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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Feb 13, 2018 5:14:20 GMT
You may be 100% right, of course, he may be using the descriptor to exclude. As per the definition you quoted. I am not sure though; sometimes a descriptor is just a statement of historical fact and this may be one of those. South African law had a Roman-Dutch heritage (with Anglo components in Commercial law) and it still does. Many of the commercial laws are increasingly American influenced, some are Eurocentric, and of course we have an African component. It could also be a Freudian slip on JS' part, he has form, after all. Unfortunately he has a history....... Roy Moore(Pedophile?) was running for the Senate seat he gave up in Alabama to become Attorney General... Need I say more? I don't disagree! He definitely has form, far more than we could ever "catch" in this thread. Oh, oh... Here come a whole lot more bunny ears as I try to explain my thoughts. I just want to be fair, rigorous in inquiry, and as I have already brought the Romans into it, above reproach (like Caesar's wife was always required to be) in "our" thread/s, given the tone and divisiveness on the political threads at the moment. I don't believe in giving "the other side" any ammunition, any room for cheap shots. I wanted to flash an amber light. In addition, in your favour, I have no additional info on the person quoted within @fred 's post, whether it was a tweet, part of a longer piece, whatever, which might have made my thoughts redundant.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2018 6:34:47 GMT
I had to look up this definition - “Definition of Anglo-American. 1 : an inhabitant of the U.S. of English origin or descent. 2 : a North American whose native language is English and especially whose culture or ethnic background is of European origin.” So I could understand how “White Nativism” this remark by Jeff Sessions is. Jonathan Jayes-Green.... “Wow. Jeff put it so simple and concise: "The office of Sheriff is a critical part of the Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement.” I was going to agree with ScrapsontheRocks. I have zero love for Jeff Sessions, but I believe this was a reference to the fact that our legal system grew out of the English common law. Not any kind of a racial reference.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 14:27:39 GMT
I pretty much always “listen” to comments on my comments. So I went back and listened to Sessions speech.
I understand what he was going for but coming from him with his history and at this particular point in our country, and as accurate as it may have been, it was a poor choice of words.
IMO he should have left out that term and found a better way of phrasing the foundations of our laws.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 13, 2018 15:04:20 GMT
From the article, glad I looked at it again, I had misunderstood what I had read before. This is a quote: "But Trump's proposal would require people who receive at least $90 a month from the program to get about half of their benefits in the form of a “USDA food package,” rather than by purchasing the food themselves, NPR reported." So I guess half, who knows what they will be doing? Oh wait, bet you mean the value of the box... more who knows? I mean if they say, "This can of chicken is valued at $3. And this box of healthy cereal is $4.50," the box will have a lot less in it than if a person can go find the very best value for their food stamp buck. Correct. have to go back and fix the cereal... the article says ready to eat........ so no oatmeal... Hummmm
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Post by scrapsotime on Feb 13, 2018 15:08:32 GMT
Here we go.............. White House wants to deliver food to the poor, Blue Apron-styleby Tami Luhby @luhby February 12, 2018: 7:49 PM ET Instead of receiving all their food stamp funds, households would get a box of food that the government describes as nutritious and 100% grown and produced in the U.S. The so-called USDA America's Harvest Box would contain items such as shelf-stable milk, juice, grains, cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans, canned meat, poultry or fish, and canned fruits and vegetables. The box would be valued at about half of the SNAP recipient's monthly benefit. The remainder of their benefits would be given to them on electronic benefit cards, as before. The administration didn't detail exactly how families would receive the food boxes, saying states could distribute them through existing infrastructure, partnerships or directly to residences through delivery services. Consumer advocates, however, questioned whether the federal government could save that much money by purchasing and distributing food on its own. Also, they were concerned that families would not know what food they would get in advance nor have any choice regarding what they receive. Plus, it could be difficult for families to pick up the box, especially if they don't have a car. More at link! money.cnn.com/2018/02/12/news/economy/food-stamps-box-blue-apron/index.htmlCanned meats, shelf stable milk.... Preservatives? Canned Veggie, Canned Fruits in sugary syrup? Pre-package cereal? Tough for someone with a walker to caring boxes... Mom with a couple of kids.... what fun! The other half you can buy what you need. I am diabetic and don't eat cereal, pasta, canned fruit, juice or most grains. I also can't stand peanut butter and don't drink milk. Someone like me would get mostly food that they couldn't use.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 13, 2018 15:14:13 GMT
And can we just talk about dignity for a minute? When you are poor enough to receive food stamps, sometimes food choice is your only splurge. Sometimes it's the only "fun" thing you can give your kid. Like when you can buy that bag of Mallow Blasters at the Dollar Tree, and your three year old calls it Lucky Charms anyway, and tells you you are his favorite because you can give in to a fun choice instead of having to say no (again). Yes to the 'treats'. Again you would still have half to spend, hopefully for some fresh veggies and fruit...... Speaking of Dollar Tree, I have seen people buy piles of the frozen items, mac & cheese etc..... They even sell small steaks... I will say many moons ago I did get the 5 pound block of cheese, butter and dried eggs(which were to really good). Had a friend with a deli and they sliced 1/2 the cheese for me.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 13, 2018 15:17:58 GMT
I am diabetic and don't eat cereal, pasta, canned fruit, juice or most grains. I also can't stand peanut butter and don't drink milk. Someone like me would get mostly food that they couldn't use. Absolutely correct... It is proposed, hopefully will not be enacted. Although for a family, a box of everyday staples might be good once in a while, including spices as well as Flour, Sugar, etc........
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 13, 2018 15:19:53 GMT
Sure, there's no way this could go wrong! /sarcasm So what happens when people have their box stolen? And if half the food stamp benefits are used for the box, who determines the value of half? There are "day old" stores all over my neighborhood, where people can buy boxed food that is within a few months of expiration, but still good, for 50 cents a box.
You can sometimes buy a case of yogurt (still fresh) for $1. Produce and sliced bread for pennies on the dollar what you would pay in a regular grocery store. If the government wants to go back to waiting in line for government cheese, then just say it outright. Don't try to doll it up like you are doing the poor a favor. When I was growing up, we shopped at stores like that all the time. My dad had a good job, but there were EIGHT kids in my family so feeding a family of ten on a budget was a challenge. I swear my mom knew every discount, day old and scratch and dent store there was and had a regular circuit where she would shop different stores on certain days because she could get even better deals. The woman could pinch a penny until it bled and cried for mercy! What she couldn’t buy at those places we either grew ourselves in her back yard garden or she made it herself from scratch. We didn’t eat a lot of prepackaged food other than breakfast cereal. Going to the regular grocery store was a pretty rare occurrence and we remembered it because the ladies in the bakery would always give us a cookie. My one brother still shops at the few places like that that are still around pretty regularly, just because it’s so much cheaper.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 16:02:22 GMT
Jon Lovett...
“Proposing that we cut food stamps and ship a box of government canned goods to poor families to save money right after they pass a $1.5 trillion tax cut for corporations and the wealthy is so vulgar and obvious I don’t know what to say.”
He’s right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 16:23:00 GMT
linkFrom the US Intelligence World Threat Assessment. This should make your day especially since we have Elmer Fudd occupying the Oval Office when he isn’t playing golf. Competition among countries will increase in the coming year as major powers and regional aggressors exploit complex global trends while adjusting to new priorities in US foreign policy. The risk of interstate conflict, including among great powers, is higher than at any time since the end of the Cold War. The most immediate threats of regional interstate conflict in the next year come from North Korea and from Saudi- Iranian use of proxies in their rivalry. At the same time, the threat of state and nonstate use of weapons of mass destruction will continue to grow. Adversaries and malign actors will use all instruments of national power—including information and cyber means—to shape societies and markets, international rules and institutions, and international hot spots to their advantage. China and Russia will seek spheres of influence and to check US appeal and influence in their regions. Meanwhile, US allies’ and partners’ uncertainty about the willingness and capability of the United States to maintain its international commitments may drive them to consider reorienting their policies, particularly regarding trade, away from Washington.
Forces for geopolitical order and stability will continue to fray, as will the rules-based international order. New alignments and informal networks—outside traditional power blocs and national governments—will increasingly strain international cooperation. Tension within many countries will rise, and the threat from Sunni violent extremist groups will evolve as they recoup after battlefield losses in the Middle East. Slow economic growth and technology-induced disruptions in job markets are fueling populism within advanced industrial countries and the very nationalism that contributes to tension among countries. Developing countries in Latin America and Sub-Saharan Africa face economic challenges, and many states struggle with reforms to tamp down corruption. Terrorists and criminal groups will continue to exploit weak state capacity in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia. Challenges from urbanization and migration will persist, while the effects of air pollution, inadequate water, and climate change on human health and livelihood will become more noticeable. Domestic policy responses to such issues will become more difficult—especially for democracies—as publics become less trusting of authoritative information sources.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 13, 2018 16:25:02 GMT
Sure, there's no way this could go wrong! /sarcasm So what happens when people have their box stolen? And if half the food stamp benefits are used for the box, who determines the value of half? There are "day old" stores all over my neighborhood, where people can buy boxed food that is within a few months of expiration, but still good, for 50 cents a box.
You can sometimes buy a case of yogurt (still fresh) for $1. Produce and sliced bread for pennies on the dollar what you would pay in a regular grocery store. If the government wants to go back to waiting in line for government cheese, then just say it outright. Don't try to doll it up like you are doing the poor a favor. When I was growing up, we shopped at stores like that all the time. My dad had a good job, but there were EIGHT kids in my family so feeding a family of ten on a budget was a challenge. I swear my mom knew every discount, day old and scratch and dent store there was and had a regular circuit where she would shop different stores on certain days because she could get even better deals. The woman could pinch a penny until it bled and cried for mercy! What she couldn’t buy at those places we either grew ourselves in her back yard garden or she made it herself from scratch. We didn’t eat a lot of prepackaged food other than breakfast cereal. Going to the regular grocery store was a pretty rare occurrence and we remembered it because the ladies in the bakery would always give us a cookie. My one brother still shops at the few places like that that are still around pretty regularly, just because it’s so much cheaper. I heard about this plan on the radio this morning, and my immediate thought was heck, no... there are SO many things wrong with enacting a program like this, that people have already listed. Not to mention kitchen facilities (or lack thereof), etc. And what happened to the general idea of Republicans: 'the less government interference the better?' Certainly the government preparing / distributing boxes of food instead of letting people buy their own falls into the category of MORE government oversight / interference, doesn't it?? The Republicans were so up in arms about government running health care when the ACA was proposed, yet they now all of the sudden want to create a new government program for this??
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 13, 2018 16:59:21 GMT
Ok wait, it is his way of punishment ..... He wants American made/grown..... Indians cannot buy rice from home, Mexican cannot buy their choice of food, in other words 'brown' people cannot buy their choice of foods, you know like Spanish foods....... We sure don't grow Plantains or even bananas.... (just know I am sitting here shaking that I still have to write 'brown' people........)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 17:54:36 GMT
From your mouth.....Teddy.
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Post by peasquared on Feb 13, 2018 17:58:33 GMT
Another thing... How's this going to play out for moms with super picky eaters? Ever go to the pediatrician with a kid naturally underweight, and they tell you to let them eat what they want, within reason? So your box of peanut butter, and veggies and beans and shelf stable milk is taking half hour food stamp benefits, but your kid hates it all. Great. Not to mention people with allergies. This is just ridiculous!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 18:00:14 GMT
Wonder if America will wake up to the con that makes the rich richer and makes the needy needier.
I have my doubts.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2018 18:02:27 GMT
I pretty much always “listen” to comments on my comments. So I went back and listened to Sessions speech. I understand what he was going for but coming from him with his history and at this particular point in our country, and as accurate as it may have been, it was a poor choice of words. IMO he should have left out that term and found a better way of phrasing the foundations of our laws. Now that I can totally get onboard with.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 13, 2018 18:14:34 GMT
From your mouth.....Teddy. Here is hoping! I felt awful yesterday and missed my chance to see Beto in my town, am so glad he lives streams his town halls on Facebook. Reminder for Texas peas, early voting starts February 20th. I have learned my lesson with depression, but it's something for everyone to consider; I never know how I am going to feel and what I'm going to be capable of the day of the election so I *must* take advantage of early voting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 18:25:26 GMT
Ken Dilanian...
“Sen. Jack Reed just got FBI Director Wray and other intel chiefs to admit that the president has never asked them to focus on or disrupt Russian election meddling.”
And then there was this from “Justice is Served”
“After this intelligence Community just told us that they are being blocked from protecting our country why is Tom Cotton asking about the Steele dossier? Which has nothing to do with protecting our country from foreign adversaries.”
The sad part is Congressfolks like Cotton And Nunes are doing such a disservice to this country in protecting trump’s ass.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 13, 2018 18:48:06 GMT
Ken Dilanian... “Sen. Jack Reed just got FBI Director Wray and other intel chiefs to admit that the president has never asked them to focus on or disrupt Russian election meddling.” I wish I could find more on this. So far, I can only find One article (from Vox) saying that it was during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing and had a quote from Wray that he was "not specifically directed by the President." But nothing from other Intel Chiefs. Hopefully there will be more reports available soon.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 13, 2018 19:22:32 GMT
When I was growing up, we shopped at stores like that all the time. My dad had a good job, but there were EIGHT kids in my family so feeding a family of ten on a budget was a challenge. I swear my mom knew every discount, day old and scratch and dent store there was and had a regular circuit where she would shop different stores on certain days because she could get even better deals. The woman could pinch a penny until it bled and cried for mercy! What she couldn’t buy at those places we either grew ourselves in her back yard garden or she made it herself from scratch. We didn’t eat a lot of prepackaged food other than breakfast cereal. Going to the regular grocery store was a pretty rare occurrence and we remembered it because the ladies in the bakery would always give us a cookie. My one brother still shops at the few places like that that are still around pretty regularly, just because it’s so much cheaper. I heard about this plan on the radio this morning, and my immediate thought was heck, no... there are SO many things wrong with enacting a program like this, that people have already listed. Not to mention kitchen facilities (or lack thereof), etc. And what happened to the general idea of Republicans: 'the less government interference the better?' Certainly the government preparing / distributing boxes of food instead of letting people buy their own falls into the category of MORE government oversight / interference, doesn't it?? The Republicans were so up in arms about government running health care when the ACA was proposed, yet they now all of the sudden want to create a new government program for this?? The whole ‘less government’ thing only matters if you’re rich, white, straight and male. If you fall under any category other than that, you obviously need someone who IS all of those things to tell you what to do and how to live. SMDH.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 13, 2018 19:34:21 GMT
Late to the convo, but what exactly is “shelf-stable” milk?
Is that a fancy euphemism for powdered?
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Post by femalebusiness on Feb 13, 2018 19:52:58 GMT
When I was growing up, we shopped at stores like that all the time. My dad had a good job, but there were EIGHT kids in my family so feeding a family of ten on a budget was a challenge. I swear my mom knew every discount, day old and scratch and dent store there was and had a regular circuit where she would shop different stores on certain days because she could get even better deals. The woman could pinch a penny until it bled and cried for mercy! What she couldn’t buy at those places we either grew ourselves in her back yard garden or she made it herself from scratch. We didn’t eat a lot of prepackaged food other than breakfast cereal. Going to the regular grocery store was a pretty rare occurrence and we remembered it because the ladies in the bakery would always give us a cookie. My one brother still shops at the few places like that that are still around pretty regularly, just because it’s so much cheaper. I heard about this plan on the radio this morning, and my immediate thought was heck, no... there are SO many things wrong with enacting a program like this, that people have already listed. Not to mention kitchen facilities (or lack thereof), etc. And what happened to the general idea of Republicans: 'the less government interference the better?' Certainly the government preparing / distributing boxes of food instead of letting people buy their own falls into the category of MORE government oversight / interference, doesn't it?? The Republicans were so up in arms about government running health care when the ACA was proposed, yet they now all of the sudden want to create a new government program for this?? Yeah well, the extreme right also cry fiscal responsibility and conservative spending and look what they have done to the deficit and borrowing. It is a failed party who lies just to be lying anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 20:53:57 GMT
Gene Sperling...
“This shocking admission comes as:
1) Director of National Intelligence says Russia is interfering in 2018 elections & "US is under attack."
2) 3 top Russian Intel heads had a coordinated meeting in US w/no explanation
3) Trump lawlessly refuses to impose Russia sanctions.”
I still not sure who thought the heads of three of Russia’s Intelligence agencies coming to the US together was a good idea. And how did one of them make it in because there are sanctions against him preventing him from entering this country. And of the three no one is saying who he met with.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 13, 2018 20:58:20 GMT
Gene Sperling... “This shocking admission comes as: 1) Director of National Intelligence says Russia is interfering in 2018 elections & "US is under attack." 2) 3 top Russian Intel heads had a coordinated meeting in US w/no explanation 3) Trump lawlessly refuses to impose Russia sanctions.” I still not sure who thought the heads of three of Russia’s Intelligence agencies coming to the US together was a good idea. And how did one of them make it in because there are sanctions against him preventing him from entering this country. And of the three no one is saying who he met with. So the obvious question is...why here? What could possibly be gained meeting here that couldn't be gained meeting literally anywhere else in the world?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 13, 2018 21:28:29 GMT
Late to the convo, but what exactly is “shelf-stable” milk? Is that a fancy euphemism for powdered? That but could also be liquid 'milk' in boxes. I have friend a who buy that for her DS, lactose issues!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 13, 2018 21:30:25 GMT
1) Director of National Intelligence says Russia is interfering in 2018 elections & "US is under attack." Tillerson says it too.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 13, 2018 22:15:27 GMT
Bingo. I thought threat itself was deterrent enough and the sanctions weren't needed.
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