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Post by LeaP on Dec 11, 2016 20:24:35 GMT
Hey, no French on this thread or are you starting a war on English? SaveSaveYou Americans started it by bastardizing "voila" with "wallah". Hahahahaha! Freedom fries forever SaveSave
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 11, 2016 20:26:51 GMT
True enough. Apparently I also buy leisure peas. Fishing is a relaxing activity. Seems only fitting that you'd want the more leisurely peas. The frozen ones are so uptight. No fun at all.
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Post by leftturnonly on Dec 11, 2016 20:46:13 GMT
Fishing is a relaxing activity. Seems only fitting that you'd want the more leisurely peas. The frozen ones are so uptight. No fun at all. They do tend to be very cold and stiff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 21:00:38 GMT
Nope. And here's why. I've never had a problem with "Happy Holidays". I guess in my mind it was just the same as and interchangeable with "Merry Christmas". I did understand why some would have an issue with the move to calling Christmas trees, school Christmas parties, Christmas concerts, etc. to holiday trees, holiday, parties, holiday concerts, the call for removing nativities from public places etc. But, this is another one of those subjects that I have long ago come to see another viewpoint from listening to the respectful logic and reasoning from the Peas. Thanks for putting it in visual form, Nink.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 11, 2016 23:09:44 GMT
mmm, eggnog ...
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Post by elaine on Dec 11, 2016 23:16:17 GMT
I've never had a problem with "Happy Holidays". I guess in my mind it was just the same as and interchangeable with "Merry Christmas". I did understand why some would have an issue with the move to calling Christmas trees, school Christmas parties, Christmas concerts, etc. to holiday trees, holiday, parties, holiday concerts, the call for removing nativities from public places etc. But, this is another one of those subjects that I have long ago come to see another viewpoint from listening to the respectful logic and reasoning from the Peas. Thanks for putting it in visual form, Nink . Great post, Gia.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 11, 2016 23:47:12 GMT
Interesting that the article describes Bass Pro Shop as a gun store. Based on the flyers I get in the mail they are a hunting, fishing, camping and outdoor kind of store. We fish a LOT, and I don't recall anyone shooting the fish. Maybe we are doing it wrong? I haven't noticed a war on Christmas. Maybe because I am too busy having a Happy Holiday? Have you never heard of shooting fish in a barrel? Of course your doing it wrong -silly.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 12, 2016 0:01:17 GMT
I'm just going to say, "May Peace be with you!" Is that too Christian? I don't get bent out of shape over Happy Holidays! Last year my card I sent out said Happy Holidays because I thought it was pretty and loved the nontraditional colors. I suppose I offended some deeply religious friends, but they could just enjoy the pictures. My cards arrive anywhere from a few days before Christmas and New Year's Eve, so Holidays is good. The holiday and vacation terms are interesting. I could see how Happy Holidays would sound awkward. I grew up saying Christmas and Summer Vacation. It was a break from school, nothing more. My second year of teaching a mother let me know that her son was hurt by the assignment because he didn't go on vacation. I say break now. I think most of our families at our school celebrate Christmas. Once in awhile, some won't celebrate holidays. I guess I do call our parties by the month of the year... December Party or February Party. Great by me we could all use a little peace. I don't get offended when people wish me a 'blessed day'
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 12, 2016 0:02:38 GMT
You know, when issues of whether a word or label is "offensive", we're told that it's offensive if the people it's being said about are offended, even if the word itself is not offensive. We're told to be "respectful".
Yet, here, for whatever reason, we have some Christians who feel offended, who feel that there is a war on Christmas. Yet rather than be polite or respectful, all they get is ridicule. No being respectful of their feeling, no acknowledgement that they may feel this way. Just ridicule for feeling that way.
Yet another hypocrisy by the so-called "tolerant" sect. There may not be a "war" on Christmas but it's definitely "open season" on devout Christians, their beliefs and their feelings. So what if they're happy that there's a return to "Merry Christmas". Is that really a reason for all the denigration seen on this post?
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 12, 2016 0:16:47 GMT
True enough. Apparently I also buy leisure peas. Fishing is a relaxing activity. Seems only fitting that you'd want the more leisurely peas. Haha! I fish online. So there's that.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 12, 2016 0:18:56 GMT
It always kind of surprises me how uptight people become when others don't invoke the name of their Lord and Saviour in an effort to hock their wares. As if the story of Jesus losing his shit and flipping over tables was completely lost on them. It is lost in them. It doesn't fit their victim narrative so it's not a rallying point.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 12, 2016 0:27:57 GMT
Does my putting the Stanley Cup, Sully, and Mike wosaki (sp?) in with my willow tree nativity add to or cancel out christmas? And with this post, if you know me in real life, you've now figured out who I am as I doubt there is a twin out there who has done the same. Well Just put some frankincense or myrrh in that cup and call it a Day! The rest depends, if Mike and Sully are participating then it adds to Christmas. If not.....
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Post by DEX on Dec 12, 2016 1:04:44 GMT
Why does it matter what a stranger in a store says to you? Does it make you feel like you're somehow 'winning' if they say merry christmas? I think this comment swings both ways. Why was it such a big deal that Merry Christmas was said and why did it have to change? I'm of the opinion that if someone is wishing me well, I don't care what words they use, but I also believe that people (and businesses) should be able to use whichever words of good wishes they choose. In the last few years it became almost bad manners to wish someone "Merry Christmas" because they might be offended. Now, the pendulum is swinging back a bit. And this Eastern European Jew really doesn't mind hearing "Merry Christmas" instead of Happy Holidays. Though, to be honest, I might be a bit surprised if a store clerk wished my lily-white tush "Happy Kwanza". And a later quote has a "slappity, slap, slap" quality to it. Really Lauren, there are no monsters under the bed, no underground, left leaning, liberal, Hillary supporting, conspiracy lovin' group out to get you here. No "them" vs. "us" which you continue to perpetuate. There are just some (like me) who want a better world and will call out bullying, racist, homophobic behavior everywhere it occurs. In my ideal world everyone is included including those whose choices don't match mine.
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Post by kelbel827 on Dec 12, 2016 2:30:07 GMT
I'm atheist. I celebrate Christmas and anything else I feel like celebrating. As a non-Christian, I believe in Christmas trees, decorations, music, ugly sweaters, and Hallmark channel and their cheesy movies. I was even invited to a Chrismukkah party this year.
I usually spend Christmas with a family full of Muslims, my family, who mostly identifies as Christian, and my son, also atheist. I have foods we all can eat. Usually even have a ham. My Muslim friends don't eat it. They also don't bitch that I've served a food they don't eat. There is plenty of food for everyone.
I don't care if you are into the same sex, I don't care if you are into both sexes, I don't care if you are purple, I don't care what you believe. I do care that people are respectful to each other. I also don't care if you wish me Merry Christmas. I'll probably say, same to you or even Merry Christmas back. To me, Happy Holidays means just that. Have whatever holiday you celebrate be happy, or as in my case, happy all of them, because I don't discriminate when it comes to holidays.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 12, 2016 2:59:22 GMT
Nope. It has been out for as long as I have lived here, about 23 years. And that is my point. Christmas isn't being eradicated. It is still there, and I think that perception is 90% of this argument. We see what we want to see. Just because Starbucks has an inclusive cup doesn't mean that there is a war against the Christian faith, a good hard look around us shows us that Christmas IS here in our midst. If there really was an effort to get rid of Christmas, then (at least my little corner of the world) would look, feel and sound a lot different. (And, if you really want to engage in fruitful conversation, you may want to lose the 'nazi' part of your comment. It is an ugly comparison and tends to make people who otherwise may want to talk about this topic defensive from the get go.) Nazi is how they act, and I'm not joking. I hope (for the sake of your community) that they never find out where you live.I guess this is one of those things that is totally subjective. A drive through my town gives me a different perspective than what you are saying-there are official city sanctioned decorations throughout that include Christmas trees and a manger scene, the stores that I shop in have an abundance of both secular and religious items for sale, the cashier at Publix yesterday wished me a Merry Christmas, my neighborhood is full of 'Jesus is the Reason for the Season' yard signs...and if the amount of Christmas music playing every where I go is any indication, my entire town IS Christmas town. I don't see a single thing anywhere that suggests that there has been a concerted effort (or otherwise) to remove Christmas. My GOD! The manger nazis haven't gotten rid of that yet? (I'm sure they'll be along as soon as they find out.)I think I just got dumber by reading them. Wow is all I can say to describe them. Someone saying they would walk out without buying if the cashier didn't say Merry Christmas. Give me a break. How is that christian? ETA: someone also said if Hillary won (though of course they called her something else) that Christmas would have been history. Seriously? Isn't she Christian? Do these poeple have any idea how stupid they sound? Personally I say Happy Holidays. I would hope people would take it as the good meaning it has, just like when someone says Merry Christmas I take it that they are being kind and sending me good wishes. People just need something to be upset about. I did get a good laugh about them saying Bass Pro is gun friendly. Yeah, nothing puts the Christ in Christmas like weapons to kill. People tend to get upset when their traditions like CHRISTMAS are stamped out everywhere they go. No more Christmas tree - it's a holiday tree. No more Christmas cards - holiday cards. No Merry Christmas - happy holidays. No more Christmas vacation - winter break. This excuse of inclusion is bullshit. Christmas is in December and the vast majority celebrate it. JUST SAY IT. CHRISTMAS. Did it kill ya to say it? I didn't think so.Yeah, ridiculed... because stating that some changes were to include every celebration was met with "it's bullshit", And others who are attempting to include everyone/celebrations are referred to as "nazis". No ridicule there. Right.
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Post by tuva42 on Dec 12, 2016 4:47:24 GMT
I'm always amused that some Christians believe that they own December. That everything that happens between Thanksgiving and New Year's Day should revolve about Christianity. That every time some wishes them anything other than a Merry Christmas is an attack on their holiday.
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Post by scrappintoee on Dec 12, 2016 5:41:24 GMT
He tried to tell her that Target never plays music and that it was nothing against Christmas. She went on to say that she was offended because she was a Christian and she would never shop there again. She insisted my son call the manager so she could tell him the same thing. FIRST of all----Many, MANY (( hugs )) to your son and some IDIOTS he has to deal with !??!! I WISH this was a joke !!!! Does she actually think Target will CARE that she'll never shop there again!??! And THEN, she makes it worse----she wants to speak to a manager !!!!!!!!!!!! Omg, can you IMAGINE how hard it would be to be that manager !! Ohhhh, the things I would want to say to her !!! Hey lady---here's the earth, and here's you.....the earth does NOT revolve around YOU!!!
By the way.... Fairlyoddparent ----did your son hear the conversation between the crazy, narcissistic customer and the manager?!!? Wonder if it was that LOON from the infamous "Micheal's" video !??! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love Jim Wright even MORE now !!!! Every time I shop this time of year, I always say something friendly to the casheirs, ESPECIALLY when you can tell they've had a rough day. And I always tell them "I hope that customers aren't taking out their stress on YOU"....I say it kind of loudly so that just IN CASE there's a selfish idiot in line behind me, they MIGHT think twice before they lash out at the innocent employee who's just doing their stressful job !?! Many employees have looked at me with a surprized/ happy exrpression and said "wow--thank you! I wish every customer felt this way!"
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Post by wholarmor on Dec 12, 2016 6:58:41 GMT
My kids and I went to an event on Greek row in our University town yesterday. As we were walking away from one of the houses, some guys called out,"Merry Christmas!" Then he paused and said a bit quieter,"Maybe I should have said, Happy Holidays, as I wouldn't want to offend." I told him that it was all good. I would take any well wishes.
As a Christian, I get frustrated when other Christians get rude toward others, and demand that they say,"Merry Christmas." I don't think Jesus is a toddler, kicking his feet and crying,"It's MY birthday!" Not really- it's a day that Christians co-opted from the Pagans.
Also, I get annoyed when people pass around the fake Ben Stein article that says the White House is calling the trees "holiday trees." They added a bunch of other fake info to it, too. We can't be taken seriously as Christians when we demand that everyone acknowledge our holidays, and pass around fake info.
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Post by inkedup on Dec 12, 2016 7:09:19 GMT
link "10 Major Retail Stores Take A Stand And Say “Merry Christmas" Instead Of Happy Holidays This Year. Do You Support Them?" Yes, I do! yes, I do. He IS the reason Christmas is celebrated. If you don't want to celebrate it, don't, just go about your normal daily living... Actually, Christmas is based mostly on Pagan rituals and symbolism that the early Christians adopted for their own uses. But we all know that you aren't the kind of person who lets little things like fact and history affect your worldview....
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Post by inkedup on Dec 12, 2016 7:14:32 GMT
Why does it matter what a stranger in a store says to you? Does it make you feel like you're somehow 'winning' if they say merry christmas? I think this comment swings both ways. Why was it such a big deal that Merry Christmas was said and why did it have to change? I'm of the opinion that if someone is wishing me well, I don't care what words they use, but I also believe that people (and businesses) should be able to use whichever words of good wishes they choose. In the last few years it became almost bad manners to wish someone "Merry Christmas" because they might be offended. Now, the pendulum is swinging back a bit. And this Eastern European Jew really doesn't mind hearing "Merry Christmas" instead of Happy Holidays. Though, to be honest, I might be a bit surprised if a store clerk wished my lily-white tush "Happy Kwanza". Our diverse group of friends includes people of many different faiths (and several atheists like me). I cannot recall one instance in which any of us have taken offense when someone has wished us a Merry Christmas.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Dec 12, 2016 7:16:18 GMT
The Chunkah miracle took place in 139 BCE and was first celebrated, menorah and all, in 138 BCE. So, Jesus would have been saying Happy Chanukah to all at this time of year. Although, really, since it wasn't a shopping holiday back then, the greeting only would have been shared on the 8 days of Chanukah and not before. Thank G-d (I used the hyphen for you, Elaine) someone around here knows more Jewish history than I do. And sorry, ComplicatedLady , I steered you wrong! No worries. We're all here to live and learn! Happy Holidays!
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Dec 12, 2016 7:20:33 GMT
Clearly. Then again, you buy your tuna in a can, so what do you know? True enough. Apparently I also buy leisure peas. Mostly because we are flats fisher people and tuna hangs out much further away...I have *wanted* to shoot a fish or two over the years...like the time the shark followed in my redfish and stole it right off my line. Him, I wanted to shoot. "Denny Crane...." Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 12, 2016 10:42:30 GMT
You know, when issues of whether a word or label is "offensive", we're told that it's offensive if the people it's being said about are offended, even if the word itself is not offensive. We're told to be "respectful". Yet, here, for whatever reason, we have some Christians who feel offended, who feel that there is a war on Christmas. Yet rather than be polite or respectful, all they get is ridicule. No being respectful of their feeling, no acknowledgement that they may feel this way. Just ridicule for feeling that way. Yet another hypocrisy by the so-called "tolerant" sect. There may not be a "war" on Christmas but it's definitely "open season" on devout Christians, their beliefs and their feelings. So what if they're happy that there's a return to "Merry Christmas". Is that really a reason for all the denigration seen on this post? Well first of all I consider myself a "devout" Christian so don't lump us all into the same group. And anyway, saying "Merry Christmas" has nothing to do with one's Christian faith. -- And second, the issue is not disrespecting someone else's beliefs. The main issue is that this certain type of Christian wants to put *their* beliefs on everyone else. Not just in this "Merry Christmas" thing but in larger more important issues. I am absolutely tolerant -- to use your word -- of anyone else's religious beliefs, but I don't want any of them to be forced onto a larger society. This whole "merry Christmas" thing smacks of that. -- And the group who wants to put their brand of Christianity onto others never really answers the question I and others asked... "how does what other people believe affect your own faith?" If I fervently believe in the blue moon god and bow down to him (her?) you are still free to believe in the pink star god. One does not negate the other. But if I try to make laws that say "my blue moon god is the only god, you may not paint yourself pink on starry nights" then you pink people are being persecuted. Oh, and it's the whole "persecution" thing that sets many of us off. American Christians are not persecuted. omg. Check the news from yesterday in Egypt (someone already mentioned that, I think, in this thread) to see Christians who are persecuted.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 12, 2016 14:18:59 GMT
I think this comment swings both ways. Why was it such a big deal that Merry Christmas was said and why did it have to change? I'm of the opinion that if someone is wishing me well, I don't care what words they use, but I also believe that people (and businesses) should be able to use whichever words of good wishes they choose. In the last few years it became almost bad manners to wish someone "Merry Christmas" because they might be offended. Now, the pendulum is swinging back a bit. And this Eastern European Jew really doesn't mind hearing "Merry Christmas" instead of Happy Holidays. Though, to be honest, I might be a bit surprised if a store clerk wished my lily-white tush "Happy Kwanza". Our diverse group of friends includes people of many different faiths (and several atheists like me). I cannot recall one instance in which any of us have taken offense when someone has wished us a Merry Christmas. If that's the case, why all of the push to change it in past years?
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Post by Merge on Dec 12, 2016 14:21:33 GMT
You know, when issues of whether a word or label is "offensive", we're told that it's offensive if the people it's being said about are offended, even if the word itself is not offensive. We're told to be "respectful". Yet, here, for whatever reason, we have some Christians who feel offended, who feel that there is a war on Christmas. Yet rather than be polite or respectful, all they get is ridicule. No being respectful of their feeling, no acknowledgement that they may feel this way. Just ridicule for feeling that way. Yet another hypocrisy by the so-called "tolerant" sect. There may not be a "war" on Christmas but it's definitely "open season" on devout Christians, their beliefs and their feelings. So what if they're happy that there's a return to "Merry Christmas". Is that really a reason for all the denigration seen on this post? Well first of all I consider myself a "devout" Christian so don't lump us all into the same group. And anyway, saying "Merry Christmas" has nothing to do with one's Christian faith. -- And second, the issue is not disrespecting someone else's beliefs. The main issue is that this certain type of Christian wants to put *their* beliefs on everyone else. Not just in this "Merry Christmas" thing but in larger more important issues. I am absolutely tolerant -- to use your word -- of anyone else's religious beliefs, but I don't want any of them to be forced onto a larger society. This whole "merry Christmas" thing smacks of that. -- And the group who wants to put their brand of Christianity onto others never really answers the question I and others asked... "how does what other people believe affect your own faith?" If I fervently believe in the blue moon god and bow down to him (her?) you are still free to believe in the pink star god. One does not negate the other. But if I try to make laws that say "my blue moon god is the only god, you may not paint yourself pink on starry nights" then you pink people are being persecuted. Oh, and it's the whole "persecution" thing that sets many of us off. American Christians are not persecuted. omg. Check the news from yesterday in Egypt (someone already mentioned that, I think, in this thread) to see Christians who are persecuted. Thank you for saying this. We don't need to be tolerant of those who want their way to be the only way. It seems to escape those "Christmas only" folks that their holiday is included among those being wished happy. That isn't good enough. Alone among all the others, they feel entitled to a greeting that specifies their particular belief, and further, they want everyone else to receive that greeting as well. That's the behavior of spoiled children and dictators, not reasonable adults. Why on earth should we be tolerant of that?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 12, 2016 14:32:20 GMT
Our diverse group of friends includes people of many different faiths (and several atheists like me). I cannot recall one instance in which any of us have taken offense when someone has wished us a Merry Christmas. If that's the case, why all of the push to change it in past years? It's been mentioned before that it's a marketing ploy by retailers. Why wouldn't they want to appear to be more inclusive of every celebration so that they can entice more people and make sales? This is why people are saying that there really is NOT a war on Christmas--no one is trying to take anything away from anyone. Why not ask those who appear to be less tolerant, why they cannot just go with the flow? Would it kill someone to say Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings knowing full well that the terms are used unilaterally? Would it kill them to say it? JUST SAY IT?? I didn't think so. The only ones who seem to get their panties in a bunch about it are those who think that their belief is the only way, those who think their race and ethnicity is the "right" one, and those who think that their religious morals are superior to everyone else.
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Post by lbp on Dec 12, 2016 14:40:43 GMT
I say Merry Christmas because that is just what I am used to saying. I've never had any one react negatively to it. I wouldn't care if someone wished me a Happy Hanukah, Happy Kwanza, Feliz Navidad, etc ..
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Post by myboysnme on Dec 12, 2016 14:50:07 GMT
Ive always liked Seasons Greetings.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 12, 2016 14:54:21 GMT
I don't see, hear, read of anyone trying to eradicate Christmas!
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Post by tracylynn on Dec 12, 2016 15:08:54 GMT
There was never a prohibition against saying "Merry Christmas". What there WAS ... an open spirit .. generosity ... an inclusion ... some "Christian charity" in saying "Happy Holidays!" I don't think harm was intended ... nobody was dissing "Christmas" or merriment. It was just a way of spreading holiday good will to those persons whose belief systems were unknown or, possibly, different. I'm not buying it for a minute. Getting rid of the word Christmas was deliberate and not for inclusion purposes. A lot of people are upset by this and you don't give a damn about their feeling do you? They aren't feeling included when you do that - do you even care? When you see Christmas stripped from everything it doesn't foster inclusive feelings. It feels like what it is, the stamping out of the word Christmas. It's now the elephant in the room. Nobody speaks of it but it is looming large and you can't miss it. This removal has been a concerted effort and some people are now taking a stand. And I'm glad they are. Where in the hell do you live that you feel like you're persecuted over Christmas? Seriously. There are 83% of Americans that claim to be Christian. Least. Persecuted. People. Ever.
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