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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 5, 2015 18:09:07 GMT
My DH has a degree in business and is both a real estate broker and general building contractor. He builds houses now but did real estate for a few years. It definitely helps him to have the business degree since both things mean he is self employed. I'm a teacher so I obviously have a degree and I take care of our medical and retirement. I think that the older DD needs to think about long term. Will she have a trade down the line that will pay for her retirement? Does she make enough to cover her insurance and her future potential family? Will she rely on finding a partner who will support her down the line? Younger DD, I would say to go to JC first. She can get an AA in business and go from there. A bachelor's is not necessary for real estate. HOWEVER, as just happened a few years ago, what happens when the market crashes again? We went from pulling in LOTS of cash to living off my income alone. Luckily we didn't owe money on much so we were able to keep our toys, cars, house. LOTS of people in real estate lost EVERYTHING, their marriage included, when the market tanked. That is a very real possibility that she needs to be aware of. She might want to get a bachelor's that will help make her marketable should she need to use it. I'm glad you mentioned about General Building Contractor. I think these days she wouldn't go amiss being a Real Estate Agent/General Building Contractor. People often can't envision wanting a house until you show them what it can be. If she wants to go into Real Estate and doesn't want traditional college can't go wrong doing Plumbing, HVAC, Carpentry, Electrical courses/training. Those have more long term earning potential than any design courses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 18:20:55 GMT
Several reasons for bringing this up today, so bear with me. First reason is dd, going to be a junior in high school, just said to me she's thinking about being a real estate agent. It kind of totally suits her and I could see it happening. She's been thinking college and such so what degree would be suitable for going that route if any? I know no a degree isn't required for it. Second reason is my mother drives me nuts. Older dd waitresses (and hosts). She started college, dropped out, loves what she is doing. She enjoys her work and the money she makes at it. My mother has a fixation about college degrees. First of all dd has no interest and is old enough to make her own decisions so i'm not interfering! But my feeling on it is this....she likes what she does, she could get a degree in something restaurant related. But my feeling is that she may tire of the field or decide down the road she wants to do something else so that would be the time for classes because she'd know what she wanted at that point. At this point she may just be getting a random degree that may mean nothing to what she may want to do in the future. All speculation really....I just want to know whether my feeling is more on target or Mom's are and you should just be getting a degree? Like I said, I have no intentions of sharing this with dd, just want to know what others think or would do if they were presented with that type of thing. I know kids don't always have a clear direction so wondering what others parents advise if asked to advise. We offer a business degree with an emphasis on real estate; marketing real estate, laws regarding it, what not.
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Post by meridon on Aug 5, 2015 18:32:10 GMT
Does DD's high school have a co-op program (maybe called work based learning?) If so, she might be able to do an internship with a local real estate office to get some exposure and see what she thinks. At the very least, I would think she should shadow some agents and I bet her school would let her miss a day or two of school to do it. Ask her about it or email her counselor to see if that might be an option.
And I agree about older DD needing to get a degree in something, anything, just in case. Maybe one of the local community colleges offers an associates' degree in hospitality or retail management or something similar. With a 2 year degree, it would be relatively affordable but help hedge her bets. But again, if she doesn't want to go, you can't make her.
My BIL dropped out of college when he was promoted to kitchen manager in a restaurant because the money for a 20 year old was fantastic. He has now worked his way up to GM but is 40 with 2 kids and works 70+ hours a week. He'd love to change employers but even though he has more than 20 years work experience, he doesn't have a degree and so can't even get an interview with some of the companies he'd be interested in working for. He also has interviewed for district manager or training store manager positions and feels like he can't move up because he doesn't have a degree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 19:43:51 GMT
Business, Communications, finance or Marketing for real estate I would think. If your older daughter (and ONLY your older daughter) thinks she might decide to go to school down the road, then any core classes she could take between now and then would only help her. I went 2 years then dropped out. Years later when I finally did want to get my degree my credits transferred and I was so happy I don't have to start from scratch. This is where I am. I have 40 credits. While I'm glad I'm not starting from scratch, I'm ***really*** wishing I had more pressure from my parents to continue. I didn't have a whole lot of support or guidance. I'm not blaming anyone for my choices. I just know that I will be strongly encouraging my girls to go to college. I agree. I have and will continue to strongly and relentlessly encourage my children to get degrees. Not going to college is the single worst decision of my life. I never want my children to depend on another person for money, medical insurance, and retirement. I am quite ashamed of not having a degree and feel "stupid" among my friends. I know in some cases, I am just as smart but I do not have that degree to "prove" it.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 5, 2015 19:46:32 GMT
This is where I am. I have 40 credits. While I'm glad I'm not starting from scratch, I'm ***really*** wishing I had more pressure from my parents to continue. I didn't have a whole lot of support or guidance. I'm not blaming anyone for my choices. I just know that I will be strongly encouraging my girls to go to college. I agree. I have and will continue to strongly and relentlessly encourage my children to get degrees. Not going to college is the single worst decision of my life. I never want my children to depend on another person for money, medical insurance, and retirement. I am quite ashamed of not having a degree and feel "stupid" among my friends. I know in some cases, I am just as smart but I do not have that degree to "prove" it. Believe me when I say some degrees aren't worth the paper they are printed on. I know women with Elementary Education degrees that couldn't do simple addition in college.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 5, 2015 19:52:46 GMT
Real Estate--marketing degree!!!!
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 5, 2015 19:55:56 GMT
Add property and facilities management to the list of classes. She might become interested in commercial real estate down the road. Especially when she learns it's higher paying. Easier to switch to from commercial to residential than vice versa.
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Post by seaexplore on Aug 5, 2015 20:00:24 GMT
My DH has a degree in business and is both a real estate broker and general building contractor. He builds houses now but did real estate for a few years. It definitely helps him to have the business degree since both things mean he is self employed. I'm a teacher so I obviously have a degree and I take care of our medical and retirement. I think that the older DD needs to think about long term. Will she have a trade down the line that will pay for her retirement? Does she make enough to cover her insurance and her future potential family? Will she rely on finding a partner who will support her down the line? Younger DD, I would say to go to JC first. She can get an AA in business and go from there. A bachelor's is not necessary for real estate. HOWEVER, as just happened a few years ago, what happens when the market crashes again? We went from pulling in LOTS of cash to living off my income alone. Luckily we didn't owe money on much so we were able to keep our toys, cars, house. LOTS of people in real estate lost EVERYTHING, their marriage included, when the market tanked. That is a very real possibility that she needs to be aware of. She might want to get a bachelor's that will help make her marketable should she need to use it. I'm glad you mentioned about General Building Contractor. I think these days she wouldn't go amiss being a Real Estate Agent/General Building Contractor. People often can't envision wanting a house until you show them what it can be. If she wants to go into Real Estate and doesn't want traditional college can't go wrong doing Plumbing, HVAC, Carpentry, Electrical courses/training. Those have more long term earning potential than any design courses. We actually design on the computer using a CAD program and build it. Ground to full building ourselves. Sometimes we have subs do sheetrock and roofing but everything else, we do ourselves. Just DH and I! I love building during the summer and teaching the rest of the year! It's also nice because he is a SAHD and I work. When I'm home, he schedules himself for work. Great flexibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 20:03:22 GMT
I have 2 cousins (in Japan) who are hairdressers. They own their own salons, they are their own bosses and make a great living.
They don't have university degrees but they did specialize and upgrade their skills on a regular basis.
I think there are many things people can do without a degree and make a good living.
My son is going to be a mechanic that does repairs to luxury cars. It is a good paying job with tons of potential. Am I unhappy he didn't go to university? Not in the least. He has to live his own life and be happy with his choices in life. He is happy with the career choice he is pursuing and as a mom I am happy he knows what he wants to do already.
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Post by k8smom on Aug 5, 2015 20:47:39 GMT
My dd knew she wanted to go into Psychology when she was in high school when her brother went through a rough patch and ended up double majoring in Psychology and Sociology. After graduation from college she went to work for a youth treatment facility and decided that social work was not for her, it was too heartbreaking. She went on to grad school and got her MBA in Organizational Behavior, which is a Masters in Business with an emphasis on the psychology of how to motivate, inspire and mentor employees to maximize their talents. It's really a pretty amazing thing! My point is, she just kind of fell into her niche as she worked through it all, and paid attention to what inspired her and followed that path. I think the trial and error process worked for her. I've always told both of my kids that there is no job that is beneath them and if they are happy in whatever they are doing, then I am all for it regardless of whether college was a part of the equation or not.
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Post by ten&rose on Aug 5, 2015 21:52:32 GMT
My daughter, like many, didn't have a clue what she wanted to do. So she majored in English and worked in an office when she graduated. Then she got married and is now home with kids. She decided she'd like to be a nurse. Fortunately, since she already has a degree, she only needed around 6 classes and two practicum semesters to get an RN, which she has almost completed. (And the classes were online.) I think a degree is always worthwhile, no matter what. Even if it is an associate degree. You just never know where life will take you. I want to know where she is going to school that 6 online classes and 2 practicums are getting her an RN! I have a degree in education and it's taking me a whole lot longer to get my RN
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Post by peasapie on Aug 6, 2015 12:18:56 GMT
My daughter, like many, didn't have a clue what she wanted to do. So she majored in English and worked in an office when she graduated. Then she got married and is now home with kids. She decided she'd like to be a nurse. Fortunately, since she already has a degree, she only needed around 6 classes and two practicum semesters to get an RN, which she has almost completed. (And the classes were online.) I think a degree is always worthwhile, no matter what. Even if it is an associate degree. You just never know where life will take you. I want to know where she is going to school that 6 online classes and 2 practicums are getting her an RN! I have a degree in education and it's taking me a whole lot longer to get my RN She's going to a county college and the classes are online. I don't know why you need so many more classes than that if you already have a degree. Once she finishes the RN, she is going right into a masters program for nurse practitioner.
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Post by ten&rose on Aug 6, 2015 13:30:14 GMT
I want to know where she is going to school that 6 online classes and 2 practicums are getting her an RN! I have a degree in education and it's taking me a whole lot longer to get my RN She's going to a county college and the classes are online. I don't know why you need so many more classes than that if you already have a degree. Once she finishes the RN, she is going right into a masters program for nurse practitioner. I'm going to a Community college and had 5 pre reqs to take (My previous degree covered 2) and then I've taken 8 and have 4 more and I"ll be and ADN and will still need to bridge to a BSN
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 6, 2015 16:20:44 GMT
I would agree with those who suggested community college to take general courses as an option for both girls. It is SO much cheaper than a four year school (even a state university) and I'd bet most of them feed into the state university system anyway (ours do). I wouldn't advise anyone to pursue a degree at a four year college unless they have a substantial scholarship. It's just not worth taking on all of that debt when it may not even help to get you a job in the end.
For someone who doesn't know what their ultimate goal is, it's probably best to take general classes now that can be applied to any degree later. Putting off doing anything at all until you know what you're doing will only cost MORE later. The cost of education in general continues to spiral up and up and is already way out of control, so knocking out anything you can early and where it's least expensive is definitely the way to go.
I always tell my nieces and nephews (and will tell DD too), "It doesn't matter where you START school, it matters where you GRADUATE from. Take as many transferable classes as you can where they're cheap and transfer into the school you want to graduate from later."
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Post by scrapaddie on Aug 6, 2015 18:07:28 GMT
Is older DD living in her own place, paying her own way by our own health insurance etc. I think the idea of having her look at where she wants to be five or 10 years down the road is a very good one. The people that I've known that halfway dressed have worked very hard when they're in their 20s. And are still working as hard when they're in their late 50s or 60s.
For younger DD, I know that a college education is not required to sell real estate. But I have never seen a real estate agent that was 18 or 19 years old. And I really hate it when people box themselves into one career when they are so young. Most college students change their career choice during the course of their four years education. There's a good chance that your daughter will, also.
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Post by utmr on Aug 6, 2015 18:14:46 GMT
When she says real estate does she mean driving around putting signs in yards, or does she want to be a Donald Trump real estate mogel? For big-time real estate you need a finance degree with a real estate concentration. Maybe a law degree to understand all the facets of it.
If someone is undecided, or on a tight budget, I don't think you can ever go wrong with getting the basics done at the jr college and then transferring when you have a better idea of what you're interested in.
Restaurant (or retail) management is great when your young, but it's not great for family life and it's hard, physical work. It's great management experience for early career development. But does she want to be working nights and weekends and unloading the liquor shipment when no one shows up when she's 40?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 18:20:04 GMT
Several reasons for bringing this up today, so bear with me. First reason is dd, going to be a junior in high school, just said to me she's thinking about being a real estate agent. It kind of totally suits her and I could see it happening. She's been thinking college and such so what degree would be suitable for going that route if any? I know no a degree isn't required for it. Second reason is my mother drives me nuts. Older dd waitresses (and hosts). She started college, dropped out, loves what she is doing. She enjoys her work and the money she makes at it. My mother has a fixation about college degrees. First of all dd has no interest and is old enough to make her own decisions so i'm not interfering! But my feeling on it is this....she likes what she does, she could get a degree in something restaurant related. But my feeling is that she may tire of the field or decide down the road she wants to do something else so that would be the time for classes because she'd know what she wanted at that point. At this point she may just be getting a random degree that may mean nothing to what she may want to do in the future. All speculation really....I just want to know whether my feeling is more on target or Mom's are and you should just be getting a degree? Like I said, I have no intentions of sharing this with dd, just want to know what others think or would do if they were presented with that type of thing. I know kids don't always have a clear direction so wondering what others parents advise if asked to advise. As long as my son is a productive, law-abiding citizen who is taken care of himself...if he has a plan and is making it happen, I'm fine with him doing something other than college. He not going to live in my attic and be a gamer and not go to college.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 6, 2015 18:23:26 GMT
Is older DD living in her own place, paying her own way by our own health insurance etc. I think the idea of having her look at where she wants to be five or 10 years down the road is a very good one. The people that I've known that halfway dressed have worked very hard when they're in their 20s. And are still working as hard when they're in their late 50s or 60s. For younger DD, I know that a college education is not required to sell real estate. But I have never seen a real estate agent that was 18 or 19 years old. And I really hate it when people box themselves into one career when they are so young. Most college students change their career choice during the course of their four years education. There's a good chance that your daughter will, also. Conversely, who do you know that would buy real estate from an 18/19 year old? Go ahead and get the license but go to school to give herself a bit of gravitas in her field.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 18:24:05 GMT
I am quite ashamed of not having a degree and feel "stupid" among my friends. I know in some cases, I am just as smart but I do not have that degree to "prove" it. I am so sorry that you feel this way. Some people are just narrow-minded when it comes to defining paths to success. That's on them, not you.
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Post by melodyesch on Aug 6, 2015 18:57:40 GMT
I am quite ashamed of not having a degree and feel "stupid" among my friends. I know in some cases, I am just as smart but I do not have that degree to "prove" it. I was embarrassed to not have my degree, but not because I felt stupid among my friends. It was more ashamed of myself for my parents giving me that amazing gift and me having my head so far up my ass I didn't appreciate it and quit. When I went back, it was because my company paid for it and I felt like I was able to right that wrong. Other than my being proud of myself, my degree means absolutely nothing to my employer in my current position. I am a valuable employee in kind of a specialized job. Having said that, I often go out and look at similar jobs across my entire company and there is no way anyone could be hired into my field today without some sort of degree. So I'm grateful for it, in the event that I have to look for something else.
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