|
|
Post by SockMonkey on Jul 9, 2016 15:38:35 GMT
Why do people keep saying Olan "lashed out?" I'm not seeing it. I went back and read all of her comments. I... I've seen some lashing out on this board, and I'm not seeing that on this thread. I see frustration, and questioning, and attempts to explain her feelings. I do not see "lashing out." ONE comment about how people don't get it, because instead of expressing feelings of sorrow we had tangential discussions about how white people feel or LEOs feel. But, the tone was not one that I read as "lashing out."
I did see ginacivey and Lauren accuse her of coming on this board specifically to rile up white people, though. And we wonder why she feels the way she does.
SMDH. What the actual fuck?
|
|
~Lauren~
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,876 
|
Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 9, 2016 15:39:28 GMT
What does SMDH
mean?
Oh and I didn't say she can here to rile up white people. I said she came here to berate white people. Big difference
Remember that thing you said about reading comprehension ?
|
|
|
|
Post by SockMonkey on Jul 9, 2016 16:21:50 GMT
What does SMDH mean? Oh and I didn't say she can here to rile up white people. I said she came here to berate white people. Big difference Remember that thing you said about reading comprehension ? I'm pretty sure I comprehend exactly what you're saying, and it illustrates exactly why Olan doesn't feel safe. |
|
~Lauren~
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,876
|
Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 9, 2016 16:27:54 GMT
Safe? Really? Like someone is going to beat her up? Hyperbole. Has many here have often said posting doesn't mean that everybody's going to agree with you or respond the way you want
|
|
|
|
Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 9, 2016 19:17:14 GMT
I really wish people would stop telling Olan how to feel and how she should react. Not your job, white people. You (we) DON'T know what it feels like. Just because someone called you a cracker once, or you grew up poor white, or you are the family member of a law enforcement officer (or an LEO yourself) doesn't entitle you to do anything but express your own feelings and leave it at that. You don't get to tell her how to react to your own shit. She's not here to make you feel better about your empathy. She has a right to be sad and angry and afraid, because that is what this country has taught her. Doesn't mean we can't move forward. Doesn't mean we can't have peace. But you cannot tell her how she should feel and when she should feel it. Not that you need me, to defend you, Olan. You don't. I'm sorry this has happened. I'm sorry people don't get it. Ladies: Check. Your. White. Privilege. You seriously need to stuff a sock in it and check yourself. Olan came here telling many that they were not sorry enough, that we had no empathy, that we were not outraged/upset/pissed off enough. |
|
|
|
Post by SockMonkey on Jul 9, 2016 19:27:06 GMT
I really wish people would stop telling Olan how to feel and how she should react. Not your job, white people. You (we) DON'T know what it feels like. Just because someone called you a cracker once, or you grew up poor white, or you are the family member of a law enforcement officer (or an LEO yourself) doesn't entitle you to do anything but express your own feelings and leave it at that. You don't get to tell her how to react to your own shit. She's not here to make you feel better about your empathy. She has a right to be sad and angry and afraid, because that is what this country has taught her. Doesn't mean we can't move forward. Doesn't mean we can't have peace. But you cannot tell her how she should feel and when she should feel it. Not that you need me, to defend you, Olan. You don't. I'm sorry this has happened. I'm sorry people don't get it. Ladies: Check. Your. White. Privilege. You seriously need to stuff a sock in it and check yourself. Olan came here telling many that they were not sorry enough, that we had no empathy, that we were not outraged/upset/pissed off enough. I will not stuff a sock in it, especially based on some of he stuff I've seen posted here. Nope. Not gonna be quiet about that. |
|
|
|
Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 9, 2016 19:27:44 GMT
Come to think of it--where is your outrage for the officers that the black man (YOUR term) wounded and killed?  This lack of empathy crap started because Olan didn't think we were sorry enough or outraged enough, and I have yet to see one little peep regarding and empathy or outrage to the deaths of 5 officers specifically targeted because of their whiteness by a black man. |
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 23, 2024 4:37:01 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 19:31:32 GMT
I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm saying, Lauren. I wish there was a way I could explain myself better, but I don't know how to do that for you. I didn't want anyone to come here and tell me how they really felt. I want you to examine how that may negatively impact people who look like me. Make a small change. Realize your shortcomings and make room for them. You can simply glance down at the ground instead of grimacing at my nephew so he doesn't think something is wrong with him. It's a disgusting thing to have placed at your feet. I get it. I've experienced that too. It's a disgusting thing to live this life though This is word for word how I felt when I posted how I felt about visiting the States with my kids this summer considering the animosity I had been seeing in regards to Muslims. And the same group of people jumped in that thread calling me a "shit-stirrer" and saying all I did was to come to the board to rile people up. Interesting that it is the same people marginalizing someone else's feelings or experiences. It is a real shitty feeling to be told "quiet...how you feel doesn't matter". |
|
|
|
Post by SockMonkey on Jul 9, 2016 19:36:20 GMT
I didn't want anyone to come here and tell me how they really felt. I want you to examine how that may negatively impact people who look like me. Make a small change. Realize your shortcomings and make room for them. You can simply glance down at the ground instead of grimacing at my nephew so he doesn't think something is wrong with him. It's a disgusting thing to have placed at your feet. I get it. I've experienced that too. It's a disgusting thing to live this life though This is word for word how I felt when I posted how I felt about visiting the States with my kids this summer considering the animosity I had been seeing in regards to Muslims. And the same group of people jumped in that thread calling me a "shit-stirrer" and saying all I did was to come to the board to rile people up. Interesting that it is the same people marginalizing someone else's feelings or experiences. It is a real shitty feeling to be told "quiet...how you feel doesn't matter". I'm sorry that happened to you. It's not okay. |
|
|
|
Post by SockMonkey on Jul 9, 2016 19:37:34 GMT
Come to think of it--where is your outrage for the officers that the black man (YOUR term) wounded and killed? This lack of empathy crap started because Olan didn't think we were sorry enough or outraged enough, and I have yet to see one little peep regarding and empathy or outrage to the deaths of 5 officers specifically targeted because of their whiteness by a black man. That's not what this thread was about. |
|
Olan
Pearl Clutcher
Enter your message here...
Posts: 4,053
|
Post by Olan on Jul 9, 2016 20:01:36 GMT
I am on vacation that's why I was here posting a day or two before this thread and she knows that because she read my entire post history. Fuming most likely. I looked at my private message my only other private message other than whatever Gina sent was from a pea thanking me for coming to her defense. Oddly enough it was Mothers Day. I said sorry my response wasn't timely and Happy Mothers Day. Don't know why I was here on that day. Also not that I should have to defend my participation in this forum. I work 60hrs a week. I didn't come here to berate anyone. If you feel bad it's because you should. Not because of anything I said.
|
|
~Lauren~
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,876
|
Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 9, 2016 20:02:06 GMT
No, but how telling that there is no one word from you on the six page thread about the death of those 5 police officers.
So yeah, your words about empathy and our right priviledge...stuff em.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 23, 2024 4:37:01 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 20:03:19 GMT
I didn't want anyone to come here and tell me how they really felt. I want you to examine how that may negatively impact people who look like me. Make a small change. Realize your shortcomings and make room for them. You can simply glance down at the ground instead of grimacing at my nephew so he doesn't think something is wrong with him. It's a disgusting thing to have placed at your feet. I get it. I've experienced that too. It's a disgusting thing to live this life though I just don't understand why this is making so many people so defensive. olan hasn't been "lashing out." She's been speaking honestly about her feelings. It's not ok to shut someone down just because it's a tough issue that makes people uncomfortable. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that we all like the benefits (even if it's unconsciously) of our white privilege? That rather than have some tough discussions, it's just easier to shut down someone who's pointing that out? i 'do' have 'white privilege' - i was born into it and it's not my fault - and i don't have to hate the fact that i have a different experience than someone elseCan't more people see that this is exactly what olan's talking about? (at least I think it is) No, white privilege is not your or my fault, but can't you (general) see how hurtful it would be to someone not enjoying white privilege to say they don't have to hate the fact that they're treated better than you? Having empathy isn't saying "I'm sorry for your pain" to someone who's being mistreated. It's being able to imagine yourself on the other end of the white privilege, and working to change things (even it's just yourself) so that NO ONE has to be on the losing end of racial privilege. I'm probably not expressing myself well, but I can't just sit back and read this anymore without saying something. Shouting olan down and dismissing her as an angry black woman who hates all white people just isn't ok. |
|
|
|
Post by Sam on Jul 9, 2016 20:03:35 GMT
Come to think of it--where is your outrage for the officers that the black man (YOUR term) wounded and killed? This lack of empathy crap started because Olan didn't think we were sorry enough or outraged enough, and I have yet to see one little peep regarding and empathy or outrage to the deaths of 5 officers specifically targeted because of their whiteness by a black man. That's not what this thread was about. You are absolutely right, SockMonkey. However, on the thread that WAS about the shootings, the sum total of your contribution (as far as I can see, sorry if I have that wrong) was regarding Joe Walsh and his tweet - and I suspect you only made that because he was close to where you live.  |
|
|
|
Post by SockMonkey on Jul 9, 2016 20:08:06 GMT
That's not what this thread was about. You are absolutely right, SockMonkey. However, on the thread that WAS about the shootings, the sum total of your contribution (as far as I can see, sorry if I have that wrong) was regarding Joe Walsh and his tweet - and I suspect you only made that because he was close to where you live. So, you want this to be about how much I'm sharing about my feelings about any of this, specifically the loss of officers' lives in Denver? You want to qualify what I'm saying here based on what I'm not sharing somewhere else? This thread is not about me or my feelings about any of this. I'm confused as well, as to why you'd bring up my contributions elsewhere here. Again, Olan came here to express her feelings. That is what this thread was about. |
|
ginacivey
Pearl Clutcher
refupea #2 in southeast missouri
Posts: 4,685
|
Post by ginacivey on Jul 9, 2016 20:12:33 GMT
t's being able to imagine yourself on the other end of the white privilege, and working to change things (even it's just yourself) so that NO ONE has to be on the losing end of racial privilege. how do you know i don't? you don't know anything about me - except what i've chosen to share you'd probably be surprised i didn't grow up in the midwest - i haven't lived under a rock but thanks for assuming i just sit around enjoying my privilege and tossing about empathy willy nilly gina edited - nothing i say will appease those of you that think i'm a bitch i am who i am - |
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 23, 2024 4:37:01 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 20:17:41 GMT
t's being able to imagine yourself on the other end of the white privilege, and working to change things (even it's just yourself) so that NO ONE has to be on the losing end of racial privilege. how do you know i don't? you don't know anything about me - except what i've chosen to share you'd probably be surprised i didn't grow up in the midwest - i haven't lived under a rock but thanks for assuming i just sit around enjoying my privilege and tossing about empathy willy nilly gina edited - nothing i say will appease those of you that think i'm a bitch i am who i am - I never said I thought you were a bitch. I never said I knew anything about you. I asked if people couldn't understand how hurtful it might be to a black person if they were told by a white person that they (the white person) didn't have to hate that they're having a different experience. That's it. I asked why people couldn't understand how hurtful it might sound to someone else. Not getting why you or so many others are so defensive and on the attack. I'm done. People are going to purposely misunderstand and misconstrue no matter what. |
|
|
|
Post by Sam on Jul 9, 2016 20:23:20 GMT
You are absolutely right, SockMonkey. However, on the thread that WAS about the shootings, the sum total of your contribution (as far as I can see, sorry if I have that wrong) was regarding Joe Walsh and his tweet - and I suspect you only made that because he was close to where you live. So, you want this to be about how much I'm sharing about my feelings about any of this, specifically the loss of officers' lives in Denver? You want to qualify what I'm saying here based on what I'm not sharing somewhere else? This thread is not about me or my feelings about any of this. I'm confused as well, as to why you'd bring up my contributions elsewhere here. Again, Olan came here to express her feelings. That is what this thread was about. But that's kind of what this thread degenerated into - others not coming on here to express their empathy, sympathy or sorrow....and when they do? They are still berated. I didn't post here about how I felt about those poor men being shot in cold blood, and that's MY privilege - one that's afforded to me no matter what my skin color. That doesn't make me unfeeling or 'bad', just as I hope you are not for choosing not to show empathy or sympathy toward those officers in Dallas. I also hope that Olan felt a little sorry for them as well. you can't really have it both ways on an open forum, after all, and people will have their own opinions, which may differ but (if you listened harder and shouted less) may be more aligned to yours than you originally thought.  |
|
Nink
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,956
Location: North Idaho
|
Post by Nink on Jul 9, 2016 20:25:51 GMT
I think the reason people are getting defensive, is because they are trying to empathize and show compassion, but keep getting told that it's not good enough or they're not doing it right. That the OP has been there for them and now no one is here for her in her time of need, when it seems to me that people are trying to be. Are people slipping up? probably. Because we can't put ourselves in her position, but that's no reason to be dismissive of people who are trying to be supportive.
|
|
Olan
Pearl Clutcher
Enter your message here...
Posts: 4,053
|
Post by Olan on Jul 9, 2016 20:32:41 GMT
I think the reason people are getting defensive, is because they are trying to empathize and show compassion, but keep getting told that it's not good enough or they're not doing it right. That the OP has been there for them and now no one is here for her in her time of need, when it seems to me that people are trying to be. Are people slipping up? probably. Because we can't put ourselves in her position, but that's no reason to be dismissive of people who are trying to be supportive. And to that I say if your empathy or compassion began with complete fuckery or a qualifier it wasn't received well. It hurt my feelings. Gina acknowledges she wanted me to feel unwelcome. LeftTurn edited her own thoughts even before I could call her out. Both are trying to hash it out via private message instead of where they said what they said. Out in the open. I am paraphrasing LeftTurnOnly because again on my phone but she basically called me whiny and said nothing she said would be enough so why bother. Minion said I hate all white people and she's know that about me for years through our interactions. I don't remember ever interacting with her in any meaningful way. I mean come on! I pointed out how no one mentioned the girl in the car because I want to know why no one did. Peas have said its because they didn't have the right words. I said I understood and thank you. Stop twisting what happened here. I hope everyone is reading my posting history here. Page by page. Posted later in the thread but quoted here Were there some peas who qualified their empathy? Yes. Were there rude posts on this thread? Yes. And you know what? Fuck those opinions, they suck. On the side, there were dozens of posts of just pure and simple pain. Empathy. Sadness. Peas expressing their grief and horror at the loss of these two lives. I didn't express my own grief here, but I have in real life and on Facebook and in conversations with friends and family. To be honest, I did feel like you said that my grief wasn't good enough, or right enough, because I can't grieve the way you can over these atrocities. And that's not fair either. You can't lump us all in with the haters, but still expect change. I'm reading over this thread again, and it's devolved in a way that's stopped the conversation on both sides, and that's a shame because a lot of us have a lot of really relevant things to say - both Olan and other posters. But we're all so hellbent on being heard that we've forgotten to listen. My very first post on this thread was empathy for PeaceSign, Olan and IamKristini tagged by name so that would get notices. There were no qualifiers. I recognized the heroism of Diamond Reynolds. A "but" did slip into my next post that should not have been there. It was an oversight on my part and it did not belong there. I have owned that error, and apologized that it added to the hurt. That error aside, I did nothing more than you just did. Were there some peas who qualified their empathy? Yes. Were there rude posts on this thread? Yes. And you know what? Fuck those opinions, they suck. On the side, there were dozens of posts of just pure and simple pain. Empathy. Sadness. Peas expressing their grief and horror at the loss of these two lives. I didn't express my own grief here, but I have in real life and on Facebook and in conversations with friends and family. To be honest, I did feel like you said that my grief wasn't good enough, or right enough, because I can't grieve the way you can over these atrocities. And that's not fair either. You can't lump us all in with the haters, but still expect change. I'm reading over this thread again, and it's devolved in a way that's stopped the conversation on both sides, and that's a shame because a lot of us have a lot of really relevant things to say - both Olan and other posters. But we're all so hellbent on being heard that we've forgotten to listen. My very first post on this thread was empathy for PeaceSign, Olan and IamKristini tagged by name so that would get notices. There were no qualifiers. I recognized the heroism of Diamond Reynolds. A "but" did slip into my next post that should not have been there. It was an oversight on my part and it did not belong there. I have owned that error, and apologized that it added to the hurt. That error aside, I did nothing more than you just did. Just in case you think of returning O. I didn't express my feelings of grief HERE but I did with my real friends and and and and I know you feel like scared, afraid, hurt but but but but I feel like you attacked the feelings I readily admit I didn't share. I just couldn't come back here and pretend like this didn't happen. |
|
|
|
Post by carly on Jul 9, 2016 20:58:31 GMT
I think the reason people are getting defensive, is because they are trying to empathize and show compassion, but keep getting told that it's not good enough or they're not doing it right. That the OP has been there for them and now no one is here for her in her time of need, when it seems to me that people are trying to be. Are people slipping up? probably. Because we can't put ourselves in her position, but that's no reason to be dismissive of people who are trying to be supportive. And to that I say if your empathy or compassion began with complete fuckery or a qualifier it wasn't received well. It hurt my feelings. Gina acknowledges she wanted me to feel unwelcome. LeftTurn edited her own thoughts even before I could call her out. Both are trying to hash it out via private message instead of where they said what they said. Out in the open. I am paraphrasing LeftTurnOnly because again on my phone but she basically called me whiny and said nothing she said would be enough so why bother. Minion said I hate all white people and she's know that about me for years through our interactions. I don't remember ever interacting with her in any meaningful way. I mean come on! I pointed out how no one mentioned the girl in the car because I want to know why no one did. Peas have said its because they didn't have the right words. I said I understood and thank you. Stop twisting what happened here. I hope everyone is reading my posting history here. Page by page. You keep mentioning the little girl but not about the parents riding her around with drugs in the car. How about the 9 year old boy killed last night in San Bernardino. How about the registered sex offender child that Alton Sterling abused? How about his 2 mile long record. How about his illegal gun? Black or white, obey the law. Hell no I don't feel one bit guilty of "white privilege" I am proud of who I am, I obey the law and treat people like people. When you do bad things bad things happen. |
|
ginacivey
Pearl Clutcher
refupea #2 in southeast missouri
Posts: 4,685
|
Post by ginacivey on Jul 9, 2016 21:00:44 GMT
I'm done. People are going to purposely misunderstand and misconstrue no matter what. yes they will and since Olan mentioned it - i sent her a private message saying that i wasn't even sure why we didn't seem to like each other and that i didn't want to continue on like that gina |
|
tduby1
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,979
|
Post by tduby1 on Jul 9, 2016 21:14:47 GMT
I am on vacation that's why I was here posting a day or two before this thread and she knows that because she read my entire post history. Fuming most likely. I looked at my private message my only other private message other than whatever Gina sent was from a pea thanking me for coming to her defense. Oddly enough it was Mothers Day. I said sorry my response wasn't timely and Happy Mothers Day. Don't know why I was here on that day. Also not that I should have to defend my participation in this forum. I work 60hrs a week. I didn't come here to berate anyone. If you feel bad it's because you should. Not because of anything I said. FWIW, I don't think you were berating anyone. Most likely, I think you came somewhere where you thought it was safe to share your feelings, thoughts, fears and anger, as so many have done in the past. You are entitled to all of the above. I totally get why qualifiers and "what ifs" and "buts" upset you. And if it comforts you, your posts have caused at least one person (me) to take a good, hard look at my own reactions in these situations. |
|
Olan
Pearl Clutcher
Enter your message here...
Posts: 4,053
|
Post by Olan on Jul 9, 2016 21:16:43 GMT
I'm done. People are going to purposely misunderstand and misconstrue no matter what. yes they will and since Olan mentioned it - i sent her a private message saying that i wasn't even sure why we didn't seem to like each other and that i didn't want to continue on like that gina @ilovecookies you are right. I can normally bang away but now someone stands over me and begs me to log off. When she saw Gina say she sent a private message she yells don't read it look what she said to you in front of everyone Hahaha. Anyway. My years here at twopeas wasn't all bad. I wish you guys all the best! |
|
tduby1
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,979
|
Post by tduby1 on Jul 9, 2016 21:21:08 GMT
You are absolutely right, SockMonkey. However, on the thread that WAS about the shootings, the sum total of your contribution (as far as I can see, sorry if I have that wrong) was regarding Joe Walsh and his tweet - and I suspect you only made that because he was close to where you live. So, you want this to be about how much I'm sharing about my feelings about any of this, specifically the loss of officers' lives in Denver? You want to qualify what I'm saying here based on what I'm not sharing somewhere else? This thread is not about me or my feelings about any of this. I'm confused as well, as to why you'd bring up my contributions elsewhere here. Again, Olan came here to express her feelings. That is what this thread was about. I've been so bogged down post-vacation thatbI have not even delved into the "other thread", that does not make me unsympathetic. |
|
inkedup
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,837
Jun 26, 2014 5:00:26 GMT
|
Post by inkedup on Jul 9, 2016 21:47:47 GMT
And to that I say if your empathy or compassion began with complete fuckery or a qualifier it wasn't received well. It hurt my feelings. Gina acknowledges she wanted me to feel unwelcome. LeftTurn edited her own thoughts even before I could call her out. Both are trying to hash it out via private message instead of where they said what they said. Out in the open. I am paraphrasing LeftTurnOnly because again on my phone but she basically called me whiny and said nothing she said would be enough so why bother. Minion said I hate all white people and she's know that about me for years through our interactions. I don't remember ever interacting with her in any meaningful way. I mean come on! I pointed out how no one mentioned the girl in the car because I want to know why no one did. Peas have said its because they didn't have the right words. I said I understood and thank you. Stop twisting what happened here. I hope everyone is reading my posting history here. Page by page. How about the 9 year old boy killed last night in San Bernardino. How about the registered sex offender child that Alton Sterling abused? How about his 2 mile long record. How about his illegal gun? Black or white, obey the law. Hell no I don't feel one bit guilty of "white privilege" I am proud of who I am, I obey the law and treat people like people. When you do bad things bad things happen.I have seen this claim in several places but haven't seen anything from a reputable news source to back this up. Do you have a link to this information? It's too bad you don't understand that black people are disproportionately killed for doing the SAME "bad things" that white people do. Apples to apples, armed black men are nearly 4x as likely to be killed in confrontations with police than armed white men ( link). BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO BLACK PEOPLE IN DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBERS. Maybe this will help you understand, but I doubt it. All Houses Matter Cartoon |
|
|
|
Post by Peace Sign on Jul 9, 2016 21:54:01 GMT
And to that I say if your empathy or compassion began with complete fuckery or a qualifier it wasn't received well. It hurt my feelings. Gina acknowledges she wanted me to feel unwelcome. LeftTurn edited her own thoughts even before I could call her out. Both are trying to hash it out via private message instead of where they said what they said. Out in the open. I am paraphrasing LeftTurnOnly because again on my phone but she basically called me whiny and said nothing she said would be enough so why bother. Minion said I hate all white people and she's know that about me for years through our interactions. I don't remember ever interacting with her in any meaningful way. I mean come on! I pointed out how no one mentioned the girl in the car because I want to know why no one did. Peas have said its because they didn't have the right words. I said I understood and thank you. Stop twisting what happened here. I hope everyone is reading my posting history here. Page by page. You keep mentioning the little girl but not about the parents riding her around with drugs in the car. How about the 9 year old boy killed last night in San Bernardino. How about the registered sex offender child that Alton Sterling abused? How about his 2 mile long record. How about his illegal gun? Black or white, obey the law. Hell no I don't feel one bit guilty of "white privilege" I am proud of who I am, I obey the law and treat people like people. When you do bad things bad things happen. ThiS is a bullshit comment. First, what you're saying is that police have the power to judge people's actions and then decide the punishment should be death. That isn't how our system works. Second, clearly you don't give two shits about all the people saying how wonderful philandro was to their kids. Lots of people. YOU are part of the problem. And you sound like a terrible person. |
|
|
|
Post by carly on Jul 9, 2016 21:56:35 GMT
You keep mentioning the little girl but not about the parents riding her around with drugs in the car. How about the 9 year old boy killed last night in San Bernardino. How about the registered sex offender child that Alton Sterling abused? How about his 2 mile long record. How about his illegal gun? Black or white, obey the law. Hell no I don't feel one bit guilty of "white privilege" I am proud of who I am, I obey the law and treat people like people. When you do bad things bad things happen. I have seen this claim in several places but haven't seen anything from a reputable news source to back this up. Do you have a link to this information? It's too bad you don't understand that black people are disproportionately killed for doing the SAME "bad things" that white people do. Apples to apples, armed black men are nearly 4x as likely to be killed by police than armed white men ( link). BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO BLACK PEOPLE IN DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBERS. Maybe this will help you understand, but I doubt it. All Houses Matter CartoonThe mother mentioned the drugs in the video, how much more reputable can you get? Blacks commit disproportionately more of the violent crimes. |
|
inkedup
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,837
Jun 26, 2014 5:00:26 GMT
|
Post by inkedup on Jul 9, 2016 21:59:39 GMT
I have seen this claim in several places but haven't seen anything from a reputable news source to back this up. Do you have a link to this information? It's too bad you don't understand that black people are disproportionately killed for doing the SAME "bad things" that white people do. Apples to apples, armed black men are nearly 4x as likely to be killed by police than armed white men ( link). BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO BLACK PEOPLE IN DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBERS. Maybe this will help you understand, but I doubt it. All Houses Matter CartoonThe mother mentioned the drugs in the video, how much more reputable can you get? Blacks commit disproportionately more of the violent crimes. You are not as informed as you think you are. Black people are also disproportionately arrested and more harshly prosecuted than whites are FOR THE EXACT SAME CRIMES. But nothing I say will convince you. You are too angry and fearful to listen. *You* are exactly what is wrong with this country. I bet you fancy yourself a good Christian, too. |
|
|
|
Post by rebelyelle on Jul 9, 2016 23:09:54 GMT
I think the reason people are getting defensive, is because they are trying to empathize and show compassion, but keep getting told that it's not good enough or they're not doing it right. That the OP has been there for them and now no one is here for her in her time of need, when it seems to me that people are trying to be. Are people slipping up? probably. Because we can't put ourselves in her position, but that's no reason to be dismissive of people who are trying to be supportive. And to that I say if your empathy or compassion began with complete fuckery or a qualifier it wasn't received well. It hurt my feelings. Gina acknowledges she wanted me to feel unwelcome. LeftTurn edited her own thoughts even before I could call her out. Both are trying to hash it out via private message instead of where they said what they said. Out in the open. I am paraphrasing LeftTurnOnly because again on my phone but she basically called me whiny and said nothing she said would be enough so why bother. Minion said I hate all white people and she's know that about me for years through our interactions. I don't remember ever interacting with her in any meaningful way. I mean come on! I pointed out how no one mentioned the girl in the car because I want to know why no one did. Peas have said its because they didn't have the right words. I said I understood and thank you. Stop twisting what happened here. I hope everyone is reading my posting history here. Page by page. Were there some peas who qualified their empathy? Yes. Were there rude posts on this thread? Yes. And you know what? Fuck those opinions, they suck. On the side, there were dozens of posts of just pure and simple pain. Empathy. Sadness. Peas expressing their grief and horror at the loss of these two lives. I didn't express my own grief here, but I have in real life and on Facebook and in conversations with friends and family. To be honest, I did feel like you said that my grief wasn't good enough, or right enough, because I can't grieve the way you can over these atrocities. And that's not fair either. You can't lump us all in with the haters, but still expect change. I'm reading over this thread again, and it's devolved in a way that's stopped the conversation on both sides, and that's a shame because a lot of us have a lot of really relevant things to say - both Olan and other posters. But we're all so hellbent on being heard that we've forgotten to listen. |
|
My original pea date was November 1999 and my number was 1803
