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Post by marie on Jan 28, 2019 17:42:59 GMT
This was an easy pass for me. I'm not interested in making a separate album. I have done one 12 x 12 album per year since 2010 so the 3x 8 size won't work for me. In past years I have incorporated DITL in with my regular PL. The $10 price point fit my budget too.I have enough stamps that I will make my own cards this year.
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Post by sneakylatina on Jan 28, 2019 18:10:18 GMT
A couple of thoughts after really looking at the DITL stuff. You get 12 3x8 papers, but only 5 page protectors (10 slots, basically, for 12 pages). You get 5 page protectors with 3x2" one pocket and 3x6" one pocket, but no cards to match either size there (I know you can use photos in the 3x6, but no little cards for the 3x2 -- do you cut up your 3x8 cards?). You get •(5) 3x4" two pockets, but only 6 3x4 cards, and you get ONE title page to stamp a date on, but you're supposed to be using the kit for two different dates? And you have the same transparencies as in the OLW 3x8 album, only white design instead of black, plus three dividers for morning, noon, and night. I'm sure Ali will pull it all together somehow using only about 1/10 of the actual product she's selling, but it seems weird to me. And the acrylic stars and cork hearts look like something they'd pair with anything, not particularly this kit. It just feels disjointed to me-- and the fact that she announced how it was going to roll totally last minute in handwritten notes she did on the way back from Inked tells me they weren't quite sure how they were going to sell it and came up with the plan on Friday. Which is fine, but might be why it just seems odd. Dunno.
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Post by lasteve1 on Jan 28, 2019 18:20:50 GMT
Now that I see the full reveal, here are my thoughts:
The album/transparency bundle is overpriced. I still don't get the 12 dividers for hourly, no one is only awake for only 12 hours. Also the designs on them are rehashed. The divided page protectors don't match the card configurations in the kit.
But the biggest miss for me in this bundle is that the album is supposed to hold two DITL days but there is no divider between the days!? I think there should also be two opaque dividers for each day, I would make them opaque grey, maybe with a subtle white pattern like dots, and tabs large enough on the side to let you put a rolling date stamp on it for the date. Plus allot a divided page protector for a "cover" page in front of the first one of these dividers. Also the kit should include something that would work for a title page for the album, not just for each day. I see they have a 3x4 "title card" for the first DITL and a 3x8 "title card" for the second, but since they're in one album you need an overall title page.
As far as the main kit goes, I think it is good value. The previous DITL kits were only $10, but they had way less embellishments. I think it was smart of them to bundle (since they weren't going to do a la carte everything, which would actually be ideal) because they only need to include one stamp which typically is expensive and eats away at the cost of the kit. That way they can give you more of the consumable embellishments and no one really needs two DITL stamps per year. The big miss for me are the 3x8 cards. I get that they want to sell the 3x8 album, but they are selling the kit separate from the album as if you could do it without the album. With 3x4 cards you have flexibility. You could add them into a 12x12, 9x12, 6x12, 6x8, 3x8 or mini album. With 3x8 you are pretty much limited to 3x8 or 6x8.
If Ali really wants to keep at it with this 3x8 size of cards, etc., they need to produce some page protectors to include these in larger albums. And I don't mean just slip a 3x8 page protector into a 9x12 or 12x12 album because that looks silly, and for a project like this what are you supposed to do--include 12 of them in a row? They should make divided page protectors that include 3x8 pockets. For example, for 6x8 you could make two 3x8s side by side on a 6x8, or a 3x8 next to two 3x4s on a 6x8. For 9x12, you could do a fun page that includes 3 3x8s and 3 3x4s, either with all the 3x4s in a row across the top or staggered. For 12x12 you could include 4 3x8s and 2 4x6s staggered or lined up, or 4 3x4s and 4 3x8s, either staggered or lined up. I think these page protectors would sell fast because you can always divide the pockets smaller with a fuse, but you can't open up existing page protector configurations to add a 3x8 (unless you start with a 12x12 single pocket but that would be really complicated and require you to build your page protector around your cards).
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Jan 28, 2019 18:43:34 GMT
I wonder if Ali comes up with the products for the kit and then Ink produces it or if Ink says “this is what we can offer in the kit” and then Ali makes the project fit around it. It seems like it is the later with some of the quantities in the kit. It’s like it will be spun to sound like it was the plan but some of the offering just seems odd and not matching up to two full days.
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Post by joblackford on Jan 28, 2019 19:19:13 GMT
lasteve1 I was clicking LIKE on your post before I'd even gotten through the 2nd paragraph. I don't get the 12 dividers at all. Which 12 hours do I pick anyway? The early and late hours have more "content" in most people's lives - the morning coffee and get out the door pix, the errands, the playtime at home, relaxing, whatever - mostly early and late in the day. But It would be weird to have hourly dividers from 6am to noon and then skip 12- 4pm so you could include dinner, TV, etc! And anyway, I thought DITL was supposed to be a QUICK fun way to break down a day for your album - I wouldn't be wanting to make a section of an album for each hour of the day (even if my day was only 12 hours long)! I've done DITL plenty of different ways and if I'm doing an hourly check in I keep that pretty brief because it's a lot of memory keeping and not much time to DO your living that you're recording! lol. I totally agree that a day 1 and day 2 divider would have made sense for the people who are doing this special dedicated album version. It sounds like the whole kit is not much use to people who add this into a PL or family album. Luckily there are plenty of other products for people to buy that they can use for a project like this. Maybe Geralyn Sy has something nice? (or should) I think part of the problem is that she has released too many of these kits now, so they overlap and run together. How many did she do last year? Maybe she should try doing 1 good product instead of 3 or 4 mediocre ones...? I used to think AE had a good eye for design, but either the SC people have taken over too much control of it, or too many years of doing the same thing over and over has worn out AE's design muscles or pushed it past the limits of what she's good at. There's just some little stuff that just doesn't look good to me in that picture - like the gratitudes card - having 5 colors for the numbers just isn't working for me (even if I liked the colors). The red 3 is so bold! Maybe it's better in person, but to me it just looks like someone said "I have to use all 5 colors" and didn't consider that bright red has an ALARM, LOOK AT ME aspect to it that doesn't fit with the 3rd item on a 5 item gratitude list. At least go for rainbow order or pale -> strong, or something that makes visual sense. I'm just over her design generally. I'm OK with these fonts, but I really don't need a big bold TIME to denote the time, and STORY to show me where to write the story. Why not use symbols, or something that people can use for those purposes if they want to but can use in a different way if they chose? She's creating weird fill in the blanks like we're all 5 years old - like she doesn't trust us to know where to put the time, or that a number that looks like 7:47AM is a time... grrr. I guess it's hard to sell pieces of white paper to stick photos/write on when all of your customers already have those in their stash. But I'd rather see some little >>> symbol where she wants me to stamp the time, or a clock, or a subtle digital 88:88 that you could stamp over... I don't know. Really I don't know why I waste my energy critiquing this stuff. I'm obviously not one of her customers any more.
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Post by gigi333 on Jan 28, 2019 19:27:09 GMT
The album in my opinion is. A ridiculous price. Wouldn’t even consider it
I did get the main kit with the THANKS20 code so that’s for posting that. I like the kit but I think everyone has days that are longer than 12 hours and it leaves pretty much nothing to document the other day
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Post by lasteve1 on Jan 29, 2019 16:25:49 GMT
So... after thinking about it more, I gave in and purchased the kit. Mostly because I think $25 isn't that much for everything that is included and I really liked the embellishments. Some of the cards I probably won't use and I won't create a 3x8 album but I plan to do the DITL documenting on the Feb day using the hourly approach and will cut the 3x8 cards down to 3x4 and just leave the "story" portion at the top (cutting off the "time" portion). I will crop the 3x8 title card in half and put it into two 3x4 pockets and include the entire documentation on a 9x12 page protector, front and back, with 9 3x4 pockets. I did this hourly approach before a couple of years ago and I tend to alternate documenting the hour either with journaling or a photo, but not both (which is helpful for making it through a regular workday). So I plan to do the same again. I'm not sure yet if I will print my photos as 3x4 or as 2.5 inch squares and back them with patterned cards from my stash.
I know Ali is doing the morning/afternoon/evening for the Feb documenting day but I really want to do an hourly approach on a Tuesday because my Tuesday schedule is really packed. I might use the morning/afternoon/evening for a second day later this year or I will just use the cards in regular project life. I don't usually participate in DITL more than once per year, and sometimes not even that, because I do WITL each year and feel like that's enough. But I hate that WITL always falls during spring (ETA: I totally understand why Ali does it in the spring, it just still sucks for my documenting. And I know I could do it on my own, but I love the community aspect of documenting together) and, since I live in New York, the seasons affect my daily life A LOT. I know that I get winter in December Daily, but it's not the same as this type of documentation.
I really like the stickers and chipboard and feel like they will be used in my regular project life, which is really what sold me on the kit. When I document DITL I tend to focus on just the words and photos and a formula, but I also never create a separate album. I was toying with the idea of making a tiny mini but decided against it. I realized the 3x8 cards would be great if you wanted a mini bound with binder rings that holds 3x4 cards and has extra space at the top for the binder rings. You could crop the "story" cards to 3x4.5 or however much extra you need to leave room for the rings, then include the rings at the top of the cards. Each "page" would hold a story card to tell the story at the bottom and a 3x4 photo on the top page (backed with the previous story card). You would just need cropped chipboard for the cover. Typing this out makes me want to do it again... but I think i'll stick with in my album because I really want to use the 3x8 title card (my favorite card from the kit) and I can't figure out how to fit that in this mini!
I really wish Ali included the digital kit with kit purchases. I want to stamp the time on my journaling cards and on my photos, but I will likely want to add it digitally to the photos and have it match. So I will probably use different numbers that I have both physical/digital, possibly the time story stamp. I am excited for this documentation, yay!
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Post by jennamama on Jan 31, 2019 17:36:51 GMT
I do a project life album and DITL is a nice addition to that. I have no interest in adding another mini album to my collection for DITL documenting. I just know better than to add another project and I feel I will spend way more time that I need to if I do it this way. I'm disappointed in this offering from Ali as I feel it takes away from the original feel of the project. Although, I understand everyone doesn't do a PL album.
3 DITL projects a year seem like too much so I'm glad she's turned away from that. I tried to keep up but did finally throw in the towel last fall (2018) on that attempt. Just too much happening right now for me to make the time. I will say I do enjoy the snapshot of a day, so I hope to complete one this year. Every day I complete this project is different than the last!
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Post by paperamy on Feb 1, 2019 22:37:18 GMT
So Ali just put up a video of her January PL, since she’s doing it monthly now. I’ve just watched the first few minutes but she’s already mentioned her Story Planner. This is the first time I’ve seen her mention it in a long time (although I’m not a subscriber, so she may have talked about it in her Story Kit videos)
It made me think...I bet she’s got a Story Planner release upcoming if she’s publicly talking about it again.
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 1, 2019 23:41:48 GMT
So, I just received an email stating that Ali is now going to be charging taxes in my state and several others.
Hello,
Thank you for being a subscriber and member of the Ali Edwards community. Ali Edwards will begin collecting sales tax on orders shipped to a location within the following states on 2/1/18: CA, CO, CT, GA, HI, IL, IN, IA, KY, LA, MD, ME, MI, MN, MO, NC, ND, NE, NJ, NV, OK, PA, RI, SD, UT, WA, WI, WV, and WY.
If you have any questions regarding this new tax compliance, please reach out to our Customer Experience team by starting a conversation on the site.
Thank you,
Leia Customer Experience Manager
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 2, 2019 1:01:02 GMT
So, I just received an email stating that Ali is now going to be charging taxes in my state and several others. Hello, Thank you for being a subscriber and member of the Ali Edwards community. Ali Edwards will begin collecting sales tax on orders shipped to a location within the following states on 2/1/18: CA, CO, CT, GA, HI, IL, IN, IA, KY, LA, MD, ME, MI, MN, MO, NC, ND, NE, NJ, NV, OK, PA, RI, SD, UT, WA, WI, WV, and WY. If you have any questions regarding this new tax compliance, please reach out to our Customer Experience team by starting a conversation on the site. Thank you, Leia Customer Experience Manager Same with SC. I will just have anything I order from them sent to my mother’s house. She lives in an exempt state. I wonder if it would affect anything sent from Oregon, like if Ali was in charge or her distribution like KP.
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Post by mom on Feb 2, 2019 1:34:46 GMT
So Ali just put up a video of her January PL, since she’s doing it monthly now. I’ve just watched the first few minutes but she’s already mentioned her Story Planner. This is the first time I’ve seen her mention it in a long time (although I’m not a subscriber, so she may have talked about it in her Story Kit videos) It made me think...I bet she’s got a Story Planner release upcoming if she’s publicly talking about it again. yep or she is going to try and reduce her stock because it isn't selling.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Feb 2, 2019 1:36:00 GMT
No email for me about the shop being taxed and I'm in one of the states listed. I sub to one of her kits, so what's up with that?
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Post by joblackford on Feb 2, 2019 1:36:43 GMT
So, I just received an email stating that Ali is now going to be charging taxes in my state and several others. Hello, Thank you for being a subscriber and member of the Ali Edwards community. Ali Edwards will begin collecting sales tax on orders shipped to a location within the following states on 2/1/18: CA, CO, CT, GA, HI, IL, IN, IA, KY, LA, MD, ME, MI, MN, MO, NC, ND, NE, NJ, NV, OK, PA, RI, SD, UT, WA, WI, WV, and WY. If you have any questions regarding this new tax compliance, please reach out to our Customer Experience team by starting a conversation on the site. Thank you, Leia Customer Experience Manager I believe this is going to be far more widespread than just AE/SC, etc. Etsy has been collecting sales tax for more and more states, as has Amazon. It's legally required. The shocking thing is how many scrapbook companies are not complying with the law about this. WA has required sales taxes to be collected online for a year or more and Amazon and Etsy both follow the law but almost every scrapbook company (very big and very small) that I buy from does not. I'll be interested to see if scrapbook dot com and SSS finally start charging me tax now.
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Post by lasteve1 on Feb 2, 2019 4:01:59 GMT
So, I just received an email stating that Ali is now going to be charging taxes in my state and several others. Hello, Thank you for being a subscriber and member of the Ali Edwards community. Ali Edwards will begin collecting sales tax on orders shipped to a location within the following states on 2/1/18: CA, CO, CT, GA, HI, IL, IN, IA, KY, LA, MD, ME, MI, MN, MO, NC, ND, NE, NJ, NV, OK, PA, RI, SD, UT, WA, WI, WV, and WY. If you have any questions regarding this new tax compliance, please reach out to our Customer Experience team by starting a conversation on the site. Thank you, Leia Customer Experience Manager Same with SC. I will just have anything I order from them sent to my mother’s house. She lives in an exempt state. I wonder if it would affect anything sent from Oregon, like if Ali was in charge or her distribution like KP. Sales tax is purely based on the shipping address/buyers location and not the seller/shipper. The only thing where the seller’s location matters is if the state has the authority to tell them what to do. A new Supreme Court case came out on this last year and all online retailers should start collecting soon.
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Post by lasteve1 on Feb 2, 2019 4:03:09 GMT
So, I just received an email stating that Ali is now going to be charging taxes in my state and several others. Hello, Thank you for being a subscriber and member of the Ali Edwards community. Ali Edwards will begin collecting sales tax on orders shipped to a location within the following states on 2/1/18: CA, CO, CT, GA, HI, IL, IN, IA, KY, LA, MD, ME, MI, MN, MO, NC, ND, NE, NJ, NV, OK, PA, RI, SD, UT, WA, WI, WV, and WY. If you have any questions regarding this new tax compliance, please reach out to our Customer Experience team by starting a conversation on the site. Thank you, Leia Customer Experience Manager I believe this is going to be far more widespread than just AE/SC, etc. Etsy has been collecting sales tax for more and more states, as has Amazon. It's legally required. The shocking thing is how many scrapbook companies are not complying with the law about this. WA has required sales taxes to be collected online for a year or more and Amazon and Etsy both follow the law but almost every scrapbook company (very big and very small) that I buy from does not. I'll be interested to see if scrapbook dot com and SSS finally start charging me tax now. Many states were trying it, but it was challenged in court and just recently (I believe last June) the Supreme Court said they have to collect (Wayfair challenged it). So companies should be changing in response to that decision.
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Post by BSideCrafter on Feb 2, 2019 4:04:42 GMT
So Ali just put up a video of her January PL, since she’s doing it monthly now. I’ve just watched the first few minutes but she’s already mentioned her Story Planner. This is the first time I’ve seen her mention it in a long time (although I’m not a subscriber, so she may have talked about it in her Story Kit videos) It made me think...I bet she’s got a Story Planner release upcoming if she’s publicly talking about it again. She mentioned in the Facebook group new things are coming including a planner page with pocket designs on them. When someone shared something they created themselves
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 2, 2019 4:07:33 GMT
Same with SC. I will just have anything I order from them sent to my mother’s house. She lives in an exempt state. I wonder if it would affect anything sent from Oregon, like if Ali was in charge or her distribution like KP. Sales tax is purely based on the shipping address/buyers location and not the seller/shipper. The only thing where the seller’s location matters is if the state has the authority to tell them what to do. A new Supreme Court case came out on this last year and all online retailers should start collecting soon. I don’t know, Citrus Twist charged me sales tax even when I had stuff sent to Oregon. Maybe it was just a Washington thing? They are located somewhere here.
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Post by pancakes on Feb 2, 2019 5:17:02 GMT
I don’t know if this was already brought up, but I’m watching Ali’s latest video and she talks about a new class that’s coming out in Feb that starts in March — Hello Story 2.
When it comes to AE products, I think the actual designs are often not what work well for me. There are a lot of sentiments and designs that aren’t my style. But her class content is always good, and I always enjoy it. So I will prob end up signing up for Hello Story 2 (which I’m guessing will be pricey).
I’m doing a huge purge of PL cards and I realized that I don’t often use my AE ones. I have quite a few story kits that I didn’t touch much.
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Post by lasteve1 on Feb 2, 2019 13:28:45 GMT
Sales tax is purely based on the shipping address/buyers location and not the seller/shipper. The only thing where the seller’s location matters is if the state has the authority to tell them what to do. A new Supreme Court case came out on this last year and all online retailers should start collecting soon. I don’t know, Citrus Twist charged me sales tax even when I had stuff sent to Oregon. Maybe it was just a Washington thing? They are located somewhere here. I’m a tax attorney for my state’s tax department so this is what I do. Oregon doesn’t have sales tax so they should not be charging you any if you have items sent to Oregon. If they don’t know what they’re doing they might charge everyone just to be safe because they’re worried about having to pay it, but they’re doing it wrong. You should request a refund. Eta: I hope this didn’t come across as rude, I’m typing on an iPad so trying to be as short as possible while getting across the necessary info. I don’t want you to be overcharged!
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Post by karinec on Feb 2, 2019 17:33:34 GMT
So I ordered the main DITL kit and it arrived yesterday. In general, I do like the kit. I'm not crazy about the stamp set - the numbers are too similar to another DITL set. But I do like the "today was..." stamps, I can see myself using those on other projects besides DITL.
Starting in 2017, I put all my DITLs in a 4x6 Snap album. I like that they are all together so I can see the various snapshots of my life at the various times. I will probably continue on this vein in a 3x8 album of some kind - homemade if necessary. I'm kinda bummed I can't cut the 3x8 cards down to fit nicely in my Snap album. My biggest complaint is that there is only one title page in the 3x8, I would have liked one for each DITL in 2019.
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Post by anniefb on Feb 2, 2019 19:19:06 GMT
So, I just received an email stating that Ali is now going to be charging taxes in my state and several others. Hello, Thank you for being a subscriber and member of the Ali Edwards community. Ali Edwards will begin collecting sales tax on orders shipped to a location within the following states on 2/1/18: CA, CO, CT, GA, HI, IL, IN, IA, KY, LA, MD, ME, MI, MN, MO, NC, ND, NE, NJ, NV, OK, PA, RI, SD, UT, WA, WI, WV, and WY. If you have any questions regarding this new tax compliance, please reach out to our Customer Experience team by starting a conversation on the site. Thank you, Leia Customer Experience Manager I believe this is going to be far more widespread than just AE/SC, etc. Etsy has been collecting sales tax for more and more states, as has Amazon. It's legally required. The shocking thing is how many scrapbook companies are not complying with the law about this. WA has required sales taxes to be collected online for a year or more and Amazon and Etsy both follow the law but almost every scrapbook company (very big and very small) that I buy from does not. I'll be interested to see if scrapbook dot com and SSS finally start charging me tax now. I have a US shipping address in Oregon courtesy of New Zealand Post. Am I right in thinking it’s an exempt state for sales tax?
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Post by Jessica on Feb 2, 2019 19:41:04 GMT
anniefbCorrect, no sales tax here in Oregon.
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Post by anniefb on Feb 3, 2019 0:18:51 GMT
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Post by BSideCrafter on Feb 3, 2019 1:51:15 GMT
No email for me about the shop being taxed and I'm in one of the states listed. I sub to one of her kits, so what's up with that? I didn't get the email yesterday, but I did a couple years ago and I'm in CA. So I'm guessing they sent it to the new states on the list.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Feb 3, 2019 3:44:13 GMT
No email for me about the shop being taxed and I'm in one of the states listed. I sub to one of her kits, so what's up with that? I didn't get the email yesterday, but I did a couple years ago and I'm in CA. So I'm guessing they sent it to the new states on the list. Wouldn't that include me, then? I have never paid sales tax before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 14:04:33 GMT
I love how each of the ATTRIBUTES of the album are their own bullet point - as if they are each something you get w/the kit as opposed to sub-bullets of the album itself: - 3x8" Matte Chipboard Album
- 1.5" Spine
- 6-hole D-ring Binder
- Outer 5.25" x 9.75"
- Gold 1" x 2.1" Bookplate
Oooh, guys, you get a bookplate!! and a binder!!
Oh, wait those are just parts of the ONE ITEM called album:
- 3x8" Matte Chipboard Album - 1.5" Spine, 6-holes D-ring Measures 5.25x9.75; Gold bookplate
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Post by needtime2scrap on Feb 3, 2019 14:18:27 GMT
To be fair people complained when there wasn't a bookplate on the FJ DD album. And most would skim the single bullet description and miss information, then ask what was configuration.
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Post by cbscrapper on Feb 3, 2019 14:33:39 GMT
SC/AE have been charging me sales tax for a while, since one of their former umbrella brands is based in my state. The thing to watch is how much they charge. Some purchases they were charging me 14%!! I guess they gouge their tax charges just like their shipping charges to make a little extra. Our state rate is about 4.5%, and even with county and city sales tax, the highest rate in the state (not my town tho) is about 10%. I contacted them about it and they didn’t have a good answer for me and couldn’t explain how the tax was calculated (the rate was different on different purchases for me even), and certainly did not give me a refund. So, I’d suggest keeping an eye on what they charge you. There were many purchases I didn’t make when the sales tax was coming up really high.
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Post by lasteve1 on Feb 3, 2019 14:42:31 GMT
SC/AE have been charging me sales tax for a while, since one of their former umbrella brands is based in my state. The thing to watch is how much they charge. Some purchases they were charging me 14%!! I guess they gouge their tax charges just like their shipping charges to make a little extra. Our state rate is about 4.5%, and even with county and city sales tax, the highest rate in the state (not my town tho) is about 10%. I contacted them about it and they didn’t have a good answer for me and couldn’t explain how the tax was calculated (the rate was different on different purchases for me even), and certainly did not give me a refund. So, I’d suggest keeping an eye on what they charge you. There were many purchases I didn’t make when the sales tax was coming up really high. That is illegal and could get them in serious trouble with the state tax department. It depends on the state and their specific rules for how much, etc., but generally, if a merchant labels something as sales tax they must remit it to the state tax department and cannot keep a portion. If they do that’s illegal. In some states that means civil fines, others it could mean criminal fines, depending on the amount and if it was done intentionally. If it’s something they’ve done repeatedly you might want to refer them to your state’s tax department. Most tax departments have a way for consumers to refer issues with merchants or tax preparers. On the other hand, if they are overcollecting but actually send that money to the state, the state probably won’t do anything about it. The state would possibly allow them to get a refund if they show they’re giving it back to their customers, but they would be tedious and probably not go anywhere.
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