kibblesandbits
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Post by kibblesandbits on Dec 22, 2016 1:29:10 GMT
Oh, yay. Another political post. Can't have too many of those. Now if a known liberal would have posted this, a few conservatives would have ripped them to shreds for "demonizing" and "shutting down" conversation! A closer read of the thread reveals that it only took 4 posts for someone to say that I was "shutting down conversation". And I'm neither a known democrat OR republican! The "royal you" - a bit of a spin on "the royal we" - basically "we" (said by the Royals) means "you" all the rest of the citizenry. SaveSave
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kibblesandbits
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Post by kibblesandbits on Dec 22, 2016 1:31:58 GMT
This link goes to a dead page. #404 SaveSave
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Post by ~summer~ on Dec 22, 2016 1:33:13 GMT
I'm not having nightmares but I'm sitting on the bench with you. Very upsetting.
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jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Dec 22, 2016 1:53:24 GMT
You aren't alone. I'm having a bit of anxiety too. I wish I could see a bright side, but I just can't find it. I'm sure it's the news (tv and online) and hearing the blatant lying surrogates that is causing it. Oh and the tweets drive me INSANE - I just want to scream in his face to GROW THE FUCK UP YOU GIANT MANCHILD! I have been turning to HGTV more often and it is helping a bit. I'm like SockMonkey - eating my feelings and it's bumming me out even more.
I wish you the best and hang in there.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 22, 2016 2:10:37 GMT
Now if a known liberal would have posted this, a few conservatives would have ripped them to shreds for "demonizing" and "shutting down" conversation! A closer read of the thread reveals that it only took 4 posts for someone to say that I was "shutting down conversation". And I'm neither a known democrat OR republican! The "royal you" - a bit of a spin on "the royal we" - basically "we" (said by the Royals) means "you" all the rest of the citizenry. SaveSaveI wasn't trying to point AT YOU specifically---just an observation of what's gone on! Thanks on the royals--never heard that before, learned something new!
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Dec 22, 2016 2:10:42 GMT
...upcoming Trump presidency? I don't mean for this to be partisan but I'm having a terrible time feeling fearful about the immediate future of this country and I'm not handling it very well. I love everything about the holidays but I feel overwhelmed by panic and fear sometimes. Am I overreacting? No I don't think you are. If you watch what is happening in North Carolina right now. It is very scary. if you think that GOP politics can't impact your local government. Check out what just happened in Charlotte, in a nutshell. The Charlotte City Council repealed the law that HB2 was written in response to. With the agreement that the NC General Assembly would repeal HB2. Well guess what happened. Charlotte did its part and NCGA did not. It is exhausting and scary. I think I felt like there was still a sliver of hope before the Electoral college voted. Now I feel full of despair. Reading what some say on this board has left me so disheartened. I have no idea of what we are in for, during the next four years, I know it won't be good, I hope it won't be a disaster. I fear for POC, immigrants and muslims. The best I can hope for is that we don't end up in a war with China.
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Post by scrapngranny on Dec 22, 2016 2:20:10 GMT
I am very worried about Trump being our president.
Every time I hear about another cabinet appointment, a tweet storm, his kids being involved with making decisions, and his businesses making money from him being president, I keep waiting for someone to say there is a way to stop him. There has to be something in the constitution or a law to stop this nonsense. Unrealistically, I keep waiting for the people who voted for him to decide he's gone too far and start causing a ruckus.
I'm absolutely flabbergasted that we are in this mess.
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Post by ceepea on Dec 22, 2016 2:54:40 GMT
No, I am not having nightmares but I am concerned. I am trying to live by the saying " don't borrow sorrow from tomorrow". I will worry if/when something happens.
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Post by friendly on Dec 22, 2016 3:05:45 GMT
Thanks to everyone for their responses. It's good to know I'm not alone and I'll take the good advice to limit my news exposure. Good night all!
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Post by elaine on Dec 22, 2016 3:06:23 GMT
I am very worried about Trump being our president. Every time I hear about another cabinet appointment, a tweet storm, his kids being involved with making decisions, and his businesses making money from him being president, I keep waiting for someone to say there is a way to stop him. There has to be something in the constitution or a law to stop this nonsense. Unrealistically, I keep waiting for the people who voted for him to decide he's gone too far and start causing a ruckus. I'm absolutely flabbergasted that we are in this mess.
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tincin
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Post by tincin on Dec 22, 2016 3:11:48 GMT
...upcoming Trump presidency? I don't mean for this to be partisan but I'm having a terrible time feeling fearful about the immediate future of this country and I'm not handling it very well. I love everything about the holidays but I feel overwhelmed by panic and fear sometimes. Am I overreacting? I am as well. A feeling of impending doom, hopelessness, I've never had this feeling about a president elect before. Going through the motions of Christmas but not really enjoying it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 22, 2016 3:42:25 GMT
No, I don't just read one sided news, but thanks for playing. But the Clinton Foundation did NOT sell arms. The US Government did. The Clinton Foundation and the US Government are two separate entities. You clearly stated that the Clinton Foundation sold arms in the Middle East and that is completely, utterly, and undeniably false. The Clinton Foundation has not ever sold arms to anyone. She also ignored that there were NO Saudi/ME donations to the CF while she was SoS. Monies previously donated, which she did not solicit, were for the Library.
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zella
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Post by zella on Dec 22, 2016 4:19:44 GMT
Me. My hubby tries to downplay it, says everything will be okay, but I'm VERY upset and anxious still.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 22, 2016 4:48:03 GMT
Yep. I do not have high hopes for the next 4 years. I will consider it fine if we do not wind up in a war and if we do not send women's rights back 100 years. Also, if we could not have a crashed economy that would be great too.
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Dec 22, 2016 12:38:10 GMT
I'm not having nightmares or anxiety, but I am quite concerned for the direction of the country. Anyone who assumes that "it can't happen here" may learn that it very well could happen here. So much that Trump has done has been normalized. So many of his supporters are quite happy to either ignore things that they would have been apoplectic over if Hillary or Obama had done them - but Trump gets a pass. So many people are willing to do mental gymnastics to explain why it's entirely OK for him to do things that are blatantly corrupt or bad for the nation's security. Once you normalize things like mocking disabled people (even if it's just a 'standard retard' impression), bragging about sexual assault or calling for violence against anyone who doesn't support the regime 100% (at the rallies), it's not a big jump to the next step. Yes, I know Hitler gets brought up too often in situations that don't apply - but in this case, it absolutely does. Hitler never started with concentration camps. It was the little things - 'those people' are ruining us with their different ways, maybe we shouldn't associate with them. Then 'maybe we shouldn't do business with them' to 'maybe we should make it illegal to do business with them' to 'maybe they should have their own places to live, in certain sections of the city' and then 'maybe we should clean them out of the city and send them someplace else.' The first step didn't sound all that bad, and by the time the second step happened people didn't think that sounded bad either. We are one terrorist attack away from some very bad things happening to people, and sadly there are many who will go along with it because they think that safety is more important than liberty. In this case, we've already gone from 'some media don't like me very much' to 'maybe the press shouldn't have access' to 'you can't trust the press because they lie about me - I (and my approved sources) are the only ones you can trust.' Net neutrality - Trump's team seems likely to end that. What does this mean? It means that your ISP gets to determine the speed of data. Want to read the Trump-approved websites? Those can load right up. Want to read the NYT or WaPo? Well, that's going to take a while to load because your ISP doesn't agree with those stances. Maybe you can switch to a different ISP - but many people don't have an option, as some areas are only served by one ISP. So while we may still have 'freedom of the press' it may look very different - only certain press will have access to the president, and you'll only be able to read about events on certain sites because if it takes 20-30 minutes to download the front page of the NYT, how many people will be willing to wait to read it? Gingrich has already started making statements that we need to rethink the rules about corruption because Trump is such a new and different case. He's just so gosh-darned rich that he couldn't possibly abide by the same laws and regulations that every single president has before him. I read the transcript of an NPR report on Trump's views on Putin. It's kind of long but worth the read. It talks about how Putin dislikes Hillary - not because of what she said about the elections in 2011, but because of his dislike of the Bill Clinton/Yeltsin stuff that took place back when the USSR was collapsing. Putin became president in 2000. The rules limited him to 2 terms, so he became prime minister in 2008. He became president again in 2012. When the rules didn't allow him to be president, he found a way to stay in power - it was agreed that while Medvedyev would be president, Putin would be named prime minister and be the one calling the shots. I have no doubt that there are plenty of people who would not mind Trump staying in power for as long as possible - and they will justify it rather than saying "hey...this isn't right, there's a reason why we added this to the Constitution." It will be "well, we added it because it served a purpose at the time...but we can take it out since we never had as wonderful and glorious a leader as Trump before! After all, we repealed prohibition, we can repeal this amendment too!"
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 22, 2016 13:15:09 GMT
Who is the "royal you"? I've never heard that before. i use the term 'collective you' i think it's the same? gina
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Post by Skypea on Dec 22, 2016 13:35:17 GMT
I'm not having nightmares or anxiety, but I am quite concerned for the direction of the country. Anyone who assumes that "it can't happen here" may learn that it very well could happen here. So much that Trump has done has been normalized. So many of his supporters are quite happy to either ignore things that they would have been apoplectic over if Hillary or Obama had done them - but Trump gets a pass. So many people are willing to do mental gymnastics to explain why it's entirely OK for him to do things that are blatantly corrupt or bad for the nation's security. Once you normalize things like mocking disabled people (even if it's just a 'standard retard' impression), bragging about sexual assault or calling for violence against anyone who doesn't support the regime 100% (at the rallies), it's not a big jump to the next step. Yes, I know Hitler gets brought up too often in situations that don't apply - but in this case, it absolutely does. Hitler never started with concentration camps. It was the little things - 'those people' are ruining us with their different ways, maybe we shouldn't associate with them. Then 'maybe we shouldn't do business with them' to 'maybe we should make it illegal to do business with them' to 'maybe they should have their own places to live, in certain sections of the city' and then 'maybe we should clean them out of the city and send them someplace else.' The first step didn't sound all that bad, and by the time the second step happened people didn't think that sounded bad either. We are one terrorist attack away from some very bad things happening to people, and sadly there are many who will go along with it because they think that safety is more important than liberty. In this case, we've already gone from 'some media don't like me very much' to 'maybe the press shouldn't have access' to 'you can't trust the press because they lie about me - I (and my approved sources) are the only ones you can trust.' Net neutrality - Trump's team seems likely to end that. What does this mean? It means that your ISP gets to determine the speed of data. Want to read the Trump-approved websites? Those can load right up. Want to read the NYT or WaPo? Well, that's going to take a while to load because your ISP doesn't agree with those stances. Maybe you can switch to a different ISP - but many people don't have an option, as some areas are only served by one ISP. So while we may still have 'freedom of the press' it may look very different - only certain press will have access to the president, and you'll only be able to read about events on certain sites because if it takes 20-30 minutes to download the front page of the NYT, how many people will be willing to wait to read it? Gingrich has already started making statements that we need to rethink the rules about corruption because Trump is such a new and different case. He's just so gosh-darned rich that he couldn't possibly abide by the same laws and regulations that every single president has before him. I read the transcript of an NPR report on Trump's views on Putin. It's kind of long but worth the read. ...and who was it that organized and paid people to actually cause trouble at Trump rallies? the dems...
much of that has happened by the dems... those the left on here supports. This too, is what came from dems... like Emanuel in Chicago - who thought he could ban CFA from there and DeBlasio in NY saying he'd do the same. I've heard a number of holocaust survivors saying they were seeing it all again - happening here. that was long before Trump was a candidate. They weren't talking about conservatives...they were talking about the left and their take over of our schools, government, the IRS, DOJ, private land, etc.
and who has been whining about the press/Fox for years? not Trump. the left has it's own media - thru 'move on...', ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and the rest of them.
like NPR is unbiased! another left/liberal branch / news source.
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kibblesandbits
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Post by kibblesandbits on Dec 22, 2016 13:42:17 GMT
^^^^ right here is where this is all going to go off the rails now.
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2016 13:46:02 GMT
I'm not having nightmares or anxiety, but I am quite concerned for the direction of the country. Anyone who assumes that "it can't happen here" may learn that it very well could happen here. So much that Trump has done has been normalized. So many of his supporters are quite happy to either ignore things that they would have been apoplectic over if Hillary or Obama had done them - but Trump gets a pass. So many people are willing to do mental gymnastics to explain why it's entirely OK for him to do things that are blatantly corrupt or bad for the nation's security. Once you normalize things like mocking disabled people (even if it's just a 'standard retard' impression), bragging about sexual assault or calling for violence against anyone who doesn't support the regime 100% (at the rallies), it's not a big jump to the next step. Yes, I know Hitler gets brought up too often in situations that don't apply - but in this case, it absolutely does. Hitler never started with concentration camps. It was the little things - 'those people' are ruining us with their different ways, maybe we shouldn't associate with them. Then 'maybe we shouldn't do business with them' to 'maybe we should make it illegal to do business with them' to 'maybe they should have their own places to live, in certain sections of the city' and then 'maybe we should clean them out of the city and send them someplace else.' The first step didn't sound all that bad, and by the time the second step happened people didn't think that sounded bad either. We are one terrorist attack away from some very bad things happening to people, and sadly there are many who will go along with it because they think that safety is more important than liberty. In this case, we've already gone from 'some media don't like me very much' to 'maybe the press shouldn't have access' to 'you can't trust the press because they lie about me - I (and my approved sources) are the only ones you can trust.' Net neutrality - Trump's team seems likely to end that. What does this mean? It means that your ISP gets to determine the speed of data. Want to read the Trump-approved websites? Those can load right up. Want to read the NYT or WaPo? Well, that's going to take a while to load because your ISP doesn't agree with those stances. Maybe you can switch to a different ISP - but many people don't have an option, as some areas are only served by one ISP. So while we may still have 'freedom of the press' it may look very different - only certain press will have access to the president, and you'll only be able to read about events on certain sites because if it takes 20-30 minutes to download the front page of the NYT, how many people will be willing to wait to read it? Gingrich has already started making statements that we need to rethink the rules about corruption because Trump is such a new and different case. He's just so gosh-darned rich that he couldn't possibly abide by the same laws and regulations that every single president has before him. I read the transcript of an NPR report on Trump's views on Putin. It's kind of long but worth the read. It talks about how Putin dislikes Hillary - not because of what she said about the elections in 2011, but because of his dislike of the Bill Clinton/Yeltsin stuff that took place back when the USSR was collapsing. Putin became president in 2000. The rules limited him to 2 terms, so he became prime minister in 2008. He became president again in 2012. When the rules didn't allow him to be president, he found a way to stay in power - it was agreed that while Medvedyev would be president, Putin would be named prime minister and be the one calling the shots. I have no doubt that there are plenty of people who would not mind Trump staying in power for as long as possible - and they will justify it rather than saying "hey...this isn't right, there's a reason why we added this to the Constitution." It will be "well, we added it because it served a purpose at the time...but we can take it out since we never had as wonderful and glorious a leader as Trump before! After all, we repealed prohibition, we can repeal this amendment too!"
SaveI really appreciate your fact- and experience-based point of view. I am also quite concerned. What has happened in North Carolina can happen in any state now, and indeed at the federal level.
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tincin
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Post by tincin on Dec 22, 2016 13:51:12 GMT
I'm not having nightmares or anxiety, but I am quite concerned for the direction of the country. Anyone who assumes that "it can't happen here" may learn that it very well could happen here. So much that Trump has done has been normalized. So many of his supporters are quite happy to either ignore things that they would have been apoplectic over if Hillary or Obama had done them - but Trump gets a pass. So many people are willing to do mental gymnastics to explain why it's entirely OK for him to do things that are blatantly corrupt or bad for the nation's security. Once you normalize things like mocking disabled people (even if it's just a 'standard retard' impression), bragging about sexual assault or calling for violence against anyone who doesn't support the regime 100% (at the rallies), it's not a big jump to the next step. Yes, I know Hitler gets brought up too often in situations that don't apply - but in this case, it absolutely does. Hitler never started with concentration camps. It was the little things - 'those people' are ruining us with their different ways, maybe we shouldn't associate with them. Then 'maybe we shouldn't do business with them' to 'maybe we should make it illegal to do business with them' to 'maybe they should have their own places to live, in certain sections of the city' and then 'maybe we should clean them out of the city and send them someplace else.' The first step didn't sound all that bad, and by the time the second step happened people didn't think that sounded bad either. We are one terrorist attack away from some very bad things happening to people, and sadly there are many who will go along with it because they think that safety is more important than liberty. In this case, we've already gone from 'some media don't like me very much' to 'maybe the press shouldn't have access' to 'you can't trust the press because they lie about me - I (and my approved sources) are the only ones you can trust.' Net neutrality - Trump's team seems likely to end that. What does this mean? It means that your ISP gets to determine the speed of data. Want to read the Trump-approved websites? Those can load right up. Want to read the NYT or WaPo? Well, that's going to take a while to load because your ISP doesn't agree with those stances. Maybe you can switch to a different ISP - but many people don't have an option, as some areas are only served by one ISP. So while we may still have 'freedom of the press' it may look very different - only certain press will have access to the president, and you'll only be able to read about events on certain sites because if it takes 20-30 minutes to download the front page of the NYT, how many people will be willing to wait to read it? Gingrich has already started making statements that we need to rethink the rules about corruption because Trump is such a new and different case. He's just so gosh-darned rich that he couldn't possibly abide by the same laws and regulations that every single president has before him. I read the transcript of an NPR report on Trump's views on Putin. It's kind of long but worth the read. It talks about how Putin dislikes Hillary - not because of what she said about the elections in 2011, but because of his dislike of the Bill Clinton/Yeltsin stuff that took place back when the USSR was collapsing. Putin became president in 2000. The rules limited him to 2 terms, so he became prime minister in 2008. He became president again in 2012. When the rules didn't allow him to be president, he found a way to stay in power - it was agreed that while Medvedyev would be president, Putin would be named prime minister and be the one calling the shots. I have no doubt that there are plenty of people who would not mind Trump staying in power for as long as possible - and they will justify it rather than saying "hey...this isn't right, there's a reason why we added this to the Constitution." It will be "well, we added it because it served a purpose at the time...but we can take it out since we never had as wonderful and glorious a leader as Trump before! After all, we repealed prohibition, we can repeal this amendment too!"
Saveand who was it that organized and paid people to actually cause trouble at Trump rallies? the dems...
much of that has happened by the dems... those the left here supports. This too, is what came from dems... like Emanuel in Chicago - who thought he could ban CFA from there and DeBlasio in NY saying he'd do the same. I've heard a number of holocaust survivors saying they were seeing it all again - happening here. that was long before Trump was a candidate. They weren't talking about conservatives...they were talking about the left and their take over of our schools, government etc.
That's hilarious considering liberals support equal rights for all people. It's the GOP that supports banning Muslims, wants to build a wall, wants to destroy the ACA. You're so funny. Why do you think so many of us are anti-Twitler?
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 22, 2016 14:02:53 GMT
Thanks to everyone for their responses. It's good to know I'm not alone and I'll take the good advice to limit my news exposure. Good night all! I haven't watched the news since election night. My mornings are much more peaceful as a result. I go to BBC online and click on the "world" tab only so I can keep up with Syria and everything else going on overseas. And I go to one of our main local radio stations' website for traffic and weather. But no news at all, except right after an event such as the truck attack in Germany. I knew CNN would be covering that exclusively so I felt it was safe to turn it on to find out what happened. I have a couple of reliable people on Facebook, and my dh, who keep me up to date on Trump's cabinet picks (omg). I think this has been a good strategy for my mental health.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Dec 22, 2016 14:06:44 GMT
I think sometimes people forget that anxiety and nightmares aren't really choices which might color some responses. That's probably a fair point. My initial response was, "No, I'm not and no one else should be either." But not only can I not dictate how other's should respond, I do have to also respect that their response can be involuntary. I am concerned for our country and for the world... but, I have been always. I do worry what a Trump presidency will bring as we are in such uncharted territory. The stabilization that we so desperately need in the world didn't appear to be on the horizon before and is probably even further away now. I would recommend avoiding almost all FB posts about "news" and many of the very opinionated pundits who do nothing but fan the flames. Those "sources" add nothing to my true understanding of what's happening in our country or the world. I also find peace and strength in focusing on my own little world. I choose to interact respectfully and responsibly with people. I try to be kind and thoughtful. I build others up when I can. I keep my home peaceful and welcoming. I embrace a sense of humor and try to find the joy in the everyday. All of that provides some balance for me against the outside world which can seem very out of control at times.
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Post by katybee on Dec 22, 2016 14:19:06 GMT
What scares me the most – with a president, Congress, and eventually Supreme Court all controlled by republicans – is that they will do everything they can to make sure that they stay in power forever. No – I'm not talking about trump becoming a dictator. But I am talking about passing more laws that suppress voter turn out, do more gerrymandering, do away with more campaign finance restrictions, etc.
Is it too much to ask that we just have open, fair, and free elections? Do we have to play games? The gerrymandering in my state is absolutely ridiculous, and I cannot believe that it is legal. But it almost guarantees that Democratic candidates will never have a shot at statewide office. Even though there are enough supporters in districts that make complete sense both geographically and community-wise, , the Republicans in my state – and no I am not making a generalization, just stating a fact – have split those districts up into ridiculous little slivers and shapes in order to split the more progressive vote.
I promise you that they will pass more laws in the name of "voter fraud" that are really just to suppress the votes of people who tend to vote Democratic. Again – I know that so many people will think "But… But… But… All those dead people voting! ". There have been many Republicans over the past several years that have fully admitted it's to suppress the vote of poor and minority people. Then there is that pesky little problem of there being absolutely no evidence whatsoever of widespread voter fraud. Not even up in Wisconsin, to the dismay of many Hillary voters.
What is happening in North Carolina also scares the crap out of me. When did it become OK to strip people of power just because they are not the people you wanted to win? How is that OK?! That should scare every, single one of us! And if it doesn't scare you – just because you are a Republican – it should.
I want desperately to believe in checks and balances – but there are no checks and balances right now. Who is going to check him? The Republican House? The Republican Senate? The Supreme Court, which is currently deadlocked but will very soon be right-leaning? Who is going to check them?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 22, 2016 14:27:29 GMT
I'm not having nightmares or anxiety, but I am quite concerned for the direction of the country. Anyone who assumes that "it can't happen here" may learn that it very well could happen here. So much that Trump has done has been normalized. So many of his supporters are quite happy to either ignore things that they would have been apoplectic over if Hillary or Obama had done them - but Trump gets a pass. So many people are willing to do mental gymnastics to explain why it's entirely OK for him to do things that are blatantly corrupt or bad for the nation's security. Once you normalize things like mocking disabled people (even if it's just a 'standard retard' impression), bragging about sexual assault or calling for violence against anyone who doesn't support the regime 100% (at the rallies), it's not a big jump to the next step. Yes, I know Hitler gets brought up too often in situations that don't apply - but in this case, it absolutely does. Hitler never started with concentration camps. It was the little things - 'those people' are ruining us with their different ways, maybe we shouldn't associate with them. Then 'maybe we shouldn't do business with them' to 'maybe we should make it illegal to do business with them' to 'maybe they should have their own places to live, in certain sections of the city' and then 'maybe we should clean them out of the city and send them someplace else.' The first step didn't sound all that bad, and by the time the second step happened people didn't think that sounded bad either. We are one terrorist attack away from some very bad things happening to people, and sadly there are many who will go along with it because they think that safety is more important than liberty. In this case, we've already gone from 'some media don't like me very much' to 'maybe the press shouldn't have access' to 'you can't trust the press because they lie about me - I (and my approved sources) are the only ones you can trust.' Net neutrality - Trump's team seems likely to end that. What does this mean? It means that your ISP gets to determine the speed of data. Want to read the Trump-approved websites? Those can load right up. Want to read the NYT or WaPo? Well, that's going to take a while to load because your ISP doesn't agree with those stances. Maybe you can switch to a different ISP - but many people don't have an option, as some areas are only served by one ISP. So while we may still have 'freedom of the press' it may look very different - only certain press will have access to the president, and you'll only be able to read about events on certain sites because if it takes 20-30 minutes to download the front page of the NYT, how many people will be willing to wait to read it? Gingrich has already started making statements that we need to rethink the rules about corruption because Trump is such a new and different case. He's just so gosh-darned rich that he couldn't possibly abide by the same laws and regulations that every single president has before him. I read the transcript of an NPR report on Trump's views on Putin. It's kind of long but worth the read. It talks about how Putin dislikes Hillary - not because of what she said about the elections in 2011, but because of his dislike of the Bill Clinton/Yeltsin stuff that took place back when the USSR was collapsing. Putin became president in 2000. The rules limited him to 2 terms, so he became prime minister in 2008. He became president again in 2012. When the rules didn't allow him to be president, he found a way to stay in power - it was agreed that while Medvedyev would be president, Putin would be named prime minister and be the one calling the shots. I have no doubt that there are plenty of people who would not mind Trump staying in power for as long as possible - and they will justify it rather than saying "hey...this isn't right, there's a reason why we added this to the Constitution." It will be "well, we added it because it served a purpose at the time...but we can take it out since we never had as wonderful and glorious a leader as Trump before! After all, we repealed prohibition, we can repeal this amendment too!"
SaveI really appreciate your fact- and experience-based point of view. I am also quite concerned. What has happened in North Carolina can happen in any state now, and indeed at the federal level. pyccku is brilliant!
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Post by pyccku on Dec 22, 2016 14:37:52 GMT
^^^^ right here is where this is all going to go off the rails now. There's a reason why I have certain people on block. They never have anything constructive to add to the conversation. Just more of the same old, same old. No matter what, there will be people who are entirely willing to overlook anything that "their" guy does. Just because it's their guy. It's hard to admit that someone you stood behind and made part of your identity would do a bad thing - so there will always be a reason why it's ok just this time and for just this guy. I hate when the whole "but Hillary....!" argument is used to excuse Trump's behavior, but in this case it can be used to show the hypocrisy of the situation. If Hillary were putting people in charge of the FCC who were trying to take away net neutrality, it would be seen as "she's going after your freedom! She's going to outlaw Fox news and Breitbart and Alex Jones!" But if it's Trump's people, it's cool because why should anyone's ISP be forced to carry something they might find offensive or disagreeable? Really, it's the best way to keep America safe. If Hillary were setting up business deals with other nations that looked even the slightest bit shady, we would hear all about pay to play and corruption. But Trump? He's a businessman! He's just so darn rich that you can't expect him to abide by the laws of mere mortals. What did you expect, you can's ask him to stop making money just because he's also the President! If Hillary were getting cozy with an autocratic leader in a country that has been an enemy/major rival for 50+ years, we would hear that she is a traitorous bitch who needs to be tried for treason and hanged. Immediately! But Trump? Now, he's just trying to be friendly. Just because we've always been at odds with Russia doesn't mean we have to stay at odds with Russia! After all, they aren't communist anymore - so we can totally be friends! Yeah, maybe Putin has had a few people who disagreed with him murdered along the way, and maybe he's got some really corrupt business dealings - but you can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs. There are some journalists here who maybe should be made an example of. You really shouldn't talk that way about the President, he deserves respect and deference - amirite?
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Post by friendly on Dec 22, 2016 17:21:05 GMT
Thank you pyccku for explaining the situation so clearly. You're a very smart person.
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Post by jayfab on Dec 22, 2016 17:46:28 GMT
^^^^ right here is where this is all going to go off the rails now. There's a reason why I have certain people on block. They never have anything constructive to add to the conversation. Just more of the same old, same old. No matter what, there will be people who are entirely willing to overlook anything that "their" guy does. Just because it's their guy. It's hard to admit that someone you stood behind and made part of your identity would do a bad thing - so there will always be a reason why it's ok just this time and for just this guy. I hate when the whole "but Hillary....!" argument is used to excuse Trump's behavior, but in this case it can be used to show the hypocrisy of the situation. If Hillary were putting people in charge of the FCC who were trying to take away net neutrality, it would be seen as "she's going after your freedom! She's going to outlaw Fox news and Breitbart and Alex Jones!" But if it's Trump's people, it's cool because why should anyone's ISP be forced to carry something they might find offensive or disagreeable? Really, it's the best way to keep America safe. If Hillary were setting up business deals with other nations that looked even the slightest bit shady, we would hear all about pay to play and corruption. But Trump? He's a businessman! He's just so darn rich that you can't expect him to abide by the laws of mere mortals. What did you expect, you can's ask him to stop making money just because he's also the President! If Hillary were getting cozy with an autocratic leader in a country that has been an enemy/major rival for 50+ years, we would hear that she is a traitorous bitch who needs to be tried for treason and hanged. Immediately! But Trump? Now, he's just trying to be friendly. Just because we've always been at odds with Russia doesn't mean we have to stay at odds with Russia! After all, they aren't communist anymore - so we can totally be friends! Yeah, maybe Putin has had a few people who disagreed with him murdered along the way, and maybe he's got some really corrupt business dealings - but you can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs. There are some journalists here who maybe should be made an example of. You really shouldn't talk that way about the President, he deserves respect and deference - amirite? Well said ... Thank you pyccku I really appreciate your posts. And after thinking about my anxiety I think maybe I'm most anxious about the new lack of checks and balances. He's getting all sorts of slack because he is a "business man" and is not being held to normal standards. Stifling/delegitimizing the press leads to dictatorship. In previous administrations I might not have been happy with the results, I knew we'd generally be ok, but I'm almost terrified with the results this time. Proof is North Carolina. SaveSave
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Post by pyccku on Dec 22, 2016 17:46:45 GMT
Ah, shucks. I'm sorry that it probably didn't make you feel any more relaxed or better about it though! I like to get news from a wide variety of places. I've been teaching newspaper class this year and one thing I've gone over with the kids is how to find bias, and how to recognize when news is fake or being twisted to support a certain agenda. Most importantly, I want them to think critically when they read something. If anything sounds too outlandish or evokes a strong emotion, the first questions should always be Who benefits from this and Why do they want me to feel this way? A good source for news to give you a balanced view is www.allsides.com/ - they have the same story from multiple sources, all rated on a 5-point scale. You can see their rankings, but also if you disagree you can rate it yourself - from far-right - right - center - left -far left. They include all sorts of sources, even Breitbart and Huffington types - so they may be skewed, but you'll know how and why they are skewed. I don't care what your political leanings, things like NC are very disconcerting. Right now you may agree with them because it's your team. But what happens when the other side gets power? Will you be as quick to support the same actions?
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 22, 2016 17:49:43 GMT
I share your concerns. I think they're valid. It's a fine line between legitimate concerns and obsessing, though. Sometimes that line is very difficult to find, and it's different for everyone.
Try to relax and enjoy the holidays. Leave your tv off.
You can PM me if you need to talk. I was totally there after 911. I understand how you're feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 18:10:17 GMT
For us, it is very personal. My husband took a job last year for a department created under the Obama administration. Now, we are uncertain if the program will continue or be phased out. We also had to decide if we would stay if the elections went the way they did. We actually just made the decision to stay last week because we feel strongly that change can happen from within and there are people who can be greatly helped by the work. But yes, I have had major anxiety, depression and nightmares.
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