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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 23:05:59 GMT
"My heart of love is going out for all that was in harm's way of God's will," she said. "Sending out mine and our condolences to every family that God touched yesterday in this horrible accident. And I am asking for compassion also for my son." www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/us/tennessee-school-bus-crash-mother-of-driver/Wondering what people who believe in God make of this? I guess if she believes everything is God's will and he keeps track of the number of hairs on your head, etc., then I guess that's one way to look at this. But it sounds horrible to say it and I sure it adds no comfort to the grieving families. I wonder why she said it. But then, I never understood refrain of "prayers" after an accident or disaster. I'm always like, "to the same God who watched (in the case of man-made tragedy) or made it happen (in the case of non-man-made disasters)? |
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Post by craftykitten on Nov 23, 2016 23:09:31 GMT
I really, really struggle when people say things like this. I don't know what I believe in, but I struggle with a god who would pick and choose children to die.
I was going to say, I am glad she can find comfort. And then I read that it was her son who CAUSED the accident. I think he should take responsibility for his own actions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 23:20:06 GMT
It sounds to me like she's placing the blame on God, thereby absolving her son of any wrong-doing. The ultimate helicopter parent.
Will the bus's black box have a recording of anything he might have said before the crash? Or just what was going on with the bus, like speed?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 23:28:08 GMT
"My heart of love is going out for all that was in harm's way of God's will," she said. "Sending out mine and our condolences to every family that God touched yesterday in this horrible accident. And I am asking for compassion also for my son." These kinds of statements are not helpful, comforting or anything else like that. In fact, more often than not, they're horribly insensitive and hurtful. It just leaves me with a negative impression of their "faith." |
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Nov 23, 2016 23:34:53 GMT
Looks like personal accountability wasn't a parenting lesson she passed along to her son. Those statements are painful to read.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 23, 2016 23:41:17 GMT
It wasn't God's will. God gave us free will and this driver chose to do harm with his free will.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 23, 2016 23:43:25 GMT
I have often had that offered to me as an explanation for a tragedy, and it stings every time.
She really shouldn't be talking to the news right now. There is nothing she could say that would help in any way.
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Post by imsirius on Nov 23, 2016 23:44:57 GMT
Well then....maybe it's "God's will" that her son go to prison.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 0:43:44 GMT
It wasn't God's will. God gave us free will and this driver chose to do harm with his free will. I hear that one a bit too. But what I don't understand about that idea is, why can't free will and happiness co-exist? Is there free will in heaven? But it's supposed to be joyful there? So how do they co-exist in heaven, but not here. Or, is there not free will in heaven? Sorry, stuff like this article always get me thinking these same questions. I hope the families are well cared for and being helped by loved ones and community. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 24, 2016 0:50:21 GMT
Easy for her to say. Her son is alive.
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Post by heather on Nov 24, 2016 0:55:27 GMT
I always give a pass to parents in these types of situations. I can't imagine my reaction, especially in the immediate aftermath, if my 'baby' was responsible for such a horrendous act.
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Nov 24, 2016 1:09:27 GMT
A classic example of "just because you think it, doesn't mean you should say it."
Why does anyone care what she has to say anyway?
And she's making herself a target by continuing to talk. In a tragedy like this, people really want someone to blame and she's not doing herself or her son any favors. Now she'll get threats and we'll hear her whine about that as well. Someone needs to remind her that this isn't her 15 minutes and that her son was at the wheel when it happened.
What's next? He's just doing God's work? SMH
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 24, 2016 1:10:03 GMT
It wasn't God's will. God gave us free will and this driver chose to do harm with his free will. I hear that one a bit too. But what I don't understand about that idea is, why can't free will and happiness co-exist? Is there free will in heaven? But it's supposed to be joyful there? So how do they co-exist in heaven, but not here. Or, is there not free will in heaven? Sorry, stuff like this article always get me thinking these same questions. I hope the families are well cared for and being helped by loved ones and community. I don't understand why you think free will and happiness can't co-exist? Regarding the mother of the bus drivers comments, I don't care what kind of nonsense she believes, she needs to keep her mouth shut. That kind of comment is neither helpful or comforting. |
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Post by melanell on Nov 24, 2016 1:11:17 GMT
Well then....maybe it's "God's will" that her son go to prison. This was exactly what I was thinking. I'm sure she won't see it that way for some reason, though. How awful for the families of the victims to have to hear this from her.  Save |
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Nov 24, 2016 1:18:12 GMT
Lady, STFU.
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Post by loco coco on Nov 24, 2016 1:19:15 GMT
This boils my blood. Those poor families  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 1:20:29 GMT
I don't understand why you think free will and happiness can't co-exist? Because people always say we have pain and suffering on earth because of "free will". But we would have peace and joy in heaven w/no pain or suffering. So, my question is: is there free will in heaven? Because supposedly it's perfect there. If there can be free will in heaven and perfection at the same time, why wasn't that the way the earth was created in the first place? Why does our free will here lead to pain and suffering but not in heaven? |
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 24, 2016 1:27:08 GMT
She needs to get her ass kicked multiple times and then told it was gods will.
And her son needs the shot kicked out of him daily.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 24, 2016 1:33:49 GMT
Sometimes people say things that they think sounds good and prayerful but it comes out way wrong. I think this is one of those cases.
Either that, or she is trying to make sense of what happened and doesn't want to blame her son.
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Post by monklady123 on Nov 24, 2016 1:47:39 GMT
I don't understand why you think free will and happiness can't co-exist? Because people always say we have pain and suffering on earth because of "free will". But we would have peace and joy in heaven w/no pain or suffering. So, my question is: is there free will in heaven? Because supposedly it's perfect there. If there can be free will in heaven and perfection at the same time, why wasn't that the way the earth was created in the first place? Why does our free will here lead to pain and suffering but not in heaven? Yes, but we have happiness on earth because of free will also. My neighborhood freely chooses to do a big Halloween extravaganza that brings a lot of happiness to children. --- Or, about 50 of us use our free will to sing in a community choir. We bring happiness when we have our concerts. -- Or those who volunteer in a food bank/kitchen do so through their own free will, and they bring happiness to those who they serve. I'm not sure I understand your question about heaven. If one believes in heaven it is a place of eternal joy. It has nothing to do with one's free will on earth, which sometimes brings pain to others, and which sometimes brings joy and happiness to others. and eta: It is not God's will that anyone dies, especially not children. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 1:50:03 GMT
Yes, but we have happiness on earth because of free will also. My neighborhood freely chooses to do a big Halloween extravaganza that brings a lot of happiness to children. --- Or, about 50 of us use our free will to sing in a community choir. We bring happiness when we have our concerts. -- Or those who volunteer in a food bank/kitchen do so through their own free will, and they bring happiness to those who they serve. I'm not sure I understand your question about heaven. If one believes in heaven it is a place of eternal joy. It has nothing to do with one's free will on earth, which sometimes brings pain to others, and which sometimes brings joy and happiness to others. If heaven is a place of eternal joy and has free will in it, why isn't earth like that too? If heaven doesn't have free will in it, why was it so important to have free will on earth? |
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Nov 24, 2016 1:50:36 GMT
I really, really struggle when people say things like this. I don't know what I believe in, but I struggle with a god who would pick and choose children to die. This is also my issue with religious things. Not just picking and choosing children to die, but to be hurt by adults in any way, shape or form. |
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Post by shescrafty on Nov 24, 2016 3:43:51 GMT
She needs to shut up.
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Post by destined2bmom on Nov 24, 2016 3:52:21 GMT
Well then....maybe it's "God's will" that her son go to prison.  |
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Post by 61redhead on Nov 24, 2016 4:06:44 GMT
 Yes, but we have happiness on earth because of free will also. My neighborhood freely chooses to do a big Halloween extravaganza that brings a lot of happiness to children. --- Or, about 50 of us use our free will to sing in a community choir. We bring happiness when we have our concerts. -- Or those who volunteer in a food bank/kitchen do so through their own free will, and they bring happiness to those who they serve. I'm not sure I understand your question about heaven. If one believes in heaven it is a place of eternal joy. It has nothing to do with one's free will on earth, which sometimes brings pain to others, and which sometimes brings joy and happiness to others. If heaven is a place of eternal joy and has free will in it, why isn't earth like that too? If heaven doesn't have free will in it, why was it so important to have free will on earth? This is just my take on it, based on my understanding of Biblical teachings. When God created man, He gave us the free will to make our own decisions. If we could not make our own decisions, we would be no more than puppets. Some people do not make good decisions, which results in sin, sickness, death, etc. If God swooped down and saved people from the results of the bad decisions, that would negate our free will, and we are back to being puppets. Is He supposed to pick and choose who to save and who to let suffer? No, of course not! Fee will is an "all or nothing" concept. We either have free will to make our own decisions, and to live with the consequences of same, or we are puppets. I know a lot of people don't understand or don't want to try to understand this concept. It's hard because innocent people often suffer from the free will of bad people, or of good people who make a bad decision. It takes a lot of study of the Bible to understand that what we endure here on earth is but a second of time to God. We see such a miniscule part of the whole big picture. I know this is not a popular opinion here, but hey, you asked!
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Post by peagia13 on Nov 24, 2016 4:13:52 GMT
Me thinks a theologian this poor soul is clearly not but I can not imagine the hurt she is experiencing so I pray for her to be comforted. I can't say I wouldn't grasp at straws if I were in her shoes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 4:55:36 GMT
This is just my take on it, based on my understanding of Biblical teachings. When God created man, He gave us the free will to make our own decisions. If we could not make our own decisions, we would be no more than puppets. Some people do not make good decisions, which results in sin, sickness, death, etc. If God swooped down and saved people from the results of the bad decisions, that would negate our free will, and we are back to being puppets. Is He supposed to pick and choose who to save and who to let suffer? No, of course not! Fee will is an "all or nothing" concept. We either have free will to make our own decisions, and to live with the consequences of same, or we are puppets. I know a lot of people don't understand or don't want to try to understand this concept. It's hard because innocent people often suffer from the free will of bad people, or of good people who make a bad decision. It takes a lot of study of the Bible to understand that what we endure here on earth is but a second of time to God. We see such a miniscule part of the whole big picture. I know this is not a popular opinion here, but hey, you asked! I did ask. So thank you for taking the time to explain your take on it. Still don't understand it though. Are we puppets in heaven then? Since it's so perfect there? Where did all the desire to do bad things go? And if it can go away there, why couldn't earth have been like that in the first place so we wouldn't have that desire here? |
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 24, 2016 6:15:55 GMT
The first sentence of her words makes no sense to me at all.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 24, 2016 6:50:50 GMT
It wasn't God's will. God gave us free will and this driver chose to do harm with his free will. I hear that one a bit too. But what I don't understand about that idea is, why can't free will and happiness co-exist? Is there free will in heaven? But it's supposed to be joyful there? So how do they co-exist in heaven, but not here. Or, is there not free will in heaven? Sorry, stuff like this article always get me thinking these same questions. I hope the families are well cared for and being helped by loved ones and community. Free will and happiness absolutely co exists! We can choose our free will to be happy, to do good things, Help or comfort others, love and be loved. The bus driver chose to do other things with his free will. Under the law, hopefully the future jurors will use their free will to seek justice on behalf of those children. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 13:04:51 GMT
Free will and happiness absolutely co exists! We can choose our free will to be happy, to do good things, Help or comfort others, love and be loved. The bus driver chose to do other things with his free will. Under the law, hopefully the future jurors will use their free will to seek justice on behalf of those children. Yes, the co-exist sometimes. But,apparently in heaven, we can have free will and PERFECT happiness - w/no suffering or pain. If we can have it there, why didn't it start out that way here? It seems cruel to make it any other way if you have the power to make earth or heaven a place w/free will AND perfect happiness/no suffering. |
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