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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 28, 2017 22:24:30 GMT
I suspect that you have never been in debilitating pain and I hope that you never will be in that kind of pain. For many, it isn't a mind over matter option and eating the right foods, exercise, or a healthy lifestyle isn't going to fix the pain. I can't remember what it was for but I was prescribed some type of pain liquid with a popular name... codeine I think it was? I didn't take it for long though and I think it was after going through some type of procedure. It was a while ago. It's true I do live in a world where I look for natural healing methods. My leg was hurting at work bad enough to where I found it hard to walk right. When I took my break and put my leg up, it was still hurting even when I didn't walk on it. So I looked into some inner healing guidance, like which leg it was (right (masculine side, or left (feminine)... it was the right, and what legs do for us in life... they help us move forward. And the sensation was happening at work so I put it all together and came back from my break with a different approach to my masculine side of moving forward with confidence to the obstacles that work has dealt me (as well as express why I didn't feel confident about it a little there and a lot when I came back home, how it was unfair and getting all that out) and I came back home pain free. And it's not that I avoid looking for instant ways to relieve pain. Yes I can have sinus pain and shoo away the sudafed and go for something I feel my body will be more comfortable with. It was horrible yesterday. I was at a dinner with boy-friend and his coworkers and was miserable with the sinus pressure, upset stomach and drowsiness. I even went to a nearby holistic healing products place to put some peppermint oil on my temples. It usually does the trick but not this time. When I put this earth-pad on my forehead I think it weirded boy-friend out so he suggested that I go next door and pick up some of the jalepeno chips he always gets. (I tried them just the other day and they were very throat burning spicy) I ate about 3 chips and the pain was gone. But that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the emotional part of it. Which I'm still exploring. Please understand that when you say things like this, you are trivializing those who are in acute pain daily. Not sinus pressure, not a weird leg cramp. Pain. From injury, from nerves, from disease or illness. If it really was as simple as eating 3 spicy chips or simply willing away the pain, don't you think people would do that instead of taking a pill? I'm all for holistic medicine and I do think there is often a mind-body connection with illness and pain to a certain degree. I do think it can work for some kinds of illnesses and diseases. Eating a spicy chip is a good example of this--your sinuses reacted to the spice and began to run, easing the congestion. And I do think these pains are good examples of how you can help your body without the use of drugs. But sadly, it's not the only component for so many that live with chronic pain. If physical injury was done to the body, it's pretty much impossible for the mind to simply cure it. To imply that MellyW, MsKnit, Birukitty, Lexica, and others aren't strong enough to use their mind to cure their pain is just kicking them when they are down and being so honest sharing their stories.
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 29, 2017 2:40:25 GMT
So in answer to the main question here, I have never ever felt a high feeling from taking any of my pain medications. I wondered if it was because they were doing an actual job in my body, therefore I felt no high Same here. The only pain meds my doctor will prescribe is Tramadol. It gives me horrible vertigo. Wake me out of sleep vertigo. I'll take the pain. Otherwise, I have to "learn to deal with it." I am physically, mentally, and emotionally exhausted from dealing with it. If I don't move very slow after taking Tramadol I will have the same problem. Or I can get migraines. Have you tried taking tylenol with Tramadol? The P.A. of the neurosurgeon I went to said there is a prescription out there (with the two drugs and it is not generic) that works much better than Tramadol alone. Because it is so expensive, most doctors don't prescribe it to patients. I went through two and a half months of excruciating pain, a surgery, 1 follow up appointment, and it wasn't until the second appointment I was given this information. I didn't take Percocet until about 2 weeks before my back surgery and I could not believe the difference! It didn't give me a high. I can't say it helped the pan, but it helped me sleep. I don't have a chronic condition, but I have worries about it getting worse later on. I was told I have early onset arthritis in my back and there's a few other issues with it still. I'm much better now but do worry when the meds run out. My son (special needs) is physically demanding and unpredictable. I understand what you said about having a plan. I tried various things for over two years. If surgery had been denied, I don't know what I would have done. I understand there is an opiate problem, but I also hate the way people are treated that do need them to function.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 2:45:07 GMT
I suspect that you have never been in debilitating pain and I hope that you never will be in that kind of pain. For many, it isn't a mind over matter option and eating the right foods, exercise, or a healthy lifestyle isn't going to fix the pain. I can't remember what it was for but I was prescribed some type of pain liquid with a popular name... codeine I think it was? I didn't take it for long though and I think it was after going through some type of procedure. It was a while ago. It's true I do live in a world where I look for natural healing methods. My leg was hurting at work bad enough to where I found it hard to walk right. When I took my break and put my leg up, it was still hurting even when I didn't walk on it. So I looked into some inner healing guidance, like which leg it was (right (masculine side, or left (feminine)... it was the right, and what legs do for us in life... they help us move forward. And the sensation was happening at work so I put it all together and came back from my break with a different approach to my masculine side of moving forward with confidence to the obstacles that work has dealt me (as well as express why I didn't feel confident about it a little there and a lot when I came back home, how it was unfair and getting all that out) and I came back home pain free. And it's not that I avoid looking for instant ways to relieve pain. Yes I can have sinus pain and shoo away the sudafed and go for something I feel my body will be more comfortable with. It was horrible yesterday. I was at a dinner with boy-friend and his coworkers and was miserable with the sinus pressure, upset stomach and drowsiness. I even went to a nearby holistic healing products place to put some peppermint oil on my temples. It usually does the trick but not this time. When I put this earth-pad on my forehead I think it weirded boy-friend out so he suggested that I go next door and pick up some of the jalepeno chips he always gets. (I tried them just the other day and they were very throat burning spicy) I ate about 3 chips and the pain was gone. But that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the emotional part of it. Which I'm still exploring. I would gladly, no I beg you , please take on the pinched nerves from the blown discs and crumbling vertibra in my husband's back. When you can fix it with your mind please tell us how. In two months he has gone from climbing ladders to using a cane. And he fell at work because his leg collapsed out from him. He comes home and cries because the pain is so bad. Cries. He will probably need another surgery. So we will get to worry whether it will work....
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Post by scrapaddie on Oct 29, 2017 4:22:03 GMT
To get overly simple. Opioids block pain receptors. So you still have pain you just can't feel it. Now is if you severe trauma with massive swelling a normal dose opioid probably will not work. Because the nerves are being pinched. It's kind of like the old question.... If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 5:06:55 GMT
To get overly simple. Opioids block pain receptors. So you still have pain you just can't feel it. Now is if you severe trauma with massive swelling a normal dose opioid probably will not work. Because the nerves are being pinched. It's kind of like the old question.... If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound? That is where steroids and extra strength NSAIDs come in. Once you get some of the swelling down then the pain relievers can work, then you can start doing other things to start healing.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 29, 2017 5:31:51 GMT
I can't remember what it was for but I was prescribed some type of pain liquid with a popular name... codeine I think it was? I didn't take it for long though and I think it was after going through some type of procedure. It was a while ago. It's true I do live in a world where I look for natural healing methods. My leg was hurting at work bad enough to where I found it hard to walk right. When I took my break and put my leg up, it was still hurting even when I didn't walk on it. So I looked into some inner healing guidance, like which leg it was (right (masculine side, or left (feminine)... it was the right, and what legs do for us in life... they help us move forward. And the sensation was happening at work so I put it all together and came back from my break with a different approach to my masculine side of moving forward with confidence to the obstacles that work has dealt me (as well as express why I didn't feel confident about it a little there and a lot when I came back home, how it was unfair and getting all that out) and I came back home pain free. And it's not that I avoid looking for instant ways to relieve pain. Yes I can have sinus pain and shoo away the sudafed and go for something I feel my body will be more comfortable with. It was horrible yesterday. I was at a dinner with boy-friend and his coworkers and was miserable with the sinus pressure, upset stomach and drowsiness. I even went to a nearby holistic healing products place to put some peppermint oil on my temples. It usually does the trick but not this time. When I put this earth-pad on my forehead I think it weirded boy-friend out so he suggested that I go next door and pick up some of the jalepeno chips he always gets. (I tried them just the other day and they were very throat burning spicy) I ate about 3 chips and the pain was gone. But that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the emotional part of it. Which I'm still exploring. Please understand that when you say things like this, you are trivializing those who are in acute pain daily. Not sinus pressure, not a weird leg cramp. Pain. From injury, from nerves, from disease or illness. If it really was as simple as eating 3 spicy chips or simply willing away the pain, don't you think people would do that instead of taking a pill? I'm all for holistic medicine and I do think there is often a mind-body connection with illness and pain to a certain degree. I do think it can work for some kinds of illnesses and diseases. Eating a spicy chip is a good example of this--your sinuses reacted to the spice and began to run, easing the congestion. And I do think these pains are good examples of how you can help your body without the use of drugs. But sadly, it's not the only component for so many that live with chronic pain. If physical injury was done to the body, it's pretty much impossible for the mind to simply cure it. To imply that MellyW, MsKnit, Birukitty, Lexica, and others aren't strong enough to use their mind to cure their pain is just kicking them when they are down and being so honest sharing their stories. I'm sorry, it wasn't my intent to trivialize anyone. I was just sharing my experience with pain and healing. If I truly believed that those with chronic constant pain couldn't be healed the same way then I'm sure I wouldn't have share this. But I'm in the mindset where I do believe any amount of pain can be healed because it's still energy. And I'm not saying that the importance is the same. I see chronic pain way more important than something like sinus pressure. And I'm also not saying something like: "why haven't that they looked into this or gotten it done?" The type of healings I did for me were a type of energy healing. When it comes to chronic pain I believe energy healing can help. But that sounds like I'm not seeing chronic pain as important when I say that and I'm not meaning it to sound like that. I personally believe that some types of energy healing are extremely powerful when need be. And some may not resonate with it and that's ok. I guess I sometimes lose focus of empathy with always exploring the bigger picture and deeper meaning with everything.
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Post by Lexica on Oct 29, 2017 6:27:43 GMT
I would gladly, no I beg you , please take on the pinched nerves from the blown discs and crumbling vertibra in my husband's back. When you can fix it with your mind please tell us how. In two months he has gone from climbing ladders to using a cane. And he fell at work because his leg collapsed out from him. He comes home and cries because the pain is so bad. Cries. He will probably need another surgery. So we will get to worry whether it will work.... I'm very sorry for your husband's pain. This is where I was before my surgery, and where I seem to be headed yet again. I was warned that my fusing area would try to connect to the discs above and below them, requiring another spinal surgery to fix, and I guess that is what has happened. If you can find a doctor to prescribe the time-released medication that I take, it will change his world. I could not believe how well it works for me. I went from having a discussion with a friend about helping me with a legal suicide in another state to being able to have a life again. I pray your husband can get the same relief. We should not be expected to live in pain! If a doctor told me he wouldn't prescribe what I needed and I tried his suggestion and it didn't work, I'd start looking for another doctor. I didn't know this even existed until the pain management doctor put me on it. World changing difference. I would encourage him to at least ask for it.
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Post by Lexica on Oct 29, 2017 6:43:07 GMT
mymindseyedpea , I can understand how trying to focus healing energy toward your pain would be helpful with a small level of pain. The kind of pain that I experience, and it seems many others on this board do was well, is not the kind of pain you can put your mind to work on. I have had a child, so I know that focus and breathing can help to minimize the pains of labor, but labor was a walk in the park in comparison to my spinal damage pain. I do not mention suicide here lightly. I'm not one to look for the easy way out. The level of pain we are talking about is something you just cannot imagine unless you were to experience it day after day after day. Imagine having a surgery with no anesthesia or pain blockers. I would imagine it would feel like what I experience from my damaged nerves. As life's big joke on me, once they got my spinal pain under control, I was experiencing strange extreme pain that didn't make sense to me. They sent me to multiple doctors who tested me and determined I had fibromyalgia, which is really rather funny to me since opioids will not work for fibro pain. Without my sense of humor, I'd be overwhelmed with it all. In trying to describe the fibro pain intensity, I've described it to friends as having the skin on the bottom of my feet ripped off, and then walking over rock salt. It stings, burns, and is horribly painful. And on those bad days, the spray from my shower puts me in tears. But I know there is no actual damage happening to my body, so that helps me to make myself focus and ignore that pain somewhat successfully, which is something that I cannot do with my spinal pain. Knowing one is my brain tricking me somehow makes it a mind over matter for me, so I can see your point. But there is no way in hell I could use that same technique for my spine pain. It is so much more intense and life altering. So I believe what you are suggesting is possible, and I succeed with the fibro pain, but you need to understand that there are some levels of pain that are so intense that no amount of focus can overcome it. Believe me, if I could do so, I would do so.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 29, 2017 7:28:35 GMT
I can't remember what it was for but I was prescribed some type of pain liquid with a popular name... codeine I think it was? I didn't take it for long though and I think it was after going through some type of procedure. It was a while ago. It's true I do live in a world where I look for natural healing methods. My leg was hurting at work bad enough to where I found it hard to walk right. When I took my break and put my leg up, it was still hurting even when I didn't walk on it. So I looked into some inner healing guidance, like which leg it was (right (masculine side, or left (feminine)... it was the right, and what legs do for us in life... they help us move forward. And the sensation was happening at work so I put it all together and came back from my break with a different approach to my masculine side of moving forward with confidence to the obstacles that work has dealt me (as well as express why I didn't feel confident about it a little there and a lot when I came back home, how it was unfair and getting all that out) and I came back home pain free. And it's not that I avoid looking for instant ways to relieve pain. Yes I can have sinus pain and shoo away the sudafed and go for something I feel my body will be more comfortable with. It was horrible yesterday. I was at a dinner with boy-friend and his coworkers and was miserable with the sinus pressure, upset stomach and drowsiness. I even went to a nearby holistic healing products place to put some peppermint oil on my temples. It usually does the trick but not this time. When I put this earth-pad on my forehead I think it weirded boy-friend out so he suggested that I go next door and pick up some of the jalepeno chips he always gets. (I tried them just the other day and they were very throat burning spicy) I ate about 3 chips and the pain was gone. But that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the emotional part of it. Which I'm still exploring. I understand that you're trying to get into the mindset of someone who lives w/agony every day of their life, but leg pain at work or sinus pressure doesn't begin to cover it. When you are seriously ill or have a chronic pain condition then it devastates your life. You can't live normally or do the things that everyone else does. Meditation and visualization can help you to relax a bit more and I highly recommend them as an adjunct, but honestly, that stuff doesn't touch chronic excruciating pain or severe illness. When your limbs are on fire there isn't enough water to put out that fire. When you are mostly bedridden and/or in a wheelchair you need to do whatever it takes to get out of bed. I have always been adamant that I won't take narcotics, except for surgery recovery. However, that thought is changing as my condition worsens and my doctors tell me that there is nothing more that can be done. In my case, the pain and other symptoms prevent me from getting nutrition. I'm not sure what to do, but I know that I cannot do this much longer. When you're in this position you feel much differently then when you have a leg cramp or virus. That mellyw takes opioids and doesn't feel high might also speak to her level of pain. She's not high, because it is just touching the pain. That's not always the case, but in some instances it is. I've tried oils and holistic treatments for my illness and pain and honestly I just get irritated by the lack of relief. I do acupuncture weekly and if I have a cold or virus it knocks it right out and it does give me some energy and I feel so relaxed. However, it hasn't changed the level of my illness and my western doctors are trying to give me back my life, to no avail. No oil or thought or feeling will cure my very incurable disease. If it were that easy I'd have done it years ago. Hope this helps you to understand why people who need meds must take them. It's not for fun or for kicks. It's so that the day won't be torture. You're right. I do not understand what that's like. I have only explored that on a deeper level where the experience no longer becomes individual. I would believe that if a body is in a chronic constant state of agonizing pain then it is saying the healing is urgent. Like a seed it has grown from an inner disharmony to an outer one with the physical sensation being the last layer. And when only the physical layer is being cared for the deeper layers are still there. This is my insight on it. As for the personal experiences, I know each growth needs to be tended to in different ways, but equally important ones. Maybe my head is in the clouds with believing all of this but this is what they are. You're doctors may say nothing more can be done, and I totally empathize with you on how hard that must be to hear. There is nothing I can say that would even touch on my understanding or respect of what it's like to have chronic pain because it goes beyond words. But personally in my heart I know that no pain or illness can go beyond ways of healing. I'm not trying to make anyone else believe this, I'm just sharing where I'm coming from. This is not to justify anyone or what they are going through.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 29, 2017 7:47:55 GMT
I can't remember what it was for but I was prescribed some type of pain liquid with a popular name... codeine I think it was? I didn't take it for long though and I think it was after going through some type of procedure. It was a while ago. It's true I do live in a world where I look for natural healing methods. My leg was hurting at work bad enough to where I found it hard to walk right. When I took my break and put my leg up, it was still hurting even when I didn't walk on it. So I looked into some inner healing guidance, like which leg it was (right (masculine side, or left (feminine)... it was the right, and what legs do for us in life... they help us move forward. And the sensation was happening at work so I put it all together and came back from my break with a different approach to my masculine side of moving forward with confidence to the obstacles that work has dealt me (as well as express why I didn't feel confident about it a little there and a lot when I came back home, how it was unfair and getting all that out) and I came back home pain free. And it's not that I avoid looking for instant ways to relieve pain. Yes I can have sinus pain and shoo away the sudafed and go for something I feel my body will be more comfortable with. It was horrible yesterday. I was at a dinner with boy-friend and his coworkers and was miserable with the sinus pressure, upset stomach and drowsiness. I even went to a nearby holistic healing products place to put some peppermint oil on my temples. It usually does the trick but not this time. When I put this earth-pad on my forehead I think it weirded boy-friend out so he suggested that I go next door and pick up some of the jalepeno chips he always gets. (I tried them just the other day and they were very throat burning spicy) I ate about 3 chips and the pain was gone. But that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the emotional part of it. Which I'm still exploring. I would gladly, no I beg you , please take on the pinched nerves from the blown discs and crumbling vertibra in my husband's back. When you can fix it with your mind please tell us how. In two months he has gone from climbing ladders to using a cane. And he fell at work because his leg collapsed out from him. He comes home and cries because the pain is so bad. Cries. He will probably need another surgery. So we will get to worry whether it will work.... Oh my gosh your poor hubby I am so sorry he's going through that. The deeper meaning I'm feeling from his experience is hard to share without sounding like "it's no big deal" so I won't go there. I'm guessing though that it was his left leg that clasped because there may be a part of him that is wanting to give in to something and trust in a process that he doesn't have to always worry about being in control over. See what I mean? There's lack of empathy sounding in that.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 29, 2017 8:07:56 GMT
mymindseyedpea , I can understand how trying to focus healing energy toward your pain would be helpful with a small level of pain. The kind of pain that I experience, and it seems many others on this board do was well, is not the kind of pain you can put your mind to work on. I have had a child, so I know that focus and breathing can help to minimize the pains of labor, but labor was a walk in the park in comparison to my spinal damage pain. I do not mention suicide here lightly. I'm not one to look for the easy way out. The level of pain we are talking about is something you just cannot imagine unless you were to experience it day after day after day. Imagine having a surgery with no anesthesia or pain blockers. I would imagine it would feel like what I experience from my damaged nerves. As life's big joke on me, once they got my spinal pain under control, I was experiencing strange extreme pain that didn't make sense to me. They sent me to multiple doctors who tested me and determined I had fibromyalgia, which is really rather funny to me since opioids will not work for fibro pain. Without my sense of humor, I'd be overwhelmed with it all. In trying to describe the fibro pain intensity, I've described it to friends as having the skin on the bottom of my feet ripped off, and then walking over rock salt. It stings, burns, and is horribly painful. And on those bad days, the spray from my shower puts me in tears. But I know there is no actual damage happening to my body, so that helps me to make myself focus and ignore that pain somewhat successfully, which is something that I cannot do with my spinal pain. Knowing one is my brain tricking me somehow makes it a mind over matter for me, so I can see your point. But there is no way in hell I could use that same technique for my spine pain. It is so much more intense and life altering. So I believe what you are suggesting is possible, and I succeed with the fibro pain, but you need to understand that there are some levels of pain that are so intense that no amount of focus can overcome it. Believe me, if I could do so, I would do so. I'm very sorry about the terrible amount of pain you are going through. I'm glad you found you sense of humor to help it a little. I don't really handle intense healing but I have a few friends that do. I'm more comfortable with emotional healing and when the pain gets too intense the physical aspect needs to be addressed before the emotional one. I have eased arthritis in someones hands before where they could move their fingers again but a big part of that was from her believing that it was possible and receiving it openly. That's how I feel a healing like that works. And even though I touched her hands and invited her in, she was the one who healed her hands. I believe we all have a inner healer in us. And I'm not saying anyone who doesn't believe in this type of healing is wrong or anything and I'm not saying that if someone does not believe it then it's their fault. Just like certain ways of healing are not for me, certain ways of healing are not for others. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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Post by katybee on Oct 29, 2017 12:14:17 GMT
I think if you take opioids on a regular, managed basis, the effect of feeling high goes away. Like you build up a tolerance. Which is why addicts need to take more and more to be able to achieve that high. My brother takes opioids all day long, but he never seems high to me. However, a few months ago he was in the hospital because he had a broken arm (from cancer in his bone). They had him on a crazy amount of pain killers – he would fall asleep midsentence, his words were slurred, he slept almost all the time. It was scary…
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 29, 2017 12:56:03 GMT
Definitely not a long term pain situation for me, but I do have a neurological thing where I have been prescribed klonipin in order to attempt to help with some of the symptoms of the thing. What I have been told is that the more I take, the more my body will become used to the side effects-the lack of appetite, the sleepiness, etc. but it will continue to do it's job to take away the issues but I will have to increase the doses I take as my body acclimates to the medication. I imagine that is what continual pain medication is like-your body becomes use to the medication and you are required to take more to do the same thing over time. I will say this...there is NO amount of biofeedback, meditation, or holistic healing methods that will 'fix' neurological damage. It is there, it can't be fixed, it can't be mitigated, it can't be medicated away. The only thing that can be done is live with it (gently) and if you feel like it, take the klonipin so that my life is easier to live. Also, just to add to the discussion, I have been absolutely astounded at the number of people who think that it is okay to ask if they can 'have a couple' or 'buy a few' from me. According to the hip and cool college kids in my life, klonopin or 'k-pins' are a pretty popular and (to interject some humor into the subject) my oldest tells me that if I sell one months prescription, I could pay all my monthly bills and have some left over.
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Post by scrapaddie on Oct 29, 2017 14:16:43 GMT
It's kind of like the old question.... If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound? That is where steroids and extra strength NSAIDs come in. Once you get some of the swelling down then the pain relievers can work, then you can start doing other things to start healing. I have used a lot of nsaids. I was given oxy after my latest surgery. Of 40 pills, I used 4.
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 29, 2017 15:30:30 GMT
People don't realize how chronic pain impacts every bit of your life. And of course, since it's invisible, people kind of don't believe you after a while. It's depressing and gets you down, you lose interest in other things.
I had a headache for 4 years. Doctors didn't even really believe me. Yes, it varied in strength, and sometimes it was relatively mild whereas other times it was utterly debilitating - so compared to most people on here, it wasn't as awful. But it still was always there. When I ultimately got relief (mostly a combination of sinus surgery, recognizing when to take the meds, and acupuncture), it changed my life. I'm slowly getting back to the almost always headache, and just the thought of that is depressing.
I intellectually understood when people talked about chronic pain, but until I experienced it, I didn't understand how your entire life revolves around it.
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Post by scrapmaven on Oct 29, 2017 15:38:40 GMT
You're right. I do not understand what that's like. I have only explored that on a deeper level where the experience no longer becomes individual. I would believe that if a body is in a chronic constant state of agonizing pain then it is saying the healing is urgent. Like a seed it has grown from an inner disharmony to an outer one with the physical sensation being the last layer. And when only the physical layer is being cared for the deeper layers are still there. This is my insight on it. As for the personal experiences, I know each growth needs to be tended to in different ways, but equally important ones. Maybe my head is in the clouds with believing all of this but this is what they are. You're doctors may say nothing more can be done, and I totally empathize with you on how hard that must be to hear. There is nothing I can say that would even touch on my understanding or respect of what it's like to have chronic pain because it goes beyond words. But personally in my heart I know that no pain or illness can go beyond ways of healing. I'm not trying to make anyone else believe this, I'm just sharing where I'm coming from. This is not to justify anyone or what they are going through. What I'm reading in your post is hope and hope is a very good thing to have. Instead of hope I have resolved to give myself some quality of life. It's a huge difference, but it's what's realistic.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 29, 2017 16:41:19 GMT
Definitely not a long term pain situation for me, but I do have a neurological thing where I have been prescribed klonipin in order to attempt to help with some of the symptoms of the thing. What I have been told is that the more I take, the more my body will become used to the side effects-the lack of appetite, the sleepiness, etc. but it will continue to do it's job to take away the issues but I will have to increase the doses I take as my body acclimates to the medication. I imagine that is what continual pain medication is like-your body becomes use to the medication and you are required to take more to do the same thing over time. I will say this...there is NO amount of biofeedback, meditation, or holistic healing methods that will 'fix' neurological damage. It is there, it can't be fixed, it can't be mitigated, it can't be medicated away. The only thing that can be done is live with it (gently) and if you feel like it, take the klonipin so that my life is easier to live. Also, just to add to the discussion, I have been absolutely astounded at the number of people who think that it is okay to ask if they can 'have a couple' or 'buy a few' from me. According to the hip and cool college kids in my life, klonopin or 'k-pins' are a pretty popular and (to interject some humor into the subject) my oldest tells me that if I sell one months prescription, I could pay all my monthly bills and have some left over. It is disgusting the number of people who will proposition you for some psychiatric meds. When my alcoholic ex husband started skimming my Seroquel is when I left him. I am sorry for all of you dealing with chronic pain. Your stories are heartbreaking. It's not psychological. And I find that perspective completely dismissive of the real issues. You don't know how much ignorance you deal with when you have mental illness as well. Can't you just control it? I've heard it over and over again. When I start a new drug for my mental illness it's not uncommon for me to at first experience an immediate calm. I just had this sensation recently with a new antipsychotic. But after a few weeks it goes away and then I just feel normal. I have heard pain meds have a similar experience.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 29, 2017 16:47:57 GMT
Please understand that when you say things like this, you are trivializing those who are in acute pain daily. Not sinus pressure, not a weird leg cramp. Pain. From injury, from nerves, from disease or illness. If it really was as simple as eating 3 spicy chips or simply willing away the pain, don't you think people would do that instead of taking a pill? I'm all for holistic medicine and I do think there is often a mind-body connection with illness and pain to a certain degree. I do think it can work for some kinds of illnesses and diseases. Eating a spicy chip is a good example of this--your sinuses reacted to the spice and began to run, easing the congestion. And I do think these pains are good examples of how you can help your body without the use of drugs. But sadly, it's not the only component for so many that live with chronic pain. If physical injury was done to the body, it's pretty much impossible for the mind to simply cure it. To imply that MellyW, MsKnit, Birukitty, Lexica, and others aren't strong enough to use their mind to cure their pain is just kicking them when they are down and being so honest sharing their stories. I'm sorry, it wasn't my intent to trivialize anyone. I was just sharing my experience with pain and healing. If I truly believed that those with chronic constant pain couldn't be healed the same way then I'm sure I wouldn't have share this. But I'm in the mindset where I do believe any amount of pain can be healed because it's still energy. And I'm not saying that the importance is the same. I see chronic pain way more important than something like sinus pressure. And I'm also not saying something like: "why haven't that they looked into this or gotten it done?" The type of healings I did for me were a type of energy healing. When it comes to chronic pain I believe energy healing can help. But that sounds like I'm not seeing chronic pain as important when I say that and I'm not meaning it to sound like that. I personally believe that some types of energy healing are extremely powerful when need be. And some may not resonate with it and that's ok. I guess I sometimes lose focus of empathy with always exploring the bigger picture and deeper meaning with everything. I give up.
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