kelly8875
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Post by kelly8875 on Jun 13, 2017 18:32:46 GMT
I'm always amazed at how late some kids start to drive. My kids were up at the crack of dawn on their 14th birthday waiting to go to the DMV to get their learners permit. They drove home from it and never stopped driving. Turned them lose on their own when they were 14.5 (well sort of - only to school and back at that age). You can do that in Iowa but lots of states have different laws. Plus the sheer amount of traffic in some areas can make kids that young nervous. When we were in IA, DD waited until she was 15 to get her permit and was driving on her 16th bday. In PA, DS kids can't get their permit until they're 16. DS was almost 17 before he got his, when I finally put my foot down and told him he WAS going to learn how to drive, even if only to school and the store. Fellow Iowan here. And every school district is different about their school permit rule. Our district only allows school permits for sophomores and up, no freshmen. DD had her school permit all sophomore year, and just got her full license yesterday. I love that she has a full year of driving to and from school before letting her loose. Which reminds me to call her in on my insurance letting them know it's a full license now!
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Post by Zee on Jun 13, 2017 18:36:47 GMT
You can do that in Iowa but lots of states have different laws. Plus the sheer amount of traffic in some areas can make kids that young nervous. When we were in IA, DD waited until she was 15 to get her permit and was driving on her 16th bday. In PA, DS kids can't get their permit until they're 16. DS was almost 17 before he got his, when I finally put my foot down and told him he WAS going to learn how to drive, even if only to school and the store. Fellow Iowan here. And every school district is different about their school permit rule. Our district only allows school permits for sophomores and up, no freshmen. DD had her school permit all sophomore year, and just got her full license yesterday. I love that she has a full year of driving to and from school before letting her loose. Which reminds me to call her in on my insurance letting them know it's a full license now! I didn't know it varied by school district thanks!
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janeinbama
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Post by janeinbama on Jun 13, 2017 18:46:18 GMT
In Alabama you must have your permit for 6 mos before getting your DL. In order to take road driving part of Driver's ed you must have your permit. I spent the last 2 months before our DDs turned 16 taking them driving every evening for an hour or so. It was DH's idea, but I got to ride along. I tried to take them everywhere. She had friends whose parents kept a road diary in the car. I so wish I had known about that because I would have been all over it. Our DDs got their licenses at 8:30 on their birthdays and then drove to school.
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MsKnit
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 13, 2017 22:33:10 GMT
In my state, a permit can be obtained at 15. It gives the kids a year to gain experience driving supervised. Driver's Ed must be passed to receive a license if the kid is under 18. If they wait until 18, they don't need driver's ed and only 2 weeks on the learner's permit. Insurance isn't needed until they become a licensed driver.
My kid will be 20 in a few weeks. He has zero interest in driving. He did have a permit for a couple of years. He simply didn't want to drive. He drove more with the Driver's ed teacher than he ever did with me or his dad. Once he turned 18, I think, he had a month to get his license. He couldn't be bothered. Not that I would have agreed, because he did not have the experience he needed. Total, he had under 10 hours of behind the wheel in a 2 years.
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iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 15, 2017 14:05:16 GMT
Fellow Iowan here. And every school district is different about their school permit rule. Our district only allows school permits for sophomores and up, no freshmen. DD had her school permit all sophomore year, and just got her full license yesterday. I love that she has a full year of driving to and from school before letting her loose. Our district requires that you live at least one mile from the school, but I seldom see that enforced. The will usually grant permission to anyone who asks. It depends on the superintendent. Our district is spread out over 5 small towns. I have known many kids who had their permit and were driving to school when still in the 8th grade! LOL It was towards the end of the year, but they did the Pre-K route, so were older in their class. My kids all took Drivers Ed in the summer between their 8th grade and freshman year and were driving into morning weights by themselves by July.
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tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on Jun 15, 2017 14:21:33 GMT
Checking in from MI. Our insurance company said our kids are NOT required to be licensed while still on permit.
It looks like 18+ must have a probationary driving period with a licensed adult before testing. I never realized this. I think it used to be years ago, that all you had to do was pass a driving test and a written test, but it does make sense that you would need practice.
I believe if you have taken drivers training and have not obtained your license by 18 you must follow this as well.
From our SOS site (Secretary of State, DMV everywhere else):
Temporary Instruction Permits
A Temporary Instruction Permit (TIP) allows you to practice driving with a licensed adult for up to 180 days. A TIP is issued if you are age 18 or older and:
Have never been licensed
Hold an expired foreign driver's license
Hold a Michigan driver's license or a license from another state that is expired for more than four years
Before obtaining a TIP, you must provide documentation of a valid Social Security number, U.S. citizenship or legal presence, identity and Michigan residency. You must also pass a vision and written knowledge test. In certain cases, a road sign test may be required.
You must practice driving with a licensed adult for at least 30 days before you are eligible to take the driving skills test with a third-party testing organization. After successfully completing your driving skills test, take your skills test certificate, TIP and appropriate identification documents to a Secretary of State office to obtain your driver's license.
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tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on Jun 15, 2017 14:27:50 GMT
I'm always amazed at how late some kids start to drive. My kids were up at the crack of dawn on their 14th birthday waiting to go to the DMV to get their learners permit. They drove home from it and never stopped driving. Turned them lose on their own when they were 14.5 (well sort of - only to school and back at that age). My dd took drivers training on time but she still isn't terribly comfortable driving and we all (she included) thinks it is best she get more practice. She just turned 17 and has set her goal to be licensed by the end of summer. In Iowa you can be licensed at 14.5? You can't even take drivers training here by that age.
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tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on Jun 15, 2017 14:35:52 GMT
Fellow Iowan here. And every school district is different about their school permit rule. Our district only allows school permits for sophomores and up, no freshmen. DD had her school permit all sophomore year, and just got her full license yesterday. I love that she has a full year of driving to and from school before letting her loose. Which reminds me to call her in on my insurance letting them know it's a full license now! I didn't know it varied by school district thanks! So the school districts set the laws for driving?
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kelly8875
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Post by kelly8875 on Jun 15, 2017 16:55:56 GMT
I didn't know it varied by school district thanks! So the school districts set the laws for driving? No, they don't set the laws... but they give permission to the students to drive to school on a school permit. Students fill out forms, and then have to take the forms to the DOT. Our district makes all students drive for the DOT as well by stamping the Drivers Ed certificate. The school can also revoke the permit based on grades or discipline if needed. At least this is how our district is.
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iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 15, 2017 21:00:54 GMT
In Iowa you can be licensed at 14.5? You can't even take drivers training here by that age. Yes. Learners permit at 14. School permit at 14.5, with completion of required hours and Drivers Ed and permission sheet from School District. Then they can drive directly to and from school on the shortest route, with an exception granted for getting gas. They can travel off route to get a tank of gas if needed. They seriously watch who is driving and where they are driving too. The town cops do have a list of who has school permits. If they are caught off-route, they can lose their permit. My daughter was pulled over by the chief. She was 17, but looks just like her younger sister and he thought it was the younger daughter. This is a very small town/rural area. If your kid is out screwing around, someone calls you and lets you know about it. The school can also revoke the permit based on grades or discipline if needed. At least this is how our district is That has never been even brought up in our district. They don't do that at all. They do require that the student live 1 mile from school, but I honestly don't think they ever deny anyone who applies for the permit. They don't stamp the Drivers Ed form either. The Drivers Ed teacher has that discretion. And the DOT picks some at random to drive. None of my kids had to. My kids could back a 22 foot horse trailer into a shed between two tractors at at 12 though. LOL They had a little more driving experience that most kids do when they start divers ed. My son would regularly get called to back the football equipment trailer up to the gym to load before games. The coach couldn't back a trailer up through a car filled parking lot.
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Post by Zee on Jun 15, 2017 21:16:11 GMT
In Iowa you can be licensed at 14.5? You can't even take drivers training here by that age. Yes. Learners permit at 14. School permit at 14.5, with completion of required hours and Drivers Ed and permission sheet from School District. Then they can drive directly to and from school on the shortest route, with an exception granted for getting gas. They can travel off route to get a tank of gas if needed. They seriously watch who is driving and where they are driving too. The town cops do have a list of who has school permits. If they are caught off-route, they can lose their permit. My daughter was pulled over by the chief. She was 17, but looks just like her younger sister and he thought it was the younger daughter. This is a very small town/rural area. If your kid is out screwing around, someone calls you and lets you know about it. The school can also revoke the permit based on grades or discipline if needed. At least this is how our district is That has never been even brought up in our district. They don't do that at all. They do require that the student live 1 mile from school, but I honestly don't think they ever deny anyone who applies for the permit. They don't stamp the Drivers Ed form either. The Drivers Ed teacher has that discretion. And the DOT picks some at random to drive. None of my kids had to. My kids could back a 22 foot horse trailer into a shed between two tractors at at 12 though. LOL They had a little more driving experience that most kids do when they start divers ed. My son would regularly get called to back the football equipment trailer up to the gym to load before games. The coach couldn't back a trailer up through a car filled parking lot. I couldn't back a trailer up through an empty field LOL
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kelly8875
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Post by kelly8875 on Jun 15, 2017 21:19:10 GMT
In Iowa you can be licensed at 14.5? You can't even take drivers training here by that age. Yes. Learners permit at 14. School permit at 14.5, with completion of required hours and Drivers Ed and permission sheet from School District. Then they can drive directly to and from school on the shortest route, with an exception granted for getting gas. They can travel off route to get a tank of gas if needed. They seriously watch who is driving and where they are driving too. The town cops do have a list of who has school permits. If they are caught off-route, they can lose their permit. My daughter was pulled over by the chief. She was 17, but looks just like her younger sister and he thought it was the younger daughter. This is a very small town/rural area. If your kid is out screwing around, someone calls you and lets you know about it. The school can also revoke the permit based on grades or discipline if needed. At least this is how our district is They don't stamp the Drivers Ed form either. The Drivers Ed teacher has that discretion. And the DOT picks some at random to drive. None of my kids had to. Our district stamps all the Drivers Ed forms and makes everyone drive with the DOT. Our local DOT even told me that when I took my DS in. I guess it's a good thing, since they can be under 16... you better prove you're good enough! My DD's friend failed her test 5 times and her mom was mad that she couldn't get her school permit. She was several months past 16 even before she finally passed the test. She's just a bad driver. Both my kids passed on their first try, but we knew they were ready and capable drivers.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 15, 2017 23:41:47 GMT
He did take the drivers ed classroom and driving instructor hours , but never went to get his permit. I'd find out if those are even valid any longer..
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 16, 2017 14:45:43 GMT
I couldn't back a trailer up through an empty field LOL I struggle. It takes lot of attempts for me to get backed in to a tight spot. If I have a lot of room, and no audience, I can do fairly well. Lots of onlookers - and it's not fun for me! I am always glad if one of the kids is around to do that task! My DH and I were discussing when the kids learned to drive here. Our son was driving a twin screw to haul silage when he was in 6th grade. No public roads, all on our private roads. I remember getting in the cab and asking him if anyone showed him how to use the split shift or run the air on the axles. He said no. So I told him to leave the split on the low side and how much air needed to be on the axle when it was full. Man - it is learn on the go around here. I was really surprised that my kids were pretty much the only ones who know how to drive a stick in their class.
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