flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 22, 2016 17:48:19 GMT
Thank you to those of you who answered with your thoughts.
There are a few people in my RL that I would like to know their thoughts, as well. Several were only voting for him for that single promise. I do feel badly for them, I'm sure they are disappointed.
I'm also intrigued by the theory that he could be waiting to bring it up until after inauguration to prevent a pardon.
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Post by *KAS* on Nov 22, 2016 17:52:03 GMT
How does it make YOU feel? I totally get that politicians stretch the truth, say things that they don't follow up on or won't do. In this election The Wall and Lock Her Up were 2 of his biggest promises, that got his supporters really frenzied and riled up. I was wanting to know how it makes you feel that he's now back tracking on these promises (it's not the first of many) (And yes, I'm (and was) fully aware that he didn't have the sole authority to prosecute her when he was making that promise, unfortunately I believe many of those who supported him did not know he couldn't do it) I didn't vote for him, so I understand that I'm not really the right target here, BUT I honestly felt the same way I did about this as I did about 'build a wall.' It was a good sound bite - it won't ever actually happen logistically. And I truly can't name ONE person who voted for him (and I know a lot of people that did) that expected it either. That's not why they supported him. We just have major "groups" of people and most of them can't (or won't) see outside of their own group to have any sort of understanding of the other. And until they are willing to at least listen to the other side, nothing will ever change. The whole "hahaha he lied again how do you feel now" mentality is just so weird to me. It's such an 'us vs. them' mentality that really serves nobody well. (and I feel the same way about those that bash Hillary and say that she hates our troops or should be in jail or whatever inflammatory statement they want to throw out). I just want to tell everybody to grow up sometimes.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 22, 2016 17:54:53 GMT
he was never going after her. the only people dumb enough to believe he would were his lemmings.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 22, 2016 18:00:30 GMT
I do appreciate others perspective. My question didn't really have anything to do with Hillary or to heave a sigh of relief that he's not going after her. At this point, even if he did go after her, it would all be moot anyway, and not matter.
I am truly curious as to what his supporters think of the vastly different direction he's taking from everything he promised on the trail.
I didn't expect to have all the pea trump supporters run to this thread and confess regrets.
I know that many who didn't vote for him have spoken up.
I get the "pace yourself" ideal, however its current news and that's what we tend to discuss.
I'm trying to stick to the topic/question in my OP and not get derailed.
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Post by gardengoddess on Nov 22, 2016 18:01:29 GMT
Another central campaign promise was outrageous government spending and now we're all finding out that it's going to cost close to a $1 million a day for Melania and Barron to remain at Trump Tower and depending on whether Donald can "tolerate" living at the White House and decides his ivory tower is more suited to him, the costs will explode.....so much for fiscal conservatism. I wonder how his fiscal conservative supporters are going to swallow that news?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 22, 2016 18:03:48 GMT
How does it make YOU feel? I totally get that politicians stretch the truth, say things that they don't follow up on or won't do. In this election The Wall and Lock Her Up were 2 of his biggest promises, that got his supporters really frenzied and riled up. I was wanting to know how it makes you feel that he's now back tracking on these promises (it's not the first of many) (And yes, I'm (and was) fully aware that he didn't have the sole authority to prosecute her when he was making that promise, unfortunately I believe many of those who supported him did not know he couldn't do it) I didn't vote for him, so I understand that I'm not really the right target here, BUT I honestly felt the same way I did about this as I did about 'build a wall.' It was a good sound bite - it won't ever actually happen logistically. And I truly can't name ONE person who voted for him (and I know a lot of people that did) that expected it either. That's not why they supported him. We just have major "groups" of people and most of them can't (or won't) see outside of their own group to have any sort of understanding of the other. And until they are willing to at least listen to the other side, nothing will ever change. The whole "hahaha he lied again how do you feel now" mentality is just so weird to me. It's such an 'us vs. them' mentality that really serves nobody well. (and I feel the same way about those that bash Hillary and say that she hates our troops or should be in jail or whatever inflammatory statement they want to throw out). I just want to tell everybody to grow up sometimes. I've stated several times now that my asking was not anything even remotely close to a "ha ha he lied again thread". I'll just shut up now and stop making any attempt to try to discuss things nicely or ask questions to help me to understand. I'll go and grow up some.
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Post by ilikepink on Nov 22, 2016 18:04:16 GMT
One of the difficulties with someone who has no experience in government is that they don't know how it really works. Yes, there is more crap than is necessary, and it doesn't run swiftly or efficiently, but there are checks/balances and procedures for reasons. The newly-elected President is starting to discover that. I don't think Hillary should be pursued any further; let's just move forward. It's beating a dead horse at this point. I'm sitting back, and waiting for America to be great again.
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Post by jenis40 on Nov 22, 2016 18:09:14 GMT
I apologize if I appeared to be derailing your thread papercrafter but it's something that has been weighing on my mind. A few of the things that should have been several page threads like the business meetings with India barely got responses yet we have have a 5 plus page thread on whether Melania and Barron will live in the WH. I am just concerned that we are burning ourselves out with outrage on things that ultimately won't matter in the long run rather than digging in on the substantive issues. The whole India business dealings was lost in the social media world as we all lost our collective minds over Pence and the Hamilton play. I think this is a calculated move on Trump's part and one that worked well for him in the campaign.
This is not a callout to anyone on any side, just my observation and thoughts.
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Post by *KAS* on Nov 22, 2016 18:13:49 GMT
I didn't vote for him, so I understand that I'm not really the right target here, BUT I honestly felt the same way I did about this as I did about 'build a wall.' It was a good sound bite - it won't ever actually happen logistically. And I truly can't name ONE person who voted for him (and I know a lot of people that did) that expected it either. That's not why they supported him. We just have major "groups" of people and most of them can't (or won't) see outside of their own group to have any sort of understanding of the other. And until they are willing to at least listen to the other side, nothing will ever change. The whole "hahaha he lied again how do you feel now" mentality is just so weird to me. It's such an 'us vs. them' mentality that really serves nobody well. (and I feel the same way about those that bash Hillary and say that she hates our troops or should be in jail or whatever inflammatory statement they want to throw out). I just want to tell everybody to grow up sometimes. I've stated several times now that my asking was not anything even remotely close to a "ha ha he lied again thread". I'll just shut up now and stop making any attempt to try to discuss things nicely or ask questions to help me to understand. I'll go and grow up some. I wasn't calling you out personally any more than I was calling anybody else out personally. I don't even pay attention who posts on what threads 99% of the time. I'm sorry that I came across that way. It was meant to be a broader comment which I could have said on a number of threads, not just this one that you happened to start.
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Post by River on Nov 22, 2016 18:24:52 GMT
papercrafteradvocate I should apologize then to you about my "really" statement. I did feel your post was a bit of a ha ha ha moment and not a genuine question. I did try to answer it as such though, so I hope you'll accept that as my apology also.
I truly don't know any Trumps supporters that are upset over this news. I live in the very rural south that is solidly red, if that helps you to know my demographics and the people I know. Our main concern is bringing back jobs and hoping a business man can bring change to our economy versus the many, many politicians that have tried.
The more conservatives of us are screaming out loud about not living in the White House. THAT is an issue for us. While I understand Melania's urge for her and her son to not be uprooted, It's just not realistic BECAUSE of where she lives. That would cause too many lives and businesses to be upturned just for her comfort.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 22, 2016 18:47:47 GMT
How does it make YOU feel? I totally get that politicians stretch the truth, say things that they don't follow up on or won't do. In this election The Wall and Lock Her Up were 2 of his biggest promises, that got his supporters really frenzied and riled up. I was wanting to know how it makes you feel that he's now back tracking on these promises (it's not the first of many) (And yes, I'm (and was) fully aware that he didn't have the sole authority to prosecute her when he was making that promise, unfortunately I believe many of those who supported him did not know he couldn't do it) It doesn't make me feel any way. I would have voted for Rubio, but I was pretty sure he would have changed his stance on immigration if he would have become president. I'm very firmly against illegal immigration and I want immigration reform That is one of the things I looked for when voting. But even knowing he was saying he wouldn't allow amnesty while he was campaigning, I'm pretty sure he would have done it anyway. I was still going to vote for him because I don't believe any politician can make good on all or most of their campaign promises.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 22, 2016 18:59:05 GMT
I apologize if I appeared to be derailing your thread papercrafter but it's something that has been weighing on my mind. A few of the things that should have been several page threads like the business meetings with India barely got responses yet we have have a 5 plus page thread on whether Melania and Barron will live in the WH. I am just concerned that we are burning ourselves out with outrage on things that ultimately won't matter in the long run rather than digging in on the substantive issues. The whole India business dealings was lost in the social media world as we all lost our collective minds over Pence and the Hamilton play. I think this is a calculated move on Trump's part and one that worked well for him in the campaign. This is not a callout to anyone on any side, just my observation and thoughts. I actually thought you made some really good points Let's not waste (for lack of a better word) energy on the little stuff, let's focus on the more important stuff. The stuff that really matters and can really effect us.
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Post by *KAS* on Nov 22, 2016 19:49:06 GMT
papercrafteradvocateHere's an example of what I am referring to; not specific to just this board. This is from a friend of mine on facebook - NOT A PEA. Direct copy and paste
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Post by ahiller on Nov 22, 2016 20:22:50 GMT
It would behoove Donald Trump to learn how government works and understand that as President, he personally does not get to pursue criminal charges against anybody. That's what we have an Attorney General for.
He really needs a refresher on Government 101.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 22, 2016 20:42:33 GMT
It may be a delay - possibly removing the option of getting pardoned by Obama. One can dream anyway. I hope that Obama does pardon her anyway.. because Trump may not go after her but there is nothing to stop Congress. You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of something.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 22, 2016 20:47:03 GMT
I'm more concerned about conflicts of interest and his belief that if the president does it, it can't be illegal.
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Post by lindas on Nov 22, 2016 20:47:06 GMT
It would behoove Donald Trump to learn how government works and understand that as President, he personally does not get to pursue criminal charges against anybody. That's what we have an Attorney General for. He really needs a refresher on Government 101. He can certainly request that the attorney general appoint an independent counsel. "Under current law, the U.S. attorney general has a fairly wide purview to appoint a special prosecutor if she believes a criminal investigation is warranted or if the U.S. Justice Department cannot conduct the investigation independently, according to the Center for Legal and Economic Studies. So while it would be legally possible for a President Trump to demand that his attorney general appoint a special prosecutor to investigate a former political opponent, it would be a first."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 21:04:13 GMT
You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of something. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon who had never been convicted of anything. It was an unpopular decision that probably cost him his own term as president, but he felt it best for the nation to start healing from the Watergate scandal.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 22, 2016 21:20:43 GMT
Heh. My favorite part is the claim (by a surrogate) that "Donald Trump can help her heal." Sounds just like him, right? Next, we'll learn he's become her AA sponsor.
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Post by happyOCgirl on Nov 22, 2016 21:48:46 GMT
I was curious about presidential promises and looked it up. I was surprised at how many kept most of their promises! I'm sure there will be those to jump on the presidents who kept less of their promises, but the fact is every president since 1944 has kept over half of their promises.
YEAR OF PUBLICATION TIME PERIOD STUDIED SHARE OF PROMISES KEPT 1968 1944-66 72% 1969 1932-64 80 1971 1944-66 72 1980 1944-78 69 1984 1912-76 71 1985 1960-80 61 1987 1945-79 64 1996 1980-88 52 1997 1977-92 60 1999 1976-92 60 2004 1997-99 73
Average 67%
The history of U.S. presidents keeping their promises SOURCE: ADAPTED FROM PÉTRY AND COLLETTE, “MEASURING HOW POLITICAL PARTIES KEEP THEIR PROMISES“
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Post by happyOCgirl on Nov 22, 2016 21:50:35 GMT
Ugh that chart didn't copy so well. The first number is the year it was published. The next set is the years studied. Third is the percentage of promises kept.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 22, 2016 21:58:34 GMT
ugh- that info doesn't reassure me, happyOCgirl ! (but seeing your avatar always makes me smile! )
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 22, 2016 22:09:00 GMT
I hope that Obama does pardon her anyway.. because Trump may not go after her but there is nothing to stop Congress. You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of something. I believe if she applies for Executive Clemency he can. I read an article last week and that is what it said. Though I couldn't cite a source.
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Post by peano on Nov 22, 2016 22:19:11 GMT
And they will continue to continue on because he was very clear about who he was and how he thought, and people voted for him anyway. Carry on then. I was really truly interested in what those who voted for him feel about it. I wasn't "hoping" for anything. 🙄 I don't know that I've come across a thread yet (and correct me if I'm wrong) where people have asked what Trump voters thought that hasn't turned negative towards people that voted for him (just a few responses into this thread show it again). So while your intentions might have been to have a true discussion and not be confrontational (if that's the case, I do apologize), it just came across, to me, as yet another thread to point the finger. Honey. That's BECAUSE the finger needs pointing today, tomorrow and every day of the next four years. The discussion is: What kind of person are you and what do you stand for?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:04:31 GMT
Carry on then. I don't know that I've come across a thread yet (and correct me if I'm wrong) where people have asked what Trump voters thought that hasn't turned negative towards people that voted for him (just a few responses into this thread show it again). So while your intentions might have been to have a true discussion and not be confrontational (if that's the case, I do apologize), it just came across, to me, as yet another thread to point the finger. Honey. That's BECAUSE the finger needs pointing today, tomorrow and every day of the next four years. The discussion is: What kind of person are you and what do you stand for? I can tell you this about me: calling me "honey" doesn't even begin to get my granny panties in a twist. Nice try though.
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Post by Merge on Nov 22, 2016 23:08:12 GMT
Never mind - this had already been said!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:14:09 GMT
And with that...this Trump voter is going to have dinner with her Clinton-voting husband. Because, yes, we still love and respect each other, love a good dinner together, and we're still sharing the same bed!
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 22, 2016 23:25:26 GMT
And with that...this Trump voter is going to have dinner with her Clinton-voting husband. Because, yes, we still love and respect each other, love a good dinner together, and we're still sharing the same bed! So long as said husband isn't the dude in your picture, I say AMEN to that!
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Post by mimima on Nov 22, 2016 23:27:30 GMT
While the media hyped this a yuge campaign promise, I think the majority of his supporters are more concerned with his promises about jobs and the economy. Would most Trump voters like to see her punished in some way? Probably but I don't think this was at the tip top of their list. So except for the most fervent supporters I don't think this will be a huge deal. We Democrats have to stick to the policy positions and appointments that are important - how he is going to handle his businesses, his ties to the white nationalists, appearances of nepotism, his bottom of the barrel cabinet picks, his attempts to stifle the press, etc. We are going to burn ourselves out by expending outrage on every.single.thing that comes out of Trump's mouth. And, quite frankly, that is what he is hoping. He will keep manufacturing outrage by tweeting, surrounding himself with syncophants, and being all "mavericky" to hide the unethical business transactions and the fact that he doesn't have a clue how to govern. Just like he ran his campaign. The more we talk about if he's going to live in the WH, Melania's nude photos, the wall he can't build and prosecuting Clinton which he also can't do, the more we help Trump build support. You are not going to get Trump voters to admit they may regret their vote right now (this is not a criticism of Trump voters). He hasn't even taken office yet. In my opinion, it will take 6 months to a year before we see the upset from voters that he isn't fufilling campaign promises. And it will come primarily from those that were NeverHillary and those that thought he could bring jobs back to the country. I don't know, I see a fair amount of "Hillary for Prison " bumper stickers and not a lot of "Repeal the TPP" ones.
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Post by rickmer on Nov 22, 2016 23:40:07 GMT
He will keep manufacturing outrage by tweeting, surrounding himself with syncophants, and being all "mavericky" to hide the unethical business transactions and the fact that he doesn't have a clue how to govern. Just like he ran his campaign. The more we talk about if he's going to live in the WH, Melania's nude photos, the wall he can't build and prosecuting Clinton which he also can't do, the more we help Trump build support. yup.
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