgiveness and I'm a shit human for judging him instead of supporting a man of faith.
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StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Apr 30, 2023 21:43:17 GMT
My mother believes that "they're all criminals" so it doesn't matter to her because he is the only one who cares about the babies getting murdered 😒 When asked why "they" aren't all being prosecuted, eslecially with republican conteol she just refuses to continue the conversation. She also says trump had a great Healthcare plan, he just didn't have enough time to tell anyone what it was. Him having the same term as everyone else in history is nonsense, I'm just picking fights. Okay, my mom may be 94 and a pain in the ass, but at least she’s a confirmed Trump-hater. Mine is only 60 😔😔😔
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 30, 2023 21:59:12 GMT
Disgusting, but not surprising. They don’t hear about all of his criming because their preferred media frequently ignores it.
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Apr 30, 2023 22:05:38 GMT
To those that say he is saving babies what about him paying for abortions in the past? Or does that not matter anymore. The fact that he isn’t really a Christian and doesn’t go to church? It would matter if you had proof but there is none. Are you saying if you don’t go to church you’re not a Christian? I’ve no doubt there’s quite a few people on this board that consider themselves Christians but don’t attend church on a regular basis. Obama rarely attended church while in the White House but he considers himself a Christian.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 30, 2023 22:11:30 GMT
To those that say he is saving babies what about him paying for abortions in the past? Or does that not matter anymore. The fact that he isn’t really a Christian and doesn’t go to church? It would matter if you had proof but there is none. Are you saying if you don’t go to church you’re not a Christian? I’ve no doubt there’s quite a few people on this board that consider themselves Christians but don’t attend church on a regular basis. Obama rarely attended church while in the White House but he considers himself a Christian. I don't think regular church attendance is a qualification for being a Christian. Using a bible as a prop after ordering peaceful protestors violently removed to clear the way for your photo op might be. Based on things in addition to church attendance, I think most people would agree that both Biden and Obama are spiritual (except for birthers who falsely believe Obama is a Muslim) Obama has written extensively about his spiritual awakening as an adult. Speaking publicly, he was more reserved or quiet about his spirituality but he read a devotion every morning before starting his day when he was president. Both Obama and Biden demonstrate their faith and spirituality in different ways. The same cannot be said of Trump. Just for comparison, here are Obama's words apnews.com/article/joseph-lowery-spirituality-prayer-joel-hunter-archive-0b5e5e224b854d2d9eb43bb32c4f38d3“This office tends to make a person pray more,” Obama said last year in an interview with Cathedral Age magazine. “And as President Lincoln once said, ‘I have been driven to my knees many times by the overwhelming conviction that I had no place else to go.’”
And Trump's actions and words www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/02/14/trump-mocks-faith-others-his-own-religious-practices-remain-opaque/Trump — who recently mocked the expressions of faith of two devout politicians, the Catholic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Latter-day Saint Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) — very rarely puts his own religious beliefs on display. The president says the Bible is his favorite book but has declined to name a verse that is particularly meaningful to him. And he has said multiple times that he does not like to ask God for forgiveness, which is traditionally seen as a core part of the Christian faith.
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Post by femalebusiness on May 1, 2023 0:24:17 GMT
To those that say he is saving babies what about him paying for abortions in the past? Or does that not matter anymore. The fact that he isn’t really a Christian and doesn’t go to church? It would matter if you had proof but there is none. Are you saying if you don’t go to church you’re not a Christian? I’ve no doubt there’s quite a few people on this board that consider themselves Christians but don’t attend church on a regular basis. Obama rarely attended church while in the White House but he considers himself a Christian. So you are saying that your man trump is a Christian? 😂😂😂 You don't do much research do you? I guess Christians “grab them by the pussy”, never set foot in a church, screw around on their wives, rape women and grift all the ignorant people for tons of money. Pathetic! You should definitely send him some money for his new campaign.
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Post by Gem Girl on May 1, 2023 0:36:13 GMT
To those that say he is saving babies what about him paying for abortions in the past? Or does that not matter anymore. The fact that he isn’t really a Christian and doesn’t go to church? In my case there is no research or actual information, just taking what he says at face value and everything else is lies and propaganda from baby murderers trying to bring this man of God down. We've been waiting and waiting for Christian persecution all these years so it's really no surprise he's being attacked for his faith. It doesn't matter if he actually has faith. He said he's pro life so it must be. Everyone can ask forgiveness and I'm a shit human for judging him instead of supporting a man of faith. From the most compulsive liar ever encountered in the American political arena. My sympathy on having to deal with this in the family. I would be very surprised if he hasn't been party to and/or paid for abortion(s). I'd love for somebody to come forward with irrefutable proof. But, then, the sheep would just say that it had been fabricated (they'd say it first, then he'd be going, "Yeah! Yeah, that's the ticket!" Poor, persecuted wealthy turd who's had everything except accountability given to him.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 1, 2023 10:10:01 GMT
It would matter if you had proof but there is none. Are you saying if you don’t go to church you’re not a Christian? I’ve no doubt there’s quite a few people on this board that consider themselves Christians but don’t attend church on a regular basis. Obama rarely attended church while in the White House but he considers himself a Christian. So you are saying that your man trump is a Christian? 😂😂😂 You don't do much research do you? I guess Christians “grab them by the pussy”, never set foot in a church, screw around on their wives, rape women and grift all the ignorant people for tons of money. Pathetic! You should definitely send him some money for his new campaign. 100%. he has a record of mocking evangelicals while cheering on their hustle for $$. www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-secretly-mocks-his-christian-supporters/616522/
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 12:23:48 GMT
To those that say he is saving babies what about him paying for abortions in the past? Or does that not matter anymore. The fact that he isn’t really a Christian and doesn’t go to church? It would matter if you had proof but there is none. Are you saying if you don’t go to church you’re not a Christian? I’ve no doubt there’s quite a few people on this board that consider themselves Christians but don’t attend church on a regular basis. Obama rarely attended church while in the White House but he considers himself a Christian. Obama attended church far more than "rarely." It's laughable that you think trump is a Christian. There's nothing Christian about him. Maybe if Jesus looked like a dollar bill.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 1, 2023 14:11:05 GMT
To those that say he is saving babies what about him paying for abortions in the past? Or does that not matter anymore. The fact that he isn’t really a Christian and doesn’t go to church? It would matter if you had proof but there is none. Are you saying if you don’t go to church you’re not a Christian? I’ve no doubt there’s quite a few people on this board that consider themselves Christians but don’t attend church on a regular basis. Obama rarely attended church while in the White House but he considers himself a Christian. Being a Christian is not a prerequisite to being a good honorable person!! TFG and friends are christians, IF even that...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 1, 2023 14:18:16 GMT
It would matter if you had proof but there is none. Are you saying if you don’t go to church you’re not a Christian? I’ve no doubt there’s quite a few people on this board that consider themselves Christians but don’t attend church on a regular basis. Obama rarely attended church while in the White House but he considers himself a Christian. I don't think regular church attendance is a qualification for being a Christian. Using a bible as a prop after ordering peaceful protestors violently removed to clear the way for your photo op might be. Based on things in addition to church attendance, I think most people would agree that both Biden and Obama are spiritual (except for birthers who falsely believe Obama is a Muslim) Obama has written extensively about his spiritual awakening as an adult. Speaking publicly, he was more reserved or quiet about his spirituality but he read a devotion every morning before starting his day when he was president. Both Obama and Biden demonstrate their faith and spirituality in different ways. The same cannot be said of Trump. Just for comparison, here are Obama's words apnews.com/article/joseph-lowery-spirituality-prayer-joel-hunter-archive-0b5e5e224b854d2d9eb43bb32c4f38d3“This office tends to make a person pray more,” Obama said last year in an interview with Cathedral Age magazine. “And as President Lincoln once said, ‘I have been driven to my knees many times by the overwhelming conviction that I had no place else to go.’”
And Trump's actions and words www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/02/14/trump-mocks-faith-others-his-own-religious-practices-remain-opaque/Trump — who recently mocked the expressions of faith of two devout politicians, the Catholic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Latter-day Saint Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) — very rarely puts his own religious beliefs on display. The president says the Bible is his favorite book but has declined to name a verse that is particularly meaningful to him. And he has said multiple times that he does not like to ask God for forgiveness, which is traditionally seen as a core part of the Christian faith.Actually he says he doesn't need to ask for forgiveness, because he does nothing wrong....
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Post by disneypal on May 1, 2023 14:30:48 GMT
A recent poll "found that 63 percent of Republicans said they wanted Trump to be president again, even if he was found guilty of a crime." Ugh! I totally believe it. Remember when Trump said " I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" I thought, boy that shows how nuts he is...but honestly, he is right. He could literally shoot an innocent person in cold blood with dozens of witnesses and his supporters would say "Well, I'm sure they had it coming" It is disgusting and sadly I have some co-workers and relatives that would be the ones casting the votes for him. I just don't get how he has the ability to brainwash so many people.
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Post by RosieKat on May 1, 2023 16:18:19 GMT
My mother believes that "they're all criminals" so it doesn't matter to her because he is the only one who cares about the babies getting murdered 😒 That's pretty much a coworker of mine. If he even bothers to vote at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 16:21:14 GMT
Keep in mind, trump supporters think the Biden family is a huge mafia type of crime family despite evidence to the contrary. They think the Trump family are perfectly innocent and doing everything by the book.
Trump is not being persecuted. If he never ran for president, all of his shady dealings would've just kept sliding under the radar. Instead, he put a big fucking spotlight on himself and refused to release stuff which caught the attention of law enforcement.
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Post by casii on May 1, 2023 16:26:32 GMT
A neighbor to the back of me just put up a Trump 2024 Save America Again flag. Anyone still on the Trump train has lost all my respect.
My father has said he's not MAGA, but I 3/4 of his social media posts are all trashing Dems, especially Dem women in leadership, Biden, liberals, etc. Without fail, if there is a mass shooting, he will post something about his 2nd amendment rights on the same day. He has Trump 2024 breath mints. And he wonders why I don't call or visit more often.
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Post by compeateropeator on May 1, 2023 17:25:40 GMT
I am surprised how many forget that he was a “well know” alleged 😉 shyster before he ran. I didn’t know anyone who like him or thought he had scruples. In my realm, even those supporting him now thought he was (at the very least) a braggy rich guy who only looks out for himself. And probably would have never thought more than that…So what changed? I don’t get it… when did he go to from that to being a champion for the low/middle class working person?
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Post by cecilia on May 1, 2023 17:34:04 GMT
Disgusting, but not surprising. They don’t hear about all of his criming because their preferred media frequently ignores it. Yep. When my aunt was in the hospital in 2018, she had it on Fox. Her and my Mom would get into arguments and Aunt would just repeat Fox talking points. I probably should have been more understanding with her on somethings but FFS not on supporting Trump. My Mom's entire family are Trumpers besides her, me, and my Dad. ETA,: Going to explain the understanding comment. It's not about Trump. Aunt has issues-- physical, financial, emotional. She had abusive relationship after abusive relationship. Had a hard time understanding why she didn't try to get out of her bad situations.
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Post by aj2hall on May 1, 2023 18:26:59 GMT
I am surprised how many forget that he was a “well know” alleged 😉 shyster before he ran. I didn’t know anyone who like him or thought he had scruples. In my realm, even those supporting him now thought he was (at the very least) a braggy rich guy who only looks out for himself. And probably would have never thought more than that…So what changed? I don’t get it… when did he go to from that to being a champion for the low/middle class working person? I think he became a champion when he insulted people and gave his supporters (white working class men) "enemies " that they could direct their anger towards and blame for everything. Mostly marginalized communities - immigrants, blacks, Asian Americans, LGBTQ, women etc. Regretfully, I think a lot of people bought into the way Mark Burnett edited & produced his show. They look at him as a successful businessman. We lived in NJ and saw first hand what he was really like. People that worked in his casino hated him. So many stories about how he stiffed tradesman, screwed over workers, his bankruptcies and how he abused them to avoid paying people or companies etc.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 1, 2023 19:12:36 GMT
TFG and his dear old dad faced racial discrimination charges and were fined in 1973! Down hill from then!
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Post by birukitty on May 1, 2023 20:21:05 GMT
I truly believe he's the like the second coming of Hitler and Fox News is another version of Goebbels propaganda campaign. Instead of targeting the Jews they are targeting LGBTQ, women, blacks, immigrants, Asian Americans and others. Fox News is brainwashing what were average Americans in their homes just like Goebbels propaganda campaign did to average Germans. I truly believe this. Trump is held up on a pedestal just like Hitler was back then. I see all of it happening all over again. The book banning, the overturn of Roe vs. Wade taking away women's right to choose-it's our version today of what happened in Germany in the 30's.
My parents are very well educated and intelligent. To my shock they started watching Fox News several years ago and believe the lies that this channel spews. They aren't Trumpers (thank God) but my father is still a Republican (always has been-he still believes in the Republican party of 2 decades ago) and since my mother has retained her German citizenship she can't vote anyway. They are both 83. My mother was born in Germany in 1939. I've told her what I see and believe and she just shakes her head thinking I'm crazy.
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Post by nursema on May 1, 2023 21:45:40 GMT
I truly believe he's the like the second coming of Hitler and Fox News is another version of Goebbels propaganda campaign. Instead of targeting the Jews they are targeting LGBTQ, women, blacks, immigrants, Asian Americans and others. Fox News is brainwashing what were average Americans in their homes just like Goebbels propaganda campaign did to average Germans. I truly believe this. Trump is held up on a pedestal just like Hitler was back then. I see all of it happening all over again. The book banning, the overturn of Roe vs. Wade taking away women's right to choose-it's our version today of what happened in Germany in the 30's. My parents are very well educated and intelligent. To my shock they started watching Fox News several years ago and believe the lies that this channel spews. They aren't Trumpers (thank God) but my father is still a Republican (always has been-he still believes in the Republican party of 2 decades ago) and since my mother has retained her German citizenship she can't vote anyway. They are both 83. My mother was born in Germany in 1939. I've told her what I see and believe and she just shakes her head thinking I'm crazy. I see things very similarly and share in your frustration. I have a hard time with the fact that so many are so snowed by the BS… How a huge chunk of the country has been brainwashed into believing that “WOKEness” (which, in MY eyes/beliefs is the practice of extending acceptance and empathy to ALL people, leaving judgment to The One who is the only true judge - YMMV, of course!) is a Big Sin (or a co-signing of sins) just blows my mind. The way I see it is that being woke is following the example of Jesus. Are many believers simply ignoring what they, themselves believe to be their own God-given discernment? I just see false prophets everywhere…(say that in an “I see dead people” whisper! 😂) I’m probably on a bloviating roll today, but I’m at my limit again. It’s just so heartbreaking. I am still praying fervently that a lot of good, intelligent folks will open their eyes and see that their anger, fear and hatred is incredibly misplaced. So many people are suffering as a result of the mind-fuck assault that is being perpetuated by the right wing propaganda machine (and co-conspirators in positions of power). It’s been going on for years, but the intensity has been cranked up exponentially since Don The Con hit the political scene. It is only going to increase from here on out. They’re going balls-to-the-wall and there’s no bottom to how low that machine will sink.
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Post by Gem Girl on May 1, 2023 22:13:07 GMT
I am surprised how many forget that he was a “well know” alleged 😉 shyster before he ran. I didn’t know anyone who like him or thought he had scruples. In my realm, even those supporting him now thought he was (at the very least) a braggy rich guy who only looks out for himself. And probably would have never thought more than that…So what changed? I don’t get it… when did he go to from that to being a champion for the low/middle class working person?He's not. The peasant R's who rally behind him like that they hate the same people (anybody who's well educated and/or not Caucasian), and they get a rush from his vulgar mouthing off, which they wish they had the nerve to do. They can't even figure out that he's able to do that because he's wealthy, and that he would never associate with any of them, even though they're all at the same class level, despite their financial disparities.
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Post by femalebusiness on May 1, 2023 22:18:39 GMT
I am surprised how many forget that he was a “well know” alleged 😉 shyster before he ran. I didn’t know anyone who like him or thought he had scruples. In my realm, even those supporting him now thought he was (at the very least) a braggy rich guy who only looks out for himself. And probably would have never thought more than that…So what changed? I don’t get it… when did he go to from that to being a champion for the low/middle class working person?He's not. The peasant R's who rally behind him like that they hate the same people (anybody who's well educated and/or not Caucasian), and they get a rush from his vulgar mouthing off, which they wish they had the nerve to do. They can't even figure out that he's able to do that because he's wealthy, and that he would never associate with any of them, even though they're all at the same class level, despite their financial disparities. Like my husband always says about those that worship at the feet of the orange one, he hates the same people that they hate.
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Post by peasapie on May 1, 2023 22:22:07 GMT
To those that say he is saving babies what about him paying for abortions in the past? Or does that not matter anymore. The fact that he isn’t really a Christian and doesn’t go to church? In my case there is no research or actual information, just taking what he says at face value and everything else is lies and propaganda from baby murderers trying to bring this man of God down. We've been waiting and waiting for Christian persecution all these years so it's really no surprise he's being attacked for his faith. It doesn't matter if he actually has faith. He said he's pro life so it must be. Everyone can ask forgiveness and I'm a shit human for judging him instead of supporting a man of faith. Yeah this is pretty much my sister's dialogue as well. They don't care what he did or didn't do. They don't want a Democrat in office so they will take anything this loser did, does, or promises to do. It's such faulty thinking, because there are actually a couple of Republicans that independents like me might have voted for (thinking Liz Cheney, for example). But never in a million years would I vote for that clown.
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Post by hop2 on May 1, 2023 22:49:47 GMT
Trump is not being persecuted. If he never ran for president, all of his shady dealings would've just kept sliding under the radar. Instead, he put a big fucking spotlight on himself and refused to release stuff which caught the attention of law enforcement. If he hadn’t ran for President on the ‘lock her up’ ticket, his money and his ‘fixer’ would have kept ‘fixing’ his issues and he wouldn’t be in court. Not that it’s right, but we do tend to have 2 Justice systems. One for the rich & one for the rest of us A neighbor to the back of me just put up a Trump 2024 Save America Again flag. Anyone still on the Trump train has lost all my respect. I had little respect prior to 2020 with Trumpers, but I tried to give people the benefit of doubt that they hadn’t known he was a slimy scumbag, grifter. But I have zero respect for anyone still supporting him after 1/6. Anyone supporting him after 1/6 is supporting the overthrow of the freely elected government of this country and is a traitor to the nation and doesn’t deserve respect. You want to continue to be a conservative, fine, but find someone who hasn’t already tried a coup. Preferably one that’s not also a fascist like DeSatan. lucyg is right we are still doomed.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 1, 2023 23:24:39 GMT
lucyg will be stuck with the 'we are doomed' comment forever!!
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