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Post by jayfab on Sept 23, 2015 0:07:54 GMT
This article just popped on my Facebook feed and it addresses when to know when. I know there are other refupeas who question themselves about this tough decision. It's been seven years since I've had to make a decision like this and it still hurts my heart. linkThe last paragraphs stuck out to me: "It's ok to go out on a bit of a high note. It is one of the blessings of euthanasia, that we can say goodbye in a controlled, peaceful environment and eliminate the pain and stress of a crisis moment at the end. Death used to be as mysterious for me as it is for most people, but after years working with pets Death and I have become, if not friends, at least very collegial. With that under my belt, the only thing I can tell you with certainty is this: The only way you'll know that it's time, truly and without doubt, is when the pet actually stops breathing. Everything else is open to interpretation. Rarely do people tell me after the fact that they let a pet go too soon. If anything, most feel they waited too long. We have a saying in our field that I repeat on a daily basis to my clients: "It's better to be a week too early than a minute too late."
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Post by ellen on Sept 23, 2015 0:21:57 GMT
We put a dog down a few years ago. he had a good check up in July. A couple weeks later he started eating less and just continued to decline. My husband brought him in at the beginning of September. He was thinner and was not moving around as well. He had a fast growing cancer. My husband asked what would happen if he brought him home and the vet said within a week or so he would probably not be able to walk. My husband opted to put him down that day. It wouldn't have been a good week for the dog and he was a big dog. Getting him back to the vet would have been a struggle. It was the right time to do it. We have two dogs now. I hope that when their time comes we'll know the right time for them too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 0:32:26 GMT
It is very hard. I was lucky in the fact that my last precious doggie went in his sleep. But I had to take my parents doggie in and also our adopted rescue cat. It was very very tough.
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caro
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Post by caro on Sept 23, 2015 0:37:10 GMT
It's the hardest thing ever to put a beloved pet down.
My DS has a lab we gave him 15 years ago. She is the sweetest thing, can't see much, can't hear, moves slowly but eats/drinks well. I told DS he would know when it was time. It's hard to see them get old.
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Post by nlwilkins on Sept 23, 2015 0:43:19 GMT
Yes, they give us so much love and comfort they deserve a calm and loving farewell. My oldest kitty is 13 years old and I am dreading that farwell. But perhaps it will be years yet.
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Post by lancermom on Sept 23, 2015 1:46:37 GMT
As a parent it was one of the hardest things to do. we brought our lab in together and held her as she passed. It was so hard seeing the kids lose the only pet they had. The oldest was four, middle one and youngest not even born yet. We still tear up and it has been two years. We make it a tradition to go out for ice cream to celebrate her life. Corny I know. But it is the one time all five of us get together without skipping out. We tell stories and laugh.
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Post by onlywork2scrap on Sept 23, 2015 1:54:16 GMT
It is the hardest thing and I still cry whenever I think about having to put my best friends down. I've had to do it more than once. My DH always reminds me it's the last good thing you do for your dog. And it is. I always know when it's time. You don't want your sweet friend to suffer.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 23, 2015 4:28:46 GMT
We're struggling with this right now with my little guy. He's 14.5 years old, has bad teeth, a big tumor thing on his leg (that doesn't hamper his mobility or seem to cause any pain), and he is getting kind of blind and a lot deaf. Still eats and drinks fine, loves his treats, chases stuff outside on occasion, likes to be around us.
But he also has a bunch of exterior mast cell tumors that he's been scratching at, pukes on the bed or on the carpeted floor, and more problematic he has been going totally nuts barking at blank walls (we call it his "I see dead people!" thing), whines to go in and out constantly all day long for no reason (like 4 times in 20 minutes), and very lately has peed on the beds three times in less than two months requiring everything to be laundered. Ugh.
Like DH says, the dog himself has no problem whatsoever with his quality of life but he's making OUR quality of life pretty miserable! He peed on our king size bed a couple nights ago after he'd been let out for the night beforehand, and after I had gone to bed myself. He didn't make any noise at all alerting me that he needed to go out, and I'm a super light sleeper so I would have woke up if he had. DH noticed it when he went to get in bed. It sucks having to strip your bed completely down to the mattress and remake it at 1:00 am when you're already dead tired.
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Post by heartcat on Sept 24, 2015 22:15:21 GMT
I have always believed this.
I think that too often we 'humanize' our pets, when in fact they have no concept of their own mortality, the way people do, and as such are not able to suffer the way that we do, in exchange for more 'time' with the ones we love.
Regardless, I am sure that everyone does the best they can, and makes decisions that come from love. I do not like to think of anyone feeling guilty or badly for letting a pet go 'too soon' or 'too late'. Our animal friends cannot speak for themselves, and we can only make the best decisions that we can at the time, knowing them as only 'we' know them.
There is already such a huge responsibility in taking on ownership of a pet, and most people do not do that lightly, and give it their all. Being a pet owner is more than the sum of the 'when' a tough decision must be made. It is the culmination of years of love and tenderness and thoughtfulness and care.
I hope people do not forget that.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 24, 2015 22:25:48 GMT
This article just popped on my Facebook feed and it addresses when to know when. I know there are other refupeas who question themselves about this tough decision. It's been seven years since I've had to make a decision like this and it still hurts my heart. linkThe last paragraphs stuck out to me: "It's ok to go out on a bit of a high note. It is one of the blessings of euthanasia, that we can say goodbye in a controlled, peaceful environment and eliminate the pain and stress of a crisis moment at the end. Death used to be as mysterious for me as it is for most people, but after years working with pets Death and I have become, if not friends, at least very collegial. With that under my belt, the only thing I can tell you with certainty is this: The only way you'll know that it's time, truly and without doubt, is when the pet actually stops breathing. Everything else is open to interpretation. Rarely do people tell me after the fact that they let a pet go too soon. If anything, most feel they waited too long. We have a saying in our field that I repeat on a daily basis to my clients: "It's better to be a week too early than a minute too late." that paragraph resonates with me too. I remember when we took our dog in for the last time. he walked into the vet's office on his own four paws, like he was just going in for a check up. at that moment, he was strong and almost youthful even if his internal pain and age said otherwise. it may have been a week too long but we believe at least it was not a week too late. we are good with that. It definitely is the worst thing about owning a pet but that is why we must be good puppy parents and make those kind of decisions.
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Post by jayfab on Sept 25, 2015 1:05:15 GMT
We're struggling with this right now with my little guy. He's 14.5 years old, has bad teeth, a big tumor thing on his leg (that doesn't hamper his mobility or seem to cause any pain), and he is getting kind of blind and a lot deaf. Still eats and drinks fine, loves his treats, chases stuff outside on occasion, likes to be around us. But he also has a bunch of exterior mast cell tumors that he's been scratching at, pukes on the bed or on the carpeted floor, and more problematic he has been going totally nuts barking at blank walls (we call it his "I see dead people!" thing), whines to go in and out constantly all day long for no reason (like 4 times in 20 minutes), and very lately has peed on the beds three times in less than two months requiring everything to be laundered. Ugh. Like DH says, the dog himself has no problem whatsoever with his quality of life but he's making OUR quality of life pretty miserable! He peed on our king size bed a couple nights ago after he'd been let out for the night beforehand, and after I had gone to bed myself. He didn't make any noise at all alerting me that he needed to go out, and I'm a super light sleeper so I would have woke up if he had. DH noticed it when he went to get in bed. It sucks having to strip your bed completely down to the mattress and remake it at 1:00 am when you're already dead tired. I'm sorry for what you are going thru. It's so gut wrenching and personal. It sounds like his kidneys might be failing? The reason I was thinking that is our Kasha would wet while sleeping. She didn't even know she was doing it. I noticed this after she would wake up after sleeping on the other side of the couch with me. Not long after and treatment wasn't helping she got so bad with lethargy we let her go.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 25, 2015 4:41:56 GMT
I'm sorry for what you are going thru. It's so gut wrenching and personal. It sounds like his kidneys might be failing? The reason I was thinking that is our Kasha would wet while sleeping. She didn't even know she was doing it. I noticed this after she would wake up after sleeping on the other side of the couch with me. Not long after and treatment wasn't helping she got so bad with lethargy we let her go. Thanks. He's been awake every time he's done it, and in fact has peed on the floor in the same way several times. Didn't make any sound or move to go to the door, just stood up, stretched in the middle of the room and let go on the floor right in front of DH. I'm thinking it has something to do with the big mass on his hind leg, like maybe it is growing inside his abdomen too and crowding his bladder or something. He had a chest x-Ray about a month or so ago and the vet said it wasn't in his bones. It really is time, I'm just having difficulty letting him go when he can seem so normal and aware. DH was done with all his crazy barking a year ago. It still stinks even when you know it's time.
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Post by jayfab on Sept 25, 2015 20:43:43 GMT
I'm sorry for what you are going thru. It's so gut wrenching and personal. It sounds like his kidneys might be failing? The reason I was thinking that is our Kasha would wet while sleeping. She didn't even know she was doing it. I noticed this after she would wake up after sleeping on the other side of the couch with me. Not long after and treatment wasn't helping she got so bad with lethargy we let her go. Thanks. He's been awake every time he's done it, and in fact has peed on the floor in the same way several times. Didn't make any sound or move to go to the door, just stood up, stretched in the middle of the room and let go on the floor right in front of DH. I'm thinking it has something to do with the big mass on his hind leg, like maybe it is growing inside his abdomen too and crowding his bladder or something. He had a chest x-Ray about a month or so ago and the vet said it wasn't in his bones. It really is time, I'm just having difficulty letting him go when he can seem so normal and aware. DH was done with all his crazy barking a year ago. It still stinks even when you know it's time. Aww, I agree, it sure does stink, it is so hard. I really believe it was one of the hardest decisions I ever had to make. Know that you've given him the best life ever. Good luck and hugs to you and your pup.
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Post by compwalla on Sept 25, 2015 21:31:13 GMT
One of my cats will be 19 next month. I know we are at the tail end of our time with her and we try to appreciate her as much as we can while we can. She's doing ok. She doesn't hear as well as she used to, she's lost some muscle mass, she isn't as springy as she used to be and sometimes needs help getting up on the bed and couch. She also has some kidney issues but is doing well on the prescription renal diet. As long as she's doing ok, doing her regular cat things, being social with us like usual and eating and drinking normally we are good. When it gets bad, I'm not about to put her through any painful or traumatizing treatments; we will send her off surrounded by people who love her.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Sept 25, 2015 23:26:43 GMT
One of my cats will be 19 next month. I know we are at the tail end of our time with her and we try to appreciate her as much as we can while we can. She's doing ok. She doesn't hear as well as she used to, she's lost some muscle mass, she isn't as springy as she used to be and sometimes needs help getting up on the bed and couch. She also has some kidney issues but is doing well on the prescription renal diet. As long as she's doing ok, doing her regular cat things, being social with us like usual and eating and drinking normally we are good. When it gets bad, I'm not about to put her through any painful or traumatizing treatments; we will send her off surrounded by people who love her. The cat my Gramma took me to pick out when I was 4 lived to just past 20. She had no health issues her entire life but developed kidney issues at the end. We already decided no crazy extreme measures. We did special food and administered IV treatments at home twice a week. After about a month her quality of life had drastically declined and we decided it was time. Always a hard decision.
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Post by scrapmaven on Sept 26, 2015 2:43:16 GMT
I put down my furry baby last month. It was a horrible decision to have to make and our vet was so kind and really helped us weigh our options. The only consolation was that we knew he was likely suffering. Losing a pet is a very different type of grief than losing a human loved one. I wish he could have told us what he needed.
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Post by hannamarin on Aug 2, 2016 6:44:55 GMT
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Post by Patter on Aug 2, 2016 10:39:05 GMT
We have lost 5 dogs over 27 years. Four of those dogs we had to make that terrible decision. The fifth one died on May 4th of this year suddenly and unexpectedly. He was even at the vet that morning for his annual checkup and was fine. He died then at 3 a.m. It was the most horrific death of any of our dogs. I still cry and can't look at his pictures yet because of all that happened for a few hours before his death. He suffered horribly and the images I have in my mind haunt me. Had he been put down, I would have felt much more at peace but this was sudden and unexpected.
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Post by sphmaz on Aug 2, 2016 13:29:43 GMT
My lab is 11.5 and we are struggling right now with this. I needed this article, thank you. It's such a hard decision to make and it kills me to have to make it.
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Post by jenjie on Aug 2, 2016 13:56:36 GMT
The article was helpful to me. Did anyone notice this thread is almost a year old and 3 posts above me we have a one post wonder bumping it trying to sell something? Or increase blog traffic...
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Post by jenjie on Aug 2, 2016 13:57:37 GMT
Patter I am so sorry. That sounds horrific for you and your dog.
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Post by Patter on Aug 2, 2016 13:59:20 GMT
The article was helpful to me. Did anyone notice this thread is almost a year old and 3 posts above me we have a one post wonder bumping it trying to sell something? Or increase blog traffic... Oh dear. Didn't notice that. I have got to get better at watching that! Thanks for pointing it out.
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Post by Patter on Aug 2, 2016 14:00:58 GMT
Patter I am so sorry. That sounds horrific for you and your dog. Thank you so much! Yes, it was horrific. And two of my girls were taking final exams at college so I couldn't tell them until they got home. They walked in the door and immediately asked where he was. It was awful ALL the way around. But the girls know I did everything I possibly could have for him which comforted them tremendously. They didn't see him so don't have the images I have. Some things will just be left between the Lord and myself. Now I just ask that He remove those images!
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Post by jenjie on Aug 2, 2016 14:12:45 GMT
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Post by compwalla on Aug 2, 2016 14:21:48 GMT
My cat is nearly twenty and has been living with kidney disease about two years. She's starting to decline quite a lot. We can only get her to eat about a teaspoon of food at a time and she's lost about a pound very quickly. But she still hangs around with me, still drinks, still hops into my lap while I'm on the couch. She's not acting like she's ready to die so we keep doing what we can for her. When she stops wanting to do the things she likes then we'll know. It's hard. My kids do not remember a time when we didn't have her.
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Post by shaniam on Aug 2, 2016 20:19:28 GMT
I had to have a cat put to sleep about a year ago. He had gotten very sick and I took him to specialists and was having to force feed him. I kept hoping he would get better. I waited to late to make the decision. He went so fast though. He was fine and two weeks later I hate to make that decision. It was much harder to go through it with him than when we had our dog put to sleep.
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Post by scrappintoee on Aug 3, 2016 8:34:47 GMT
(((( hugs ))))) to ALL of you!!! And Patter -----I am SO sorry about the extra trauma your baby, you, and your family have gone through, and I pray those images will leave your mind, too !!! We have only experienced one death so far; and it was only last year. Thankfully, he died QUICKLY and we don't think he suffered! He was a precious foster guy that we'd only had for a few DAYS, but we already loved him! He was dumped in the street---in JULY----I can't even believe he survived the heat! He was also elderly, blind, and we knew he wasn't healthy, BUT--our vet thought he'd be around a while. This past Sunday, we THOUGHT our 12-year-old foster/adopted guy might be dying, but it was an allergic reaction to a stupid asshole bug (or so the vet is speculating)---he got an injection of dexamethasone, and was on oxygen a few hours in the ICU, and came home the next day. He is okay for now, but he does also have severe arthritis and some other issues. We thought he MIGHT need to be put down on Monday; but he's not showing signs of that ---yet---- It kills us to think of him suffering in any way. He's an English bulldog, and 12 is considered EXTREMELY elderly in this breed, so we know the time is coming soon.
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Post by cakediva on Aug 3, 2016 12:22:28 GMT
I have a feeling we are nearing that decision in our house - certainly not in the immediate future, but within the next year or two.
We have unconfirmed Cushings (the vet assured us it was not wrong to do the expensive confirmation tests & treat it, that it would progress anyway) and a serious heart murmur.
In May she had a series of seizures over two days, each shorter than the one before. And hadn't had one since, so we chalked it up to the possibility that she ate some lawn fertilizer bits that were at the edge of the garden. But Monday she had two short ones, both around a minute long. So we are keeping an extra close eye on her.
Other than that, she is mostly happy go lucky - always under foot, looking for treats any time you enter the kitchen. So the idea of putting her to sleep right now seems silly since 98% of the time she seems totally fine.
But I can't help but think that the end is nearing for her in the next while. She's 11, so not a young thing either.
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on Aug 3, 2016 15:46:53 GMT
In March we put our girl Daisy down. She had kidney failure. By the time we realized it, it was pretty far along. She was up and about just fine, still playing, but not eating. Basically I was forcing her to eat by force feed. We had her on special food. We even tried human food, nope didn't want any of it.
I talked to the vet and techs alot at the office. Cried, many times (had a couple of the techs and office girls crying), because I did not want her to suffer at all. A very nice tech said this is something she is not going to recover from. She only has a few weeks, take her home over the weekend, feed her whatever she wants, make her lasts days good. Bring her in when your ready (is anyone ever ready!?!). That's what we did. She had not even reached her 7th birthday.
It still hurts, but I feel we did the right thing.
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Post by perumbula on Aug 3, 2016 16:08:30 GMT
our dog died naturally at home, but we were getting close to making this decision. Our current dog is three so we hopefully have many years left with her.
The worst is when people judge you for it. When my sister was looking to adopt a couple of cats in the Chicago area, she had a horrible time. They asked a lot of intrusive questions, including have you ever euthanized a pet? She was turned down by more than one rescue group because she had to say yes. It was a truly traumatic decision for her. that dog was her baby and she was horrified and outraged that they would judge her for that decision without any background info.
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