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Post by txdancermom on Jul 11, 2015 21:21:33 GMT
There is a lot more to this story than what is being reported I am sure. I am surprised that the judge did not appoint an advocate for the children - they need one - to represent their interests in court.
I feel sorry for the kids.
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Post by scrappingbuckeye on Jul 11, 2015 21:38:06 GMT
This story is local to me, I think there is a lot more to the story. The mom's attny, dad's attny and children's attny came to the agreement for them to go to camp. Perhaps that was what the judge was hoping for, all of the parties to come to some kind of an agreement. I saw the mom on the news and she seemed a little off, but who knows what really went on in this case.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 11, 2015 22:40:18 GMT
There is a lot more to this story than what is being reported I am sure. I am surprised that the judge did not appoint an advocate for the children - they need one - to represent their interests in court. I feel sorry for the kids. From the second article linked, it was the Guardian ad litum for the kids who made the request that they be sent to summer camp, so they do have an advocate. At today's hearing Gorcyca and the children's court-appointed guardian, William Lansat, blasted Eibschitz-Tsimhoni, for alienating the children from their father. Lansat asked Gorcyca to send the kids to the camp.IIRC, the mother did move with the children to Israel when dad's job took them there (ETA where both are parents are from and grandparents live). Later she took off with the kids and filed for divorce in MI. There is a lot more going on here than the very misleading headline. Based on this action by the judge I wouldn't be surprised to see the mother lose primarly custody.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Jul 12, 2015 2:20:14 GMT
This was on the link for Children's Village that Magentapea posted:
Mandy's Place
For children ages birth to 18 who have been temporarily removed from their homes by the court due to parental neglect and abuse. Mandy's Place houses 44 boys and girls, waiting to return to their family, go to foster care, be placed in Oakland County Children’s Village residential treatment, or at another agency.
Could it be possible that the word "detention" is a misnomer? Perhaps this was more temporary placement until one of the parties can come to an agreement. It sounds like both parents are playing hard ball and putting the kids in the middle, and it seems like there is no family locally (they are all in Israel.)
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 12, 2015 4:40:34 GMT
Meri-Lyn I think you are right. It sounds like they were held in a similar situation as foster kids (Mandy's Place), not the secure detention side of the facility.
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Post by k8smom on Jul 12, 2015 4:47:38 GMT
Parental alienation is a serious problem, I swore I was not going to do that to my kids in an already stressful situation. I was the one who set up weekly Tuesday night dinners with Dad after we split up, otherwise my two kids probably wouldn't have seen him. They were teenagers and really mad about the situation and how it impacted them (in true teenage fashion!) and my ex was busy with his new relationship. I seriously think had I not organized this standing weekly date, months would have gone by without contact. My ex didn't really know how to parent without being part of a team so it was a learning curve for everyone.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jul 12, 2015 8:25:01 GMT
Parental alienation is a serious problem, I swore I was not going to do that to my kids in an already stressful situation. I was the one who set up weekly Tuesday night dinners with Dad after we split up, otherwise my two kids probably wouldn't have seen him. They were teenagers and really mad about the situation and how it impacted them (in true teenage fashion!) and my ex was busy with his new relationship. I seriously think had I not organized this standing weekly date, months would have gone by without contact. My ex didn't really know how to parent without being part of a team so it was a learning curve for everyone. Bless you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 10:35:17 GMT
Wow! what kind of judge send three children to a Juvenile Detention Centre for disobeying her and her opinion which apparently as reported differs from their experience regarding their father. I hope she's never faced with a child abuse case! So her assumption is that all children are little liars then!! You have one little paragraph from the story. I would imagine the judge is intimately involved here and knows a lot more than we know. I can imagine she wouldn't just call the kids liars. If you really stop and think about it, you should be irritated by the reporter for such lousy reporting and for making assumptions and stating weird shit out of context. That might be so but too many children are not believed these days. How many times have you read about children having said " but I did tell someone but they didn't believe me" On the surface of this report telling a child that they are brainwashed because they accuse their father of being violent against their mother isn't something I can agree with and yes she is telling the children in a way that they are liars. I'm not saying that they're not nor am I saying that she isn't right, but it isn't against the realms of possibility that they are not" brainwashed" and are actually telling the truth. Is there any reports as to what she's based this opinion on? Has she proof that the father hasn't been violent towards their mother? Maybe you could link something that categorically disputes the children's allegations rather than just accepting her ( the Judge's) opinion.
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Post by scrapsotime on Jul 12, 2015 13:42:59 GMT
You have one little paragraph from the story. I would imagine the judge is intimately involved here and knows a lot more than we know. I can imagine she wouldn't just call the kids liars. If you really stop and think about it, you should be irritated by the reporter for such lousy reporting and for making assumptions and stating weird shit out of context. That might be so but too many children are not believed these days. How many times have you read about children having said " but I did tell someone but they didn't believe me" On the surface of this report telling a child that they are brainwashed because they accuse their father of being violent against their mother isn't something I can agree with and yes she is telling the children in a way that they are liars. I'm not saying that they're not nor am I saying that she isn't right, but it isn't against the realms of possibility that they are not" brainwashed" and are actually telling the truth. Is there any reports as to what she's based this opinion on? Has she proof that the father hasn't been violent towards their mother? Maybe you could link something that categorically disputes the children's allegations rather than just accepting her ( the Judge's) opinion. It was also the opinion of the children's court appointed guardian. They (the children) had their own attorney,too.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jul 12, 2015 19:59:30 GMT
Wow! what kind of judge send three children to a Juvenile Detention Centre for disobeying her and her opinion which apparently as reported differs from their experience regarding their father. I hope she's never faced with a child abuse case! So her assumption is that all children are little liars then!! A judge has a lot of information we don't have.... I would imagine that court appointed psychologists have been involved as well as child advocates. I watched a friend go through this and it is very complicated. I doubt the judge did this without a lot of thought... and yes, I have seen children convinced a parent doesn't love them.... with no foundation. I am so happy that, when I divorced, my daughter's good relationship with her dad was one of my priorities.
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