finaledition
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Post by finaledition on Aug 22, 2015 6:40:56 GMT
This came across my facebook feed, it was written by Jessica Kirkland. It's long but I love her point of view and response to this.
"I know everybody is laughing about this Josh Duggar story. Oh, a DUGGAR on Ashley Madison, it's so rich! I wish more people would talk about Anna. I normally keep things light on Facebook, but let's talk about Anna. Let me tell you: Anna Duggar is in the worst position she could possibly be in right now. Anna Duggar was crippled by her parents by receiving no education, having no work experience (or life experience, for that matter) and then was shackled to this loser because his family was famous in their religious circle. Anna Duggar was taught that her sole purpose in life, the most meaningful thing she could do, was to be chaste and proper, a devout wife, and a mother. Anna Duggar did that! Anna Duggar followed the rules that were imposed on her from the get-go and this is what she got in reward- a husband who she found out, in the span of 6 months, not only molested his own sisters, but was unfaithful to her in the most humiliating way possible. While she was fulfilling her "duty" of providing him with four children and raising them. She lived up to the standard that men set for her of being chaste and Godly and in return, the man who demanded this of her sought women who were the opposite. "Be this," they told her. She was. It wasn't enough.
What is Anna Duggar supposed to do? She can't divorce because the religious environment she was brought up would blame her and ostracize her for it. Even if she would risk that, she has no education and no work experience to fall back on, so how does she support her kids? From where could she summon the ability to turn her back on everything she ever held to be sacred and safe? Her beliefs, the very thing she would turn to for comfort in this kind of crisis, are the VERY REASON she is in this predicament in the first place. How can she reconcile this? Her parents have utterly, utterly failed her. Think of this: somewhere, Anna Duggar is sitting in prayer, praying not for the strength to get out and stand on her own, but for the strength to stand by this man she is unfortunately married to. To lower herself so that he may rise up on her back.
As a mother of daughters, this makes me ill. Parents, WE MUST DO BETTER BY OUR DAUGHTERS. Boys, men, are born with power. Girls have to command it for themselves. They aren't given it. They assume it and take it. But you have to teach them to do it, that they can do it. We HAVE to teach our daughters that they are not beholden to men like this. That they don't have to marry a man their father deems "acceptable" and then stay married to that man long, long after he proved himself UNACCEPTABLE. Educate them. Empower them. Give them the tools they need to survive, on their own if they must. Josh Duggar should be cowering in fear of Anna Duggar right now. Cowering. He isn't, but he should be. He should be quaking in fear that the house might fall down around them if he's in the same room as she. Please, instill your daughters with the resolve to make a man cower if he must. To say "I don't deserve this, and my children don't deserve this." I wish someone had ever, just once, told Anna she was capable of this. That she knew she is. As for my girls, I'll raise them to think they breathe fire.
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tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 22, 2015 13:01:30 GMT
Josh Duggar should be cowering in fear of Anna Duggar right now. Cowering. He isn't, but he should be. He should be quaking in fear that the house might fall down around them if he's in the same room as she. Please, instill your daughters with the resolve to make a man cower if he must. To say "I don't deserve this, and my children don't deserve this." I wish someone had ever, just once, told Anna she was capable of this. That she knew she is. As for my girls, I'll raise them to think they breathe fire. This! There has been a lot of speculation about how Anna is reacting (absorbing blame, praying around the clock with Josh, etc) and I think a lot of it is probably spot on but still speculation much like what I am about to say. I picture her crying inconsolably, praying with Josh, etc. being the perfect, sweet, hurt-but-not-angry victim. What I can't picture, based on the show and my own exposure to this culture, is her letting go in anger on Josh. Her yelling, screaming, demanding, "How could you do this to ME! HOw dare you! Who do you think you are?" I can't picture her, even for a momsnt, admitting she has moments of hating him for what her life has become because of him. And all that would be normal, healthy reactions. Instead, I imagine her keeping all that rage and resentment inside Her because she is taught that is the ONLY way to save her marriage. And in my experience, those marriages are "saved" but at the expense of the wives mental health and the chance for the kids to have a healthy up bringing. So the marriages are saved, the people are not. And honestly, in this culture, the wives who DO get mad and angry almost always find the strength to leave and be happy and normal because by leaving the marriage they almost always eventually leave the religion or drastically loosen the reigns of the religion on their lives.
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Post by raindancer on Aug 22, 2015 13:57:33 GMT
I know this is off topic, but I am a Mormon and I have a Bachelor degree. Almost every Mormon women I know has a degree, many have masters and a few have a phd. I did stay home for years to raise my passel of kids, but I do hold a job now. I know many who hold jobs and have careers. The subservient to men comment had my DH rolling on the floor. He wishes! Tina Mormons do not have any higher rates of degree attainment than the general population of the US. It is about 18% compared to 16% of people have a degree. Which is hardly significant. And that is the lumped sum (men and women combined). Otherwise I don't know why the hell Mormons are the topic of conversation here, since the Duggars are not LDS.
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Post by Merge on Aug 22, 2015 14:14:30 GMT
I know this is off topic, but I am a Mormon and I have a Bachelor degree. Almost every Mormon women I know has a degree, many have masters and a few have a phd. I did stay home for years to raise my passel of kids, but I do hold a job now. I know many who hold jobs and have careers. The subservient to men comment had my DH rolling on the floor. He wishes! Tina Mormons do not have any higher rates of degree attainment than the general population of the US. It is about 18% compared to 16% of people have a degree. Which is hardly significant. And that is the lumped sum (men and women combined). Otherwise I don't know why the hell Mormons are the topic of conversation here, since the Duggars are not LDS. Because everybody loves a tangent. A couple of things - I found a website that shows the statistics you mention, but I think that must be very old data. Most current statistics show that about 34% of US adults have at least a bachelors degree. I couldn't find a current statistic about LDS degree attainment that didn't come from the church itself. As you point out, though, the Duggars are not Mormon. I'm positive that the rate of bachelors degree attainment for members of their church is well below that of the general population.
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Country Ham
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 22, 2015 14:15:28 GMT
Curious question. I am going to try and google too. When a child molests a child are they considered a pedophile? I am talking legal minors like in the case of Josh who wasn't even a teen when it started. I have a 12 1/2 year old son who hasn't started puberty yet for example. I know in the court of public opinion he is but legally, medically etc. I am wondering.
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Post by brina on Aug 22, 2015 14:19:21 GMT
This came across my facebook feed, it was written by Jessica Kirkland. It's long but I love her point of view and response to this. "I know everybody is laughing about this Josh Duggar story. Oh, a DUGGAR on Ashley Madison, it's so rich! I wish more people would talk about Anna. I normally keep things light on Facebook, but let's talk about Anna. Let me tell you: Anna Duggar is in the worst position she could possibly be in right now. Anna Duggar was crippled by her parents by receiving no education, having no work experience (or life experience, for that matter) and then was shackled to this loser because his family was famous in their religious circle. Anna Duggar was taught that her sole purpose in life, the most meaningful thing she could do, was to be chaste and proper, a devout wife, and a mother. Anna Duggar did that! Anna Duggar followed the rules that were imposed on her from the get-go and this is what she got in reward- a husband who she found out, in the span of 6 months, not only molested his own sisters, but was unfaithful to her in the most humiliating way possible. While she was fulfilling her "duty" of providing him with four children and raising them. She lived up to the standard that men set for her of being chaste and Godly and in return, the man who demanded this of her sought women who were the opposite. "Be this," they told her. She was. It wasn't enough. What is Anna Duggar supposed to do? She can't divorce because the religious environment she was brought up would blame her and ostracize her for it. Even if she would risk that, she has no education and no work experience to fall back on, so how does she support her kids? From where could she summon the ability to turn her back on everything she ever held to be sacred and safe? Her beliefs, the very thing she would turn to for comfort in this kind of crisis, are the VERY REASON she is in this predicament in the first place. How can she reconcile this? Her parents have utterly, utterly failed her. Think of this: somewhere, Anna Duggar is sitting in prayer, praying not for the strength to get out and stand on her own, but for the strength to stand by this man she is unfortunately married to. To lower herself so that he may rise up on her back. As a mother of daughters, this makes me ill. Parents, WE MUST DO BETTER BY OUR DAUGHTERS. Boys, men, are born with power. Girls have to command it for themselves. They aren't given it. They assume it and take it. But you have to teach them to do it, that they can do it. We HAVE to teach our daughters that they are not beholden to men like this. That they don't have to marry a man their father deems "acceptable" and then stay married to that man long, long after he proved himself UNACCEPTABLE. Educate them. Empower them. Give them the tools they need to survive, on their own if they must. Josh Duggar should be cowering in fear of Anna Duggar right now. Cowering. He isn't, but he should be. He should be quaking in fear that the house might fall down around them if he's in the same room as she. Please, instill your daughters with the resolve to make a man cower if he must. To say "I don't deserve this, and my children don't deserve this." I wish someone had ever, just once, told Anna she was capable of this. That she knew she is. As for my girls, I'll raise them to think they breathe fire. Anna does have two sisters who have walked away from the fundamentalist lifestyle, so she does have somebody to turn to who is not of that world. Yes, I spend too much time reading FreeJinger
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 22, 2015 14:35:44 GMT
Curious question. I am going to try and google too. When a child molests a child are they considered a pedophile? I am talking legal minors like in the case of Josh who wasn't even a teen when it started. I have a 12 1/2 year old son who hasn't started puberty yet for example. I know in the court of public opinion he is but legally, medically etc. I am wondering. Country Ham Josh was certainly was a teen when it started. It occurred from the ages of 14-15. I don't know about legalities, sorry. But considering he was 14&15 and a victim was 4 or 5, I believe, I personally consider it pedophile-ish behaviour.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 22, 2015 14:40:50 GMT
I don't why I thought he was 12 when it started. I essentially get all my information on this site though.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 22, 2015 14:42:52 GMT
Curious question. I am going to try and google too. When a child molests a child are they considered a pedophile? I am talking legal minors like in the case of Josh who wasn't even a teen when it started. I have a 12 1/2 year old son who hasn't started puberty yet for example. I know in the court of public opinion he is but legally, medically etc. I am wondering. Maybe. It could be sexual curiosity at that age and nothing to do with sexual attraction to children i.e. Pedophilia. Technically, Josh Dugger molested girls. He can also be registered as a sex offender. bostonreview.net/blog/youth-sex-offender-registry-hrw Personally, I'm not a fan of curiosity or consensual sex participants being on the register regardless of age when involving 2 minors or a minor and adult in a near age range when it was both their choice. I think the age difference is a huge difference when minors are involved.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 22, 2015 14:43:56 GMT
This came across my facebook feed, it was written by Jessica Kirkland. It's long but I love her point of view and response to this. "I know everybody is laughing about this Josh Duggar story. Oh, a DUGGAR on Ashley Madison, it's so rich! I wish more people would talk about Anna. I normally keep things light on Facebook, but let's talk about Anna. Let me tell you: Anna Duggar is in the worst position she could possibly be in right now. Anna Duggar was crippled by her parents by receiving no education, having no work experience (or life experience, for that matter) and then was shackled to this loser because his family was famous in their religious circle. Anna Duggar was taught that her sole purpose in life, the most meaningful thing she could do, was to be chaste and proper, a devout wife, and a mother. Anna Duggar did that! Anna Duggar followed the rules that were imposed on her from the get-go and this is what she got in reward- a husband who she found out, in the span of 6 months, not only molested his own sisters, but was unfaithful to her in the most humiliating way possible. While she was fulfilling her "duty" of providing him with four children and raising them. She lived up to the standard that men set for her of being chaste and Godly and in return, the man who demanded this of her sought women who were the opposite. "Be this," they told her. She was. It wasn't enough. What is Anna Duggar supposed to do? She can't divorce because the religious environment she was brought up would blame her and ostracize her for it. Even if she would risk that, she has no education and no work experience to fall back on, so how does she support her kids? From where could she summon the ability to turn her back on everything she ever held to be sacred and safe? Her beliefs, the very thing she would turn to for comfort in this kind of crisis, are the VERY REASON she is in this predicament in the first place. How can she reconcile this? Her parents have utterly, utterly failed her. Think of this: somewhere, Anna Duggar is sitting in prayer, praying not for the strength to get out and stand on her own, but for the strength to stand by this man she is unfortunately married to. To lower herself so that he may rise up on her back. As a mother of daughters, this makes me ill. Parents, WE MUST DO BETTER BY OUR DAUGHTERS. Boys, men, are born with power. Girls have to command it for themselves. They aren't given it. They assume it and take it. But you have to teach them to do it, that they can do it. We HAVE to teach our daughters that they are not beholden to men like this. That they don't have to marry a man their father deems "acceptable" and then stay married to that man long, long after he proved himself UNACCEPTABLE. Educate them. Empower them. Give them the tools they need to survive, on their own if they must. Josh Duggar should be cowering in fear of Anna Duggar right now. Cowering. He isn't, but he should be. He should be quaking in fear that the house might fall down around them if he's in the same room as she. Please, instill your daughters with the resolve to make a man cower if he must. To say "I don't deserve this, and my children don't deserve this." I wish someone had ever, just once, told Anna she was capable of this. That she knew she is. As for my girls, I'll raise them to think they breathe fire. Anna does have two sisters who have walked away from the fundamentalist lifestyle, so she does have somebody to turn to who is not of that world. Yes, I spend too much time reading FreeJinger I hope they have driven to her house and are camping out!
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Post by Nanner on Aug 22, 2015 14:44:27 GMT
Anna does have two sisters who have walked away from the fundamentalist lifestyle, so she does have somebody to turn to who is not of that world. Yes, I spend too much time reading FreeJinger Doesn't she also have a brother who has done the same?
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 22, 2015 14:49:29 GMT
Country Ham I don't think the medical definition is quite as broad as society's, which is why I refer to it as pedophile-ish behavior. Personally, I think the medical definition is not broad enough and while Josh's past behaviour may not fall within those parameters it was certainly deviant by all accounts. ETA: forgot my link simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 22, 2015 14:51:41 GMT
Curious question. I am going to try and google too. When a child molests a child are they considered a pedophile? I am talking legal minors like in the case of Josh who wasn't even a teen when it started. I have a 12 1/2 year old son who hasn't started puberty yet for example. I know in the court of public opinion he is but legally, medically etc. I am wondering. Maybe. It could be sexual curiosity at that age and nothing to do with sexual attraction to children i.e. Pedophilia. Technically, Josh Dugger molested girls. He can also be registered as a sex offender. bostonreview.net/blog/youth-sex-offender-registry-hrw Personally, I'm not a fan of curiosity or consensual sex participants being on the register regardless of age when involving 2 minors or a minor and adult in a near age range when it was both their choice. I think the age difference is a huge difference when minors are involved. I agree with this. The age of Josh's youngest victim disallows him from falling in this category, however.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 22, 2015 14:54:29 GMT
Maybe. It could be sexual curiosity at that age and nothing to do with sexual attraction to children i.e. Pedophilia. Technically, Josh Dugger molested girls. He can also be registered as a sex offender. bostonreview.net/blog/youth-sex-offender-registry-hrw Personally, I'm not a fan of curiosity or consensual sex participants being on the register regardless of age when involving 2 minors or a minor and adult in a near age range when it was both their choice. I think the age difference is a huge difference when minors are involved. I agree with this. The age of Josh's youngest victim disallows him from falling in this category, however. Agreed. I would only classify Josh Duggar a pedophile if his behavior with children continued after the discovery.
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Post by raindancer on Aug 22, 2015 15:37:20 GMT
Mormons do not have any higher rates of degree attainment than the general population of the US. It is about 18% compared to 16% of people have a degree. Which is hardly significant. And that is the lumped sum (men and women combined). Otherwise I don't know why the hell Mormons are the topic of conversation here, since the Duggars are not LDS. Because everybody loves a tangent. A couple of things - I found a website that shows the statistics you mention, but I think that must be very old data. Most current statistics show that about 34% of US adults have at least a bachelors degree. I couldn't find a current statistic about LDS degree attainment that didn't come from the church itself. As you point out, though, the Duggars are not Mormon. I'm positive that the rate of bachelors degree attainment for members of their church is well below that of the general population. It was a Pew research center stat from 2009, either way I was just pointing out that anecdotal evidence is meaningless. The LDS church is a big fan of stating things like that when it's not doing anything different from the general population. Education, divorce rates, etc. are pretty much all the same. Pew Research center data
ETA: Newer data that is just an overview, there is a table if you scroll down the page about half way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 15:52:02 GMT
Because everybody loves a tangent. A couple of things - I found a website that shows the statistics you mention, but I think that must be very old data. Most current statistics show that about 34% of US adults have at least a bachelors degree. I couldn't find a current statistic about LDS degree attainment that didn't come from the church itself. As you point out, though, the Duggars are not Mormon. I'm positive that the rate of bachelors degree attainment for members of their church is well below that of the general population. It was a Pew research center stat from 2009, either way I was just pointing out that anecdotal evidence is meaningless. The LDS church is a big fan of stating things like that when it's not doing anything different from the general population. Education, divorce rates, etc. are pretty much all the same. Pew Research center data
ETA: Newer data that is just an overview, there is a table if you scroll down the page about half way. Up thread you said you didn't know why Mormonism was brought up. It's because another poster thought Josh Duggar was Mormon. As far as my own personal experience, I know Mormons with and without college degrees. I'm one of those dumb Mormons who married young and was too stupid to get a degree. I grew up in a rural community, far different than my husband's family where they knew the "upper" people in the LDS church and only having a bachelors degree was considered not enough.
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Post by imsirius on Aug 22, 2015 15:55:51 GMT
This is wrong actually. Josh told her TWO YEARS before he proposed and before they were courting. He told her and her parents together. Her parents still let her 'court' and marry him three months later. She still married him knowing this.
It boggles the mind really...
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 22, 2015 16:08:14 GMT
This is wrong actually. Josh told her TWO YEARS before he proposed and before they were courting. He told her and her parents together. Her parents still let her 'court' and marry him three months later. She still married him knowing this. It boggles the mind really... She was barely 20 when they married, 18 when she was told whatever she was told (I am sure it was the watered down version at that). It's very important to know that an 18-20 year old girl raised in this culture probably compares more to a 15-16 year old girl raised in the more mainstream and healthy society. Unless you have been raised in this culture, the naivety caused by being so heavily sheltered is hard to wrap your mind around.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 22, 2015 16:12:50 GMT
This is wrong actually. Josh told her TWO YEARS before he proposed and before they were courting. He told her and her parents together. Her parents still let her 'court' and marry him three months later. She still married him knowing this. It boggles the mind really... They probably prayed about it and cured it all. You can just imagine.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 22, 2015 16:14:40 GMT
This is wrong actually. Josh told her TWO YEARS before he proposed and before they were courting. He told her and her parents together. Her parents still let her 'court' and marry him three months later. She still married him knowing this. It boggles the mind really... She was barely 20 when they married, 18 when she was told whatever she was told (I am sure it was the watered down version at that). It's very important to know that an 18-20 year old girl raised in this culture probably compares more to a 15-16 year old girl raised in the more mainstream and healthy society. Unless you have been raised in this culture, the naivety caused by being so heavily sheltered is hard to wrap your mind around. more a younger 12 year old. 15-16 year old in mainstream culture have normally already had sex education throughout schools and interaction with people that their parents don't know. eta - heck I know of 12 year olds trying to get pregnant so they have someone that loves them...
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Post by lucyg on Aug 22, 2015 16:16:33 GMT
This so isn't about religion. It's irritating to hear religions beaing bashed and blamed. It's about a troubled man, a pedophile, or at the very least a sexual deviant imho. I think he was on AM because he isn't fulfilled by his wife. He doesn't realize that he can't be fulfilled in an adult relationship and so he went to affairs, to meet his needs, but even that won't satisfy him if he truly is a pedophile... I don't know exactly what his issues are, but he needs treatment and children need to be protected from him. I am sad for Anna. I am sad for his siblings. But it is not the fault of Christianity (or Mormonism as is now being brought up?)I could care less about his affair or all fo the cheater's being outed, they put themselves in this position. I do feel for the families ..wives and children of the cheaters. I do care the JD has assaulted children in the past - that is the real problem here. I don't think anyone is blaming Christianity in general. But the extreme version this family practices ... well, yes. Extreme fundamentalism of any kind, unleavened by common sense and a dose of reality, usually isn't good in the end for either individuals or the community as a whole.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 22, 2015 16:21:52 GMT
She was barely 20 when they married, 18 when she was told whatever she was told (I am sure it was the watered down version at that). It's very important to know that an 18-20 year old girl raised in this culture probably compares more to a 15-16 year old girl raised in the more mainstream and healthy society. Unless you have been raised in this culture, the naivety caused by being so heavily sheltered is hard to wrap your mind around. more a younger 12 year old. 15-16 year old in mainstream culture have normally already had sex education throughout schools and interaction with people that their parents don't know. And you are probably right. I was actually raised in that culture. Except for the home schooling. I went to a Christian School attached to our chuech. I was probably 3-4 years emotionally and maturity wise behind my peers. The more "rebellious" teens would have been only a year or so behind but those poor souls who were "all in" definitely fell even farther behind than me. While the particular religion we were apart of (Independant Fundemental baptists- IBF- which the Duggars also identify as) was over the top my parents walked a fine line between the crazy and sane. It was my only saving grace.
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Post by brina on Aug 22, 2015 16:50:55 GMT
Anna does have two sisters who have walked away from the fundamentalist lifestyle, so she does have somebody to turn to who is not of that world. Yes, I spend too much time reading FreeJinger Doesn't she also have a brother who has done the same? You are right. According to FJ her brother met a girl while volunteering at a rehab program and married her and was cut off by their parents for doing so. They have one child - actually custody of his wife's sister's child. One sister married a guy from within the fold but they left together. The younger sister actually lived with Josh and Anna for a while but then left to live with the sister who left. The younger sister has a young child but is not married. All info curtesy of freejinger.com
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Post by vspindler on Aug 22, 2015 17:03:15 GMT
Wow I am surprised that the Duggers would, to quote Pride and Prejudice, "connect themselves with such a family."
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 22, 2015 17:30:51 GMT
All info curtesy of freejinger.com It wasn't until I read this that I had an epiphany: do all their names start with the letter J? Is that a thing in this religious community? Also, how very, very strange to have a website devoted to freeing you from you family. Would Ginger Jinger know about it? (Not sure what the family policy is on Internet use...)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:39:21 GMT
and now one half of the VERY popular Christian Vlogger couple, Sam Rader has also been outed as having a paid account....this coming on the heels of him announcing his wife's pregnancy to her and the world a few weeks ago on YouTube (he sneaked some of her urine) and then unfortunately, she miscarried just a week or so later. Sam Rader
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Post by J u l e e on Aug 22, 2015 17:42:21 GMT
I'm sorry, WHAT?! He sneaked some of her urine to see if she was pregnant??
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 22, 2015 17:44:37 GMT
AmeliaBloomer yes, they all start with J. Josh's kids all start with M. It is a "thing" but not specific to this religious community. Most people I know in the community don't do it. As an aside, I could have sworn that at some point "porn" (though the word porn wasn't used, I believe it was "inappropriate materials") was blamed for the molestation scandal. Not officially when they acknowledged it, but I believe I read reference to it in the police reports. Does anyone else recall this? Also, about a month ago, a report broke that he was caught looking at porn on a computer while working on a political campaign when he was 16, which would be shortly after the molestations happened. So, Josh appears to have been enjoying porn much longer than the "last few years" he initially admitted to.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 22, 2015 17:51:18 GMT
I'm sorry, WHAT?! He sneaked some of her urine to see if she was pregnant?? Right out of the toilet! It seemed too cutesy staged to me. It was the first I'd heard of them but I didn't buy it. They had about three kids, too.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 22, 2015 18:03:06 GMT
I'm sorry, WHAT?! He sneaked some of her urine to see if she was pregnant?? Somebody please explain to me how "sneaking urine" [edit: out of the toilet] happens. And then he announced the contents of her uterus to HER at the same time he told others?? Like...on the INTERNET??? Oh, that's a gestation jestation gem jem. What a gentleman jentleman.
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