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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2017 21:35:18 GMT
of his name. Bartender checked his license and because of his name was refused service. (I don't want to say his name). He is from Saudi Arabia and one of the nicest people I have ever met. He recently received his PhD and working at a major pharmaceutical company. What is going on?
More info: He was with another colleague and both got carded. Server/greeter/hostess person said that they don't serve Muslims. My friend said that he's not Muslim as he wanted a drink. Still refused. Colleague realized something was going on and asked to speak to the manager. Manager said that's not acceptable and would take care of them. Both decided to leave.
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Post by elaine on Jan 29, 2017 21:36:49 GMT
What was the name of the bar?
Please publicize so others can avoid supporting bigoted assholes.
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Post by mom on Jan 29, 2017 21:38:00 GMT
How do you know it was because of his name?
What was said or actions happened that lead you to believe there wasn't another reason?
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 29, 2017 21:38:24 GMT
That is horrible. Please tell your friend not all Americans are like that.
It's as if people don't realize that unless you are a Native American, we are all children of immigrants.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 29, 2017 21:39:07 GMT
If it was based solely on his name then that is one ignorant asshole.  |
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2017 21:45:49 GMT
I guess I am assuming it was his name, as his license is current and after showing them his license they told him they would not serve him, but I guess it could be because his picture was bad? I don't know the name of the bar.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 29, 2017 21:56:33 GMT
Did they refuse to serve him OR refuse to serve him alcohol?
I ask because my niece was a waitress and they are trained not to serve alcohol to anyone whose license is in any way suspect. Especially if the lamination is detaching in any way even just at the corners
As inconvenient as it is I hope it was an ID issue and not a prejudice issue.
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 29, 2017 22:00:44 GMT
I guess I am assuming it was his name, as his license is current and after showing them his license they told him they would not serve him, but I guess it could be because his picture was bad? I don't know the name of the bar. So, you have no idea why he was actually not served, you're assuming why? Did he ask why? Last year a bar in Indianapolis refused to serve my niece. Wouldn't even allow her in the bar! Granted, she was being helped across the street by her friend and was clearly way too drunk, but...they refused to serve her! |
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Post by elaine on Jan 29, 2017 22:02:37 GMT
Without details, it is hard to judge this story.
I think we have enough horrific prejudice/bigotry coming from the White House right now to be disgusted by. It wouldn't surprise me if some people follow the Fuhrer's lead, but it dilutes what is going on to talk about things that are hard to back up.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2017 22:02:43 GMT
Was not drunk.
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Post by compeateropeator on Jan 29, 2017 22:05:55 GMT
Just out of curiosity was it a license or a driver privilege card?
I had to renew my license in my state (it was a few days after my expiration date) and I didn't have the acceptable information to get the federally accepted license with me. Because I needed something that was valid immediately I renewed but was only able to get a "Driver Privilege" card.
THe DMV said it may not be accepted as an federal id to board planes, etc. I wondered if that meant that some places wouldn't accept it to buy alcohol? I was a bit worried. You would think being over 50 you wouldn't be carded that much, but these days there are some places that card everyone. No valid id no service and it doesn't matter if you are 100 (and look it) which is not logical thinking in my mind.
Sorry that happened to your friend no matter the reason but I am really hoping that it wasn't because of his name.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 22:14:30 GMT
I too have some questions -- was it an in-state license? Was it expired? Does he look different than the picture on his ID? They could have thought it was a bogus/fraudulent ID and refused based on that basis. I think it is assuming that they didn't serve JUST based on his name unless they actually stated that. I am s bit surprised he didn't ask what they thought was wrong.
Did they totally refuse to serve him or just refuse to serve him alcohol?
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2017 22:22:09 GMT
Regular license... he got the vibe that they would not serve his kind. I was not there so I do not know what was said, just his story he relayed that he was refused service to buy a beer. He was at a bar to get a beer, so not quite sure what else he wanted.
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Post by elaine on Jan 29, 2017 22:31:20 GMT
Regular license... he got the vibe that they would not serve his kind. I was not there so I do not know what was said, just his story he relayed that he was refused service to buy a beer. He was at a bar to get a beer, so not quite sure what else he wanted. No offense, but I don't know how you would know so many details except what bar this happened at. |
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Post by basketdiva on Jan 29, 2017 22:33:43 GMT
Sounds like you are jumping to conclusions vases on very few facts.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 29, 2017 22:35:16 GMT
Without you actually BEING there, and getting the whole story. I would take this story as herseay. You have NO Idea if he was too drunk, or appeared too drunk. Or any other things going on. It's just spreading rumors online. You and us are only getting one side of the story. And we aren't even getting much.
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 29, 2017 22:35:49 GMT
Did he ask why?
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2017 23:02:31 GMT
Not drunk. I guess if you don't know this person, which "you" meaning the audience here does not know him, you would understand that he was not drunk and would not cause a scene for refusal of service. This is one of the best guys I have ever met in my life, but again, you don't know me either. I guess I jumped the gun and assumed too many things.. He was refused service and I believe that this will happen to too many people who do not deserve this. This is my opinion based on what I heard. He would not have said something, if it didn't happen and impacted him. I guess I should not have shared this and may be trivial. Read on.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 29, 2017 23:03:53 GMT
You DON'T know why he was refused. Get all the facts and then come back here and tell us.
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 29, 2017 23:06:06 GMT
Did he ask why the bartender refused him service?
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Post by hop2 on Jan 29, 2017 23:11:10 GMT
Not drunk. I guess if you don't know this person, which "you" meaning the audience here does not know him, you would understand that he was not drunk and would not cause a scene for refusal of service. This is one of the best guys I have ever met in my life, but again, you don't know me either. I guess I jumped the gun and assumed too many things.. He was refused service and I believe that this will happen to too many people who do not deserve this. This is my opinion based on what I heard. He would not have said something, if it didn't happen and impacted him. I guess I should not have shared this and may be trivial. Read on. It's not trivial, just that if he did not ask & they did not say why, then w are all assuming - including him. And we can't afford to assume things anymore if we don't know the facts. A luxury we can no longer afford For whatever the reason I'm sorry it happened to him. And for what it's worth when you are refused service for a supposedly a valid reason the server is supposed to say why. So the bar is at least wrong there. |
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2017 23:34:12 GMT
He said in a text, he was refused a beer at a pub for a name on a license. What is this world coming to. That's all I know. But like I said. You do not know this guy but he is amazing. I hope it isn't true, but I believe we will see more of this kind of behavior.
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Post by Really Red on Jan 29, 2017 23:53:52 GMT
I'd really like to know more about this.
The first thing I'd like to know is if he asked why? I cannot imagine not asking that question if I were not drinking/drunk and felt I was just a normal person asking for a drink.
It is only at that point that I'd move on with conclusions. I understand that your friend must be hypersensitive about his ethnicity and I get that 100%, but I'd still need further proof as to what exactly happened before jumping to conclusions.
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 29, 2017 23:53:57 GMT
He said in a text, he was refused a beer at a pub for a name on a license. What is this world coming to. That's all I know. But like I said. You do not know this guy but he is amazing. I hope it isn't true, but I believe we will see more of this kind of behavior. What did your friend do when he was told he was refused due to his name? Did he ask to speak to a manager? Did he just leave? There's so little of this story. Because I live in Indianapolis, I want to know more. |
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2017 0:07:42 GMT
I'm sorry, I didn't ask any more questions. If he wrote it I believed what he said. I didn't know my friend was from Saudi Arabia, by looking at him, when I first met him. He looks Caucasian with olive skin tones, speaks clear English, is a high professional in a biotech company. I don't know more of the story, sorry. I thought this was a topic to discuss, but maybe I have too little details.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jan 30, 2017 0:20:24 GMT
I think your OP came from the reaction of the moment.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 30, 2017 1:18:32 GMT
I have no idea what happened with your friend. I work in an industry that serves alcohol and we are tightly regulated. We also have every inch of our guest areas covered by surveillance. I can attest that even the nicest, kindest people will embellish to make themselves look like the victim when refused service for a legitimate reason. Unless you were there you really can't be sure he was not denied for a reason other than his name. Not saying that wasn't the reason, but i'm guessing there is more to this story.
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 30, 2017 1:34:55 GMT
I have no idea what happened with your friend. I work in an industry that serves alcohol and we are tightly regulated. We also have every inch of our guest areas covered by surveillance. I can attest that even the nicest, kindest people will embellish to make themselves look like the victim when refused service for a legitimate reason. Unless you were there you really can't be sure he was not denied for a reason other than his name. Not saying that wasn't the reason, but i'm guessing there is more to this story. That's the issue. Several of us on this thread want to discuss it, as the OP said, but there is more to the story than denied for his name. Without any additional info, we can't discuss it because you have no answers to our questions. Did the bartender say it was due to his name, due to the license, or said he wouldn't serve him after looking at his license? What did the friend say? Did he ask for a manager? Was the friend asked to leave ~ did he or did he stay? As I said before, I live in Indianapolis. I WANT to discuss it. I want to know what bar. But without anything more than "due to a name on a license", there really isn't a discussion. Yep, if that's the full story, it freaking sucks. But I have a hard time believing that the bartender said "I won't serve you because of your name", your friend said nothing, left, and that's the end of it. |
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Post by annabella on Jan 30, 2017 2:27:25 GMT
Doesn't sound like you know much about the story not being there first hand to share with us.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2017 2:49:43 GMT
Correct annabella...Should I delete post? Not sure because I believe the implication is true. But what if it is true? This is crazy to have happened.
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