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Post by SnowWhite on Jan 30, 2015 18:45:26 GMT
That type of 'training' may be recommended by ONE vet (who may or may not be an asshole pet owner), that does not mean it's a widespread recommendation. I don't know...a vet who volunteers her services at the spca can't be much of an asshole. Any vet that recommends locking a cat in a dog crate in the garage for a month is an asshole in my book.
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Post by scorpeao on Jan 30, 2015 18:46:25 GMT
Well I'll be sure to let her know that Snow White thinks she's an asshole.
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Post by momof3pits on Jan 30, 2015 18:46:37 GMT
Honestly you think I should have kept a cat that was peeing on my food? Peeing in the baby's pack and play. I dealt with it for months, I took him to the vet, I tried every trick out there I had litter boxes in every area of my house I thought he was using and guess what, he just went somewhere else. While I believe in taking in a pet for life, I also was about to lose my income over it as parents were threatening to pull their children..and honstly I can't blame them! and then neither he, nor my family would have a place to live. Would you want to bring you young children to a house that smells of cat pee? would you want your children coming home smelling of cat pee? I was in a lose lose situation. I didn't take him to the SPCA, I didn't take him to a rescue, but I gave him to a very good friend who is able to spend more time with him trying to figure out what was going on with him in his little head. He was NOT declawed and he was neutered. What choices does a person in this situation have? I have a son with asthma who was constantly having asthma attacks because the cat peed in his room every chance he got. I had no choice! Was anyone attacking you? You obviously made a responsible choice by rehoming him. Thanks for not locking him in a cage in the basement. I'm getting more and more pissed just thinking about that. Yea, I didn't think I was attacking her.. She made the best decision and rehomed. I thought my post was more specific to dumping pets in shelters since I was responding to a shelter volunteer.. I think there's a difference in trying to do what's best for an animal and not wanting to put in any effort so just dropping off at a shelter and wiping your hands of the responsibility. Now, I'm curious to know what a cat cage is.. Is it just like a dog crate?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 18:49:39 GMT
Honestly you think I should have kept a cat that was peeing on my food? Peeing in the baby's pack and play. I dealt with it for months, I took him to the vet, I tried every trick out there I had litter boxes in every area of my house I thought he was using and guess what, he just went somewhere else. While I believe in taking in a pet for life, I also was about to lose my income over it as parents were threatening to pull their children..and honstly I can't blame them! and then neither he, nor my family would have a place to live. Would you want to bring you young children to a house that smells of cat pee? would you want your children coming home smelling of cat pee? I was in a lose lose situation. I didn't take him to the SPCA, I didn't take him to a rescue, but I gave him to a very good friend who is able to spend more time with him trying to figure out what was going on with him in his little head. He was NOT declawed and he was neutered. What choices does a person in this situation have? I have a son with asthma who was constantly having asthma attacks because the cat peed in his room every chance he got. I had no choice! You have to do what you feel is right in your situation. I'm glad your friend was able to give him a good home and work with him. Was she able to figure out what was going on and correct the behavior? as of yet, she has not been able to stop him completely. But she lives in a house with very little carpeting and has ceramic tile all over her main floor, so it's easier for her to clean up. We rent and have carpeting and i just couldn't afford to lose my home. Trust me, I did it with a very heavy heart. I'm not one to give up. We dealt with it full force for 6 months, but honestly he was doing it a lot longer than that, but not constantly. It got to the point that I would clean one area as he was peeing in another. The vet couldn't figure him out and it didn't matter what I tried he was not stopping. He was definitely spraying his territory, he got my drapes, my couch and loveseat and a few other places that he couldn't just "pee" on. I believe he's just a stubborn boy.
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Post by Nink on Jan 30, 2015 18:50:28 GMT
I find your whole post sad. Thank you for volunteering at the shelter. I really hate when people abandon an animal they have committed to for a behavioral issue short of aggression that cannot be changed with behaviorial or medical intervention. I also didn't know until reading it here that you really shouldn't declaw your cats. DH is allergic so I've never owned one. Fingers crossed that you can get something figured out for your kitties, OP. I don't really have experience or insight on cats, but didn't want to read and run! Honestly you think I should have kept a cat that was peeing on my food? Peeing in the baby's pack and play. I dealt with it for months, I took him to the vet, I tried every trick out there I had litter boxes in every area of my house I thought he was using and guess what, he just went somewhere else. While I believe in taking in a pet for life, I also was about to lose my income over it as parents were threatening to pull their children..and honstly I can't blame them! and then neither he, nor my family would have a place to live. Would you want to bring you young children to a house that smells of cat pee? would you want your children coming home smelling of cat pee? I was in a lose lose situation. I didn't take him to the SPCA, I didn't take him to a rescue, but I gave him to a very good friend who is able to spend more time with him trying to figure out what was going on with him in his little head. He was NOT declawed and he was neutered. What choices does a person in this situation have? I have a son with asthma who was constantly having asthma attacks because the cat peed in his room every chance he got. I had no choice! I didn't get the impression that the post was directed at you specifically. I think she was referring to people who take their cat/dog to the shelter because they don't want to be bothered with trying to correct whatever issue they are having. In your particular case you did the right thing. Found it a good home. As for declawing, I don't know that that is the problem the OP is having, just another thing to consider. I'm sorry you had to get rid of your kitty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 19:13:51 GMT
Honestly you think I should have kept a cat that was peeing on my food? Peeing in the baby's pack and play. I dealt with it for months, I took him to the vet, I tried every trick out there I had litter boxes in every area of my house I thought he was using and guess what, he just went somewhere else. While I believe in taking in a pet for life, I also was about to lose my income over it as parents were threatening to pull their children..and honstly I can't blame them! and then neither he, nor my family would have a place to live. Would you want to bring you young children to a house that smells of cat pee? would you want your children coming home smelling of cat pee? I was in a lose lose situation. I didn't take him to the SPCA, I didn't take him to a rescue, but I gave him to a very good friend who is able to spend more time with him trying to figure out what was going on with him in his little head. He was NOT declawed and he was neutered. What choices does a person in this situation have? I have a son with asthma who was constantly having asthma attacks because the cat peed in his room every chance he got. I had no choice! I didn't get the impression that the post was directed at you specifically. I think she was referring to people who take their cat/dog to the shelter because they don't want to be bothered with trying to correct whatever issue they are having. In your particular case you did the right thing. Found it a good home. As for declawing, I don't know that that is the problem the OP is having, just another thing to consider. I'm sorry you had to get rid of your kitty. maybe not...but I have a lot of guilt for not being able to keep my boy. Unfortunately not everyone can keep a problem kitty and every situation is different. But I would never dump him at a shelter...i couldn't do that to him! I had to find someone who would love and spoil him and fortunately I was able to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 19:20:44 GMT
If you ripped out my finger and toe nails I'd sure as hell pee on your stuff too.
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Post by Nink on Jan 30, 2015 19:55:43 GMT
If you ripped out my finger and toe nails I'd sure as hell pee on your stuff too. I'm holding out hope that maybe she adopted them that way. If not, completely agree.
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Post by gorgeouskid on Jan 30, 2015 20:13:12 GMT
We had a cat who did this. The only solution was not to leave anything in a heap. The catboxes were cleaned at least twice a day as well. There was nothing wrong with her physically.
We called her the clean clothes police.
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Post by kristalina on Jan 30, 2015 20:17:12 GMT
My male cat started peeing everywhere and it was frequent, like 15 minutes between pees. The vet tested for bladder infection and he was clear. He diagnosed my cat to have an "angry bladder" or irritated for no reason. I had to super-hydrate him (inject a saline solution into the scruff of his neck - NOT fun) daily for about 3 weeks. At the same time we started feeding him wet food mixed with about 1/2 cup of water every morning.
This ended his behavior. He wasn't defiant, he wasn't an asshole, he just had an irritated bladder that needed to be flushed out.
Also, if you feed your male cat a food with a high ash content (Yes, purina is high in ash) it can build up in his urinary tract and make it difficult to pee. They start peeing everywhere with this problem too. I lost a male cat to urinary problems before I knew about the ash in cat food.
And for the record. I DO NOT think isolating a cat in a basement cat cage will make him realize you don't like where he pees.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Jan 30, 2015 20:39:52 GMT
Well I'll be sure to let her know that Snow White thinks she's an asshole. Yubon too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 20:46:58 GMT
Lots to consider...I'm a little sad, wondering if this is just a behavioral thing for one of them. I think I know which one it probably is, as I had caught him once about to go on dirty laundry.
As for declawing...this was going on prior to that. We got them at 8 weeks and it pretty much was just here and there from the start, once they weren't confined to a smaller area to get them adapted to being in our house. They did great during declawing healing, used paper based litter, etc. Almost every cat I've owned has been declawed, only had issues with regrowth on 1 cat and my BFF is a vet. I'm aware of the drawbacks.
I'm going to start with transitioning back to Iams and insist on every day cleaning. If necessary, I can put a box on the main floor. We'll have to see from there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 20:51:58 GMT
And, as for leaving heaps, I agree. We stopped with the dirty laundry heaps, which has been a major feat with kids and DH and I both working. Now, though, it's jumping up and peeing on clean clothes! Ick, ick, ick!!! I guess I can see where they may gravitate towards dirty/odor items as part of their nature of being cats, but it's the fact that it may be a behavioral thing going on.
And yes, we can get them back to the vet for a check if it continues. BFF/vet thought it was a litter box issue, but I've never had a cat that was so fussy if that's it.
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Post by Nink on Jan 30, 2015 21:00:23 GMT
As for declawing...this was going on prior to that. We got them at 8 weeks and it pretty much was just here and there from the start, once they weren't confined to a smaller area to get them adapted to being in our house. They did great during declawing healing, used paper based litter, etc. Almost every cat I've owned has been declawed, only had issues with regrowth on 1 cat and my BFF is a vet. I'm aware of the drawbacks. Well you just lost my support. You deserve everything the cat throws at you. Peace out.
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Post by sisterbdsq on Jan 30, 2015 21:06:09 GMT
My 18 year old cat does this every time he gets bent out of shape for some offence against him. He is a cat. I'm never quite sure what offence I have committed, but that's because clearly I am a stupid member of the human race. Sometimes you just have to teach us a lesson by creating extra work. I find immediate wash, hot water, oxyclean and soaking, twice, gets the odor out. At least you know your place!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 30, 2015 21:09:36 GMT
Vinegar gets the smell out too. I have an old ancient cat that has decided she's done with litter boxes. She goes right next to the litter box instead. But if the kids leave clothes on floor, she'll pee on the clothes instead. Vet said that her arthritis might be the the reason she refuses to use the box. So I plopped down $40 for a box with a ramp to make it easier on her. I got the 'Bitch, please' look from her. Still pees next to the $40 litter box with a ramp. ^^^ arthritis, huh?? We have three cats, and one of ours just started doing this not long after we got the 3rd one. She kept 'missing' the litter box, right outside the opening. So I bought two very expensive, extra-large covered litter boxes, and an even more expensive rubber mat that goes underneath both of them... left the lid off, thinking she didn't like going in it, tried to make sure the boxes were clean, etc. etc. and she STILL hangs her back end out of the box and pees right in FRONT of the box. She is starting to get old and crochety... it's annoying, but at least she confines it to this space, and doesn't go anywhere else. I figure she's getting claustrophobic in her old age. and FTR, we have gotten all of our cats front declawed, and this is the only one that has ever had a litter box issue. (and I'm guessing georgiapea means one of those really big cat cages that cat breeders/showpeople have??)
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Post by Merge on Jan 30, 2015 21:23:21 GMT
I don't know the answer to the problem but I have a cat locked in a cat cage in the basement for that same action. Day 1 he pooped on our bed. Day 2, am he peed on our bed. Day 2, afternoon, he pooped right in the middle of a sweatshirt I'd laid on the bed. He will be there for 30 days. As for litter pans we have 2, 1 on each level of the house, plus he has access to outside. We scoop the litter each time it's used. I took his actions as defiance. Hopefully his time in 'purgatory' will be enough that the offensive behavior will not be repeated. Please tell me you're joking.
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Post by craftykitten on Jan 30, 2015 21:44:42 GMT
I don't know the answer to the problem but I have a cat locked in a cat cage in the basement for that same action. Day 1 he pooped on our bed. Day 2, am he peed on our bed. Day 2, afternoon, he pooped right in the middle of a sweatshirt I'd laid on the bed. He will be there for 30 days. As for litter pans we have 2, 1 on each level of the house, plus he has access to outside. We scoop the litter each time it's used. I took his actions as defiance. Hopefully his time in 'purgatory' will be enough that the offensive behavior will not be repeated. You deserve every bit of it and if I was your cat I'd poop on your bed too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 21:59:16 GMT
I don't know the answer to the problem but I have a cat locked in a cat cage in the basement for that same action. Day 1 he pooped on our bed. Day 2, am he peed on our bed. Day 2, afternoon, he pooped right in the middle of a sweatshirt I'd laid on the bed. He will be there for 30 days. As for litter pans we have 2, 1 on each level of the house, plus he has access to outside. We scoop the litter each time it's used. I took his actions as defiance. Hopefully his time in 'purgatory' will be enough that the offensive behavior will not be repeated. You deserve every bit of it and if I was your cat I'd poop on your bed too. Agreed but I wouldn't poop on her bed, I'd do it somewhere stealthy. You know so they could smell it but not find it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 22:02:02 GMT
You should be ashamed and never own a cat again. How can you mutilate your pets?
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Post by sisterbdsq on Jan 31, 2015 0:28:27 GMT
Well I'll be sure to let her know that Snow White thinks she's an asshole. You'd be surprised at how many people "in the industry" are asshole pet owners, don't even really LIKE animals and are irresponsible fuckwigs who throw out shit advice. You got one. People who pretend to advocate for animals who shouldn't pet a cat much less have one in their care.
Who advocates locking a cat in a garage, in a cage, alone and afraid with no interaction and thinks that said cat would then magically jump into your arms and trust you after you then take it to the vet for major surgery? Someone who doesn't know animal behavior and should refrain from doling out advice to people who trust them. Shame on this asshole. Add me to the list of people who think, scratch that, KNOW, that this vet is an asshole. Someone has to graduate at the bottom of the class though, huh?
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Post by Nink on Jan 31, 2015 0:49:44 GMT
So I googled cat cage and this is what came up. I still can't imagine locking my cat in there for 30 days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 0:53:52 GMT
Can I have one of these cats? I will keep her indoors all the time, she will have the run of the house. I will put kitty litters in every bathroom and the laundry room. She can sleep beside me if she wants. I will trim her nails. She will be pissed off at me because that's what cats do. I will get her spayed and treat her like the queen she is. Please?
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Post by chaosisapony on Jan 31, 2015 1:28:58 GMT
This thread makes me so sad on so many levels.
I read an article just the other day that referenced a study about cats with litter box issues. A very high percentage (I don't remember the number or where I read the article or I would post the link) were found, upon a vet examination, to be in extreme pain due to their declawing procedure. Like there were lots of little bone chips and things bound up in their paws. It was so sad. They are in pain and can't express it.
I will just say the one cat I have had in my whole life that peed inappropriately was declawed. The only other cat I have known with this issue (peed on beds, couches, laundry, etc) belonged to a friend and she was also a declawed animal. I really don't think it's a coincidence. Cats are supposed to have claws, if that doesn't work for you pick another animal to own.
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Post by raindancer on Jan 31, 2015 2:01:04 GMT
My 18 year old cat does this every time he gets bent out of shape for some offence against him. He is a cat. I'm never quite sure what offence I have committed, but that's because clearly I am a stupid member of the human race. Sometimes you just have to teach us a lesson by creating extra work. I find immediate wash, hot water, oxyclean and soaking, twice, gets the odor out. At least you know your place! Right? BTW he is not declawed. He's just the ruler. Kings are permitted to do whatever they want. He has even pee'd on my clothes left outside the shower. In front of me. While giving me the stink eye. He is pretty intentional with his efforts. He also loves my dh. He has never pee'd on his stuff.
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Post by uksue on Jan 31, 2015 2:31:39 GMT
I was talking to my vet about declawing last week as I don't know a single person here in the UK that thinks declawing is humane. I find it so sad that an animal is mutilated in that way just to make them more acceptable as a pet.
By the way my Vet also hates Iams and believes its one of the worst foods for causing kidney disease . She feeds her cats Hills science plan. I've never used it but am considering trying it for my two boys as I have found somewhere online that has a really good discount at the moment.
As for locking a cat in a cage for 30 days.... there are no words.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Jan 31, 2015 3:30:07 GMT
Youngish cats will sometimes use things that are roughly the shape or size of a catbox. Think little kids too busy to take the time to go inside to pee; especially little boys. The other would just mark over top of the other whether it be a UTI or using the basket out of lazy convenience.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jan 31, 2015 3:34:46 GMT
Yeah, we'll have to start cleaning every day, no exceptions. They had clean health when they had their last visit, although mentioning bladder issues make me wonder if switching food would help. We started on Iams and switched to a high end Purina at some point. Maybe we'll try going back. I'm just worried this is just a "thing" with some cats. Besides that, I don't know which of them is doing it for sure. Thanks for the input! But did the doctor check for urinary issues? He would probably need to do a urine sample which she wouldn't do unless there was some reason to suspect a problem.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 31, 2015 9:57:39 GMT
I was talking to my vet about declawing last week as I don't know a single person here in the UK that thinks declawing is humane. I find it so sad that an animal is mutilated in that way just to make them more acceptable as a pet. By the way my Vet also hates Iams and believes its one of the worst foods for causing kidney disease . She feeds her cats Hills science plan. I've never used it but am considering trying it for my two boys as I have found somewhere online that has a really good discount at the moment. As for locking a cat in a cage for 30 days.... there are no words. Particularly with regard to declawing and confinement. The only cat I ever had with a peeing problem had a UTI caused by eating dried food. We feed a mixture of wet and dried now. uksue go through Quidco for a cashback on your purchase.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 10:07:17 GMT
Do people still declaw cats in Canada? I have never heard of it. I just trimmed my "the cat's" nails. (Roommate's cat that loved me). She had really sharp claws and I would trim them every so often. I had never, ever thought about declawing a cat. I didn't know it could be done even until i read about it online. (I wouldn't say I am out of the loop. I just don't think it's something practiced here among cat owners). Carley didn't scratch anything. She batted things but she did not scratch. My friends who have cats (let's say from age 19-75) none of them have ever had a cat declawed. My Granny had a horrible cat named Trixie. She was a miserable cat. She would jump on your leg and claw you for no reason. (The a$$hole cat syndrome). She kept her and if a cat needed to be declawed it would have been HER. Nope. Never even heard of it. Granny kept her until she was 20 or 21. She was an old, old cat and one day didn't wake up anymore. I don't think Grandpa liked her much but Granny really liked her. She had persians before that as well. (My mom recalls about 3 growing up).
The cats ruled the house. There were no gates, cages, anything to stop the cat(s) from going anywhere they weren't supposed to be. They were the princesses of the kingdom.
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