casii
Drama Llama
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Post by casii on May 11, 2023 11:33:28 GMT
Shame on CNN for giving him a big free nationwide campaign rally.
But you know what's worse than Trump? The Trump cult. Shame on anyone who votes for that. Where's the gif from game of thrones when I need it?
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Post by peano on May 11, 2023 14:20:51 GMT
Shame on anyone who is still thinking, "Well, maybe Trump will change/mellow/act more presidential rather than a crazy person."
Shame on CNN who is pandering their once respected news network for numbers.
Blech! There's no way I would have watched that, but from the transcripts and video clips I've seen, I feel filthy and disgusting and need a shower.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 11, 2023 14:25:38 GMT
More.... Legal experts believe that former President Donald Trump's CNN town hall at St. Anselm College in New Hampshire gave fresh evidence to every one of the three ongoing criminal cases against him, reported Salon on Thursday. The ongoing criminal cases against Trump — not including the bookkeeping fraud case over the Stormy Daniels hush payment, which has already been charged by Manhattan prosecutors — are the election interference probe in Georgia, the federal January 6 investigation, and the federal investigation of classified documents stashed at Mar-a-Lago — all of which came up during the town hall under the questioning of moderator and CNN anchor Kaitlan Collins. Trump repeatedly lied during the town hall that the election was 'rigged,' that Georgia 'owed' him votes, that he had the right to take classified documents to Mar-a-Lago and that he does not know E. Jean Carroll — the writer who was awarded $5 million a day earlier after it found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation," reported Igor Derysh. "'All three ongoing criminal cases got new evidence tonight against Trump,' tweeted national security attorney Bradley Moss. 'He is confessing on live television.'" "Former FBI agent Pete Strzok called the comment [that he didn't "really" share the classified documents with anyone] a 'tacit admission of unauthorized disclosure of classified information,'" said the report. "During another exchange, Collins asked Trump about his call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, demanding he 'find' enough votes to swing the state's election. Trump said he believed it was a 'rigged election' and said he told Raffensperger 'you owe me votes because the election was rigged.' 'File this clip under new evidence for Fani Willis,' tweeted Anthony Michael Kreis, a Georgia State University law professor. 'This sure sounds like an admission of corrupt intent to me.'" As for the January 6 probe, Trump agreed with Collins that the people who stormed the Capitol "listen to [him] like no one else" — which former federal prosecutor Elie Honig told Mediaite it was "the most important clip of the night" because the essential element of proving the crime is that Trump knew he had an influence on the rioters and "I've never heard him so clearly admit that. Everything Donald Trump says is out there. It's fair game. It can be used." On top of all of this, Trump opened himself up last night to be sued again by E. Jean Carroll, for repeating the same claims that the jury found defamatory — experts had already raised that as a possibility when he made similar comments on his Truth Social platform. www.rawstory.com/trump-crimes-2659997755/
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 11, 2023 15:32:10 GMT
We already knew this, but he has zero impulse control, which is a very bad thing when you are/were POTUS. How anyone thinks he is competent is beyond me.
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Post by librarylady on May 11, 2023 15:39:14 GMT
From Heather Cox Richardson's newsletter:
A Biden campaign advisor told NBC News White House correspondent Mike Memoli: “Weeks worth of damning content in one hour…. It was quite efficient." It might turn out that, as journalist Ana Navarro-Cárdenas tweeted, “[Joe Biden] is the winner of tonight’s town-hall.”
As Biden tweeted after the performance: “It’s simple, folks. Do you want four more years of that?”
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Post by onelasttime on May 11, 2023 16:08:18 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 11, 2023 18:01:08 GMT
One thing I thought was interesting was when asked about the debt limit during his term vs now and he said well that’s different because I was president or something like that. So it’s ok if it’s him but not anyone else was how I took his comment. Just like well I will take a win but not except the results if I don’t because then of course they have to have been rigged. 🤦♀️
The thing is his followers believe everything he says. So therefore of course the democrats are evil and out to get him and cheat. They don’t believe anything anyone says against him. It’s frustrating and I don’t think we can’t reach them snd I really worry about the next election and how violent things will get if he loses but think it would be worse if he won as he would never leave.
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Post by hopemax on May 11, 2023 18:19:11 GMT
At least everyone here can criticize CNN where it's deserved. Unlike the Fox viewers who never question anything they're told. This whole CNN direction is odd to watch. I remember when the new guy Chris Lict went there and thought I wonder if he's going to change the direction of CNN. And as he had been previously working for Colbert, I thought the changes might be intelligent. Now I just don't get it. I assume Chris is trying to bridge the division in public discourse by having more Republican viewpoints to try and encourage discussion but that town hall was just odd. You don't reason, discuss, or fact check someone like Trump. You can never fact check him because he just makes up more lies. Chris is a gullible fool thinking he could bridge any gap in discourse with Trump. To engage with someone as delusional as Trump and give him a chance to explain is purely delusional itself. Now I just wonder if Chris is trying to get some Fox viewers over to CNN....purely business related. I think it's both. I believe the business is the primary driver, as I mentioned up thread. However, I think he also suffers from the same delusion many have... that Trump got to where we got because of media approaching Trump and his supporters wrong and he knows the way to do it right! I think he thinks he shined a light in the dark corners and revealed something about Trump and the cult of personality around him, that will ultimately make Trump unelectable with reasonable people, including Republicans. But I think many of us are of the position that if the last 7 years didn't inform people what they needed to know about Trump *and especially* his basket of deplorables to make the conclusion that those people should be nowhere near positions of power, that whatever we witnessed last night wasn't going to change minds. I think he thinks he was being clever, by choosing an audience that reacted to Trump's comments the way that they did. That people would be so horrified in watching and hearing what went down, like we all were, they would feel the need to wipe the stench off and move away from Trump. Apparently, he doesn't know about nose-blindness. Smokers say they didn't realize how bad the stench was until they became non-smokers... I think it will turn out to be the same sort of thing here. Now, he may not end up the GOP nominee, or win another general. But it won't because people suddenly realized they didn't want any part of the cruelty, the bullying, the assaulter, the election denier, the insurrection instigator, the liar, the idiot, etc. It will be because of abortion. With a secondary chance that a US debt default happens, goes badly, and actually gets hung around the GOP's neck.
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on May 11, 2023 18:19:53 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 11, 2023 18:26:33 GMT
I really don’t think this will change the mind of those that voted for him I think it just cemented their opinion because he just kept repeating the lies and insults.
Those of us that aren’t fans were disgusted with him and the laughs he got. I hope I’m wrong but I really don’t see this changing people opinion of him. People will see clips and take it the way they always do with him, love it or hate it.
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Post by onelasttime on May 11, 2023 19:11:41 GMT
I don’t disagree with him. But maybe if one asked dumpster don to provide proof that can be verified and bluntly say without it he is lying might work. And then maybe not.
And a response to him when he calls one nasty is to say asking for proof of what you’re claiming is not being nasty but simply looking for the truth.
And of course none of this may work. More likely he would walk off the stage and promptly take to his truth social and whine how mean that person was to him.
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Post by bluebird71 on May 11, 2023 19:42:24 GMT
I have so many words I could say but I struggle to be coherent on this topic.
So many of the Republicans I personally know love Trump bc he makes so many people like me so angry. It doesn't matter if what he says or does is horrible - if it makes me angry and upset then Trump has done his job.
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Post by hop2 on May 11, 2023 20:25:15 GMT
How the fuck are people applauding this lying impeached sexist sociopathic orange baboon? How is it even possible that he is running again? We are so fucked. Are we officially replacing doomed?
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Post by papersilly on May 11, 2023 21:07:00 GMT
he did nothing but pander to his base last night. i don't think he said anything to convince any undecided voters. it's such a stupid move on his part. they will vote for him no matter what but they are not enough to secure him a win. he doesn't need to constantly pander to them but whatever. better for the Dems if they can go after the undecided vote.
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Post by onelasttime on May 11, 2023 21:07:44 GMT
It seems to me that all she has to do is play excerpts from this CNN town hall at any appeal hearing and that will the end of any appeal on trump’s part.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 11, 2023 21:12:44 GMT
More.... Legal experts believe that former President Donald Trump's CNN town hall at St. Anselm College in New Hampshire gave fresh evidence to every one of the three ongoing criminal cases against him, reported Salon on Thursday. The ongoing criminal cases against Trump — not including the bookkeeping fraud case over the Stormy Daniels hush payment, which has already been charged by Manhattan prosecutors — are the election interference probe in Georgia, the federal January 6 investigation, and the federal investigation of classified documents stashed at Mar-a-Lago — all of which came up during the town hall under the questioning of moderator and CNN anchor Kaitlan Collins. Trump repeatedly lied during the town hall that the election was 'rigged,' that Georgia 'owed' him votes, that he had the right to take classified documents to Mar-a-Lago and that he does not know E. Jean Carroll — the writer who was awarded $5 million a day earlier after it found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation," reported Igor Derysh. "'All three ongoing criminal cases got new evidence tonight against Trump,' tweeted national security attorney Bradley Moss. 'He is confessing on live television.'" "Former FBI agent Pete Strzok called the comment [that he didn't "really" share the classified documents with anyone] a 'tacit admission of unauthorized disclosure of classified information,'" said the report. "During another exchange, Collins asked Trump about his call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, demanding he 'find' enough votes to swing the state's election. Trump said he believed it was a 'rigged election' and said he told Raffensperger 'you owe me votes because the election was rigged.' 'File this clip under new evidence for Fani Willis,' tweeted Anthony Michael Kreis, a Georgia State University law professor. 'This sure sounds like an admission of corrupt intent to me.'" As for the January 6 probe, Trump agreed with Collins that the people who stormed the Capitol "listen to [him] like no one else" — which former federal prosecutor Elie Honig told Mediaite it was "the most important clip of the night" because the essential element of proving the crime is that Trump knew he had an influence on the rioters and "I've never heard him so clearly admit that. Everything Donald Trump says is out there. It's fair game. It can be used." On top of all of this, Trump opened himself up last night to be sued again by E. Jean Carroll, for repeating the same claims that the jury found defamatory — experts had already raised that as a possibility when he made similar comments on his Truth Social platform. www.rawstory.com/trump-crimes-2659997755/Now that would be a chef’s kiss. The man is a lunatic.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 11, 2023 21:14:41 GMT
I have so many words I could say but I struggle to be coherent on this topic. So many of the Republicans I personally know love Trump bc he makes so many people like me so angry. It doesn't matter if what he says or does is horrible - if it makes me angry and upset then Trump has done his job. Yes. How on earth did this “owning the libs” bullshit start? They don’t even pretend to have ideas any more.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 11, 2023 21:16:05 GMT
We already knew this, but he has zero impulse control, which is a very bad thing when you are/were POTUS. How anyone thinks he is competent is beyond me. The format was so bad. Someone said that it was like giving a toddler unstructured time. Sounds about right.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 12, 2023 2:01:40 GMT
Anderson Cooper spoke out before his show tonight..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 12, 2023 4:07:14 GMT
Last night I did see some rows of people who were not applauding and some looked rather grim.. Now we know there is more to the story!! ..... Donald Trump's town hall hosted by CNN in New Hampshire sparked criticism for its content, but also for the reactions from the audience. Now it has been reported that the spectator reactions were controlled, and that, while applause were allowed, booing wasn't. Trump on Thursday took to Truth Social to defend CNN amid the backlash, which saw the news network being accused of platforming someone who tried to destroy it. Among other things, viewers complained that CNN had reportedly stacked the audience with 400 voters defined as sympathetic to Trump. But those voters may not have been as sympathetic as they sounded, according to a conversation between Puck News senior political correspondent Tara Palmeri and Matthew Bartlett, who served at the U.S. Department of State. "On CNN, it sure looked like Trump won over the crowd during his town hall interview with Kaitlan Collins," it reads. "But the reality was different in the room—and in the state of New Hampshire." When asked about whether there were ground rules for the audience, the individual present stated that the network "did some warm up with the audience ahead of time." That included the floor manager guiding spectators on how to respond, and how not to respond, according to the interview. "The floor manager came out ahead of time and said, Please do not boo, please be respectful. You were allowed to applaud. And I think that set the tone where people were going to try their best to keep this between the navigational beacons, and that if they felt compelled to applaud, they would, but they weren't going to have an outburst or they weren't going to boo an answer." Bartlett went on to say that, while he doesn't know how it looked on camera, he does feel "as if [Trump] lost the audience" when talking about his tweets and other subjects. www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-town-hall-2660042914/
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on May 12, 2023 15:05:16 GMT
Anderson Cooper spoke out before his show tonight.. OMG, Anderson Cooper could not have been more condescending in this than if he had just said outright that we’re stupidly burying our heads in the sand. OF COURSE we know there’s a probability that Trump could become president again because he’s the GOP frontrunner. And it’s not about Dems in silos who refuse to hear what “the other side” is saying—we already know what the other side stands for because we’ve seen it with our own eyes. Trump was in office for four years; how could we not see the damage he and his MAGA supporters did to our democracy? Trump is not just any regular candidate who should be given the opportunity to present his worldview as if he’s just an Asa Hutchinson or a Nikki Haley or a Vivek Ramaswamy. For god’s sake, he’s a former president who instigated a violent coup; who has been found liable for sexual assault; whose company was cooking the books and defrauding banks and tax bodies; who is now being investigated for a plethora of crimes by federal, state and local prosecutors; whose four-year administration was a bonanza of graft and corruption; whose words spurred an alarming rise in white supremacy/neo-Nazism; a prolific liar and grifter who hasn’t seen a law he couldn’t violate, and is thoroughly incapable of even an ounce of decency. And that’s not even an exclusive list! That’s precisely why CNN is being criticized! You cannot normalize or mainstream someone like this and pretend a Trump town hall is a fair undertaking in the spirit of impartiality or pretend the goal is to “inform.” They should stop with the pretense already. Just as they wished to profit in 2015 & 2016 by their endless coverage of Trump, they are now chasing ratings by attempting a redux.
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Post by Lurkingpea on May 12, 2023 16:13:45 GMT
Anderson Cooper spoke out before his show tonight.. OMG, Anderson Cooper could not have been more condescending in this than if he had just said outright that we’re stupidly burying our heads in the sand. OF COURSE we know there’s a probability that Trump could become president again because he’s the GOP frontrunner. And it’s not about Dems in silos who refuse to hear what “the other side” is saying—we already know what the other side stands for because we’ve seen it with our own eyes. Trump was in office for four years; how could we not see the damage he and his MAGA supporters did to our democracy? Trump is not just any regular candidate who should be given the opportunity to present his worldview as if he’s just an Asa Hutchinson or a Nikki Haley or a Vivek Ramaswamy. For god’s sake, he’s a former president who instigated a violent coup; who has been found liable for sexual assault; whose company was cooking the books and defrauding banks and tax bodies; who is now being investigated for a plethora of crimes by federal, state and local prosecutors; whose four-year administration was a bonanza of graft and corruption; whose words spurred an alarming rise in white supremacy/neo-Nazism; a prolific liar and grifter who hasn’t seen a law he couldn’t violate, and is thoroughly incapable of even an ounce of decency. And that’s not even an exclusive list! That’s precisely why CNN is being criticized! You cannot normalize or mainstream someone like this and pretend a Trump town hall is a fair undertaking in the spirit of impartiality or pretend the goal is to “inform.” They should stop with the pretense already. Just as they wished to profit in 2015 & 2016 by their endless coverage of Trump, they are now chasing ratings by attempting a redux. Thank you for articulating this for me. I couldn't figure out how to express how annoyed that video made me. I am 100% done with CNN.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on May 12, 2023 17:09:20 GMT
Thank you for articulating this for me. I couldn't figure out how to express how annoyed that video made me. I am 100% done with CNN. It was incredibly insulting. There’s a term for this—it’s called gaslighting. And even if one chooses to regard this with a more charitable attitude by accepting that a putative goal is to highlight the unfitness of this man to be president to those whose ideology mirrors his, that’s like casting pearls before swine. If they had not facilitated this travesty to begin with, then there would not have been a need for people like Anderson Cooper to embark on damage control by schooling people like me as if we are the problem.
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Post by onelasttime on May 12, 2023 18:16:48 GMT
Daniel Dale - Hi pals! I’m off work for the happiest kind of personal reason. (And, even before that, was enjoying not posting as much to this ever-worse app.) I had a big role in the town hall coverage plan until the personal reason arrived. See you later on air/on“
I read the comments before I listen to what Anderson Cooper had to say. The idea that CNN would give trump a platform to spread his lies had me scratching my head.
But after listening to what he said it does makes sense. He could have left the bit about the silos out but still even there he had a point.
I think it’s fair to say, at this point anyway, the audience that watches CNN includes folks who don’t watch Fox News or the other far right news outlets.
And a lot of people are not always aware of what is happening in politics because they are too busy in their personal lives. Or politics just aren’t there thing.
So if you step back and look at this it does kind of make sense for a network to remind/educate people on who trump is because at this point he is the GOP front runner for President. Especially if CNN believes they are reaching an audience that doesn’t watch Fox. It’s a way to witness first hand what a disgusting individual trump is. Just because a lot of us on this board know what he is doesn’t necessarily mean everyone knows or that they don’t need to be reminded. Reminding people who trump is, is not necessarily “normalizing him” it’s just reminding people.
Daniel Dale is CNN’s fact checker and he was going to play a roll in this town hall but apparently he is a new dad so he more important things to do. Which is too bad as he is pretty good at his job of fact checking. And it might have changed how this town hall was viewed.
I also think they needed a stronger moderator because anybody that questions trump is going to be run over by him and that is what he did from the few clips that I watched. With trump you have two scenarios if you ask questions he doesn’t like 1) He is going to steamroll you 2) he will stomp off the stage and take to social media whining how the liberal press picked on him. They were being mean to him. So you would need a moderator that could handle it. But then maybe there isn’t a interviewer/moderator that could handle trump. I sure wish I knew how Daniel Dale was going to handle the fact checking. Was he going to do it during the town hall meeting or afterwards?
By the way, I would not call Nikki Haley or Vivek Ramaswamy main stream candidates. Or even close to it. IMO both are aspiring to be trump mini mes.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 12, 2023 18:40:24 GMT
There was also a chance some 'moderate' FOX viewers might have tuned into CNN to see their guy there. Remember they hear and see none of the truth on FOX etc. *** There also a way to fact check live. A bit difficult, maybe expensive, but they have multiple people all over. They preplan the questions so they could have many clips etc available to put as as needed, which are coordination with the questions. Just say clip in the ear .. short and sweet.
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Post by onelasttime on May 12, 2023 19:01:13 GMT
We will never know how that town hall would have played out if Daniel Dale had done his thing.
Could they have found another fact checker that has spent as much time as Dale fact-checking trump?
Maybe but we don’t know how much time CNN had to find one to replace Dale.
As it stands now the town hall didn’t go or was received as CNN envisioned.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 12, 2023 19:55:15 GMT
Anderson Cooper spoke out before his show tonight.. OMG, Anderson Cooper could not have been more condescending in this than if he had just said outright that we’re stupidly burying our heads in the sand. OF COURSE we know there’s a probability that Trump could become president again because he’s the GOP frontrunner. And it’s not about Dems in silos who refuse to hear what “the other side” is saying—we already know what the other side stands for because we’ve seen it with our own eyes. Trump was in office for four years; how could we not see the damage he and his MAGA supporters did to our democracy? Trump is not just any regular candidate who should be given the opportunity to present his worldview as if he’s just an Asa Hutchinson or a Nikki Haley or a Vivek Ramaswamy. For god’s sake, he’s a former president who instigated a violent coup; who has been found liable for sexual assault; whose company was cooking the books and defrauding banks and tax bodies; who is now being investigated for a plethora of crimes by federal, state and local prosecutors; whose four-year administration was a bonanza of graft and corruption; whose words spurred an alarming rise in white supremacy/neo-Nazism; a prolific liar and grifter who hasn’t seen a law he couldn’t violate, and is thoroughly incapable of even an ounce of decency. And that’s not even an exclusive list! That’s precisely why CNN is being criticized! You cannot normalize or mainstream someone like this and pretend a Trump town hall is a fair undertaking in the spirit of impartiality or pretend the goal is to “inform.” They should stop with the pretense already. Just as they wished to profit in 2015 & 2016 by their endless coverage of Trump, they are now chasing ratings by attempting a redux. I get what he is saying, though. On Twitter, Jo from Jersey commented how horrible it was for cnn to have him on. But then said she watched because it was important to hear what he was saying. Imo, you can’t have it both ways.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 14, 2023 0:40:36 GMT
Oh crap... TFG has released a video quoting all of the Anderson Cooper response to the town hall, but they inserted Biden instead of TFG... Trump posts doctored video of Anderson Cooper speech mixed with out-of-context Biden clipsDavid McAfee May 13, 2023, 8:11 PM ET In the new clip, Cooper's words are mostly unchanged, but the video is edited to make it appear as though Cooper is referencing Biden and not Trump. Cooper saw his fair share of criticism for the speech, including being accused of "gaslighting" Americans by his own friend. The speech has already been used in memes and in fake clips. Trump himself posted a doctored clip of the same Cooper monologue, but twisted to portray Cooper mocking CNN. "I want to say something about what we witnessed about last night's town hall," Cooper can be seen saying as a video of a Biden town hall appears on the screen. "It was disturbing."
When Cooper talks about Trump's repeated false statements at the town hall, saying it was difficult to fact-check in real time Trump's wave of lies, a video of Biden talking about the Covid-19 vaccines appears on screen www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-mocks-cnn/
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Post by Lurkingpea on May 14, 2023 3:06:44 GMT
We will never know how that town hall would have played out if Daniel Dale had done his thing. Could they have found another fact checker that has spent as much time as Dale fact-checking trump? Maybe but we don’t know how much time CNN had to find one to replace Dale. As it stands now the town hall didn’t go or was received as CNN envisioned. Seems to me they could’ve done their fact checking ahead of time. Doesn’t like Trump dropped any bombshells. He was singing the same songs he’s been singing for years. Election was rigged. Voter fraud. I don’t know that woman…. I bet we all could’ve come up with his talking points before hand. CNN should’ve had some fact checking done before the show even started.
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Post by onelasttime on May 14, 2023 4:03:33 GMT
We will never know how that town hall would have played out if Daniel Dale had done his thing. Could they have found another fact checker that has spent as much time as Dale fact-checking trump? Maybe but we don’t know how much time CNN had to find one to replace Dale. As it stands now the town hall didn’t go or was received as CNN envisioned. Seems to me they could’ve done their fact checking ahead of time. Doesn’t like Trump dropped any bombshells. He was singing the same songs he’s been singing for years. Election was rigged. Voter fraud. I don’t know that woman…. I bet we all could’ve come up with his talking points before hand. CNN should’ve had some fact checking done before the show even started. We have no idea what roll Dale was going to play as fact checker. And because he pulled be out it was decided to drop the segment all together.
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