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Post by Karmady on May 15, 2016 5:13:07 GMT
So...I'm taking a course at a well know university. I have one assignment left that I'm working on for tomorrow which is when the course ends. I've finished most of it but I was doing research and found some important online info from another university. As I'm reading, I notice that he info looks familiar. I go back to my online guidebook and lessons. The professor has cut and paste entire segments from this other university No references given. WTH? I'd love to say that the info my professor used was plagarized by the other university but our info/guidebook with lessons is not available to the general public. I'm really shocked. If I or anyone else did this, we'd be called out and be dealt with by an advisory committee. My first thought was to call them out but I don't want it to affect my marks. I still have one more course after this one and it may be with this same professor. What do the peas think? Should I email the prof and ask for clarification? Maybe they have some sort of academic agreement with the other university? (I'm thinking that they don't or they would reference something in the course introduction) or should I not say anything?
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Post by paget on May 15, 2016 5:20:28 GMT
If I decided to say something I would wait until all my grades were in - including your final class. If it's true, that's awful. I probably would say something.
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Post by mlynn on May 15, 2016 5:34:24 GMT
Timing is everything.
I don't understand why you would ask for clarification. I would report it to the university and let them deal with the situation.
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Post by java on May 15, 2016 5:44:37 GMT
Just a couple of thoughts. The professor could possibly be teaching at the other university. Another thought, he may know the professor and even if he does not; there is often a professional exchange between professors work that they do not consider plagiarism. There is also the big debate especially with the large amount of online courses as to the ownership of "intellectual property".
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Post by pjaye on May 15, 2016 6:20:10 GMT
I'd assume there's more to it than you know.
If you can find it that easily, you'd have to assume that plenty of other people can too, so if it's that easy to find, it seems highly doubtful that someone in that capacity would do something so deliberately wrong and have it out there for any student to find with a few mouse clicks. Do you really think you are the only person ever to have found this information?
I'd say there's a perfectly good reason behind this that you just aren't aware of, and I'd say don't make yourself look like a smart ass to your professor especially if you plan to take another course by him.
*If* it really is big deal and it really is plagiarism, then someone else will find it just as easily as you did...and let them deal with it. The professors can hash it out between themselves, no need for a student who is still taking courses and being graded to put themselves in the middle of a shit storm.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 15, 2016 6:49:40 GMT
Looks like you might make a massive fool of yourself here. You are not in possession of the full facts and until you are, I would keep your gob shut.
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Post by Karmady on May 15, 2016 9:18:57 GMT
I'd assume there's more to it than you know. If you can find it that easily, you'd have to assume that plenty of other people can too, so if it's that easy to find, it seems highly doubtful that someone in that capacity would do something so deliberately wrong and have it out there for any student to find with a few mouse clicks. Do you really think you are the only person ever to have found this information? I'd say there's a perfectly good reason behind this that you just aren't aware of, and I'd say don't make yourself look like a smart ass to your professor especially if you plan to take another course by him. *If* it really is big deal and it really is plagiarism, then someone else will find it just as easily as you did...and let them deal with it. The professors can hash it out between themselves, no need for a student who is still taking courses and being graded to put themselves in the middle of a shit storm. I was hoping/thinking that there was a good reason behind it. I doubt that the prof is teaching at both universities, they're in different countries and don't make reference to each other in any of their research. I've been reading through their work. The article at the other university says written and revised by Professor X. The information at my university says "copyright Professor Y, University of....". But the info is not available online to the general public. It's not intellectual property or general knowledge. The topics are slightly different but several paragraphs are literally cut and paste into the context of the article, word for word. From my previous experiences, university courses generally offer more than a google searched "cut and paste" article. It's usually based on funded research or compilations of other's research. Anyway, nothing has been said, but it was certainly eye opening. Since I've used information from the other paper, I will be referencing it for my own assignment.
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Post by miominmio on May 15, 2016 9:21:21 GMT
Plagiarism happen in academia, too. But I would wait until I have graduated before doing anything. Protect your own interests first, and then contact the other university.
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Post by Karmady on May 15, 2016 9:27:08 GMT
Plagiarism happen in academia, too. But I would wait until I have graduated before doing anything. Protect your own interests first, and then contact the other university. From what I've been reading, it happens regularly in academia. I had no idea.
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Post by miominmio on May 15, 2016 9:44:00 GMT
Plagiarism happen in academia, too. But I would wait until I have graduated before doing anything. Protect your own interests first, and then contact the other university. From what I've been reading, it happens regularly in academia. I had no idea. It's a very backstabbing and walk-over-dead-bodies-if-necessary environment. Most are honest and hardworking, but there are a surprising amount of persons who are willing to do anything.
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Post by Karmady on May 15, 2016 9:54:13 GMT
From what I've been reading, it happens regularly in academia. I had no idea. It's a very backstabbing and walk-over-dead-bodies-if-necessary environment. Most are honest and hardworking, but there are a surprising amount of persons who are willing to do anything. Years ago, I worked at a different university on a part time basis. The professor I worked for was one of the most honest, diplomatic, mentors I've ever had in my life. I worked with him for 6 years. He had very high standards and expectations for himself and others.
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Post by monklady123 on May 15, 2016 9:55:12 GMT
Plagiarism happen in academia, too. But I would wait until I have graduated before doing anything. Protect your own interests first, and then contact the other university. From what I've been reading, it happens regularly in academia. I had no idea. Yes it happens everywhere. -- I remember once years ago, back when I was still naive about these things , I was writing a sermon. My usual method is to read the text that I'll be preaching on first, then the two main commentaries that I own. Then I think about it for a day or so, then I browse around the internet. There an excellent site called textweek.com that has all the scripture from the lectionary, commentaries (old and new), reflections, ideas for children, etc. I googled the main theme of what I was working with and found a link to a sermon by the minister who was then Moderator of my denomination. I read that, then googled some more. I found a sermon posted online at another minister's church out in the midwest somewhere that had HUGE chunks of the former moderator's sermon, word for word. With absolutely NO attribution. Now of course we all refer to other people in our sermons. But I was taught that the correct way to do it is first, say so while you're preaching. "As one theologian says...." or "As former moderator Susie Q. has said..." And this info should be there in the printed copy you're preaching from. Then if you put it online you put that citation in there! Don't pass off half your sermon as someone else's. The thing is.... yes, the midwest is far from my east coast city. But this is the internet. I was shocked, but like I said... I was naive. Now I know better. I was also shocked when I took my first seminary test and the professor was walking around making sure all our books and notebooks were put away, no one had any papers visible, etc, and then she watched us like a hawk. I thought "this is seminary, no one will cheat!" um... yeah, I learned better on that. OP, I wouldn't say anything. What's done is done, and you don't want to affect your grade. Yeah, maybe I'm chicken.
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Post by miominmio on May 15, 2016 9:59:38 GMT
From what I've been reading, it happens regularly in academia. I had no idea. Yes it happens everywhere. -- I remember once years ago, back when I was still naive about these things , I was writing a sermon. My usual method is to read the text that I'll be preaching on first, then the two main commentaries that I own. Then I think about it for a day or so, then I browse around the internet. There an excellent site called textweek.com that has all the scripture from the lectionary, commentaries (old and new), reflections, ideas for children, etc. I googled the main theme of what I was working with and found a link to a sermon by the minister who was then Moderator of my denomination. I read that, then googled some more. I found a sermon posted online at another minister's church out in the midwest somewhere that had HUGE chunks of the former moderator's sermon, word for word. With absolutely NO attribution. Now of course we all refer to other people in our sermons. But I was taught that the correct way to do it is first, say so while you're preaching. "As one theologian says...." or "As former moderator Susie Q. has said..." And this info should be there in the printed copy you're preaching from. Then if you put it online you put that citation in there! Don't pass off half your sermon as someone else's. The thing is.... yes, the midwest is far from my east coast city. But this is the internet. I was shocked, but like I said... I was naive. Now I know better. I was also shocked when I took my first seminary test and the professor was walking around making sure all our books and notebooks were put away, no one had any papers visible, etc, and then she watched us like a hawk. I thought "this is seminary, no one will cheat!" um... yeah, I learned better on that. OP, I wouldn't say anything. What's done is done, and you don't want to affect your grade. Yeah, maybe I'm chicken. People cheat in law school too....which shocked me the first year.
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Post by mom on May 15, 2016 12:45:11 GMT
Any chance your professor is the one who wrote the original information and the other online place copied it? I wouldn't assume you know what happened.
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Post by auntkelly on May 15, 2016 12:53:00 GMT
I know of a professor who has been sued two different times by former students for plagiarizing work that they turned in while students in his class. I know the student won the first case. I don't know about the outcome of the second case.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 15, 2016 13:14:42 GMT
Does your school have an honor code that requires you to report plagiarism? If so, it probably applies to faculty as well.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 15, 2016 13:29:54 GMT
Any chance your professor is the one who wrote the original information and the other online place copied it? I wouldn't assume you know what happened. Yes, just because your course information has limited access doesn't mean that your prof hasn't shared his writing at a conference or just informally. Academics often know people in other countries who specialize in their field...and they know other people. Stuff gets around in ways you wouldn't anticipate. If your university has an ombudsman, you could go talk to him (either before or after you finish your program), with the stipulation that you are only seeking advice. You don't even have to use names...but before launching into even an anonymous story, I would check to make sure what the confidentiality/ethics rules are.
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Post by epeanymous on May 15, 2016 14:32:39 GMT
I don't know what a guidebook would be (and I am a professor), but I can tell you that professors share and collaborate on course materials, and that there is nothing about teaching that means that you cannot share and collaborate on course materials. I wouldn't assume that you have done anything other than caught your professor working with other professors in the field to create materials for class. I have, for example, created some written problems for use in one of my classes that I have shared with other professors who teach in the field, and I do not ask or expect them to credit me when they use them in class; I doubt there would be anything in their course materials that would reference me.
That said, I also don't think there is anything wrong with expressing your concerns to the administration. I would wait until grades are in (we grade anonymously where I teach, but that may not be the case everywhere) and then talk to whatever dean or administrator at your school is in charge of student concerns; they may be able to take your complaint, or direct you to the appropriate person.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 19:07:30 GMT
A guidebook is a manual on how sections of class are to be run. Like lab Manuals.
My husband taught labs and upper level lab manuals were only a guide to the the lab. The students had to set up the testing, data collection and calculations themselves. They had to have 3 different references to validate their choices. The lab manual was not a reference. I am pretty only basic references were in that manual because the department wanted the students to do all the research themselves. If the references were given then none if the students would have done any work.
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Post by lumo on May 15, 2016 20:12:30 GMT
Any chance your professor is the one who wrote the original information and the other online place copied it? I wouldn't assume you know what happened. Honestly, this was my original thought too. OP, it kind of sounds like you're flying by the seat of your pants a bit. I agree with the previous recommendation of adjusting with the ombudsman, if one is available at your school.
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Post by annaintx on May 15, 2016 20:48:31 GMT
Possibilities: *it's a bought/purchased curriculum *prof wrote the original that was copied by the other university/place you found it *prof teaches at more than one university (especially if s/he is adjunct) *information is from a professional conference/symposium and they were told to use it at will
Until you know for sure, don't go making accusations.
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Post by anniefb on May 15, 2016 20:52:17 GMT
People cheat in law school too....which shocked me the first year. The class a year ahead of me at law school had to all retake a mid year ethics exam because a number of people were caught cheating. Rather ironic...
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Post by scrapaddie on May 15, 2016 20:54:25 GMT
Do you know that your professor plagiarized? Maybe he was plagiarized by someone at the other university
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Post by Karmady on May 15, 2016 21:17:03 GMT
Do you know that your professor plagarized? Maybe he was plagarized by someone at the other university All I know is that it raised my eyebrow. It isn't just unreferenced material, it cut and paste, word for word. Neither professor has referenced the other. I've read the online CV of the professor from my course which includes research and collaborations and she has never mentioned the other professor at all in 25 years or any work with that university. I've worked in academia, directly with a professor for 6 years. I understand that they collaborate and attend conferences. I know that he would frown upon direct word-for-word cut and paste. Anyway, I've done nothing, I'm doing nothing but like I said, it raised my eyebrow.
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Post by mlynn on May 16, 2016 1:49:02 GMT
Perhaps both professors copied material from yet another professor. No point in re-inventing the wheel. It could have been shared at a conference.
I get the feeling that you are more interested in sticking it to the professor than concerned about plagiarism. Hence the use of "clarification" in your original post.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 2:37:23 GMT
I'd assume there's more to it than you know. If you can find it that easily, you'd have to assume that plenty of other people can too, so if it's that easy to find, it seems highly doubtful that someone in that capacity would do something so deliberately wrong and have it out there for any student to find with a few mouse clicks. Do you really think you are the only person ever to have found this information? I'd say there's a perfectly good reason behind this that you just aren't aware of, and I'd say don't make yourself look like a smart ass to your professor especially if you plan to take another course by him. *If* it really is big deal and it really is plagiarism, then someone else will find it just as easily as you did...and let them deal with it. The professors can hash it out between themselves, no need for a student who is still taking courses and being graded to put themselves in the middle of a shit storm. I was hoping/thinking that there was a good reason behind it. I doubt that the prof is teaching at both universities, they're in different countries and don't make reference to each other in any of their research. I've been reading through their work. The article at the other university says written and revised by Professor X. The information at my university says "copyright Professor Y, University of....". But the info is not available online to the general public. It's not intellectual property or general knowledge. The topics are slightly different but several paragraphs are literally cut and paste into the context of the article, word for word. From my previous experiences, university courses generally offer more than a google searched "cut and paste" article. It's usually based on funded research or compilations of other's research. Anyway, nothing has been said, but it was certainly eye opening. Since I've used information from the other paper, I will be referencing it for my own assignment. It truly is a global world. I did a university class where the teacher was from Country A, working for one university in Country B (in person) and also for another university in Country C (via video recording). I'm glad she was able to do it as it was my favorite class because of her.
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Post by Karmady on May 16, 2016 3:31:11 GMT
Perhaps both professors copied material from yet another professor. No point in re-inventing the wheel. It could have been shared at a conference. I get the feeling that you are more interested in sticking it to the professor than concerned about plagiarism. Hence the use of "clarification" in your original post. Good grief, that's quite an extrapolation! I've loved the courses that I've taken at this university. I've really enjoyed the professor. My marks have been very high so it's not like I'm looking for revenge. I'm just questioning where the info is coming from. I already have a university degree, worked in a university and get how things work. And yes, I know that professors share info internationally. The professor that I worked for went on several teaching sabbaticals in Argentina, Thailand and Tanzania. I've read this professor's C.V, no mention of working with this other university or professor in all the articles listed over the past 25 years. If it were a collaborations between the two, usually both names would be on the material. No point reinventing the wheel? That's called plagarism. If a university student copied info "why reinvent the wheel"? or why do an experiment again? that would be a serious offence. The info could be shared at a conference but it still has to be referenced properly. Everything should be referenced properly. It's part of academic integrity. Even if you use someone else's idea and your own words, it still has to be referenced. Plagarism is defined in their academic integrity section- occurs when you don't acknowledge the author's words or phrases, ideas or thoughts, lecture content etc. Yes, even in a lecture you must say that this information is from Dr. X professor at the University of Florida or wherever it came from.
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Post by elaine on May 16, 2016 4:25:44 GMT
Textbook companies often provide faculty with guidebooks, lesson plans, slides, etc., to accompany their books. Material may be almost identical from topic to topic, depending on the text it is supposed to accompany.
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Post by Karmady on May 16, 2016 11:04:18 GMT
Textbook companies often provide faculty with guidebooks, lesson plans, slides, etc., to accompany their books. Material may be almost identical from topic to topic, depending on the text it is supposed to accompany. There is a copyright on the material in the guidebook and the other's names are on the second paper.
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Post by elaine on May 16, 2016 11:45:18 GMT
Without seeing the exact material you are reading and comparing, it is difficult to give you a response that you don't come back and challenge.
Are all these materials online only? Have any been published in paper format? When you mention copyright, is that simply a standard footer on the professor's webpages, or is it a publisher's copyright? What materials are you comparing - a guidebook and a published paper? Or a guidebook and a webpage? Or Class notes and a webpage?
If you are dead set on believing that this is plagiarism, why is your assumption that it is your prof that is doing the plagiarizing? You seem strongly committed to believing that she is the one doing the plagiarizing.
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