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Post by peasapie on Sept 26, 2017 13:00:04 GMT
All the arguing has started all over again ... this time about whether kneeling during the anthem is heinous or righteous. Most of the people flapping their jaws never spent a day in the military but feel free to tell others what they should and shouldn’t do. If they are so righteous about military service, why didn’t they serve?
And really, when is it ok for people to protest? I guess only in the privacy of your home where no one who might be offended can see or hear you.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 26, 2017 13:05:47 GMT
I rarely post political things on Facebook but I did about this one. I find it abhorrent that the leader of our country said about a vet who was a prisoner of war. He wasn't a hero because he got caught. Then he says fire the sons of bitches who kneel on the ground during the national anthem. He is not a good spokesperson for patriotism and most likely it's illegal what he did (interfering in a business) because he is an elected official.
I haven't seen anything overly obnoxious on either side. Maybe some didn't appreciate the picture I posted. Oh well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 13:16:35 GMT
My cousin's husband is a die hard christain patriot now.
But when he was 18 he was a lily livered coward who got his daddy's(dad never served) cronies to 4f him out if the draft for Vietnam. When he could not get a decent job and Vietnam was over he joined the army. Then quit just shy of 20 years because he didn't want to go to Korea ( (second tour )again for 6 months.
Somewhere he found god and county and is letting everybody know how offended he about every little thing. I want to just scream. Where the hell was your sense of duty when your classmates we're serving and dying their country honorably.
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Post by amom23 on Sept 26, 2017 13:21:20 GMT
My only answer for stuff like Facebook is just to unfollow people. They don't know you aren't following them and you don't have to see/read the crap that they post. Easy peasy and done.
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Post by missbennet on Sept 26, 2017 13:27:34 GMT
Not related to protests, but to Facebook specifically - since they finally admitted they sold $100,000 worth of ads to Russian provocateurs, the bickering seems like the least objectionable thing about that platform this week.
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Post by marimoose on Sept 26, 2017 13:32:55 GMT
My only answer for stuff like Facebook is just to unfollow people. They don't know you aren't following them and you don't have to see/read the crap that they post. Easy peasy and done. This is what I do. When I saw one repost everywhere I simply hit the button in the corner to block it from my feeds. No one knows and we all can co-exist a little more peacefully  . I liked when my friend posted that just because you read something on FB that you can move past without replying and that is what I am practicing. |
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 26, 2017 13:42:09 GMT
My only answer for stuff like Facebook is just to unfollow people. They don't know you aren't following them and you don't have to see/read the crap that they post. Easy peasy and done. Yes, this is the solution for people you don't want to actually un-friend -- family maybe, or the gal who was your maid of honor or someone like that. Unfollow them and you won't see it but they can still see that you're friends with them. |
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Post by basketdiva on Sept 26, 2017 13:57:53 GMT
Luckily I've "unfollowed" the few people on my friends list that would be the most vocal with their postings about politics and the anthem issue. Others who post "like this" or post "amen" to their viewpoint are just ignored.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Sept 26, 2017 14:10:13 GMT
I'm about tired of reading both sides. I don't post my political feelings on Facebook, but I find this one particularly annoying. When 10 people each share the same meme, it loses any power it had. If it is fine for people to kneel in protest in the name of free speech, then it also must be fine for people to complain about it in the name of free speech (and the other way around).
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Post by Anna*Banana on Sept 26, 2017 14:33:16 GMT
All the arguing has started all over again ... this time about whether kneeling during the anthem is heinous or righteous. Most of the people flapping their jaws never spent a day in the military but feel free to tell others what they should and shouldn’t do. If they are so righteous about military service, why didn’t they serve? And really, when is it ok for people to protest? I guess only in the privacy of your home where no one who might be offended can see or hear you. I promised myself I would not wade into the politics here if I came back. I'm not here to argue or tell you you are wrong. I'm just going to tell you why I and the military families I know are troubled by it. I've not heard a single one speak to whether the complaint/protest is valid, it's purely about the perception that it's a confusing method (genuflecting/kneeling is a sign of respect though Kaepernick said specifically, "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”), and that for those who have served in combat or who's loved ones came home from combat draped in a flag, it has perhaps a meaning or symbolism that others don't understand. And yes, it's not just having been in the military. This seems to be specifically to combat veterans or deaths. And I'm not going to come back to try to defend how I feel. It's how I feel. And I'm not making a statement on whether I feel any of them have a valid issue worth protesting. It's solely, for me, about confusion in the protest and lack of a return compassion. I think they're losing a sector of the population that gets their issue and would be very supportive of the complaints but is now somehow thrown under some other bus that equates to ignorance and racism because they object to their mode. |
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Post by tduby1 on Sept 26, 2017 14:43:07 GMT
My only answer for stuff like Facebook is just to unfollow people. They don't know you aren't following them and you don't have to see/read the crap that they post. Easy peasy and done. I have a lot of people in time out right now. Including my mom, two aunts and many cousins. My rule is, more than 3 political posts in a row and into time out you go! And by in a row I mean, 3 posts, with no other posts in between. |
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 26, 2017 14:54:05 GMT
All the arguing has started all over again ... this time about whether kneeling during the anthem is heinous or righteous. Most of the people flapping their jaws never spent a day in the military but feel free to tell others what they should and shouldn’t do. If they are so righteous about military service, why didn’t they serve? And really, when is it ok for people to protest? I guess only in the privacy of your home where no one who might be offended can see or hear you. I promised myself I would not wade into the politics here if I came back. I'm not here to argue or tell you you are wrong. I'm just going to tell you why I and the military families I know are troubled by it. I've not heard a single one speak to whether the complaint/protest is valid, it's purely about the perception that it's a confusing method (genuflecting/kneeling is a sign of respect though Kaepernick said specifically, "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”), and that for those who have served in combat or who's loved ones came home from combat draped in a flag, it has perhaps a meaning or symbolism that others don't understand. And yes, it's not just having been in the military. This seems to be specifically to combat veterans or deaths. And I'm not going to come back to try to defend how I feel. It's how I feel. And I'm not making a statement on whether I feel any of them have a valid issue worth protesting. It's solely, for me, about confusion in the protest and lack of a return compassion. I think they're losing a sector of the population that gets their issue and would be very supportive of the complaints but is now somehow thrown under some other bus that equates to ignorance and racism because they object to their mode. I really feel that if there's confusion, then people aren't paying close enough attention and LISTENING to the words they say in statements and to the media. There really is no confusion, nor a lack of compassion here. I know Micheal Bennett of the Seahawks have said over and over again that he supports police, he supports military - this is no disrespect to the flag or Country. But to bring attention to the inequality in our justice system. |
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Post by pyccku on Sept 26, 2017 14:57:50 GMT
it's purely about the perception that it's a confusing method (genuflecting/kneeling is a sign of respect though Kaepernick said specifically, "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”), and that for those who have served in combat or who's loved ones came home from combat draped in a flag, it has perhaps a meaning or symbolism that others don't understand. And yes, it's not just having been in the military. This seems to be specifically to combat veterans or deaths. The interesting thing is that the kneeling was a compromise that he came up with after speaking with a teammate and former Green Beret. So it's not like he didn't talk to someone who was also a vet. It's just funny to me how some people see him kneeling and think 'how disrespectful to the vets!' when the reason he is kneeling is BECAUSE a vet came up with that idea while discussing it with him. How Colin Kaepernick went from sitting to kneeling |
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Post by jenis40 on Sept 26, 2017 15:03:02 GMT
All the arguing has started all over again ... this time about whether kneeling during the anthem is heinous or righteous. Most of the people flapping their jaws never spent a day in the military but feel free to tell others what they should and shouldn’t do. If they are so righteous about military service, why didn’t they serve? And really, when is it ok for people to protest? I guess only in the privacy of your home where no one who might be offended can see or hear you. I promised myself I would not wade into the politics here if I came back. I'm not here to argue or tell you you are wrong. I'm just going to tell you why I and the military families I know are troubled by it. I've not heard a single one speak to whether the complaint/protest is valid, it's purely about the perception that it's a confusing method (genuflecting/kneeling is a sign of respect though Kaepernick said specifically, "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”), and that for those who have served in combat or who's loved ones came home from combat draped in a flag, it has perhaps a meaning or symbolism that others don't understand. And yes, it's not just having been in the military. This seems to be specifically to combat veterans or deaths. And I'm not going to come back to try to defend how I feel. It's how I feel. And I'm not making a statement on whether I feel any of them have a valid issue worth protesting. It's solely, for me, about confusion in the protest and lack of a return compassion. I think they're losing a sector of the population that gets their issue and would be very supportive of the complaints but is now somehow thrown under some other bus that equates to ignorance and racism because they object to their mode. I don't mean any disrespect against those who served but the military doesn't own the American flag - it belongs to the country and all it's people. This country shows far greater disrespect to those who served by not adequately funding the VA than football players kneeling quietly with their hands over their hearts. |
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Post by basketdiva on Sept 26, 2017 15:13:05 GMT
I really feel that if there's confusion, then people aren't paying close enough attention and LISTENING to the words they say in statements and to the media. There really is no confusion, nor a lack of compassion here. I know Micheal Bennett of the Seahawks have said over and over again that he supports police, he supports military - this is no disrespect to the flag or Country. But to bring attention to the inequality in our justice system.
Sadly it's not bringing any attention to the inequality in our justice system. It's dividing the country. And I have not read where any on the people kneeling are doing anything else. They very well may be, and if so, let country know what they are doing to work on the issues.
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Post by jenis40 on Sept 26, 2017 15:31:49 GMT
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 26, 2017 15:49:07 GMT
I really feel that if there's confusion, then people aren't paying close enough attention and LISTENING to the words they say in statements and to the media. There really is no confusion, nor a lack of compassion here. I know Micheal Bennett of the Seahawks have said over and over again that he supports police, he supports military - this is no disrespect to the flag or Country. But to bring attention to the inequality in our justice system.Sadly it's not bringing any attention to the inequality in our justice system. It's dividing the country. And I have not read where any on the people kneeling are doing anything else. They very well may be, and if so, let country know what they are doing to work on the issues. Then, again, you aren't paying enough attention or looking for the answers. I know that several of the Seahawks have met with local leaders and police to talk about this subject and look for solutions. I can't speak for what other people on other teams are doing. |
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Post by Anna*Banana on Sept 26, 2017 16:02:08 GMT
Sadly, I guess I knew that no one would hear any other side or try to hear the reasons for the issue with using the flag not in their protest. Or that you'd try to see that there is confusion in genuflecting and saying that it is to NOT be respectful. I don't understand how that isn't confusing to anyone. I'm sorry you don't think anyone has paid enough attention, insinuating some kind of willful ignorance. ::sigh:: This place really just does not change.
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Post by basketdiva on Sept 26, 2017 16:02:11 GMT
Then, again, you aren't paying enough attention or looking for the answers. I know that several of the Seahawks have met with local leaders and police to talk about this subject and look for solutions. I can't speak for what other people on other teams are doing.
And it's comments like this that are not helping the issues. I do pay attention and do look for information.
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 26, 2017 16:04:23 GMT
Sadly, I guess I knew that no one would hear any other side or try to hear the reasons for the issue with using the flag not in their protest. Or that you'd try to see that there is confusion in genuflecting and saying that it is to NOT be respectful. I don't understand how that isn't confusing to anyone. I'm sorry you don't think anyone has paid enough attention, insinuating some kind of willful ignorance. ::sigh:: This place really just does not change. How did the Cowboys kneeling before the anthem use the flag? |
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 26, 2017 16:08:06 GMT
Then, again, you aren't paying enough attention or looking for the answers. I know that several of the Seahawks have met with local leaders and police to talk about this subject and look for solutions. I can't speak for what other people on other teams are doing.And it's comments like this that are not helping the issues. I do pay attention and do look for information. That's your opinion. I think willful ignorance doesn't help the issue. But that's my opinion. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 26, 2017 16:15:57 GMT
 ETA: And really, when is it ok for people to protest? I guess only in the privacy of your home where no one who might be offended can see or hear you. We have a protected right to protest...protected against government retribution. There is no guarantee that protestors will be protected from other people/institutions/etc and how the protest makes them feel. Private companies retain the right to dismiss Neo-Nazi's they discover within their ranks after they've marched in whatever town they live, same is true with other topics. People in our country have the freedom to associate or dissociate from others whom they do or don't agree with and that includes professionally. The only guarantee is protection from our government...can't be arrested for speaking our minds unless that speech includes threats of violence. I swear to God, this generation is a bunch of pansies. So many different people, so many different points of view and guess what? People are entitled to their own points of view...they are not entitled to run rough-shod over the rights of others. I think this political cartoon best sums it up for me:  |
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 26, 2017 16:19:34 GMT
(Secret message to basketdiva...is there any way you could use the quote feature? I was confused as hell reading your posts initially because it looks like you are emphasizing your own words  ) |
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Post by Anna*Banana on Sept 26, 2017 17:48:38 GMT
ETA: And really, when is it ok for people to protest? I guess only in the privacy of your home where no one who might be offended can see or hear you. We have a protected right to protest...protected against government retribution. There is no guarantee that protestors will be protected from other people/institutions/etc and how the protest makes them feel. Private companies retain the right to dismiss Neo-Nazi's they discover within their ranks after they've marched in whatever town they live, same is true with other topics. People in our country have the freedom to associate or dissociate from others whom they do or don't agree with and that includes professionally. The only guarantee is protection from our government...can't be arrested for speaking our minds unless that speech includes threats of violence. I swear to God, this generation is a bunch of pansies. So many different people, so many different points of view and guess what? People are entitled to their own points of view...they are not entitled to run rough-shod over the rights of others. I think this political cartoon best sums it up for me: I did not say that. You need to check and not misquote me. |
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Post by Anna*Banana on Sept 26, 2017 17:52:59 GMT
All the arguing has started all over again ... this time about whether kneeling during the anthem is heinous or righteous. Most of the people flapping their jaws never spent a day in the military but feel free to tell others what they should and shouldn’t do. If they are so righteous about military service, why didn’t they serve? And really, when is it ok for people to protest? I guess only in the privacy of your home where no one who might be offended can see or hear you. As you can see, this is from the OP, MizIndependent, I did not say that. Please correct your post. |
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Post by Anna*Banana on Sept 26, 2017 18:21:20 GMT
I can see she's not going to correct her misquoting of me.  |
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Post by basketdiva on Sept 26, 2017 18:54:15 GMT
Then, again, you aren't paying enough attention or looking for the answers. I know that several of the Seahawks have met with local leaders and police to talk about this subject and look for solutions. I can't speak for what other people on other teams are doing.And it's comments like this that are not helping the issues. I do pay attention and do look for information. That's your opinion. I think willful ignorance doesn't help the issue. But that's my opinion. I'm taking the high road and thinking you are talking not about me personally since you don't know me, but the people in general. With that I am out of this discussion. |
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 26, 2017 19:29:17 GMT
You know what is disrespectful to veterans? Dodging the draft, insulting POWs, insulting a Gold Star family, and a government official using veterans to try and squelch free speech and dodge racial injustice protests.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2017 19:32:26 GMT
You know what is disrespectful to veterans? Dodging the draft, insulting POWs, insulting a Gold Star family, and a government official using veterans to try and squelch free speech and dodge racial injustice protests. Yes!!! Where oh where was the conservative outrage then? |
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Post by melanell on Sept 26, 2017 19:36:11 GMT
No kidding! I'm starting to wonder the same thing.
Of course, then we add to it the fact that so many people just keep recycling sound bites or article headlines without even trying to read up on what they are complaining on FB about. Recently someone I know copied & pasted something a friend of his "found on the internet", saying "I don't know if it's true, but...". If you don't know if it's true, here's an idea---don't keep sharing it!! Ugh!
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. I liked when my friend posted that just because you read something on FB that you can move past without replying and that is what I am practicing.
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