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Post by Bridget in MD on Nov 18, 2015 12:05:59 GMT
Unfortunately yes, and London too. I think so too. We are scheduled to leave tomorrow to visit London, and I am full of anxiety... I keep thinking about Rick Steve's (travel guy) advice to say don't let terrrorists win, but a part of me thinks they already have.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 18, 2015 12:08:19 GMT
Yes, I do, and I expect it will be a metropolitan city. But I'm also not rethinking any of my travel plans in 2016. I'm more afraid of living in fear, if that makes any sense. Same here.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Nov 18, 2015 12:13:53 GMT
Yes, and I think they will attempt to come in as 'refugees'. You DO know that it takes 18-24 months in a holding area to be admitted to the US as a refugee, right?
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Post by peppermintpatty on Nov 18, 2015 12:16:51 GMT
Well, I live very, very close to DC and yes, I think it will happen, again. DC is always on high security and we have been that way for the past 14 years. It is normal around here.
While Paris was tragic, what about the US where places like Baltimore have had over 300 shooting deaths so far this year? We kill a hell of a lot more of our own than terrorists do. I understand the difference, I'm just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 12:21:45 GMT
Yes, and I think they will attempt to come in as 'refugees'. You DO know that it takes 18-24 months in a holding area to be admitted to the US as a refugee, right? They aren't held there as prisoners though, right? One of them walked away from Baton Rouge already, no one knows where he is. There is no one keeping tabs on them, if they don't want to be tracked, they just leave. Not a comforting thought.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Nov 18, 2015 12:28:36 GMT
Sad to say, yes I think there will be an attack. But I don't think it will be on the big tourist attractions that they have been talking about posting extra guards around in DC. Scary for me, my DD lives right outside DC. None of the Paris attacks were at big tourist attractions, just normal daily places. That's where I think they will attack here, too. If they really wanted to attack us they would hit Disney. That would hit us where it hurts. ITA. We had 9/11 and we were shocked, we mourned, but then we moved on, mostly unafraid. People still visit NY and DC, people still fly. They want us afraid. They want us scared. They want to impact our daily lives. So when they do attack, I think it won't be on the grand scale of 9/11 but a coordinated effort on a smaller scale, like Paris. Make us question our decisions to attend a concert, a sporting event, to go to the mall, etc. Make us, on some small level, afraid to do those things, even if it is subconsciously.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 18, 2015 12:40:28 GMT
Yes I do. This morning as my husband boarded the ferry to NYC, there were 10 policemen and a bomb-sniffing dog inspecting passengers as they boarded. In this area, we live with this reality 24/7, knowing that it could happen not just in the U.S. but to us personally. 9/11 was a game changer.
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 18, 2015 12:49:03 GMT
Actually going after the water supply is one of their key tactics, at least in actual battlefield scenarios. It would not be as effective as a terror strategy though.
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Post by msliz on Nov 18, 2015 12:57:51 GMT
They'll send suicide bombers to blow up all the countries major bridges.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 18, 2015 13:03:30 GMT
Well, I live very, very close to DC and yes, I think it will happen, again. DC is always on high security and we have been that way for the past 14 years. It is normal around here. While Paris was tragic, what about the US where places like Baltimore have had over 300 shooting deaths so far this year? We kill a hell of a lot more of our own than terrorists do. I understand the difference, I'm just saying. I agree, but it's "easy" to ignore those deaths. SMH Don't give them ideas folks. Don't list how you think they'll target us. I won't live in fear. I won't give in to all these ideas of where they are and what they may do. I won't let fear control me. I have enough to worry about without this, too.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 18, 2015 13:45:26 GMT
Yes, and I think they will attempt to come in as 'refugees'. And I think that it will come from people who were born and raised in the States.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 18, 2015 13:45:31 GMT
Yes.
And at this particular moment in time I am extremely grateful we no longer live in the DC area.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 18, 2015 13:53:48 GMT
Oh, and also, coming home from Chicago Monday night on the train we observed 3 policemen patrolling the train. Now, I don't travel to Chicago all that often but I've never seen that on any of my trips. But my mother in law goes just about every weekend, and she commented that she has never seen that either. And this was not like Amtrak or anything. It is a dinky little commuter train. It made us very uneasy. It cast a long shadow on what was a super fun girls day in Chicago. I mean, I'm grateful they were there and it's nice to know that the area is taking the heightened security issues seriously, but it just really really sucks that we have to be constantly on guard about he possibility of a terrorist attack no matter where we go. We loved all the buildings lit up for France Monday night. My in laws wound up stranded in Paris the day after 9/11 when they were trying to get home from Italy. She said the French people were so incredibly kind and generous with them when they learned that they were Americans. She has never forgotten their kindness in those days. She's been pretty upset by what happened in Paris last week so she really liked seeing the support here for France.
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 18, 2015 13:58:02 GMT
Yes, and I think they will attempt to come in as 'refugees'. And I think that it will come from people who were born and raised in the States. I agree. I believe that there is more reason to think of homegrown terrorists than foreign ones. All the mass shootings in the States are a prime example of homegrown terrorism. I think it's naive to think that foreigners will do more damage than homegrown.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 18, 2015 14:24:59 GMT
And I think that it will come from people who were born and raised in the States. I agree. I believe that there is more reason to think of homegrown terrorists than foreign ones. All the mass shootings in the States are a prime example of homegrown terrorism. I think it's naive to think that foreigners will do more damage than homegrown. Even getting past the young white male mass shooter, if we are strictly speaking about ISIS - there's no need for them to bring in an outsider when there are already so many marginalized US citizens who are ripe for radicalization. We saw it here just a year ago.
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 18, 2015 14:39:36 GMT
I agree. I believe that there is more reason to think of homegrown terrorists than foreign ones. All the mass shootings in the States are a prime example of homegrown terrorism. I think it's naive to think that foreigners will do more damage than homegrown. Even getting past the young white male mass shooter, if we are strictly speaking about ISIS - there's no need for them to bring in an outsider when there are already so many marginalized US citizens who are ripe for radicalization. We saw it here just a year ago. Precisely. So remind me why people are scared of refugees?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 14:53:21 GMT
You DO know that it takes 18-24 months in a holding area to be admitted to the US as a refugee, right? They aren't held there as prisoners though, right? One of them walked away from Baton Rouge already, no one knows where he is. There is no one keeping tabs on them, if they don't want to be tracked, they just leave. Not a comforting thought. You can rest easy, he's fine and all accounted for link
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Nov 18, 2015 15:11:04 GMT
I don't understand the mindset that says, we already have people in our society who want to do us harm, so why not take the risk to let some more slip in with the refugees. It's crazy talk.
No one denies these refugees need help. But look at a map. There are enough countries in the Middle East that can take them in right now.
But for a few countries, the Middle East region does not have a strategy for crushing the evil that is Daesh. Why is it always countries outside the region: US, UK, France, Canada, Germany, Australia- that has to clean up the mess?
I don't trust the vetting system. The Boston Bombers were refugees. Even when Russian intelligence warned the US of the violent Islamic terrorist Tsarnaev they intelligence community failed. The response from the Administration was that the failure was because of a "spelling issue". And you think they can get the vetting process right?
The rise of the JV team is unprecedented. They have said they are coming. If they can slip in as a refugee they will. Believe them.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 18, 2015 15:16:19 GMT
I don't understand the mindset that says, we already have people in our society who want to do us harm, so why not take the risk to let some more slip in with the refugees. It's crazy talk. No one denies these refugees need help. But look at a map. There are enough countries in the Middle East that can take them in right now. But for a few countries, the Middle East region does not have a strategy for crushing the evil that is Daesh. Why is it always countries outside the region: US, UK, France, Canada, Germany, Australia- that has to clean up the mess? I don't trust the vetting system. The Boston Bombers were refugees. Even when Russian intelligence warned the US of the violent Islamic terrorist Tsarnaev they intelligence community failed. The response from the Administration was that the failure was because of a "spelling issue". And you think they can get the vetting process right? The rise of the JV team is unprecedented. They have said they are coming. If they can slip in as a refugee they will. Believe them. The Boston Bombers were not refugees.
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Post by ~Susan~ on Nov 18, 2015 15:17:07 GMT
soon, as in next 12 months? I think ISIS is already here and it would be naive or wishful thinking to think otherwise. I mean, not one intelligence agency picked up on Paris? What if they go old school, leaving notes, codes, etc. Not everything has to be done on the internet or over the phone. Thoughts? I have read that they possibly communicate through gaming systems which wouldn't be detected by any agencies. Scary thought. I just heard about that is morning. Scary and crazy at the same time.
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Post by RiverIsis on Nov 18, 2015 15:23:00 GMT
I don't understand the mindset that says, we already have people in our society who want to do us harm, so why not take the risk to let some more slip in with the refugees. It's crazy talk. No one denies these refugees need help. But look at a map. There are enough countries in the Middle East that can take them in right now. But for a few countries, the Middle East region does not have a strategy for crushing the evil that is Daesh. Why is it always countries outside the region: US, UK, France, Canada, Germany, Australia- that has to clean up the mess? I don't trust the vetting system. The Boston Bombers were refugees. Even when Russian intelligence warned the US of the violent Islamic terrorist Tsarnaev they intelligence community failed. The response from the Administration was that the failure was because of a "spelling issue". And you think they can get the vetting process right? The rise of the JV team is unprecedented. They have said they are coming. If they can slip in as a refugee they will. Believe them. BECAUSE there are already multiple easier ways to gain entry into the USA than by being a refugee.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Nov 18, 2015 15:28:15 GMT
I don't understand the mindset that says, we already have people in our society who want to do us harm, so why not take the risk to let some more slip in with the refugees. It's crazy talk. No one denies these refugees need help. But look at a map. There are enough countries in the Middle East that can take them in right now. But for a few countries, the Middle East region does not have a strategy for crushing the evil that is Daesh. Why is it always countries outside the region: US, UK, France, Canada, Germany, Australia- that has to clean up the mess? I don't trust the vetting system. The Boston Bombers were refugees. Even when Russian intelligence warned the US of the violent Islamic terrorist Tsarnaev they intelligence community failed. The response from the Administration was that the failure was because of a "spelling issue". And you think they can get the vetting process right? The rise of the JV team is unprecedented. They have said they are coming. If they can slip in as a refugee they will. Believe them. The Boston Bombers were not refugees. The came into the US with tourist visas and were granted asylum, seeking refugee status from the conflict in Chechnya.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 18, 2015 15:32:52 GMT
The Boston Bombers were not refugees. The came into the US with tourist visas and were granted asylum, seeking refugee status from the conflict in Chechnya. No, they sought asylum status. If you are looking for an example of a failing in the refugee vetting process, you are looking in the wrong place - the vetting processes for refugees and asylees are very different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 15:33:53 GMT
Oh, and also, coming home from Chicago Monday night on the train we observed 3 policemen patrolling the train. Now, I don't travel to Chicago all that often but I've never seen that on any of my trips. But my mother in law goes just about every weekend, and she commented that she has never seen that either. And this was not like Amtrak or anything. It is a dinky little commuter train. It made us very uneasy. It cast a long shadow on what was a super fun girls day in Chicago. I mean, I'm grateful they were there and it's nice to know that the area is taking the heightened security issues seriously, but it just really really sucks that we have to be constantly on guard about he possibility of a terrorist attack no matter where we go.
We loved all the buildings lit up for France Monday night. My in laws wound up stranded in Paris the day after 9/11 when they were trying to get home from Italy. She said the French people were so incredibly kind and generous with them when they learned that they were Americans. She has never forgotten their kindness in those days. She's been pretty upset by what happened in Paris last week so she really liked seeing the support here for France. The same thought crossed my mind last night as I was watching the soccer game between England and France. It was scheduled way before the events in Paris but it was decided that it should still go ahead. It was very moving to see the show of solidarity between two countries but it did make me feel so sad watching Wembley stadium being patrolled by armed counter terrorism police. Although security is always there it was gut wrenching to think that, in a country where even the police are not armed, these vile people have made it necessary to have such visible armed protection. It was just so un-British and totally alien to what we are used to in this country. Here's a video of the beginning of the game with Prince William laying a wreath of remembrance.
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Post by RiverIsis on Nov 18, 2015 16:03:22 GMT
Oh, and also, coming home from Chicago Monday night on the train we observed 3 policemen patrolling the train. Now, I don't travel to Chicago all that often but I've never seen that on any of my trips. But my mother in law goes just about every weekend, and she commented that she has never seen that either. And this was not like Amtrak or anything. It is a dinky little commuter train. It made us very uneasy. It cast a long shadow on what was a super fun girls day in Chicago. I mean, I'm grateful they were there and it's nice to know that the area is taking the heightened security issues seriously, but it just really really sucks that we have to be constantly on guard about he possibility of a terrorist attack no matter where we go.
We loved all the buildings lit up for France Monday night. My in laws wound up stranded in Paris the day after 9/11 when they were trying to get home from Italy. She said the French people were so incredibly kind and generous with them when they learned that they were Americans. She has never forgotten their kindness in those days. She's been pretty upset by what happened in Paris last week so she really liked seeing the support here for France. The same thought crossed my mind last night as I was watching the soccer game between England and France. It was scheduled way before the events in Paris but it was decided that it should still go ahead. It was very moving to see the show of solidarity between two countries but it did make me feel so sad watching Wembley stadium being patrolled by armed counter terrorism police. Although security is always there it was gut wrenching to think that, in a country where even the police are not armed, these vile people have made it necessary to have such visible armed protection. It was just so un-British and totally alien to what we are used to in this country. Here's a video of the beginning of the game with Prince William laying a wreath of remembrance.Very eerie to hear the thrumming of the police helicopters overhead during the minute of silence but heart lifting to hear La Marseillaise in full voice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 22:39:56 GMT
Yes, and I think they will attempt to come in as 'refugees'. You DO know that it takes 18-24 months in a holding area to be admitted to the US as a refugee, right? These lunatics have the mindset to strap bombs to themselves or to children. I don't think a slight delay and using that time to radicalize others is much of deterrent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 22:44:43 GMT
Probably, but I don't spend much time worrying about it...probably because I've felt like our country has been under siege for a long time already with the number of mass shootings we've had in public places and school campuses.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 18, 2015 22:59:20 GMT
I hate to say it but I think they are here, laying in wait. <<shudder>>
when I was renewing our annual passes for Disneyland, the though crossed my mind, "what if....". but I refuse to live in fear. the fact that we continue to live our lives (albeit more aware and cautious) is a statement against terrorism.
but seriously folks, SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING.
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Post by trollie on Nov 19, 2015 1:45:44 GMT
Sadly, I think an attemptt here is inevitable. I am also concerned about the 2016 Olympics in Rio
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Post by grammanisi on Nov 19, 2015 2:13:37 GMT
After hearing about the video that says NYC is next, it makes me think of the Thanksgiving Day parades and the ball drop on NYE.
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