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Post by ~Lauren~ on Sept 9, 2016 12:44:56 GMT
Gary Johnson doesn't and I have a feeling it might bite him in the butt
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 9, 2016 12:48:12 GMT
I would expect anyone who is up on world news, even in the most basic way, to know what Aleppo is.
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 9, 2016 12:49:54 GMT
i'd venture to say - that most people i know - do not know what Aleppo is -
and depending on the context of the conversation - i'dd probably have to stop and think a minute
but not if i were a candidate -
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Post by sillyrabbit on Sept 9, 2016 12:53:59 GMT
I'll admit I didn't. I'm fairly intelligent, but the news causes my anxiety to skyrocket so I avoid it as much as possible. I'm not running for President though. I expect someone who is doing so to be knowledgeable on such things. And now I'm back to being unsure of who will get my vote in November.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 12:54:46 GMT
Everyone does now.  
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 9, 2016 12:57:55 GMT
I do.
But this brings up a point I have been wondering about- double standards and what we expect from our potential leaders. Back in the beginning of the campaign season, Mr. Trump was asked if he knew who a string of terrorist leaders were. These were names of well known terrorist leaders, commonly referred to on the news and in the papers. If one was paying attention (and granted, not every one does) but if a little effort was put into, a soccer mom in Central Florida would know who they were.
I started a thread then asking if bothered people that a potential presidential candidate didn't know who they were, and by extension, probably didn't understand what the complicated situation the middle East is. The bottom line with the thread was that he had time to learn, no it wasn't a problem that he didn't know who the terrorist leaders were, and that most people didn't know anyway.
So what is really different? Mr. Johnson didn't immediately recognize Allepo and has been heavily criticized. Mr. Trump didn't recognize terrorist leaders and was given a complete pass.
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Post by RosieKat on Sept 9, 2016 13:00:05 GMT
He tried to explain it as hearing it was an acronym for something, which I can somewhat picture. (You have your brain in one mode, and it doesn't quite click into the other mode for a minute.) But if that were really the case, then you'd expect him to have said something like "OH! *That* Aleppo! Brain fart!" (Or whatever the acceptable way of saying that would be, lol.) We've all misheard or misunderstood before, but his lack of reaction makes me inclined to think this was ignorance rather than a mistake.
I wasn't going 3rd party anyway, although I have before. I don't like either of the main choices, but Texas has suddenly actually become a state in contention, and I feel I've got to vote for the lesser evil.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 9, 2016 13:00:52 GMT
I do. But this brings up a point I have been wondering about- double standards and what we expect from our potential leaders. Back in the beginning of the campaign season, Mr. Trump was asked if he knew who a string of terrorist leaders were. These were names of well known terrorist leaders, commonly referred to on the news and in the papers. If one was paying attention (and granted, not every one does) but if a little effort was put into, a soccer mom in Central Florida would know who they were. I started a thread then asking if bothered people that a potential presidential candidate didn't know who they were, and by extension, probably didn't understand what the complicated situation the middle East is. The bottom line with the thread was that he had time to learn, no it wasn't a problem that he didn't know who the terrorist leaders were, and that most people didn't know anyway. So what is really different? Mr. Johnson didn't immediately recognize Allepo and has been heavily criticized. Mr. Trump didn't recognize terrorist leaders and was given a complete pass. Because for some reason the press has taken a hands-off policy with Trump. I don't understand it. There is SO much they could be going after -- bankrupcies and failure to pay contractors and the tax things, etc. Yet they don't. In many other countries I might say that he'd paid off the press not to write about him, but I don't believe that could ever happen here. So I'm back to saying I don't understand it. SaveSave |
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 9, 2016 13:02:35 GMT
I will admit that I did not know what Aleppo is. I had to ask my husband who explained it to me. After about the first few words out of his mouth I got it. It is not a word I was familiar with, as I tend to not go reading about Syria, and I try and avoid the news when they are discussing the crisis. It's too sad for me to handle.
However, I am not running for President of the United States of America. I think this is going to put a big damper on his campaign. Someone who is running for the highest office and will be dealing with foreign affairs and policy should know waaaaay more about current situations everywhere than just a regular citizen.
Eta, only because someone up thread brought it up, Trump and Clinton absolutely should not get a pass when/if they are caught not knowing something of such importance.
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Post by Mystie on Sept 9, 2016 13:03:20 GMT
Yes, I do know. At first I was appalled that Johnson didn't, and now the more I think about it, I wonder if he was just having a massive brain fart. Which is something I can see myself doing, honestly. But then I go back to--how could a presidential candidate not have Syria near the front of his brain? So I guess I am appalled and sympathetic at the same time.
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Post by RosieKat on Sept 9, 2016 13:05:41 GMT
I do. But this brings up a point I have been wondering about- double standards and what we expect from our potential leaders. Back in the beginning of the campaign season, Mr. Trump was asked if he knew who a string of terrorist leaders were. These were names of well known terrorist leaders, commonly referred to on the news and in the papers. If one was paying attention (and granted, not every one does) but if a little effort was put into, a soccer mom in Central Florida would know who they were. I started a thread then asking if bothered people that a potential presidential candidate didn't know who they were, and by extension, probably didn't understand what the complicated situation the middle East is. The bottom line with the thread was that he had time to learn, no it wasn't a problem that he didn't know who the terrorist leaders were, and that most people didn't know anyway. So what is really different? Mr. Johnson didn't immediately recognize Allepo and has been heavily criticized. Mr. Trump didn't recognize terrorist leaders and was given a complete pass. Speaking only for myself (although it's more fun to speak for everyone ), I didn't give Trump a pass then, but I did feel it was early enough in the process for small amounts of ignorance to be potentially forgiveable. In other words, I wasn't OK with it but I could see how it could happen, and the main question would be where did the candidate go from there. At this late date, though, I expect a serious candidate to be really solid on all the basics. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Sept 9, 2016 13:08:20 GMT
I'm always amazed at how perceptions can differ. The way I see it, Hillary is the one they take a hands-off policy with.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 9, 2016 13:14:07 GMT
I don't think he had a chance, so it's not really going to bite him in the butt. I do agree however that there is a severe double standard/bias in how the media covers these things. This is every where. A few years ago in discussing the gulf coast and oil issues, President Obama mentioned needing to deepen the gulf ports of Charleston, South Carolina; Savannah, Georgia and Jacksonville, Florida. It got exactly zero coverage. I only heard about it as one of my relatives lives on the gulf coast and ranted on facebook about no one gave a damn that the president of the United States in discussing the gulf coast couldn't even identify the correct cities.
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Post by annabella on Sept 9, 2016 13:52:29 GMT
But this brings up a point I have been wondering about- double standards and what we expect from our potential leaders. Back in the beginning of the campaign season, Mr. Trump was asked if he knew who a string of terrorist leaders were. These were names of well known terrorist leaders, commonly referred to on the news and in the papers. If one was paying attention (and granted, not every one does) but if a little effort was put into, a soccer mom in Central Florida would know who they were. I expect political leaders to know names of cities that have been hotbeds for a long time. Names of terrorists, I don't know any nor do think they are household names. Osama Bin Laden was the last nationwide household name. |
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Post by whopea on Sept 9, 2016 13:58:38 GMT
I would suggest that the way the question was asked may have threw him off. The tone of the question was kind of light-hearted, as if Aleppo was equivalent to Pokemon. Had the interviewer asked what he would do about Syria and he had the same response, that would give me extreme pause. I think there are plenty of other positions of Gary Johnson that are deal breakers for me.
I would hate to be a politician in this day and age. Media has become more about "gotcha" than journalism IMO.
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Post by gar on Sept 9, 2016 14:00:34 GMT
I would expect anyone who is up on world news, even in the most basic way, to know what Aleppo is.
Yes, I think it will bite him in the butt. Rightfully so. Agreed. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 9, 2016 14:02:26 GMT
But this brings up a point I have been wondering about- double standards and what we expect from our potential leaders. Back in the beginning of the campaign season, Mr. Trump was asked if he knew who a string of terrorist leaders were. These were names of well known terrorist leaders, commonly referred to on the news and in the papers. If one was paying attention (and granted, not every one does) but if a little effort was put into, a soccer mom in Central Florida would know who they were. I expect political leaders to know names of cities that have been hotbeds for a long time. Names of terrorists, I don't know any nor do think they are household names. Osama Bin Laden was the last nationwide household name. See...and this is where I tend to disagree. Some of these names are just as common (and I would argue more relevant) -like for example, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi who is (or was) the leader of ISIS. With all of the emphasis on the strategy for dealing with ISIS as a large part of the campaign discussion, I would expect that a person who is running for president to know not just what ISIS is, but who is the recogonized head of the organization and to a lesser degree, the history of the organization's rise in strength and why it exists. |
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Post by gar on Sept 9, 2016 14:02:51 GMT
I would suggest that the way the question was asked may have threw him off. The tone of the question was kind of light-hearted, as if Aleppo was equivalent to Pokemon. Had the interviewer asked what he would do about Syria and he had the same response, that would give me extreme pause. I think there are plenty of other positions of Gary Johnson that are deal breakers for me. I would hate to be a politician in this day and age. Media has become more about "gotcha" than journalism IMO. If someone said Syria in a lighthearted tone it wouldn't throw me, would it throw you? if he really knew what Aleppo was it wouldn't have thrown him either. |
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Post by freebird on Sept 9, 2016 14:04:15 GMT
Honestly, I didn't until yesterday but I haven't watched the news in years.
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Post by auntkelly on Sept 9, 2016 14:07:43 GMT
I know the significance of Allepo and I would expect a Presidential candidate to know-or anyone who follows the news.
When I heard this story yesterday on NPR the reporter said there was another time on the campaign trail when he asked someone who Harriet Tubman was.
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Post by whopea on Sept 9, 2016 14:13:36 GMT
I would suggest that the way the question was asked may have threw him off. The tone of the question was kind of light-hearted, as if Aleppo was equivalent to Pokemon. Had the interviewer asked what he would do about Syria and he had the same response, that would give me extreme pause. I think there are plenty of other positions of Gary Johnson that are deal breakers for me. I would hate to be a politician in this day and age. Media has become more about "gotcha" than journalism IMO. If someone said Syria in a lighthearted tone it wouldn't throw me, would it throw you? if he really knew what Aleppo was it wouldn't have thrown him either. No, it wouldn't throw me either, but I'm one who knows where Aleppo is. I also think there is a significant difference between recognizing the name of the city vs the name of the country. |
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Post by compwalla on Sept 9, 2016 14:14:19 GMT
Yes, I do and I'd expect any serious candidate for president to know as well.
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Post by secondlife on Sept 9, 2016 14:17:46 GMT
Yes, especially because a little boy from Aleppo was in my school a couple of years back. His family was quite traumatized but have found a good life here and are working hard and doing well.
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Post by Katie on Sept 9, 2016 14:19:33 GMT
Honestly, no. Never heard of it until this post.
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Post by blondiec47 on Sept 9, 2016 14:25:21 GMT
I also did not. My first thought was the Aleppo Shriners that march in our annual Labor Day parade, seeing as I just saw them.
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Post by happymomma on Sept 9, 2016 14:26:32 GMT
I don't. But then again, I'm not running for President nor do I study much about ISIS. If it were my job to be well versed on those things, I would be.
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Post by gar on Sept 9, 2016 14:26:50 GMT
If someone said Syria in a lighthearted tone it wouldn't throw me, would it throw you? if he really knew what Aleppo was it wouldn't have thrown him either. No, it wouldn't throw me either, but I'm one who knows where Aleppo is. I also think there is a significant difference between recognizing the name of the city vs the name of the country. So he didn't know what Aleppo was, otherwise the tone wouldn't have thrown him. In his position it seems hard to understand how he wouldn't know. |
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Post by annabella on Sept 9, 2016 14:27:29 GMT
See...and this is where I tend to disagree. Some of these names are just as common (and I would argue more relevant) -like for example, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi who is (or was) the leader of ISIS. With all of the emphasis on the strategy for dealing with ISIS as a large part of the campaign discussion, I would expect that a person who is running for president to know not just what ISIS is, but who is the recogonized head of the organization and to a lesser degree, the history of the organization's rise in strength and why it exists. Ok you're right someone running for President should know those names. I googled him and see he was Time magazine's 2nd person of the year last year. I personally don't see the need to keep with the leadership of terrorists groups. I feel that gives legitimacy to their importance. I read the transcript and Gary Johnson was asked about what he would do with the Syrian crisis in Aleppo so even if he didn't recognize the city name the context of the sentence could have clued him in. I've been to Aleppo and it's the largest and second most important city in Syria. It is one of the oldest cities in the world with architecture reflecting that, now everything is in ruins. Its residents are bombed and gassed daily, airstrikes from Russians, the civil war has been going on for years now. Assad gets his weapons from Russia and Gary Johnson says " the United States must partner with Russia to diplomatically improve the situation there". Johnson is so clueless it's scary. |
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Post by gar on Sept 9, 2016 14:28:37 GMT
So those of you who don't know don't follow much news? It's talked about on tv news pretty much every day here and that's apart from radio, papers, online news etc.
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Post by wezee on Sept 9, 2016 14:32:18 GMT
Yes,I do. Chlorine fumes are very dangerous
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