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Post by happymomma on Jan 24, 2016 7:05:20 GMT
I'm a reader at Websleuths.com, and have followed many cases there. I just became aware of a small child that disappeared during a camping trip in Idaho in July. Normally when I come across a case that is new to me, I read back through all of the threads/posts about the case to get up to speed. In this case, however, there are 15 threads of about 1,000 posts each, and they're onto thread 16. It would take me weeks to start at the beginning. Are there any Peas that have been following this case that could give me the "Cliff's Notes" version of it? Background, theories, progress, important events, etc.? I hope and pray, as always, that this toddler can be found, but so much time has passed. It must be truly heartbreaking for his family. He's such an adorable little guy.  |
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Post by theshyone on Jan 24, 2016 7:53:53 GMT
Cliff notes:
Great grandpa invites weird friend to go camping
Joined by
His granddaughter Jessica , her fiancé Deorr and their little guy Deoorr Jr.
Story 1) weird friend, Jessica, Deorr go to creek to look, leaving little Deorr with GGPA. They come back GGPA says he thought baby was with them
Story 2) weird friend, Jessica, Deorr go to creek to look, leaving little Deorr with GGPA. They come back GGPA says he turned away and baby was gone
Story 3) someone abducted him
Story 4) he was taken away by animals
Story 5) he never made it to campground in first place
Story 6) someone came into a closed off search area to dump cremains at a nearby resovoir which prevented dogs from scenting
Story 7) no scent was ever found
Fact: a recently hired PI by the name of Klein could find no proof of abduction, no proof of animals, says a new witness has come forward and arrests are imminent. Money for this PI was crowd sourced, family raised
Theories are weird friend killed him
I've followed since the story broke but on FB, first PI excused himself for some cloudy reason, many think Klein is a con-artist/crooked
This Klein dude has said social media has been absolutely detrimental to case, people are like rabid animals intimidating all possible witnesses, there has been no released proof he was even at the campsite.
I'm scared that he never went at all, that he was killed & disposed of prior to trip, that weird friend was brought along to take the fall
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Post by theshyone on Jan 24, 2016 7:56:32 GMT
Snake River goes through the nearby town, it has a reputation of taking bodies and never releasing them.
It's unknown if the store in that town can cooperate Deorr was there or not
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Post by happymomma on Jan 24, 2016 9:36:07 GMT
Thanks theshyone for that info. So...between the time I posted this and now, I've been snooping around FB and WOW, what a mucked up mess! The pages I found had more drama and arguing between pro-family and anti-family than real information. I did find a story about a Jeep that it now looks like the mom made up to support the abduction theory. It seems as though this Klein PI spilled the beans on the mom about that. It looks as though I'll be going down the rabbit hole of this case in the morning and beginning to read the past threads on WS. They do a pretty good job there of enforcing factual posting, so hopefully I'll be able to cut through all the bs that's on social media. I pray for this beautiful boy. What a tragedy no matter what happened. He is just as adorable as can be.  |
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Post by theshyone on Jan 24, 2016 18:07:18 GMT
He is.
Sadly parental abuse, parental killings are far too common.
Klein requested all FB groups except the family one be closed and deleted. Many were. I know of two that stayed open besides the family ones. Absolutely filled with drama, screen shots, and just why? But then the family seems to fuel 80% of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 19:43:03 GMT
Not following the case too closely, but I've known about his abduction since the beginning. I think the family is involved, I haven't done any in depth reading. I could be wrong.
ETA: I should have said disappearance from the beginning not abduction. I think the family knows what happened and he is probably dead.
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Post by mochi on Jan 25, 2016 4:15:58 GMT
I have never heard of this case. Thank you theshyone for the summary. I follow several cases there (mainly Michigan ones), but it's so sad when the cases don't have any resolution. My heart aches for the poor families that have lost their loved one. |
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Post by happymomma on Jan 25, 2016 4:37:41 GMT
I have never heard of this case. Thank you theshyone for the summary. I follow several cases there (mainly Michigan ones), but it's so sad when the cases don't have any resolution. My heart aches for the poor families that have lost their loved one. Are you following Julia Niswender's case? I haven't checked in on that one for a few days. I'm a Michigan girl, so I like the Michigan ones too. |
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Post by mochi on Jan 25, 2016 4:43:57 GMT
I have never heard of this case. Thank you theshyone for the summary. I follow several cases there (mainly Michigan ones), but it's so sad when the cases don't have any resolution. My heart aches for the poor families that have lost their loved one. Are you following Julia Niswender's case? I haven't checked in on that one for a few days. I'm a Michigan girl, so I like the Michigan ones too. Yes, I follow Julia's case. I need to catch up reading too. I keep hoping for a break, but it seems like it has been too long. Do you think it was her stepdad? Do you follow Chelsea Bruck's case? |
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Post by happymomma on Jan 25, 2016 5:09:08 GMT
Are you following Julia Niswender's case? I haven't checked in on that one for a few days. I'm a Michigan girl, so I like the Michigan ones too. Yes, I follow Julia's case. I need to catch up reading too. I keep hoping for a break, but it seems like it has been too long. Do you think it was her stepdad? Do you follow Chelsea Bruck's case? I actually do not feel it was her stepdad. As for Chelsea, I did follow her case for a wile some time ago, but haven't in a long time. I've been pretty wrapped up in the Beverly Carter case, from start to finish as well as some others. You do know of the eerie link between Julia and Chelsea right? Weird coincidence or something more??? |
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Post by happymomma on Jan 25, 2016 19:56:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:21:54 GMT
One thing that stuck out to me (honestly can't remember the source). The campground is remote. Campers would notice a strange vehicle or someone they didn't recognize. Also for the parents to say it was probably a kidnapper instead of him wandering off was odd. |
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Post by theshyone on Jan 26, 2016 6:46:04 GMT
I was just hoping it would be an arrest not a suspects announcements, it's so very sad to even speculate on it. Lines are firmly being drawn in the sand by friends and family. Either you are with them or you aren't. It has got to be hard. No one wants to believe that their loved one is capable of something like this. |
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Post by happymomma on Jan 26, 2016 6:50:32 GMT
I was just hoping it would be an arrest not a suspects announcements, it's so very sad to even speculate on it. Lines are firmly being drawn in the sand by friends and family. Either you are with them or you aren't. It has got to be hard. No one wants to believe that their loved one is capable of something like this. I've been stuck with the case all dang day! Arrests would've been great but it appears they just don't have much, if anything, to arrest them on. I suspect that naming them as suspects might be a way of turning up the heat and either getting them to come clean or getting them to slip up. As of now, dad has an attorney and mom doesn't, which could play out in a very interesting way. |
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Post by DinCA on Jan 26, 2016 6:58:20 GMT
I've been a member there since Caylee Anthony was killed but I completely missed this case somehow. I heard about it for the first time today. That poor baby.
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Post by happymomma on Jan 26, 2016 7:51:47 GMT
I've been a member there since Caylee Anthony was killed but I completely missed this case somehow. I heard about it for the first time today. That poor baby. Easy to miss cases as there are so many there. I usually end up finding them through another case I'm following that talks about them. I've been a member there for a long time, but didn't actively follow anything for a few years until I retired. Now I spend too much time there, just like here. I seem to follow cases that start as missing persons, though not always. I don't think I've followed any cases that were hugely high profile nationally, like Casey Anthony, etc. I did follow the Jodi Arias one toward the end. The hugely high profile ones are a bit harder for me to keep up with or catch up with if I don't get it at the start because of the sheer volume of posts. I just followed Beverly Carter for 16 months, as I somehow stumbled on it literally the day after she went missing. It was great to follow one from start to finish, you really learn a lot about the legal system as well as the human mind. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 26, 2016 13:53:18 GMT
...you really learn a lot about the legal system as well as the human mind. I've visited WebSleuths a few times. I really like how it's moderated; people are not allowed to speculate about victims or prospective bad guys willy-nilly. On the other hand, it drives me absolutely crazy that people routinely draw conclusions about complete strangers based on facial expression, eye gaze, and body position in SPLIT SECOND photos...or based on word choice or vocal tone in an interview or 911 call. There seems to be an expectation among many that we should all talk, act, react, and grieve alike. If we don't, it's suspicious - or even damning I think conformation bias is, for lack of a better word, "contagious" on the Internet. It's like we're giving each other permission to speculate or form conclusions based on ambiguous evidence, fleeting impressions, and - worse - hunches." I really appreciate when a poster steps in and cautions others. The whole phenomenon has caused me to think - no, worry - a lot about the way jurors form their decisions. |
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Post by happymomma on Jan 26, 2016 16:52:14 GMT
...you really learn a lot about the legal system as well as the human mind. I've visited WebSleuths a few times. I really like how it's moderated; people are not allowed to speculate about victims or prospective bad guys willy-nilly. On the other hand, it drives me absolutely crazy that people routinely draw conclusions about complete strangers based on facial expression, eye gaze, and body position in SPLIT SECOND photos...or based on word choice or vocal tone in an interview or 911 call. There seems to be an expectation among many that we should all talk, act, react, and grieve alike. If we don't, it's suspicious - or even damning I think conformation bias is, for lack of a better word, "contagious" on the Internet. It's like we're giving each other permission to speculate or form conclusions based on ambiguous evidence, fleeting impressions, and - worse - hunches." I really appreciate when a poster steps in and cautions others. The whole phenomenon has caused me to think - no, worry - a lot about the way jurors form their decisions. It is strictly but reasonably moderated. For example in this baby DeOrr case, many members felt the parents were suspect due to watching their interviews, reading things that just didn't add up, flaws in their explanations, changing details, etc. BUT...LE hadn't yet named them as suspects and because of that people were not allowed to go down that road. The site is victim friendly and that extends to family of the victim UNTIL they are named as a suspect. Sleuthing or implying guilt is just not allowed until that point. So yesterday there were an awful lot of posters who were glad to see that happen so those facts and details and theories can finally be brought out for discussion. Turns out that LE had suspected the parents all along but were saying they were solid and only yesterday let the cat outta the bag. |
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 26, 2016 19:45:59 GMT
Yes, I follow Julia's case. I need to catch up reading too. I keep hoping for a break, but it seems like it has been too long. Do you think it was her stepdad? Do you follow Chelsea Bruck's case? I actually do not feel it was her stepdad. As for Chelsea, I did follow her case for a wile some time ago, but haven't in a long time. I've been pretty wrapped up in the Beverly Carter case, from start to finish as well as some others. You do know of the eerie link between Julia and Chelsea right? Weird coincidence or something more??? I'd be interested in the cliff notes version of these stories, especially if there is a link. |
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Post by theshyone on Jan 26, 2016 23:52:38 GMT
I have friends really near the Idaho falls, the initial missing posts crossed my FB because off them.
Then Alberta had it's on amber alert , missing child, murdered child, and someone brought up Deorr. I'd thought it had been resolved when it quit hitting my Facebook, but instead the parents didn't push publicity, Klein tried to shut it down.
Similiar to a young boy with autism missing during the summer fall, the cousin comes back, he stays missing, nothing to be found about him or resolution of case.
My nephew was "Dad-napped" at 3 and wasn't located till 15. I know how devastating a missing child is.
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Post by DinCA on Jan 27, 2016 0:51:40 GMT
...you really learn a lot about the legal system as well as the human mind. I've visited WebSleuths a few times. I really like how it's moderated; people are not allowed to speculate about victims or prospective bad guys willy-nilly. On the other hand, it drives me absolutely crazy that people routinely draw conclusions about complete strangers based on facial expression, eye gaze, and body position in SPLIT SECOND photos...or based on word choice or vocal tone in an interview or 911 call. There seems to be an expectation among many that we should all talk, act, react, and grieve alike. If we don't, it's suspicious - or even damning I think conformation bias is, for lack of a better word, "contagious" on the Internet. It's like we're giving each other permission to speculate or form conclusions based on ambiguous evidence, fleeting impressions, and - worse - hunches." I really appreciate when a poster steps in and cautions others. The whole phenomenon has caused me to think - no, worry - a lot about the way jurors form their decisions. It is a well-moderated board. When I first joined, you were not allowed to comment until you had read the entire thread. That is not the case now and the repetition and regurgitation of posters who haven't done their homework drives me nuts so I don't visit as often as I used to. |
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Post by DinCA on Jan 27, 2016 1:00:09 GMT
I've been a member there since Caylee Anthony was killed but I completely missed this case somehow. I heard about it for the first time today. That poor baby. Easy to miss cases as there are so many there. I usually end up finding them through another case I'm following that talks about them. I've been a member there for a long time, but didn't actively follow anything for a few years until I retired. Now I spend too much time there, just like here. I seem to follow cases that start as missing persons, though not always. I don't think I've followed any cases that were hugely high profile nationally, like Casey Anthony, etc. I did follow the Jodi Arias one toward the end. The hugely high profile ones are a bit harder for me to keep up with or catch up with if I don't get it at the start because of the sheer volume of posts. I just followed Beverly Carter for 16 months, as I somehow stumbled on it literally the day after she went missing. It was great to follow one from start to finish, you really learn a lot about the legal system as well as the human mind. I generally go to the site when someone goes missing, too. I've followed about a dozen missing children's cases. They are devastating to follow, however. I was a court reporter before I retired so court cases, in general, still fascinate me. And I've learned a lot. I am continually amazed by the information some of the members are able to dig up. And there have been a few cases where law enforcement actually participated on the boards. That was very interesting. |
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Post by happymomma on Jan 28, 2016 2:09:10 GMT
Sh*t's gettin real.
This case is blowing up NOW.
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Post by theshyone on Jan 28, 2016 2:38:28 GMT
Sh*t's gettin real. This case is blowing up NOW. I've been away from FB all day, what's happening. I have spotty service right now too. any arrests? Body found? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 4:22:51 GMT
Sh*t's gettin real. This case is blowing up NOW.  Links to a news source? |
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Post by happymomma on Jan 28, 2016 7:23:17 GMT
Well, now that the parents have been named as suspects, their former private eye has come forth to explain that the reason he quit is that he knew they were lying. The sheriff did interview with the media and said they've been untruthful since day one. The friend of the grandpa gave an interview on TV. That prompted lots of talk. So much info is coming out now about how LE feels the parents are involved, as well as do both the former AND the current private eye. I guess the former PI had wanted to take the case nationwide and offer a $20,000 reward and the parents refused to let him. Just lots and lots of things that are not adding up. The father has an attorney, but the wife doesn't as of yet. Word is that they have split up. Father's attorney made some public statements which were rebutted by the current PI. It's a big mess but hopes are that the pressure will cause one or both of the parents to crack soon so that their precious baby boy can be found.
As for links...I'd just Google DeOrr Kunz and click on the News tab. Or add in some of the following names: 1st PI is named Vilt. Current one is Klein. Witness/POI is named Isaac Reinwand. Sheriff is Bowerman.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 13:28:35 GMT
.I'd just Google DeOrr Kunz and click on the News tab. Or add in some of the following names: 1st PI is named Vilt. Current one is Klein. Witness/POI is named Isaac Reinwand. Sheriff is Bowerman. I did google DeOrr's name and the most current article was Jan. 25. I just tried the other names and nothing recent came up. |
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Post by happymomma on Jan 28, 2016 13:55:18 GMT
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Post by happymomma on Jan 28, 2016 19:03:54 GMT
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Links to a news source?