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Post by paniolobrits on Oct 18, 2017 19:35:03 GMT
So please enlighten me.... since when is it a bad thing to get a purebred dog from a reputable breeder? I have been involved in various aspects of performance with my breed (obedience, conformation, hunt tests, field trials, AKC good citizen) for 30 years. In that time, I can honestly say that the majority of breeders I know/have known in this and many other breeds take the utmost care in doing their best to improve/protect the breeds.
I think organizations like HSUS and PETA have run PR campaigns (funded by LOTS of $$ donated by well-meaning but ill-informed people) to vilify breeders. Many of these so-called "rescues" have turned into de facto pet shops--making a profit off of animals that have not been properly vetted nor temperament-tested.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 18, 2017 19:41:14 GMT
Well to answer your question, it's because there are a few very bad people in this world who use larger dogs for drug mules and others who torture and kill smaller dogs as well as cats. Unfortunately.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 18, 2017 19:46:08 GMT
So please enlighten me.... since when is it a bad thing to get a purebred dog from a reputable breeder? I have been involved in various aspects of performance with my breed (obedience, conformation, hunt tests, field trials, AKC good citizen) for 30 years. In that time, I can honestly say that the majority of breeders I know/have known in this and many other breeds take the utmost care in doing their best to improve/protect the breeds. I think organizations like HSUS and PETA have run PR campaigns (funded by LOTS of $$ donated by well-meaning but ill-informed people) to vilify breeders. Many of these so-called "rescues" have turned into de facto pet shops--making a profit off of animals that have not been properly vetted nor temperament-tested. I think many people outside dog sports/performance events don't understand there are reputable/responsible breeders. They just hear all the negative from PETA/HSUS and don't understand the difference. They just jump on the anti breeder bandwagon without thinking about the bigger picture or understanding more then what they are hearing from anti pet organizations. Luckily, I rarely hear people within the dog community bashing breeders. There is outcry against puppy mills and backyard breeders, but not responsible breeders that health test/title/etc their breeding dogs.
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 18, 2017 20:00:16 GMT
We went through a local shelter. Maybe that's a choice? (probably someone said that but I'm not in the mood to read three pages, lol). We did have to fill out an application but I guess our answers were good because we never heard anything to the contrary. They did require that everyone who would be living in the house with the dog had to come to the shelter together to meet the dog. That was fine because it was just the four of us.
We had to have a home visit but honestly I'm not sure what that was for because she never moved off the couch. She asked us questions, we answered, and she left. It was kind of funny actually because that upcoming home visit prompted us to do a few things we'd been putting off. For instance, we'd pulled up carpet in the basement and along one wall we still have the cardboard strips with the tacks sticking up out of them. It was not in any place that the kids would step in them but we weren't so sure about a dog. We figured the inspection person would give us a demerit for that so we finally (after talking about doing it for weeks, lol) pulled out the tacks.
Otherwise it was easy. They required a vet visit within five days and they had a list of vets ready to give people who didn't have one. These were vets who had agreed to give a free checkup to any shelter animal.
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Post by mimi3566 on Oct 18, 2017 20:17:50 GMT
WE have several high kill shelters that are run by the county and are very easy to adopt dogs and cats from. I'm surprised you're having a hard time.
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Post by Patter on Oct 18, 2017 20:36:23 GMT
So please enlighten me.... since when is it a bad thing to get a purebred dog from a reputable breeder? I have been involved in various aspects of performance with my breed (obedience, conformation, hunt tests, field trials, AKC good citizen) for 30 years. In that time, I can honestly say that the majority of breeders I know/have known in this and many other breeds take the utmost care in doing their best to improve/protect the breeds. I think organizations like HSUS and PETA have run PR campaigns (funded by LOTS of $$ donated by well-meaning but ill-informed people) to vilify breeders. Many of these so-called "rescues" have turned into de facto pet shops--making a profit off of animals that have not been properly vetted nor temperament-tested. I think many people outside dog sports/performance events don't understand there are reputable/responsible breeders. They just hear all the negative from PETA/HSUS and don't understand the difference. They just jump on the anti breeder bandwagon without thinking about the bigger picture or understanding more then what they are hearing from anti pet organizations. Luckily, I rarely hear people within the dog community bashing breeders. There is outcry against puppy mills and backyard breeders, but not responsible breeders that health test/title/etc their breeding dogs. Agree with you both! I only know responsible breeders but definitely saw the non-properly vetted non temerament-tested rescue! Really sad but we have also had dogs for 28 years so we know the breeders that are truly trying to protect the breed. I wish people understood the difference between that and puppy mills/backyard breeders.
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Post by paniolobrits on Oct 18, 2017 22:38:17 GMT
Dedicated breeders invest many years studying pedigrees/genetics, and do their best to improve the health/quality of the animals. They also invest lots of $$ and time for the love of the breed. A good breeder will mentor newbies and become a lifelong friend and trusted resource.
When you think about it, who else will protect the breeds from extinction? There always seems to be a huge public outcry over spotted owls or salamanders or whatever the species of the moment is, but who's looking out for the dogs? Many people don't have the lifestyle, funds, space requirements or dedication to nurture breeds that have been developed through the centuries to play a particular role in helping humans. If not for dedicated breeders, these dogs may disappear.
And finally, isn't it better to research what breed best fits your family/lifestyle so you have a better match? It irks me that shelters play on our emotions to "rescue" animals that may/may not be properly vetted (read: quarantined for up to 5-6 weeks to pass incubation periods for certain diseases) or not properly temperament tested resulting in a dog that ends up biting a member of its new family, thereby dooming the dog to euthanasia.
As in all areas of life, there are some bad apples but I firmly believe that the good far outweigh the bad. If you're looking for a dog, start with the National Breed Clubs and Rescue Organizations. Go to a local show and talk to breeders to learn if puppies or older dogs are available. You wouldn't buy a car without researching to see if it fits your lifestyle, needs and budget -- why gamble on a living thing?
Finally, an animal is for "life", not just a passing fancy. There! I'm officially off my soapbox!
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Post by wezee on Oct 18, 2017 22:49:02 GMT
I know ridiculous! Take a look at Tracy's Dogs.
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Post by paniolobrits on Oct 18, 2017 23:12:49 GMT
I know ridiculous! Take a look at Tracy's Dogs. Wow, so you just show up and get your dog without ever having had time to acclimate and see if this is going to be the right "fit"?! Sounds like as long as you come across with the money, they really don't care.
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Post by msdintz on Oct 19, 2017 1:38:08 GMT
Both times we wanted a dog we just put the word out and were so lucky to be able to adopt first an amazing lab mix who was an awesome member of our family for 11 1/2 years and then more recently a boxer mix who is the love of my life.. we have been very lucky. Just friends of friends who happened to know people who had puppies for adoption. Not sure we would have passed the “ rescue test “but we love and care for our dogs!
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Post by wezee on Oct 19, 2017 2:27:13 GMT
I know ridiculous! Take a look at Tracy's Dogs. Wow, so you just show up and get your dog without ever having had time to acclimate and see if this is going to be the right "fit"?! Sounds like as long as you come across with the money, they really don't care. Not all rescues are the same. I should have added an experience that my daughter had. She saw a dog on a local rescue page She was told he was a golden doodle. When she got there they said "actually he not a golden doodle" "He's some sort of retriever mix. "We just say that so people will come in, people really love golden doodles" She really didn't care what he was. After a home study and observing her children with other dogs, she was approved. She was never informed that he had extreme food aggression. She went to her vet to see what she could do to help him. After working with the dog, the vet suggested that she return him to the rescue. He was in need professional help. She had become attached and hated to return him but she couldn't take a chance of him biting the her kids. When she to adopt another dog she was denied because she returned the first dog. Seriously? They were the ones that were not totally honest. Even the vet said he needed advanced training. Mind you her vet, her groomer and trainer provided her with a letters of recommendations, she is a stay at home mom with a fenced in yard. Plus they had approved her the first time. So what's the problem? Honestly, if three recommendations, home study, and watching her kids interact with dogs isn't enough... what is? Sadly, they do a lot of fund raising, but adopt out very few dogs. I believe this rescue is just in it for the money. Tracy's Dogs is amazing. They should be the type of rescue that all rescues should be. Look them up on Facebook.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 19, 2017 3:27:36 GMT
I just looked at the Tracy's dog process and I would never get a dog that way. There is something about meeting the dog and spending a little time with the dog that I think you need before handing over cash.
Our local pound usually has only chi, pits, and other dogs many don't want, but they do have others.
We looked online at a lot shelters around us and went to three, one in another state and one 2.5 hours away.
We lucked out and must have seen our new pup as she was out out for adoption, she is a little bigger than we were looking for, but she is part of the family now.
Id keep looking.
Our shelters you take the animal home the day you adopt them as long as they have been spayed or neutered.
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Post by bwife on Oct 21, 2017 4:44:36 GMT
Too bad you are so far away from me OP. We have the cutest little Chi mix we need to adopt out. I so wish we could keep him. DH found him as a stray walking with some neighbor kids to school. DH stopped them knowing it was not their dog and brought him into our house before the kids made it out to the main road with him, where he would of likely been hit by a car. We posted all over FB, neighborhood web pages and called the local animal shelter several times over the next week. No one was looking for this cutie. DH had a feeling that he might of come from this house around the corner from us so he stopped by there one day. Sure enough, it was their pup. But they didnt want him. So he has been hanging with us to see how he does. I didnt want to adopt him out to someone right away without knowing much about him. I dont want the next family to give up on him as fast as the 1st family did. Turns out he is pretty great! So now we are going to work on finding him a family to love him as much as he deserves to be loved. I also would like to mention, we also foster for a rescue ( a big dog rescue) and while their application seems intimidating, they are really not that hard pressed about all of the rules. If you have not had a pet before, You can usually put that on your application. I know that the application for this particular rescue asks all kind of crazy questions ( I have adopted from them 2xs) but we have also fostered a few dogs that went to 1st time homes. So it is possible that while they ask all of those questions, you dont have to meet all of the criteria. The best thing to do for 1st timers, is to make sure you send the rescue an email when you send the application. Tell them a little bit about yourself, your family and your home and why you are looking to add another ( or 1st time) pup to your family. it really helps.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 5:33:39 GMT
Not sure why you are totally against breeders. I got my standard poodle from a breeder. The mother was two years old, having her first litter. There have been no litters since. I also have a rescue and was surprised when she came, met my other dogs and me and boom! We had a puppy! I had been refused by other rescues! Because of breeders like my sil. She is filthy and doesn't care properly for her dogs. She is worse than a puppy mill
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