peabay
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Post by peabay on Jan 8, 2015 0:00:01 GMT
Yes. I respect my pediatrician's opinion, she recommended it. She's vaccinated her own children.
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purplebee
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Post by purplebee on Jan 8, 2015 0:22:27 GMT
Yes, ds 19 received the series when he was 17. No side effects, no reaction. After much research and discussions with healthcare professionals, I and he decided he should have the vaccine.
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finaledition
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Post by finaledition on Jan 8, 2015 0:24:20 GMT
I did for my daughter, but said no several years before saying yes. I said no for my oldest son. I got a lot of push back from his doctor but ultimately the vaccine for males had just been approved and I didn't feel comfortable having him in the first group.
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Post by sarahyoo72 on Jan 8, 2015 0:26:52 GMT
Not yet. It has been offered to DD, but she is petrified of shots, so we have held back her getting it. If we were back in the UK she would not be given the vaccine until 11th grade, she's in 10th now. We will probably get DS vaccinated too before we go back home, I don't think boys are currently offered the vaccine in the UK.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 8, 2015 1:21:48 GMT
my son is an adult so it's a moot point for me. However, if it was available when he was younger I would have. I was dx with stage 2b cervical cancer in 2008. Six chemo treatments and six weeks of 5x week radiation, plus 3 high dose radiation treatments later I'm all for any prevention possible. my Pap smear one month before my dx was "clean".
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melissa
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Post by melissa on Jan 8, 2015 2:32:32 GMT
No question. I have written long posts about this in the past. My daughter chose to be vaccinated with Gardasil at a younger age than I had planned for her. But, when you have a parent with cancer and someone tells you that you can be vaccinated to prevent at least one form of cancer, you might just jump at the opportunity too.
When I read this sort of thing, I am reminded of how little we, as a culture, retain of our own history. We forget that prior to the widespread use of pap smears to screen for cervical cancer and eventually also pre-cancerous lesions, cervical cancer was the NUMBER ONE cause of death due to cancer in women. This was above the current number one, lung cancer, and the usual most often feared, breast cancer. It was once one of the very top causes of death among women of childbearing age. It wasn't all that long ago, but it was also an era when people often did not use the word "cancer" in public or even with relatives, especially a cancer of the female genital tract. The rate of cervical cancer was high enough back then (think 1950's and earlier) that any of us here are likely to have had at least one family member who died from it- maybe a grandmother, great grandmother, great aunt, cousin, etc.
One of my favorite arguments is that this is really all about doctor's making money. I find that one hilarious. Why the heck would an entire specialty (ob/gyn) embrace a vaccine that cuts down on money in our pockets? All those genital wart cases we treat, all those abnormal paps? Those are bread and butter procedures in this field. The screening for paps has already decreased. I guarantee that there will be different screening timelines in the future for the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Just keep in mind that we cannot predict the onset of sexual activity and this vaccine is best given before that time.. and that doesn't mean before intercourse specifically. Remember that HPV is so very common. And, as someone else mentioned in this thread, I don't know any other healthcare providers personally who have not vaccinated their own children.
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luvnlifelady
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Post by luvnlifelady on Jan 8, 2015 2:45:03 GMT
I have a 14 yo DS and 17 yo DD. So far, we have not done it even though I am not usually against vaccinations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 2:55:37 GMT
The screening for paps has already decreased. What does this mean? And why has it decreased?
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AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on Jan 8, 2015 2:58:30 GMT
Our pediatricians completely backed our decision to let our daughters choose. One said she was doing the same with her daughter, one said she caved to pressure and had her girls both vaccinated and one said she was on the fence and was thankful her girl was stil so young. All of them stated that this was not a no-brainer decision like the other vaccines they give.
Two of them voiced similar opinions about the chicken pox vaccine when it came out.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 8, 2015 3:03:56 GMT
The screening for paps has already decreased. What does this mean? And why has it decreased? The current recommendation for paps is now every three years, rather than annually.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 8, 2015 3:08:00 GMT
If I had a daughter, I would have had her vaccinated. I have a son, and I have so far not seen or heard any compelling reasons for having him vaccinated. The vaccine was originally for girls only. The initial reasoning for boys to be vaccinated was that not enough girls were receiving the vaccine. We discussed it with our Dr and he said (if I remember correctly- it was several years ago) that there was only a rare chance of a boy getting hpv related cancer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 3:20:37 GMT
What does this mean? And why has it decreased? The current recommendation for paps is now every three years, rather than annually. Okay, just wanted to clarify that's what she meant. I still get mine annually and will continue to even if I have to pay for them out of pocket. My HMO still covers them annually. If we assume that Paps are now every 3 years because the rates of cervical cancer are going down, how does this relate to Gardasil being MORE necessary? That's where I get confused. Pap tests are responsible for the huge decline in cervical cancer rates, right? Why are they being recommended so much more infrequently (every 3 years instead of 1 year) - don't we want to keep preventing it at the same rate or better? (I hope none of my questions come off as snarky. I'm *really* trying to understand this. Whenever I've had these questions on past Gardasil threads, here and at the old board, the thread would die before they were answered).
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Post by YooHoot on Jan 8, 2015 3:25:44 GMT
Oldest did, youngest has started her series. My gyn said this will put her out of business( kidding of course but she supports it).
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 8, 2015 3:27:04 GMT
Yes. I respect my pediatrician's opinion, she recommended it. She's vaccinated her own children. This. Yes for both my sons. I trust my pediatrician to know more about this than I do. My college roommate is an OB/GYN and she also vaccinated both her daughters.
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Mary Kay Lady
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Jan 8, 2015 3:40:19 GMT
I have 2 sons, ages 21 & 15. I am pro vaccines, but have chosen not to have them vaccinated against HPV. HPV is a STD. It is only transmitted via sexual contact.
Measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc. are viral infections. Of course I want to protect them from contracting such diseases.
If/when they choose to become sexually active my hope is that they will make responsible choices.
I waited for them to get the chicken pox shot because I wanted more research available before I decided for them to get it.
I'm not convinced that the HPV vaccine is safe/without risks.
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Post by scrappinjen on Jan 8, 2015 3:41:37 GMT
My 2 sons have started the series and no adverse reactions at all. My other 3 kids will get it as well. I had cervical cancer that was caused by HPV so if I can prevent that for them I will.
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melissa
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Post by melissa on Jan 8, 2015 3:50:17 GMT
This is not because of the vaccine. This recommendation began before we would see the results of the vaccine on the target population in a large enough fashion. My point, we have already decreased the frequency with which pap smears are done in women without a history of HPV or abn paps. This will likely further impact those recommendations. The point is that there will be EVEN less of a need for paps in women who have been vaccinated.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 8, 2015 3:52:35 GMT
My son is 11 and they have asked about it but I have declined I just don't feel there is enough history with this yet. He has had all his other vaccines with no problems but for some reason I am hesitant of this one. I know on the old 2Peas there were several parents whose sons or someone they knew that had had a bad reaction ones that could have been very bad if they hadn't stayed at the doctors office or hospital for the 30 mins past the shot. I just don't want to risk it.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 8, 2015 3:56:04 GMT
My oldest is twelve, and we have not yet decided. A friend of mine's son had an adverse reaction, which doesn't mean I will not have my kids get vaccinated (they have been vaccinated for everything else), but I want to do some basic research and consultation with immunologist friends first.
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theshyone
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Post by theshyone on Jan 8, 2015 4:54:02 GMT
my son is an adult so it's a moot point for me. However, if it was available when he was younger I would have. I was dx with stage 2b cervical cancer in 2008. Six chemo treatments and six weeks of 5x week radiation, plus 3 high dose radiation treatments later I'm all for any prevention possible. my Pap smear one month before my dx was "clean". Is that one of the types it protects against?
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Post by padresfan619 on Jan 8, 2015 4:57:15 GMT
I have 2 sons, ages 21 & 15. I am pro vaccines, but have chosen not to have them vaccinated against HPV. HPV is a STD. It is only transmitted via sexual contact. Measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc. are viral infections. Of course I want to protect them from contracting such diseases. If/when they choose to become sexually active my hope is that they will make responsible choices. I waited for them to get the chicken pox shot because I wanted more research available before I decided for them to get it. I'm not convinced that the HPV vaccine is safe/without risks. HPV can be transmitted through skin to skin contact, even with condom use. And as far as I know there is no way to test boys and men for HPV but they can be carriers. I can respect you wanting your boys to make safe decisions, but they could use a condon and still contract HPV and not ever know it. And possibly pass it on to another partner.
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Post by shanniebananie on Jan 8, 2015 5:01:26 GMT
I have a high school friend with 2 daughters in their late teens and early 20s. One had a baby a few months ago (premature) and the other is 7 months pregnant and on total bed rest. Both had problems in their pregnancies with the placenta separating and beginning to show of dying. According to her, there are 4 other young women in the hospital with her daughter that have the exact same problems. Apparently (according to her) this is not uncommon and is a known long term side effect of the HPV vaccination. I have no idea how true this is, but there are several people on her Facebook feed saying they have heard the same thing.
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theshyone
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Post by theshyone on Jan 8, 2015 5:06:31 GMT
No question. I have written long posts about this in the past. My daughter chose to be vaccinated with Gardasil at a younger age than I had planned for her. But, when you have a parent with cancer and someone tells you that you can be vaccinated to prevent at least one form of cancer, you might just jump at the opportunity too. When I read this sort of thing, I am reminded of how little we, as a culture, retain of our own history. We forget that prior to the widespread use of pap smears to screen for cervical cancer and eventually also pre-cancerous lesions, cervical cancer was the NUMBER ONE cause of death due to cancer in women. This was above the current number one, lung cancer, and the usual most often feared, breast cancer. It was once one of the very top causes of death among women of childbearing age. It wasn't all that long ago, but it was also an era when people often did not use the word "cancer" in public or even with relatives, especially a cancer of the female genital tract. The rate of cervical cancer was high enough back then (think 1950's and earlier) that any of us here are likely to have had at least one family member who died from it- maybe a grandmother, great grandmother, great aunt, cousin, etc. One of my favorite arguments is that this is really all about doctor's making money. I find that one hilarious. Why the heck would an entire specialty (ob/gyn) embrace a vaccine that cuts down on money in our pockets? All those genital wart cases we treat, all those abnormal paps? Those are bread and butter procedures in this field. The screening for paps has already decreased. I guarantee that there will be different screening timelines in the future for the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Just keep in mind that we cannot predict the onset of sexual activity and this vaccine is best given before that time.. and that doesn't mean before intercourse specifically. Remember that HPV is so very common. And, as someone else mentioned in this thread, I don't know any other healthcare providers personally who have not vaccinated their own children. Why are the recommendations reducing apps to three years if the annual pap worked well? Won't that just increase the rates again? If it's too soon to tell if the HPV widely works, why reduce prior to it being commonly used? Im so confused on this.bsome general thoughts, not directed at Melissa. and why fifth grade? Why that specific grade. Anywhere from 8-11 in fifth grade. That is a huge age range gap. as for why my doctor recommended it now? Because it's covered. That's not a good enough medical reasoning for me. Neither is because annual apps will no longer be covered.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 5:17:06 GMT
This is not because of the vaccine. This recommendation began before we would see the results of the vaccine on the target population in a large enough fashion. My point, we have already decreased the frequency with which pap smears are done in women without a history of HPV or abn paps. This will likely further impact those recommendations. The point is that there will be EVEN less of a need for paps in women who have been vaccinated. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Thanks Melissa. I understand that the reason Pap frequency has been decreased is *not* because of Gardasil; it would be too early to see a cause/effect there. I assume it's because we've gotten the cervical cancer rates so low that "they" don't feel Paps are necessary as often (nothing to do with Gardasil). So I think you're saying that - with the reduction in Paps already, due to the success of Paps - then if we add the reduction in cervical cancer they think we'll see due to Gardasil - that Paps will eventually be necessary even less frequently than every 3 years. Am I following that correctly? What I'm saying/asking is: If Paps were already doing such a great job at reducing the incidence of cervical cancer, improving early detection, and therefore making cases more treatable . . . 1. Why are we now doing them LESS frequently (like a LOT less frequently) if they were doing such a good job? 2. Why not keep doing them annually and avoid subjecting our children to another (unproven long-term) vaccination until we're more sure about it? This is a tangent to the Gardasil discussion but I also wonder if changing Paps to every 3 years will have the side effect of less women getting annual pelvic / breast / general health exams, and mammograms. Do you guys think that will happen? And back to Gardasil: I'd love to see a statistical breakdown re: what types of HPV it guards against, how effective it is against those types of HPV, how often those types of HPV cause cervical cancer, and when all broken down, what is a statistic that tells me the chances of a. getting cervical cancer at all, and b. getting the type of cervical cancer that Gardasil works to prevent. I think it gives a false sense of security and that's one of my problems with it. ETA: theshyone, I was typing my long ol' post at the same time you posted. Sorry to copy you
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Post by scrappergonewild on Jan 8, 2015 5:28:23 GMT
I have a high school friend with 2 daughters in their late teens and early 20s. One had a baby a few months ago (premature) and the other is 7 months pregnant and on total bed rest. Both had problems in their pregnancies with the placenta separating and beginning to show of dying. According to her, there are 4 other young women in the hospital with her daughter that have the exact same problems. Apparently (according to her) this is not uncommon and is a known long term side effect of the HPV vaccination. I have no idea how true this is, but there are several people on her Facebook feed saying they have heard the same thing. I am sorry but this sounds like urban myth, chain letter BS.
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LeaP
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Post by LeaP on Jan 8, 2015 7:02:21 GMT
Two daughters , both vaccinated. It was three shots for the eldest, and now only two for the youngest.
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Post by mom2samlibby on Jan 8, 2015 7:17:13 GMT
Once again we are facing this decision. once again I'm torn. My sister had a cervical cancer that would not have been protected against my kids have bad reactions to every single vaccine ever given. I won't vaccinate mine with this one, and I especially wouldn't if my kids have reacted to vaccines already. healthimpactnews.com/2014/gardasil-vaccine-one-more-girl-dead/
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Post by penny on Jan 8, 2015 9:57:04 GMT
I'm in my late 30's and getting the vaccine... I've tested positive for one of the high risk strains, but the likelihood that I have all of them is statistically small so I've opted to get the vaccine 'better late than never' so to speak to protect myself from the strains I don't have... There are risks for males as well... Various cancers of the genitals, mouth, neck, throat, and head cancers, and of course the risk of passing it along to people they're with... And it can be passed along without intercourse - it can be found on the inner thighs for example... In one of the largest studies done, they found that HPV could spread without any sexual contact... It can be passed by contact that happens in sports and in daily human contact... So if I had sons, I would be opting to get them vaccinated... Link to article about that study m.livescience.com/16665-hpv-transmission-rates-20-percent.htmlI understand that some people do have reactions to vaccines that mean it's not a good choice for them... Outside of that, I think that a lot of fears about vaccines is due to Andrew Wakefield and the attention his 'study' brought to vaccines... I'm not saying that vaccines should automatically be trusted, but a decade of media coverage that showed only the widespread harm vaccines could inflict based on his fabricated evidence can have a huge impact on how society's gut reaction to vaccines in general... For me, I looked at the information about this vaccine specifically and tried to stay away from a lot of the what-ifs... For me, it makes sense and I would vaccinate male and female children...
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Post by heartcat on Jan 8, 2015 10:11:12 GMT
No, I have not had dd or ds vaccinated at this point in time.
I am another who is not anti-vaccine whatsoever, I even had my youngest two vaccinated against chicken pox, but there is something about this one that gives me pause and my gut reaction from the beginning has been not to.
I have not liked the big 'push' to vaccinate girls at a specific age, en masse at schools here. I do not like that they make an issue of the fact that the government will pay to vaccinate at that time, but if a parent chooses to delay and then requests the vaccine a year or two later, they will have to pay for it out of pocket. I think that that puts unfair pressure on lower income families and does not really given them a true 'choice'. We can afford to pay for it should we choose, but there are others who might not have the same option.
I admit that I am leery, despite approval from the medical field. Doctors are not infallible, and neither are drug companies. Merck is the same company that produced Vioxx (sp?) which was later recalled and deemed to possibly cause heart issues and I remember that there was some question about negative results and criticisms being swept under the table. And many doctors were on board with Thalidomide decades ago, and we all know that proved to be a disaster.
It is not one of those vaccines like most childhood vaccines where it is impossible otherwise to avoid the disease, where the disease once contracted is inevitably a terrible thing, and where the vaccine 'will' protect against the disease. Something like the polio vaccine, for example. Most people have or have had HPV with no negative effects. Gardasil does not guarantee that someone will not get HPV or that they will not contract cancer. In that respect, it is different from other vaccines in that respect.
I would never try to convince anyone else that they 'shouldn't' vaccinate, nor do I think doing so is some terrible mistake that they will later regret. On many levels it seems to me that this vaccine could indeed be a potential lifesaver for some. It is possible that it is a miracle vaccination with no potential negative repercussions.
But my gut reaction from the beginning has been to be wary, and I just have not been comfortable yet with making the decision for my children to have them vaccinated.
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Post by oliquig on Jan 8, 2015 11:25:26 GMT
www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm096052.htm70% of cervical cancer, and 90% of genital warts can be eliminated by use of this vaccine. There is a new version that will cover even more cancerous strains. As for the age, it is done so it is given with other shots, and hopefully before sexual activity is an idea in their heads. To negate arguments that this is permission to have sex.
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