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Post by ntsf on Jun 14, 2016 0:01:04 GMT
so it turns out there was a off duty police officer present as security and he was armed and he did shoot at the killer and he could not stop the killing..so even a trained person with one gun could not stop it..what would happen with a civilian and a gun? killing would have still happened. that is a specious argument.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 0:18:44 GMT
There isn't despicable behavior, she just doesn't agree with your view and you can't seem to separate those two things in your mind. Also, I absolutely do NOT shut down viewpoints. Unless you're trying to say that bullying Rainbow is a viewpoint. You said this: That is absolutely bullying, along with those that wished she would be in this deadly situation and trying to call CPS on her. Oh FFS Gia, give it a rest. Your ongoing defense of Rainbow no matter how awful her behavior makes you the crazy one. I had hoped Rainbow had turned a corner with her apology post a couple of days ago. I responded positively to her about it. Even she apparently realizes, in lucid moments, that her behavior here is extreme. You're the only one who doesn't seem to realize it. And for what it's worth, bullying is actually by definition a repeated behavior. Like you repeatedly trying to demonize me for saying I would like someone to make sure Rainbow's daughter is safe from unsecured weapons in their home. Looking out for the safety of a child is not bullying its parent, and the rules for mandated reporters are very clear. As I'm sure you are aware, calling CPS has no power in and of itself. If an investigation turns up nothing, then the whole thing is dropped. Rainbow clearly enjoys the negative attention she gets here and is quite capable of using her odd deflections to defend herself. She doesn't need you to come out swinging every time someone calls her on her bullshit. And whether you like it or not, our dislike of her viewpoint and abrasive way of expressing it is just as valid as her viewpoint. You can't simultaneously defend her right to say whatever ridiculous shit she wants and then call out others for giving it back to her - you are doing exactly what you're accusing others of doing. Trying to shut down a viewpoint you don't agree with. MergeLeft, the fact is, you kept insisting that she said she was keeping loaded weapons unsecured around her house and no matter how many people, how many times, kept telling you that isn't what she said, you refused to believe it and kept on. So yeah, I'm going to stand up to the bullying of anyone here, I've even backed you when it wasn't right what was being said about you. And face it, the treatment of Rainbow here, is bullying, not difference of opinion, so don't try to sell that horseshit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 0:26:21 GMT
Yeah only that's not the way it happened here. OP posts about the tragedy, it starts as a comforting/disbelief of the tragedy thread and then WHAMMO!!!!!! We get this >>>>>>>>>> So before you go spouting off on which "side" can't let a tragedy just be a tragedy before The agenda pops out, you might want to recollect exactly who/which side started with the agenda posts. YOU DID!! You were gently asked to save it for another day, refused, and embroilment ensued. YOUR AGENDA MATTERED MORE THAN THOSE WHO CAME HERE TO TALK & GRIEVE. A million times YES! She was the direct cause of that thread going south. Instead of being able to take comfort in sharing our feelings of shock and sadness because of this terrible crime, it devolved into yet another nasty debate. There were at least 2 posts that brought up the gun debate before Rainbow ever said anything. "THAT side" was okay to bring up. It wasn't until the "other side" spoke about self defense, that it became a problem for "your side". The lopsided, hypocritical, rational from the anti-gun rights side is SO obvious that it's beyond belief sometimes.
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Post by Merge on Jun 14, 2016 0:28:44 GMT
Oh FFS Gia, give it a rest. Your ongoing defense of Rainbow no matter how awful her behavior makes you the crazy one. I had hoped Rainbow had turned a corner with her apology post a couple of days ago. I responded positively to her about it. Even she apparently realizes, in lucid moments, that her behavior here is extreme. You're the only one who doesn't seem to realize it. And for what it's worth, bullying is actually by definition a repeated behavior. Like you repeatedly trying to demonize me for saying I would like someone to make sure Rainbow's daughter is safe from unsecured weapons in their home. Looking out for the safety of a child is not bullying its parent, and the rules for mandated reporters are very clear. As I'm sure you are aware, calling CPS has no power in and of itself. If an investigation turns up nothing, then the whole thing is dropped. Rainbow clearly enjoys the negative attention she gets here and is quite capable of using her odd deflections to defend herself. She doesn't need you to come out swinging every time someone calls her on her bullshit. And whether you like it or not, our dislike of her viewpoint and abrasive way of expressing it is just as valid as her viewpoint. You can't simultaneously defend her right to say whatever ridiculous shit she wants and then call out others for giving it back to her - you are doing exactly what you're accusing others of doing. Trying to shut down a viewpoint you don't agree with. MergeLeft, the fact is, you kept insisting that she said she was keeping loaded weapons unsecured around her house and no matter how many people, how many times, kept telling you that isn't what she said, you refused to believe it and kept on. So yeah, I'm going to stand up to the bullying of anyone here, I've even backed you when it wasn't right what was being said about you. And face it, the treatment of Rainbow here, is bullying, not difference of opinion, so don't try to sell that horseshit. You are such a fucking hypocrite, Gia. And a broken record to boot. Nothing happened and CPS was not called, so your only possible motive for continuing to bring this up is a desperate attempt to get someone, anyone, to agree with you because you dislike me. Notice the only people defending Rainbow are you and Lauren. The other gun-rights peas - the sane ones - won't touch you all with a ten foot pole. That should make you think. Crazy defending crazy doesn't make a valid point.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 14, 2016 0:56:15 GMT
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Post by happymomma on Jun 14, 2016 1:02:51 GMT
I'll repost what I posted yesterday, which you can take as a defense of Rainbow or the few others here that get jumped on often. Trust me, I'm all for a debate on issues but it is childish and immature to attack the person on a personal basis because their opinion differs, which happens here time and again. It's not hard to see where this behavior gets us. In fact how ironic is it that this very incident was about a person who couldn't accept that others had different beliefs (sexually) than them. So he attacked them for that and ended their lives along with possibly some others that didn't hold that opposing belief. I wonder where he got the idea that it was okay to veto the beliefs of others? In short, how can we expect tolerance and live and let live thinking in a world where so many think it's their way or the wrong way? To those of you who can't hold back from bashing others personally here, I ask: Do you teach your children to berate their peers if they have beliefs or opinions contrary to theirs?
My post from yesterday: I belong to another message board that does not allow personal attacks on other posters. You can discuss differences of opinion but not name call and such.
Here is a snippet of their TOS: "Any time a group of people get together there are bound to be disagreements. This forum is no exception. We are in no position to tell you what to think of ideas you see expressed here, but in our Terms of Service we do lay out the rules about how you can post here.
If you find that there is a fellow poster whose thoughts you find you are unable to even read without losing your composure, your "Ignore List" is your friend."
Posters there are encouraged to "scroll and roll" like grown-ups. Although I enjoy 2peasrefugees tremendously, I sure wish people could debate issues without it resorting to childish name calling and personal attacks. How can we hope for world peace when we can't even acknowledge that people have various beliefs, thoughts, opinions and lifestyles?
ETA: I'm not perfect either, not implying I am.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 1:08:15 GMT
MergeLeft, the fact is, you kept insisting that she said she was keeping loaded weapons unsecured around her house and no matter how many people, how many times, kept telling you that isn't what she said, you refused to believe it and kept on. So yeah, I'm going to stand up to the bullying of anyone here, I've even backed you when it wasn't right what was being said about you. And face it, the treatment of Rainbow here, is bullying, not difference of opinion, so don't try to sell that horseshit. You are such a fucking hypocrite, Gia. And a broken record to boot. Nothing happened and CPS was not called, so your only possible motive for continuing to bring this up is a desperate attempt to get someone, anyone, to agree with you because you dislike me. Notice the only people defending Rainbow are you and Lauren. The other gun-rights peas - the sane ones - won't touch you all with a ten foot pole. That should make you think. Crazy defending crazy doesn't make a valid point. I don't dislike you and I'm anything but a hypocrite. I wouldn't stick up for you if that were the case. And several other people have defended Rainbow against the bullying. It's far from just me and Lauren.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 1:08:43 GMT
I'll repost what I posted yesterday, which you can take as a defense of Rainbow or the few others here that get jumped on often. Trust me, I'm all for a debate on issues but it is childish and immature to attack the person on a personal basis because their opinion differs, which happens here time and again. It's not hard to see where this behavior gets us. In fact how ironic is it that this very incident was about a person who couldn't accept that others had different beliefs (sexually) than them. So he attacked them for that and ended their lives along with possibly some others that didn't hold that opposing belief. I wonder where he got the idea that it was okay to veto the beliefs of others? In short, how can we expect tolerance and live and let live thinking in a world where so many think it's their way or the wrong way? To those of you who can't hold back from bashing others personally here, I ask: Do you teach your children to berate their peers if they have beliefs or opinions contrary to theirs? My post from yesterday: I belong to another message board that does not allow personal attacks on other posters. You can discuss differences of opinion but not name call and such. Here is a snippet of their TOS: "Any time a group of people get together there are bound to be disagreements. This forum is no exception. We are in no position to tell you what to think of ideas you see expressed here, but in our Terms of Service we do lay out the rules about how you can post here. If you find that there is a fellow poster whose thoughts you find you are unable to even read without losing your composure, your "Ignore List" is your friend." Posters there are encouraged to "scroll and roll" like grown-ups. Although I enjoy 2peasrefugees tremendously, I sure wish people could debate issues without it resorting to childish name calling and personal attacks. How can we hope for world peace when we can't even acknowledge that people have various beliefs, thoughts, opinions and lifestyles? Well said.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 14, 2016 1:09:22 GMT
If I or any loved one dies at the hands of gunman, I fervently hope the conversation would quickly turn to gun control reform.
I would consider it part and parcel of honoring the memory of someone killed by an armed, malicious madman.
I am certain there are victims and loved ones in Orlando who would agree with me. The sputtering umbrage, with claims that the dead deserve better treatment, should not - and can not - be presented as fact.
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Post by jcm28 on Jun 14, 2016 1:42:52 GMT
Oh, all of you just shut up! None of you have the least idea how we feel. My colleagues were,in the middle of a battlefield Sunday morning. You disgrace yourselves when this discussion degrades into name calling, one-upping and bullying. Both sides of,the gun debate should just shut the hell up. Just let us grieve for all those lives lost, lives forever shattered, and minds forever plagued by the scene they witnessed. Just shut up!
I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 1:55:50 GMT
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And your point is what? I see your buying into Trump's fear campaign against Muslims. Here is something to ponder. Between Friday night and Monday morning 42 people were shot in Chicago. Of the 42 shot 7 died. Unfortunately this is a regular occurrence not only in Chicago but in other cities across the country and without checking I betcha not one Muslim was involved. There is no question what happened in Orlando was horrific but what is happening in these neighborhoods across the country is just as horrific for the residence as well. But for the most point these shootings are ignored by the masses. There are a lot of reasons why people feel the need to kill. And there is no question we as a country need to address all the reasons but we also have to address the "how" of the killing of innocent people. The weapons of choice are guns for the vast majority. And we make it so damn easy for them to get their weapon of choice. So easy. And we make sure they have the latest, greatest, most efficient guns to chose from legally. In addressing tragedies with the goal of reducing what happened in Orlando and cities like Chicago this country has to multitask and address not only the reason but the means as well. Otherwise it will be a losing battle. That means addressing gun control. And yes what happened in Orlando was scary but we can't give into Trump's insane fear campaign. When you listen to him talk about Muslims you have to wonder if this is the beginning of a new version of what happened with the KKK/Blacks or Hitler/Jews or The Japanese Internment camps during WWII. Because what he is doing is whipping up the fears of Americans and he is aiming that fear toward Muslims.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 14, 2016 1:57:19 GMT
Oh, all of you just shut up! None of you have the least idea how we feel. My colleagues were,in the middle of a battlefield Sunday morning. You disgrace yourselves when this discussion degrades into name calling, one-upping and bullying. Both sides of,the gun debate should just shut the hell up. Just let us grieve for all those lives lost, lives forever shattered, and minds forever plagued by the scene they witnessed. Just shut up! I'm done. Janet Dear Janet, my cousin - a gay man - was in the trenches also, helping the wounded. I looked back at your posts and see that you work in healthcare and so I cannot imagine what you saw and experienced. in times like this we sometimes forget that the helpers see things the news will never report because it cannot. Bless you and your colleagues and the police and the bystanders and those who had to go into the club and bring out all those people. So many hurting people. I just want you to know someone hears you and cares. I pray for rest and restoration tonight. Peace.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 14, 2016 2:33:08 GMT
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And your point is what? I see your buying into Trump's fear campaign against Muslims. Here is something to ponder. Between Friday night and Monday morning 42 people were shot in Chicago. Of the 42 shot 7 died. Unfortunately this is a regular occurrence not only in Chicago but in other cities across the country and without checking I betcha not one Muslim was involved. There is no question what happened in Orlando was horrific but what is happening in these neighborhoods across the country is just as horrific for the residence as well. But for the most point these shootings are ignored by the masses. There are a lot of reasons why people feel the need to kill. And there is no question we as a country need to address all the reasons but we also have to address the "how" of the killing of innocent people. The weapons of choice are guns for the vast majority. And we make it so damn easy for them to get their weapon of choice. So easy. And we make sure they have the latest, greatest, most efficient guns to chose from legally. In addressing tragedies with the goal of reducing what happened in Orlando and cities like Chicago this country has to multitask and address not only the reason but the means as well. Otherwise it will be a losing battle. That means addressing gun control. And yes what happened in Orlando was scary but we can't give into Trump's insane fear campaign. When you listen to him talk about Muslims you have to wonder if this is the beginning of a new version of what happened with the KKK/Blacks or Hitler/Jews or The Japanese Internment camps during WWII. Because what he is doing is whipping up the fears of Americans and he is aiming that fear toward Muslims. This has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with it came through my feed. Done.
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Post by lumo on Jun 14, 2016 2:39:33 GMT
Oh, all of you just shut up! None of you have the least idea how we feel. My colleagues were,in the middle of a battlefield Sunday morning. You disgrace yourselves when this discussion degrades into name calling, one-upping and bullying. Both sides of,the gun debate should just shut the hell up. Just let us grieve for all those lives lost, lives forever shattered, and minds forever plagued by the scene they witnessed. Just shut up! I'm done. Janet I can't begin to imagine what you've seen. You're 100% right. Apologies for my previous catty comments. Thank you for what you do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 2:50:14 GMT
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And your point is what? I see your buying into Trump's fear campaign against Muslims. Here is something to ponder. Between Friday night and Monday morning 42 people were shot in Chicago. Of the 42 shot 7 died. Unfortunately this is a regular occurrence not only in Chicago but in other cities across the country and without checking I betcha not one Muslim was involved. There is no question what happened in Orlando was horrific but what is happening in these neighborhoods across the country is just as horrific for the residence as well. But for the most point these shootings are ignored by the masses. There are a lot of reasons why people feel the need to kill. And there is no question we as a country need to address all the reasons but we also have to address the "how" of the killing of innocent people. The weapons of choice are guns for the vast majority. And we make it so damn easy for them to get their weapon of choice. So easy. And we make sure they have the latest, greatest, most efficient guns to chose from legally. In addressing tragedies with the goal of reducing what happened in Orlando and cities like Chicago this country has to multitask and address not only the reason but the means as well. Otherwise it will be a losing battle. That means addressing gun control. And yes what happened in Orlando was scary but we can't give into Trump's insane fear campaign. When you listen to him talk about Muslims you have to wonder if this is the beginning of a new version of what happened with the KKK/Blacks or Hitler/Jews or The Japanese Internment camps during WWII. Because what he is doing is whipping up the fears of Americans and he is aiming that fear toward Muslims. This has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with it came through my feed. Done.But yet you felt the need to share it. You must of had a reason. Or do you just blindly attached links with no actual thought of why you felt the need to share?
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 14, 2016 3:00:33 GMT
This has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with it came through my feed. Done. But yet you felt the need to share it. You must of had a reason. Or do you just blindly attached links with no actual thought of why you felt the need to share? I shared it because it had to do with radical Islamists, like the other one. Radical Islamists are a problem, wouldn't you agree? Killing others in the name of Islam is a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 3:18:09 GMT
I am so, so sorry for all the Peas who are waiting to hear from friends and family. My heart just hurts for you all and I hate that this is becoming 'common'. For those of you saying 'this is not the time to talk about gun control'...last year, in the US, there were 372 shooting incidents where four or more people were killed or injured. That is more than one incident every other day. This is not going away. There is never going to be a good time to talk about this. Maybe waiting until the dead are buried is appropriate and kind to their families! I don't know why people assume bad people won't be able to access guns. I could go on but I won't because I have more respect for the dead than to make an act of terrorism about the instrument they used (which could have easily been a bomb). I think we should focus on eradicating terrorism. Why not a push for THAT?
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Post by anonrefugee on Jun 14, 2016 3:51:21 GMT
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Post by birukitty on Jun 14, 2016 4:30:28 GMT
In my opinion we need much stricter gun control laws and we need to enforce the laws we have. There is a wonderful essay written by Stephen King on guns that I read a couple of years ago and I just read it again tonight. Here is the link if you'd like to read it: www.engl102-field.wikispaces.umb.edu/file/view/Guns+-+King,+Stephen+copy.pdf I hope that is right. I suck at doing links because I'm using Linex which I hate because it's so complicated. Anyway, it's a great essay. He's a gun owner, has 3 handguns himself. I think what he says makes a lot of sense. There is a reason we here in the USA have so many more deaths from guns vs. other 1st world nations. The big difference is our country's laws regarding guns and allowing our citizens to purchase them. The arguments about cars killing people, guns don't kill people, responsible gun owners don't kill people are all moot points. Simply take a look at a chart of our country of how many people are killed by guns each year vs. the UK. or Germany, Japan, or Australia. Or any other 1st world Nation. The difference is staggering. We as a people aren't that different from them. We all share the same violent movies, books and video games, so it isn't that. It's the guns period and our easy access to them. Strictly control the access to the gun and those deaths go way down. I'm sick to death of hearing about people's "right to bear arms". What about the innocent's right to live that had to die? What about them? Doesn't there come a point where the selfishness of a person's wants trumps a person's right to live? If it is proven nation after nation that strictly controlling the purchase, storage and access of guns leads to less deaths per year than why can't that be our goal? Every single day men, women and children die from gunshot wounds. Guns are made for one purpose-to kill. We regulate everything else like crazy, but guns well, that's one we can barely touch. I can't buy 2 packs of decongestant medication (you are limited to one per day) from my pharmacist, but this guy was able to buy these guns even though he'd been investigated by the FBI twice! Does that make any kind of sense? Debbie in MD.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jun 14, 2016 4:42:03 GMT
Janet, thank you for your dedication to patient care under the most difficult of circumstances. My sorrow sits with all those who have lost someone they loved to violence.
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Post by missmiss on Jun 14, 2016 14:30:41 GMT
Customer: Can I get 2 boxes of sudafed?
Cashier: Sorry by law you can only buy one at a time or you can't go over the 9 grams a month.
Customer: Okay can I get 1 box of Sudafed and 7 guns please.
Cashier: Okay
Makes total sense. You may make drugs with the Sudafed which is against the law but guns though hey buy as many as you want. Good times!
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 14, 2016 15:32:58 GMT
I say this all the time, I am very much middle of the road when it comes to gun control so I don't really have an agenda other than to say that we assume a lot in our arguments I'm pretty much right here with you in the middle of this high-speed highway feeling the wind from both sides of this issue roaring past. After the San Bernedino terrorist attack the focus went to US gun laws, now Orlando has had a terrorist attack and the focus is again on gun laws. When France was attacked by terrorists the focus was on terrorist attacks. That's how I see this too. Terrorism by extremists is a separate issue with a separate solution. Not on this thread it isn't. On this thread, terrorism by extremists IS the exact same thing.
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Post by missmiss on Jun 14, 2016 15:43:19 GMT
What is the difference of killing 50 people with a firearm and killing 9 people with a firearm? Who cares what it is called it is mass murder plain and simple. Why does it have to have a name? Multiple people have died by a person with a firearm.
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Post by red88 on Jun 14, 2016 16:19:03 GMT
Oh, all of you just shut up! None of you have the least idea how we feel. My colleagues were,in the middle of a battlefield Sunday morning. You disgrace yourselves when this discussion degrades into name calling, one-upping and bullying. Both sides of,the gun debate should just shut the hell up. Just let us grieve for all those lives lost, lives forever shattered, and minds forever plagued by the scene they witnessed. Just shut up! I'm done. Janet Thank you Janet for your service & the service of others who were there. There are not enough words to express how much I appreciate all the men & women who do what they do for the pure love of humanity.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jun 14, 2016 16:22:32 GMT
There probably wasn't anyone in there carrying. They don't allow it in any club I've ever been in. And yes, see where it got us. We need to be able to defend ourselves! How many times does this have to happen before people get that forbidding people from defending themselves is not helping? And how many Islamic terrorists have to kill Americans before we get that they want us dead? They kill homosexuals in their countries. Now that is happening here. They want us dead. There's no talking to them about this. How could you reason with someone who would do such a thing? ENOUGH! I have had enough of your trollish, bigoted, idiotic, inane behaviour. I've had it. You need to go far far away. I'm done with you. And so should everyone else. Go to fucking hell with your bigoted, dangerous obsession with guns. THIS IS NOT THE TIME NOR THE PLACE TO SPEW YOUR FUCKING BULLSHIT ABOUT EVERYONE HAVING GUNS. You are the lowest of the lowest scum. That you even think that you're right is infuriating. Honestly? And I don't say this lightly. I hate you and every single thing you stand for. You are an embarrassment and you should be ashamed of yourself. You won't be though because you are too stupid and too fucking idiotic to realize how fucking stupid and wrong you really are. Go away and stay in your cave troll. That's where you belong. Actually a cave is too good for you. Just go far away and stop insulting people with your presence. For the rest of the peas, I'm sorry for my outburst. I'm sure I'll be roasted alive for it. But I don't give a flying fuck anymore. I've reached the end of my chain with this sack of flesh. I can't even call her a woman or a human being. She deserves nothing, especially not our camaraderie. That she's here is a disgrace. I'm out. Who died and made you queen? Rainbow is Rainbow. You should know that by now. Just like you are you.
I've often chuckled at your posts because there is never any equivocation that you could be anything but right. But this is just over the line, IMHO. Not a human being? Really? Just wow.
How about when you run your own forum you can dictate what the terms are and who can enter your sacred domain. If they have an opinion that differs from your own you can banish them. In the meantime, I'm really glad that our Fairy Podmother is much more tolerant of other opinions than you are. It's what makes this place interesting. I certainly don't like or agree with everything Rainbow or anyone else necessarily states but that doesn't make that person any less human. Put her on ignore or skip over her posts when you see her name, but to proclaim your superiority over her because you don't like her opinions? SMH.
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Post by blondiec47 on Jun 14, 2016 16:29:34 GMT
I read on People.com that this terrorist's wife told authorities he had scouted out Disney Springs (formerly Downtown Disney) as a potential target as well as the nightclub. Why didn't she alert the FBI? She had to have known what he was up to if she told police he was scouting targets. Link to articleBut would that have changed anything--an ex co-worker of his complained repeatedly about his hate filled rantings and nothing was done.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 14, 2016 16:46:40 GMT
I'll repost what I posted yesterday, which you can take as a defense of Rainbow or the few others here that get jumped on often. Trust me, I'm all for a debate on issues but it is childish and immature to attack the person on a personal basis because their opinion differs, which happens here time and again. It's not hard to see where this behavior gets us. In fact how ironic is it that this very incident was about a person who couldn't accept that others had different beliefs (sexually) than them. So he attacked them for that and ended their lives along with possibly some others that didn't hold that opposing belief. I wonder where he got the idea that it was okay to veto the beliefs of others? In short, how can we expect tolerance and live and let live thinking in a world where so many think it's their way or the wrong way? To those of you who can't hold back from bashing others personally here, I ask: Do you teach your children to berate their peers if they have beliefs or opinions contrary to theirs? My post from yesterday: I belong to another message board that does not allow personal attacks on other posters. You can discuss differences of opinion but not name call and such. Here is a snippet of their TOS: "Any time a group of people get together there are bound to be disagreements. This forum is no exception. We are in no position to tell you what to think of ideas you see expressed here, but in our Terms of Service we do lay out the rules about how you can post here. If you find that there is a fellow poster whose thoughts you find you are unable to even read without losing your composure, your "Ignore List" is your friend." Posters there are encouraged to "scroll and roll" like grown-ups. Although I enjoy 2peasrefugees tremendously, I sure wish people could debate issues without it resorting to childish name calling and personal attacks. How can we hope for world peace when we can't even acknowledge that people have various beliefs, thoughts, opinions and lifestyles? ETA: I'm not perfect either, not implying I am. Quoting you because there's not a big enough upvote.
I also repeat my comment from the other day - The winner is not the one who yells the loudest or has the last word. The winner is the one who accepts the differences and moves on. Just because one thinks one's view is the right one, doesn't mean one isn't making just as big of asshole of oneself as the folk they disagree with.
I can't believe 50 people died and the vast majority of posts on this thread are 3 or 4 people bitching at each other just for the sake of bitching at each other. It's a downright insult to the victims and their loved ones, IMHO.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 14, 2016 18:55:24 GMT
Turning the argument solely to terrorism ignores the fact that the vast majority of mass shootings in this country are perpetrated by young, white males. This is not opinion - it is demonstrable fact. Terrorism by extremists is a separate issue with a separate solution. Adam Lanza was not an Islamic extremist. Neither were Dylann Roof, the Columbine shooters or any of the dozens of others of young, white males with ready access to guns readily provided to them by our country's current interpretation of the 2nd amendment. The guy who shot up a bunch of people here in Houston a few weeks ago was Hispanic and not a Muslim. He shot 212 rounds despite the fact that a "good guy with a gun" tried to stop him (and was critically injured for his trouble) and only the fact that the location he chose was lightly traveled kept more from being killed. He was a military vet who served several tours overseas. And the fact is that, in other countries where guns are more strictly controlled, you don't have anything close to the number of killings. Angry young men are not going out and killing people with homemade bombs in England and Australia - and they're also not killing people with guns, because they can't readily get their hands on them. Yes, terrorists have shot people in other countries with stricter gun control, but they don't have anything close to the rate of mass shootings that we do overall. Extremism and terrorism are a separate issue and we need to talk about combating it separately from the issue of gun control to keep guns out of the hands of the angry, marginalized and mentally ill. How is it separate from what happened in Orlando when it is the reason. Yes gun control and terrorism is different which is why I'm curious why we are not talking about terrorist control when we are discussing a terrorist act? I support and agree with gun control. What I'm curious about is when terrorism hits the US the talk turns to gun control instead of terrorism. When terrorism hits other countries the talk is about terrorism. Why the double standard. When the discussion is turned away from the terrorist and into gun control it places the blame on the people and laws of the US and away from the terrorist and his actions. Because at the heart, even terrorism itself is considered a result of the US. There is nothing right about our country. Our forefathers were prejudiced. Their laws are prejudicial and need to be changed. We are a cruel, callous, wealthy people who care only about our own interests to the detriment of the rest of the world. Sound crazy? Really think about what I said. Check out the headlines on any given day. Listen to the political parties - especially the Democrat Party. Count how many times the US is painted negatively versus how many times it is painted positively and the result may surprise you.
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 14, 2016 19:18:43 GMT
Oh, all of you just shut up! None of you have the least idea how we feel. My colleagues were,in the middle of a battlefield Sunday morning. You disgrace yourselves when this discussion degrades into name calling, one-upping and bullying. Both sides of,the gun debate should just shut the hell up. Just let us grieve for all those lives lost, lives forever shattered, and minds forever plagued by the scene they witnessed. Just shut up! I'm done. Janet I feel terrible that I missed this when you posted. I'm so very sorry to hear of the horrific things you and your friends & colleagues witnessed. It is indeed life-changing, on a massive scale.
At the end of the day, we are ALL humans, no matter what we believe. Period.
My sincere compassion and prayers and admiration to you and those around you. Please make sure you attend grief counseling. It has helped my son's friend tremendously, although he will never be able to fully process what he experienced.
Hatred sucks.
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Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
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Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 14, 2016 22:19:42 GMT
How is it separate from what happened in Orlando when it is the reason. Yes gun control and terrorism is different which is why I'm curious why we are not talking about terrorist control when we are discussing a terrorist act? I support and agree with gun control. What I'm curious about is when terrorism hits the US the talk turns to gun control instead of terrorism. When terrorism hits other countries the talk is about terrorism. Why the double standard. When the discussion is turned away from the terrorist and into gun control it places the blame on the people and laws of the US and away from the terrorist and his actions. Because at the heart, even terrorism itself is considered a result of the US. There is nothing right about our country. Our forefathers were prejudiced. Their laws are prejudicial and need to be changed. We are a cruel, callous, wealthy people who care only about our own interests to the detriment of the rest of the world. Sound crazy? Really think about what I said. Check out the headlines on any given day. Listen to the political parties - especially the Democrat Party. Count how many times the US is painted negatively versus how many times it is painted positively and the result may surprise you. You forgot to add that our flag (the symbol of FREEDOM) is offensive.
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