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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 3, 2015 14:19:22 GMT
While I totally get the sentiment, this implies that those with food-allergic kids are also anti-vaxxers. I have a food-allergic kid, who thankfully has only had allergic reactions ingesting the allergen so the no pb sandwiches, for us, is a non-issue. But, I am firmly in the camp of "vaccinate your kid!". I just wish it had been worded slightly differently so it didn't seem like parents of food allergic kids = anti-vaxxers. Oh...see, now that isn't the way I interpreted it all! In fact, my son and I had this discussion last night and we both were on the side of if one is dangerous and potentially life threatening, why isn't the other? Neither of us thought that the allergy parents were the same as those who choose (excluding those with medical reasons) to not vaccinate. Apparently, the kids were talking about it in their health class and the consensus was that rules should apply across the board and the kids were all about a fair application of the rules.
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Feb 3, 2015 14:44:18 GMT
While I totally get the sentiment, this implies that those with food-allergic kids are also anti-vaxxers. I have a food-allergic kid, who thankfully has only had allergic reactions ingesting the allergen so the no pb sandwiches, for us, is a non-issue. But, I am firmly in the camp of "vaccinate your kid!". I just wish it had been worded slightly differently so it didn't seem like parents of food allergic kids = anti-vaxxers. Oh...see, now that isn't the way I interpreted it all! In fact, my son and I had this discussion last night and we both were on the side of if one is dangerous and potentially life threatening, why isn't the other? Neither of us thought that the allergy parents were the same as those who choose (excluding those with medical reasons) to not vaccinate. Apparently, the kids were talking about it in their health class and the consensus was that rules should apply across the board and the kids were all about a fair application of the rules. I totally understand that if one situation is life-threatening (food allergies) and we ban or put into place precautions to keep those children safe, we absolutely need to do the same that would keep the majority of our children safe (vaccines). I don't know, the wording of it seemed a bit "off" to me. I totally get the sentiment and I agree with it 100%, but there's something about the way it's written that turns me off a bit....maybe because I've often heard we should keep our allergy kids at home if they're **that** allergic to "X" allergen. Maybe I'm just more prickly about it than I should be.
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Post by beebee on Feb 3, 2015 15:58:27 GMT
The vaccine debate is all over the news today. Besides Chris Christie's comments, they are replaying Rand Paul's comments over and over where he is talking about knowing "many" people who had "walking and talking" children who then had "mental disorders" after receiving the vaccine. He, a doctor, is perpetuating the myth and giving more credence to the anti-vaccine crowd. It is irresponsible. Rand Paul adding fuel to the fireCheck out Pans or Pandas. It is not a myth. It does happen. With that said, I have not checked out the link you posted. I am only commenting on what you wrote.
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 3, 2015 16:02:16 GMT
Ugh. I really do not understand how, with politicians, this is an issue that seems to be breaking left/right politically, since I do not feel like it maps on at all to people who vote Democrat/Republican. As I posted when we first started talking about it, politically, this seems to be an issue where most people are on the side of "vaccinate" and the anti-vaxxers are a combination of fringy left "cure it all with breastmilk" people and fringy right "government is evil" people.
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Post by rebelyelle on Feb 3, 2015 16:11:28 GMT
Check out Pans or Pandas. It is not a myth. It does happen. With that said, I have not checked out the link you posted. I am only commenting on what you wrote. It's my understanding that PANS is generally associated with actual infections/viruses - not vaccines.
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Post by rebelyelle on Feb 3, 2015 16:18:32 GMT
Ugh. I really do not understand how, with politicians, this is an issue that seems to be breaking left/right politically, since I do not feel like it maps on at all to people who vote Democrat/Republican. As I posted when we first started talking about it, politically, this seems to be an issue where most people are on the side of "vaccinate" and the anti-vaxxers are a combination of fringy left "cure it all with breastmilk" people and fringy right "government is evil" people. I totally agree. And I think Christie is biting himself in the foot, and liable to alienate more voters than he attracts. Born and bred Jersey girl here, with tons of friends/family all over the state - and from what I can tell, the NJ anti-vaxers would likely not be persuaded to vote for CC based on his vaccination stance. It's such an odd issue for him to speak on.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 3, 2015 16:24:12 GMT
Yes, we all know that politicians pander, but I find this to be an odd choice. Public health issues, IMO, should be taken seriously. At some point even politicians need to act for the greater good.
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Post by beebee on Feb 3, 2015 16:28:23 GMT
It's my understanding that PANS is generally associated with actual infections/viruses - not vaccines. My child reacts to both vaccines and infections/viruses. It is anything that stimulates the immune system. The result of the stimulation is severe OCD (mental illness) and tics. We have had to fight for treatment because doctors do not give antibiotics or antivirals easily, but these medications produce miracles in my child. My child went from non-functioning to a completely normal kid in a matter of days when treated appropriately. Fortunately I have doctors on board now who have witnessed it, but it took a long time to get them to come around.
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Post by rebelyelle on Feb 3, 2015 16:35:29 GMT
I'm sorry to hear about what you've been through beebee. That's a really tough situation I have no doubt that there is a small percentage of the population for which vaccines do more harm than good. But I think those instances are really rare, and that the anti-vaccination crowd largely plays off of fear and bad science (NOT saying that's the case with you and your child).
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 3, 2015 16:41:58 GMT
It's my understanding that PANS is generally associated with actual infections/viruses - not vaccines. My child reacts to both vaccines and infections/viruses. It is anything that stimulates the immune system. The result of the stimulation is severe OCD (mental illness) and tics. We have had to fight for treatment because doctors do not give antibiotics or antivirals easily, but these medications produce miracles in my child. My child went from non-functioning to a completely normal kid in a matter of days when treated appropriately. Fortunately I have doctors on board now who have witnessed it, but it took a long time to get them to come around. I'm glad that you were able to get help. In my mind, though, you are not an anti-vaxer. You are very different from the "Just eat good food" crowd, and other anti-vaxer groups.
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Post by beebee on Feb 3, 2015 16:59:57 GMT
My child reacts to both vaccines and infections/viruses. It is anything that stimulates the immune system. The result of the stimulation is severe OCD (mental illness) and tics. We have had to fight for treatment because doctors do not give antibiotics or antivirals easily, but these medications produce miracles in my child. My child went from non-functioning to a completely normal kid in a matter of days when treated appropriately. Fortunately I have doctors on board now who have witnessed it, but it took a long time to get them to come around. I'm glad that you were able to get help. In my mind, though, you are not an anti-vaxer. You are very different from the "Just eat good food" crowd, and other anti-vaxer groups. No, I am not an anti-vaxer. I am a "vaccinate, but be aware". But I did want to point out that what Rand Paul said was not a myth. We live it.
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Post by peabay on Feb 3, 2015 17:01:44 GMT
I find it hard to believe that NJ has that many anti-fax nutters. I know that politicians pander, but on this particular issue, I would feel much better about one who was unequivocal in his position. <but they're all as oily and slippery as hell.>. I agree. He's not pandering to his constituents on this one. He was afraid, since he's running for President, to offend any segment of potential voters.
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Post by foolana on Feb 3, 2015 17:55:30 GMT
My child was immunosuppressed from age 18 months to age 3.5. I rarely took her out of the house at that time, mostly because her rheumatologist told me that something as simple as the chicken pox could kill her. This was just as the vaccine was coming out but she couldn't get it while she was on chemotherapy.
I am furious that people believe that the choice to not get your child vaccinated is an example of "freedom" as Rand Paul has said. (and he's an MD!) The selfishness to only think of your own child knowing full well that vaccines are safe for 99% of the population but instead choose to put our sickest children at risk by not getting them.
Add this to an ever-growing list of things I never thought we'd be debating in the 21st century: evolution, climate change and now vaccines. We're headed straight back to the Dark Ages.
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