Elsabelle
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Post by Elsabelle on Mar 19, 2017 15:59:13 GMT
I was wondering how often other scrappers follow design principles in their scrapping. I tried the visual triangle with repeating shapes recently and I liked it but the "rules" part of my personality is trying to make me do it on every layout now. I do like the rule of thirds and was doing that before I even knew there was a name for it. I like things centered sometimes too. Here is a list of design principle articles from Get It Scrapped. There's one about breaking the rules which I'll have to consider when my law abiding hands want to find a third heart or star. So do you follow the rules? Do you find yourself following a rule without actually being aware of it? Do you not even consider them?
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Post by lilacgal on Mar 19, 2017 16:01:08 GMT
I don't consider them rules...more like guidelines or suggestions. I do tend to follow them for the most part since that's what I like. If it's not working for me, they get thrown out the window. My page! My rules! 😊
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Post by PepsiGal on Mar 19, 2017 16:20:18 GMT
When I started scrapbooking - 'they' kept saying scrapbooking has no rules so that's it for me. I scrap according to PepsiGal
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basketdiva
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Post by basketdiva on Mar 19, 2017 16:29:13 GMT
I don't consider them rules...more like guidelines or suggestions. I do tend to follow them for the most part since that's what I like. If it's not working for me, they get thrown out the window. My page! My rules! 😊 This is the way I scrap.
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 19, 2017 16:33:01 GMT
Not consciously but if you were to look through my books you would see a lot of the rule of thirds. I do sometimes do the visual triangle but not all the time.
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Post by anniefb on Mar 19, 2017 17:13:30 GMT
Not all the time and not consciously. I probably use them more in card making if I'm honest.
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Post by grammadee on Mar 19, 2017 17:36:51 GMT
My first response was: "There are RULES???"
I guess I do try to "ground" things somehow, group title/journaling/photo block somehow: not a big fan of floating elements, but following rules is not really part of my scrappy experience. In a comment awhile ago, someone complimented my "visual triangle" of embellishments, and I thought, "I DID that???"
I try to use page design and colour and elements to create some sort of mood or effect that fits my story, like a flow of motion across a two page spread, or soft colours and textures to enhance peacefulness, or...
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 19, 2017 18:32:31 GMT
This is a great question and my answer may seem harsh but it is only for the sake of dscussion. I looked at the article but not all the fine points just yet. I do think about design principles. And I tend to be a very linear/boxy scrapbooker. I don't often tilt a photo or leave much white space. I tend to have lots to look at on my pages.
I have some scrappy pet peeves related to design. I do not like when I see pages (usually newer scrappers or those with no sense about what looks good) where they put everything right up against the edge of the paper and have elements spread far apart - like a photo in each of the 4 corners and nothing to draw them in cohesively.
I also scrap with someone who is a TV worthy hoarder of everything, and she makes pages out of all the negative space of die cuts. Instead of incorporating the negative space into a design she just puts it on the page as is. This scrapper buys tons of kits and puts them together, so she knows what is eye pleasing, but she cannot for the life of her translate that to her own pages.
Color is another design element that I pay close attention to. I have said many times I am a theme scrapper, and while I am going to try hard to find theme elements for my photos without caring if they color coordinate, I am not going to pick a random color that is not in the paper or the photos. The scrapper above showed me a layout yesterday - it was the negative space of 'Winter Wonderland' in navy blue, and she glued it down onto Christmas green cardstock. Unless my photos had a kid in a green and blue snowsuit I would not put those colors together for a 'Winter Wonderland' layout. She is single and constantly complains her family won't give her photos to scrap but they hate seeing what she does with them when they do.
I think some people have no concept of what looks pleasing, except to them. I don't think you can teach it unless this type of scrapper sticks to kits and sketches. I do think there are rules/guidelines to make pleasing pages. Some people are 'artistic' and can make the unusual into something very interesting design wise. Other people go with the no rules/my pages concept and make cringeworthy layouts. That's why I redo my cringeworthy layouts. Because now I know better so I do better.
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justjazzy3
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Post by justjazzy3 on Mar 19, 2017 20:31:13 GMT
I think to some extent I follow the visual triangle because I like the way It looks. But I don't realize there si a visualmtriangle to well after I am done with the layout.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Mar 19, 2017 20:34:11 GMT
Thank you for the link. I just printed most of those to .pdf so I can read them later even if I am not online (i.e. in the car waiting to pick up kids LOL).
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Post by DawnMcD on Mar 19, 2017 20:57:55 GMT
i do not always conciously follow the rules but I have them in the back of my mind somewhere when I scrap. If a layout is just not working I will often go through some of the design rules I have learned from classes and videos to see if I can figure out why. Sometimes I just wing it LOL
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msliz
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Post by msliz on Mar 19, 2017 23:15:22 GMT
I ignore the rules. I go with my gut. (I have a lot of that)
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Post by KikiPea on Mar 20, 2017 1:49:05 GMT
Most of the time, yes, but not always.
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 20, 2017 1:56:45 GMT
I ignore the rules. I go with my gut. (I have a lot of that) Awesome! Me, too. I don't religiously follow the rules. Sometimes I have a triangle, sometimes I don't. The photos often dictate what works for my eye.
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Post by msliz on Mar 20, 2017 2:51:27 GMT
mikklynn , exactly. It all starts with the photos. With mine, I use as many as I have to tell the story I want to tell. And if there's any room left over on my page, I'll put something there. Sometimes it's best not to overthink it. I took art classes in college, but I don't feel like what I do with my books is art. Maybe folk art, if that even. Maybe I just follow different rules.
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Post by dasmith2 on Mar 20, 2017 4:49:45 GMT
I kind of just go with the flow, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't..I'm going to read the link, never hurts to learn something new
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Post by camcas on Mar 20, 2017 5:18:56 GMT
Yes,always always...just in case the scrapbooking police are watching.......
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Mar 20, 2017 6:45:39 GMT
i do not always conciously follow the rules but I have them in the back of my mind somewhere when I scrap. If a layout is just not working I will often go through some of the design rules I have learned from classes and videos to see if I can figure out why. This is totally me, right down to reviewing the rules when a page isn't working.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Mar 20, 2017 8:56:04 GMT
I do the visual triangle often, though I was doing it before I knew what it was.
But now I do know what it is, and I do it so much that sometimes I feel my layouts have a sameness about them. Can't win, sometimes.
I try to use odd amounts of embellishments in my clusters. 3's, 5's, 7's.
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Post by carolynhasacat on Mar 20, 2017 11:54:49 GMT
I consciously do rule of thirds and visual triangle, and I try not to have trapped white space. I like the article on deliberately breaking the rules on the Get it Scrapped site, though. Breaking the rules leads to some very interesting LOs.
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Post by Loydene on Mar 20, 2017 13:08:21 GMT
I'm not inherently artistic or creative; I didn't attend art school; I don't "see" things; I read and learn and understand words and rules and I try to take them to heart and use them -- but I can't really articulate when and where I've done something that would fit within the generally accepted principles of design. But I know that I like my pages better when I've hit on a "good" combination -- and those pages usually comply with the "suggested guidelines"!! I'm going to go dig out my copy of "Designer's Eye" now that I've been reminded!
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Post by lemondrop on Mar 20, 2017 14:43:28 GMT
Yes,always always...just in case the scrapbooking police are watching....... And they might come calling... For me, they are design guidelines that help if i am struggling with a layout.
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Post by travelscrapper2 on Mar 20, 2017 15:11:22 GMT
Rules? What rules? I thought scrapbooking didn't have any rules!
Actually I do follow some of the design "rules". Especially visual triangles and using odd numbers when putting on embellishments. I feel like those "design rules" make my LO's look better.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 20, 2017 15:47:40 GMT
for the most part I think I do, but I don't consciously think of them as 'design rules' or anything like that. It's just part of whether the page 'looks right' to me or not. Sometimes there's something 'off' about the page and I can't figure out exactly why-- and it ends up being trapped white space, or the page is really off-balance in how weighted it is, or something like that.
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Elsabelle
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Post by Elsabelle on Mar 20, 2017 16:16:17 GMT
But now I do know what it is, and I do it so much that sometimes I feel my layouts have a sameness about them. Can't win, sometimes. That's what prompted me to ask about this. I don't like that feeling of sameness about my layouts so I'm going to purposely avoid that one for a while. So I can rebel against the scrapbooking police.
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Post by loco coco on Mar 20, 2017 17:18:37 GMT
interesting, I didnt know about a lot of those. I think the page about alignment could help me.
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Post by nicolep on Mar 20, 2017 20:00:16 GMT
Heck no, lol. I do whatever looks 'right' to me when I'm in the moment.
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Post by caspad on Mar 20, 2017 20:48:41 GMT
Back when I started scrapping - in 2000 - it was the era of the sticker sneeze, wild colors, and shaped photos. I didn't like those kinds of pages. So my first pages had square edges and even borders and visual triangles and pops of color in 3 places. I liked the balance of my pages.
But I had NO idea that the things I liked were because of design principles until Simple Scrapbooks and specifically Cathy Zielske's column and books came along. Totally rocked my world to know there were reasons to why I liked certain things.
I think knowing those principles helps you make decisions when creating. Sometimes when things aren't working you can step back and kind of assess what a page needs by running through some principals. Knowing the "rules" helps you make decisions to break the "rules" too. Although I cannot endorse a sticker sneeze no matter how rebellious you are feeling. LOL
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 20, 2017 21:58:18 GMT
There is no scrapbook police, but scrapbooking is a craft. If you knit, you probably either follow a pattern or you have been knitting long enough to know how to coordinate colors, how to knit without dropping stitches, etc into a cohesive product. Any craft from mosaic glass to cake decorating has parameters. There is a way to scrapbook that is pleasing to the eye and showcases the products being used. If you don't put your pages together somewhat thoughtfully, then what keeps it from just being items glued on a page. I have never liked the idea that there are no rules. I think that came from a time when scrapbooking like we do now was a concept that resulted in whacked cropping, sticker sneeze, and pages with no rhyme or reason. I have plenty of them. I wish someone had acknowledged back then that there are some rules to make pleasing pages. We don't have to use design principles or have an art background, but I can't think of too many other crafts where we just say, "Oh you just do what you want. Like making a soup with leftovers and you throw in icecream and pumpkin pie because there are no rules to making soup." Here is the best example I have of there's a way to do it, and a way that just doesn't work. Because there are at the very least, guidelines.
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