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Post by cycworker on Mar 1, 2017 5:24:59 GMT
It was a fantastic speech. Not surprised at the snipes, but more and more, I find myself just smiling at the Trump haters thinking "you go right on with your big bad selves". In the meantime,this President is keeping the campaign promises he made to the people who voted for him. And I for one Am thrilled. Thrilled. At last we might get some sanity back in this country. And other than forcing employers to pay for maternity leave, I agreed with everything he said and frankly can't understand how any rational person who loves their country could disagree with what he said. Go President Trump - You know I'm no Trump fan, and I am going to concede that I think it was a very solid speech, The stuck to the script, his ideas were laid out in a coherent way and there was nothing overtly offensive in it. He was Presidential - which is his job. To call it fantastic is a bit of hyperbole. If it was fantastic, it was only so in comparison to the crap he's delivered at his rallies & his press conferences, where he rants & goes all over the map. The problem isn't his promise at face value, it's the subtext. I'm speaking specifically to the issue of the underlying racism, sexism & homophobia in some of these proposed policies. ICE has NOT been only deporting people who have criminal records. They've been going after people who should be given a path to legal citizenship. And the other problem I have with it is that I don't know that I believe he can do some of the things he's talking about, specifically in the area of job creation. He's also exaggerating what he's accomplished in terms of these companies that are now 'staying' in the US. They were already staying, and he's taking credit for it. Now that said - as much as I don't like Trump, he isn't the first politician to take credit for something that really wasn't his doing, and he won't be the last. |
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 1, 2017 5:28:06 GMT
I found a transcript of the speech and started reading it. I started making notes. Then I quit reading it. There were sooo many lies and twisting of the facts I just got disgusted. For example. " A new national pride is sweeping across the country". Really? What are all those protests about? And all the unhappy folks at Republican Town Hall meetings. Not only protests in this country but around the world. He talks about drugs pouring across the borders but from what I hear the real problem are prescription opioids. He talks about fixing the inner cities. But where is he going to get the money from if he is cutting taxes and building up the military. He talks about fixing the infrastructure. Nice idea. But unless they change it, it's going to be private businesses "investing" in various projects and getting tax credits in return. The key word here is investing. Whenever someone "invests" in something they want a return on their investment. What kind of return can one get on an investment in dams or roads or new water pipes in places like Flint, Michigan? Oroville Dam in CA is going to need work. You get a private company to "invest" in the dam to make the repairs. What is their return on that investment? Also are the places that really need the infrastructure work going to get it under this plan? And then there is his 94M of folks not in the workforce. That's is true but that includes retired people, disabled people, students, stay at home moms or dads. In other words the vast majority are those who chose not to be or can't be in the work force. He talks about all those jobs roaring back. There is no guarantee, if those jobs come back, that will be well paying jobs or that they will go to areas that need them. They could all come to CA and skip the rust belt states all together. In reality the only thing that benefits from a higher stock market is my 401(k). A higher stock market doesn't necessarily mean it will create jobs. Businesses have and will continue to use their profits to invest in technology. One of the biggest job killer is technology. As far as the ACA goes . he is now starting to use Paul Ryan's talking points. Specifically the word "access". That is the one word that should concern people. As a number have folks have already said. Just because one has access to something doesn't mean they can afford it or even pay for it. And that is when I quit reading. I get that some are somewhat impressed that he was able to give a coherent speech without going off on a rant about the media or whatever. But as everything in life the devil is in the details. I'm not even going to go any further than this because one person's reality is another person's denial. My FB has been full of people saying they have renewed pride and patriotism. I don't deny those that don't agree with him and are protesting but the reality is that there are just as many people on the other side and to deny or ignore that is short sighted one person's reality is another person's denial? Sweeping? Really? What do these posts of renewed patriotism and pride say? I've seen lots of pro trump memes and sayinfs, I've seen people thinking what trump is doing is great. I haven't seen more patriotism and pride. |
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Post by miominmio on Mar 1, 2017 5:44:49 GMT
~Lauren~ - You know I'm no Trump fan, and I am going to concede that I think it was a very solid speech, The stuck to the script, his ideas were laid out in a coherent way and there was nothing overtly offensive in it. He was Presidential - which is his job. To call it fantastic is a bit of hyperbole. If it was fantastic, it was only so in comparison to the crap he's delivered at his rallies & his press conferences, where he rants & goes all over the map. The problem isn't his promise at face value, it's the subtext. I'm speaking specifically to the issue of the underlying racism, sexism & homophobia in some of these proposed policies. ICE has NOT been only deporting people who have criminal records. They've been going after people who should be given a path to legal citizenship. And the other problem I have with it is that I don't know that I believe he can do some of the things he's talking about, specifically in the area of job creation. He's also exaggerating what he's accomplished in terms of these companies that are now 'staying' in the US. They were already staying, and he's taking credit for it. Now that said - as much as I don't like Trump, he isn't the first politician to take credit for something that really wasn't his doing, and he won't be the last. How many of these illegals can we send up to you in Canada? Don't worry, hopefully most won't have any criminal record or other illegal activities. We have 12 million. Can we send you half of them? Perhaps you can help them on the path to legal citizenship "in Canada". Frankly, I find it off-putting when someone in another country deigns to decide that people illegally in the US "should" have a path to citizenship in the US. Why? Because you have no dog in the fight; it costs you nothing financially, structurally, economically, with respect to jobs, with respect to crime, etc, etc. when illegals settle in the US. When we ship them up to you in Canada, then you get to have a voice about whether or not they should get citizenship. I live in a country which prides itself on it's toughness on immigrants, so I'm not in a position to critisise (we just expelled a family of three generations, grandkids all born here, because the grandparents lied thirty years ago when they first came here), but really, Lauren? Are you completely unable to have a civil discourse with anyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 5:45:33 GMT
And then there's this statement "America must put its own citizens first."
What does that even mean?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 6:31:27 GMT
And then there's this statement "America must put its own citizens first." What does that even mean? I don't like you, but I know you're not stupid. So don't pretend you are. You know very well what it means and even if you didn't, the words speak for themselves. Figure it out. Here's a bit of help: we support our own before we support others , including foreign countries and illegal immigrants we make sure that trade deals don't leave us on the negative end all the time we make sure our own interests are protected rather than worrying about others not liking us for doing so; meanwhile they protect their interests. I'm sure you can take it from there. You don't like me! I'll take that as a compliment. Actually I didn't know or I wouldn't have asked the question. I had thought of what you listed above and even typed it out. Then I erased it. The reason I did was because I started wondering if the reasons listed above would actually hurt American citizens in the long run. Something to ponder but not tonight. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 6:54:52 GMT
I watched the speech on ABC. I don't have cable. I didn't think it was a bad speech. The speechwriter did a nice job on it. Trump didn't go off script too much. The debate not panning on the Dem's side. ABC did pan on both sides. Some Dem's did stand up and some Republican's chose to set down. Rubio & Cruz were side eyeing and glaring so hard I thought their eyes would pop out.  My favorite part of the debate was the fashion. Did anybody else notice that Ryan and Pence had the same suits on? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 7:15:27 GMT
From the speech....
"I just spoke to General Mattis, who reconfirmed that, and I quote, "Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies." Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. For as the Bible teaches us, there is no greater act of love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. Ryan laid down his life for his friends, for his country, and for our freedom --- we will never forget him."
Ryan didn't shirk his duty to protect this country.
But today his Commandar-in-Chief shirked his responsibility as commander and blamed the generals for his death.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Mar 1, 2017 9:02:31 GMT
From the speech.... "I just spoke to General Mattis, who reconfirmed that, and I quote, "Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies." Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. For as the Bible teaches us, there is no greater act of love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. Ryan laid down his life for his friends, for his country, and for our freedom --- we will never forget him." Ryan didn't shirk his duty to protect this country. But today his Commandar-in-Chief shirked his responsibility as commander and blamed the generals for his death. Please help a pea out: We watched a couple of snippets from the USA and UK news early this morning but not the whole speech. I am in an area with iffy wifi at the moment- I can pea, sort of, but most sites are weird. Q: was the disavowal of responsibility/ General blaming by you know who in the same / main speech (Joint session) as the remarks you quote above or in a separate interview, presser, whatever? |
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Mar 1, 2017 10:36:47 GMT
It's pathetic that Trump is getting such positive reviews from some merely because he was able to speak in complete sentences and not sound like a hyperactive teenager dissing his haters.
His content was still mostly divisive and lacking in details, but, yeah, kudos to Trump for finally figuring out how to keep up with a teleprompter.
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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2017 10:50:21 GMT
It's pathetic that Trump is getting such positive reviews from some merely because he was able to speak in complete sentences and not sound like a hyperactive teenager dissing his haters. His content was still mostly divisive and lacking in details, but, yeah, kudos to Trump for finally figuring out how to keep up with a teleprompter. My thoughts too. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 1, 2017 11:21:46 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 1, 2017 11:41:47 GMT
His speech doesn't negate the facts that he is still creating division, that he's still the biggest liar there ever was, and that he is working to enrich his family & friends.
It's just great that some can gleefully be thrilled that this man and his GOP conservatives can lie, bully and create so much discord --and you all wonder why you're lumped into being disliked.
Not to mention the worldly outward discord he's created that wasn't there.
He's still a bad joke, still destroying our country and just doesn't give two shits about anything humanitarian.
Oh and he lies.
The same bullshit the conservatives got their panties in a wad about in the Democratic side has been running blatantly rampant and worse now on the republican side. Protecting their own and demeaning anyone who does not fall into their lies. Republicans are big liars.
His/their goals are to white wash America.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 12:16:18 GMT
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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2017 12:35:52 GMT
 That's funny...and before anyone says it...no, not clever, not polite, not respectful...but amusing  |
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 1, 2017 12:47:04 GMT
From the speech.... "I just spoke to General Mattis, who reconfirmed that, and I quote, "Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies." Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. For as the Bible teaches us, there is no greater act of love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. Ryan laid down his life for his friends, for his country, and for our freedom --- we will never forget him." Ryan didn't shirk his duty to protect this country. But today his Commandar-in-Chief shirked his responsibility as commander and blamed the generals for his death. Please help a pea out: We watched a couple of snippets from the USA and UK news early this morning but not the whole speech. I am in an area with iffy wifi at the moment- I can pea, sort of, but most sites are weird. Q: was the disavowal of responsibility/ General blaming by you know who in the same / main speech (Joint session) as the remarks you quote above or in a separate interview, presser, whatever? It was during an interview on tv, Fox News earlier in the morning. www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/28/trump-passes-blame-for-yemen-raid-to-his-generals-they-lost-ryan/In an interview with Fox News that aired Tuesday morning, Trump said the mission “was started before I got here.” He noted that the operation was something his generals “were looking at for a long time doing.” “This was something that was, you know, just — they wanted to do,” Trump said. “ And they came to see me and they explained what they wanted to do, the generals, who are very respected.” “And they lost Ryan,” Trump continued. |
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Post by imsirius on Mar 1, 2017 12:49:12 GMT
He actually sounded sane tonight. Someone must have rehearsed. (or they drugged him up!  ) Lauren, please keep your snarky, asshole comments about Canada to yourself. It works both ways. You are such a piece of work. Been away for weeks and come back full force with the shitty comments to people. It was so peaceful for those two weeks. |
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Post by gulfcoastgirl on Mar 1, 2017 12:52:05 GMT
It was a fantastic speech. Not surprised at the snipes, but more and more, I find myself just smiling at the Trump haters thinking "you go right on with your big bad selves". In the meantime,this President is keeping the campaign promises he made to the people who voted for him. And I for one Am thrilled. Thrilled. At last we might get some sanity back in this country. And other than forcing employers to pay for maternity leave, I agreed with everything he said and frankly can't understand how any rational person who loves their country could disagree with what he said. Go President Trump I can't understand how a rational person could swallow his bullshit to begin with. Sanity? From this man? That's a delusion. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 13:05:10 GMT
That's funny...and before anyone says it...no, not clever, not polite, not respectful...but amusing I agree, but was I wrong in laughing hysterically at the last paragraph of the grandson in the bath |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Mar 1, 2017 13:18:58 GMT
Thank you, used2scrap . I appreciate you taking the time. |
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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2017 13:32:24 GMT
That's funny...and before anyone says it...no, not clever, not polite, not respectful...but amusing I agree, but was I wrong in laughing hysterically at the last paragraph of the grandson in the bath Nope |
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Post by Judy26 on Mar 1, 2017 14:16:57 GMT
I dislike Trump immensely. That being said, if he can come to understand that giving a speech without his usual condescending, off the cuff comments will result in a more favorable acceptance from both sides then I am happy with the outcome of this speech. Yes, the bar is set low. As a teacher we always looked for growth from a starting point. Hopefully that bar was raised a bit last night.
I do not like most of the ideas Trump has for our country. My wish is that we remain safe and do not get into any wars due to Trump's divisive discourse and hyperbole. If he garners some positive press from his speech perhaps he will tone down the more corrosive side of his personality. Laws can be changed. Sons and daughters killed in action can not be brought back.
I do think we as a country are more patriotic and involved right now due to Trump's election. More citizens are voicing their opinions through protests, contacting representatives and using media to become informed. Even if this is done because of a deep seated dislike for Trump and his ideology it is still patriotism and will keep discourse alive. Hopefully interest will stay alive through the next few election cycles.
And lastly, we need to model the type of behavior that we expect from our politicians. Honest dialogue must include listening to and respecting opposing viewpoints. Telling someone here that you don't like them before debating their ideas shuts down the conversation before it even begins. If your goal is to win at verbal fisticuffs by being rude and derisive you get on with your bad self. But you are doing yourself no favors if your goal is to explain why you believe the way you do. We can't bring the country together if we continue to berate and mock those who think differently than we do.
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Post by Monica* on Mar 1, 2017 14:22:29 GMT
No I know it was about the applause. But it was a cheap thing to say IMO. "Ryan is looking down right now and he's very happy because I think he just broke a record," Trump joked, prompting another wave of adulation for the Gold Star wife. How the fuck would Trump know how Ryan Owens is feeling at this point in time if he was indeed looking down upon his grieving wife? What a presumptuous asshole. linkThis is the point where I turned off the tv in disgust. "Ryan is looking down right now . . . " Trump, not buying your "sincerity". Either you are knowingly exploiting this death, or you think you are God. But I am not buying that he cares about this life. Only his image. |
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Post by beebee on Mar 1, 2017 14:27:55 GMT
I dislike Trump immensely. That being said, if he can come to understand that giving a speech without his usual condescending, off the cuff comments will result in a more favorable acceptance from both sides then I am happy with the outcome of this speech. Yes, the bar is set low. As a teacher we always looked for growth from a starting point. Hopefully that bar was raised a bit last night. I do not like most of the ideas Trump has for our country. My wish is that we remain safe and do not get into any wars due to Trump's divisive discourse and hyperbole. If he garners some positive press from his speech perhaps he will tone down the more corrosive side of his personality. Laws can be changed. Sons and daughters killed in action can not be brought back. I do think we as a country are more patriotic and involved right now due to Trump's election. More citizens are voicing their opinions through protests, contacting representatives and using media to become informed. Even if this is done because of a deep seated dislike for Trump and his ideology it is still patriotism and will keep discourse alive. Hopefully interest will stay alive through the next few election cycles. And lastly, we need to model the type of behavior that we expect from our politicians. Honest dialogue must include listening to and respecting opposing viewpoints. Telling someone here that you don't like them before debating their ideas shuts down the conversation before it even begins. If your goal is to win at verbal fisticuffs by being rude and derisive you get on with your bad self. But you are doing yourself no favors if your goal is to explain why you believe the way you do. We can't bring the country together if we continue to berate and mock those who think differently than we do. While I suspect I am on the opposite side of you politically, I have to say this is a great post!!! |
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Post by hollymolly on Mar 1, 2017 15:05:40 GMT
And lastly, we need to model the type of behavior that we expect from our politicians. Honest dialogue must include listening to and respecting opposing viewpoints. Telling someone here that you don't like them before debating their ideas shuts down the conversation before it even begins. If your goal is to win at verbal fisticuffs by being rude and derisive you get on with your bad self. But you are doing yourself no favors if your goal is to explain why you believe the way you do. We can't bring the country together if we continue to berate and mock those who think differently than we do. This applies to both sides. As an anti-Trumper myself, I cringe when I see anti-Trumpers name-calling, berating, and mocking anyone who supports Trump. There is hyperbole on both sides, and regardless of my thinking that there is much more on the Trump side, I don't like to see it on my side either. I think it weakens our ability to reasonably put forth our views as well. I abhor the argument that "they do it to us so they deserve for us to do it to them." I didn't quote the whole post, but all of it was great. Well said, Judy26. Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 15:28:08 GMT
It was a fantastic speech. Not surprised at the snipes, but more and more, I find myself just smiling at the Trump haters thinking "you go right on with your big bad selves". In the meantime,this President is keeping the campaign promises he made to the people who voted for him. And I for one Am thrilled. Thrilled. At last we might get some sanity back in this country. And other than forcing employers to pay for maternity leave, I agreed with everything he said and frankly can't understand how any rational person who loves their country could disagree with what he said. Go President Trump I can't understand how a rational person could swallow his bullshit to begin with. Sanity? From this man? That's a delusion. She's a lawyer. It's her job to defend the indefensible. She doesn't care if they're right or wrong, moral or immoral, cheats, liars or criminals.. She'll defend them no matter what. It's what she does. And arguing is her favorite pastime. She knows he's an asshole, but she'll argue til the cows come home that he's not rather than admit it. |
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Post by PLurker on Mar 1, 2017 15:34:00 GMT
"Ryan is looking down right now and he's very happy because I think he just broke a record," Trump joked, prompting another wave of adulation for the Gold Star wife. How the fuck would Trump know how Ryan Owens is feeling at this point in time if he was indeed looking down upon his grieving wife? What a presumptuous asshole. linkThis is the point where I turned off the tv in disgust. "Ryan is looking down right now . . . " Trump, not buying your "sincerity". Either you are knowingly exploiting this death, or you think you are God. But I am not buying that he cares about this life. Only his image. This,too, is the area of the speech that stuck out to me. The rest of the time I was just somewhat amazed that he kept on target, regardless of the content. At this point (speaking of Ryan "looking down right now") I thought, " no, no, this isn't your story to tell, you don't get to assume to know what someone you didn't know would think. Especially since he died under your watch." |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 15:46:12 GMT
Was it ok that Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Keith Ellison remained seated while everyone else honored Ryan Owens? Because I thought it was disgraceful. Don't stand nor applaud the President if you do not agree with his talking points. But when our fallen soldiers are honored, get your ass out of your seat.
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Post by lucillebluth on Mar 1, 2017 16:14:48 GMT
Was it ok that Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Keith Ellison remained seated while everyone else honored Ryan Owens? Because I thought it was disgraceful. Don't stand nor applaud the President if you do not agree with his talking points. But when our fallen soldiers are honored, get your ass out of your seat. What I read on Twitter (can't find a complete video of this) is that they stood when Trump first introduced Carynn (sp?) Owens. Then everyone sat down and Trump went on to say that Gen. Mattis called the mission a success (or words to that effect). That line arguably is Trump "talking points," since there is apparently quite a bit of disagreement about how successful the mission was. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 16:36:56 GMT
From what I am seeing, there was a 2 minute SO. They clapped breifly at the beginning and then sat. Along with Pelosi.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 16:44:58 GMT
She's a lawyer. It's her job to defend the indefensible. She doesn't care if they're right or wrong, moral or immoral, cheats, liars or criminals.. She'll defend them no matter what. It's what she does. And arguing is her favorite pastime. She knows he's an asshole, but she'll argue til the cows come home that he's not rather than admit it.This,too, is the area of the speech that stuck out to me. The rest of the time I was just somewhat amazed that he kept on target, regardless of the content. At this point (speaking of Ryan "looking down right now") I thought, " no, no, this isn't your story to tell, you don't get to assume to know what someone you didn't know would think. Especially since he died under your watch." I'll just leave it here. |
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My favorite part of the debate was the fashion. Did anybody else notice that Ryan and Pence had the same suits on? 
That's funny...and before anyone says it...no, not clever, not polite, not respectful...but amusing 
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