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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:56:13 GMT
I get that and I do respect it. And had you said it a year ago before he was proven to be a liar, before his actions belied his words last night, that would make sense. But at this point, believing the words that come out of his mouth is foolish. It's flat out refusing to see the truth that is right in front of you. Yep. Wanting to see the best in people is generally an admirable trait. I wonder if donnie and samiam were also eager to see the best in Obama and Hillary. Believe it or not, I did vote for Obama once. Hillary, nope. Trump, nope. After all that's happened over the past year, I still wouldn't change the way I voted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 0:10:36 GMT
I didn't vote for Obama either time. I did try to like him during his first term but grew to dislike him more and more because he was a weak leader, and because of his push for Obamacare--and how that all turned out. I think I would have liked him personally but didn't like him politically. I disliked how he handled (or didn't handle) the mess in Ferguson and several other incidents. As for Hillary, I didn't even like her as the first lady--I didn't like how she treated the ladies that came forward with sexual accusations about her husband and her story about "standing by my man." She stood by him because of her own political aspirations. (In MY opinion) I came to really not like her when she was secretary of State-especially after Benghazi when she lied through her teeth to the American people about the supposed reason behind that event. I didn't vote for her obviously, but I also didn't vote for Trump. I could have voted for Trump and it wouldn't have made any difference because I live in California and knew the electoral votes would go to Hillary no matter who I voted for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 0:11:56 GMT
I'd say stating what I bolded actually is answering the question. What an easy cop-out you have for people to never take responsibility for how they behave. If we aren't allowed (according to you) to question why one behaves a certain way now, if/when they themselves behaved the same way, nobody ever has to be accountable or at least explain why. FFS, these discussions suck. Because of all the people on the right and on the left who are so busy playing games of "you're a hypocrite, no you're a hypocrite" and where was your criticism when your guy/girl did it. I answered you honestly. I hate using death as bargaining chip. I believe it's exploitive. I don't like when Trump does it, and I didn't like it when Dems did it about Obamacare. Screech. That's the conversation coming to a halt. Nobody wants to play with me because hot damn I'm consistent. It's much more fun to derail quality conversation with finger pointing. And then we wonder why people don't want to participate. I wish we could make up a rule where we stuck to debating the present. Because Obama isn't president anymore and Hillary never was. It's over, folks. The past is gone. Let's deal with the present. Eh. The topic is the SOTU. It went in many different directions, and I tend to answer questions directed at me. Your point about the Dreamers was duly noted though.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 1, 2018 0:28:56 GMT
I'm sorry for my post. I'm just frustrated. I read all these political threads and I am just really put off with the way things go.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 1, 2018 0:37:31 GMT
Read the highlights, if you can call them that. Sooooo glad that I didn’t watch the speech.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 1, 2018 0:40:20 GMT
I'm so glad I watched the SOTU address. Reading here, I would have thought you guys watched a different broadcast. What did you think of all the lies he told during the address? You mean where he took credit for what somebody else (Obama) did?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 0:45:58 GMT
What did you think of all the lies he told during the address? You mean where he took credit for what somebody else (Obama) did? No, I don't believe that is what he did at all.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 1, 2018 0:52:08 GMT
You mean where he took credit for what somebody else (Obama) did? No, I don't believe that is what he did at all. Not directly, but he did. The economy is still attributed to the Obama administration, but Trump honestly thinks it's because of him.
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 1, 2018 0:53:37 GMT
My brain just isn't registering that SOTU isn't a different acronym that fairly represents my feelings toward that speech.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 0:55:38 GMT
I don't think everybody got the memo that says we're not allowed to bring up Obama.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 0:57:31 GMT
I don't think everybody got the memo that says we're not allowed to bring up Obama. funny how that works!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 1:18:30 GMT
My brain just isn't registering that SOTU isn't a different acronym that fairly represents my feelings toward that speech. I've been having the same issue.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 1, 2018 5:34:46 GMT
Watchdog requests investigation of Paul Ryan for allowing Trump to use State of the Union feed for fundraisingDavid Edwards DAVID EDWARDS 31 JAN 2018 AT 13:12 The watchdog group Public Citizen on Wednesday requested that the U.S. Congress launch an immediate investigation into Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) after President Donald Trump was allowed to use live video of the State of the Union address to raise funds for his campaign. Rule V of the Rules of the House of Representatives states that the speaker is responsible for administering official broadcasts and recordings of floor proceedings and that these official audio and visual transmissions shall not be used for partisan campaign activities. The State of the Union address was broadcast from the floor of the House, which was then livestreamed on Trump’s reelection campaign Facebook page and Twitter feed. New donors were encouraged to make a campaign contribution in exchange for having their names listed in a crawl at the bottom of the screen. www.rawstory.com/2018/01/watchdog-requests-investigation-paul-ryan-allowing-trump-use-state-union-feed-fundraising/My my my.............
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 11:59:38 GMT
I found Kennedy’s rebuttal uplifting. Didn’t watch the SOTU, but the fact checkers agree that his claims were mostly lies. Who is uplifted by lies? Politifact Fact Check USA TodayAs for his talk of unity - it's bullshit. Plain and simple. This president has made it his business to divide since the day he was elected. Heck, he was elected by appealing to people who think that 'others' are less worthy. And I'm supposed to buy that he suddenly wants bipartisan solutions and to be a president for all Americans? I'd have to be delusional to believe that. In a CBS poll 97% of Republicans liked the speech, as did 72% of Independents, and 43% Democrats. And a total of 80% say Trump was trying to unite the country.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 6, 2018 12:15:10 GMT
Merge, you can think and do what you want. I choose to be optimistic about the future--and that is my prerogative. Have a nice day. But if asked to be specific about what does an “optimistic future” under trump means they cut and run. Exactly! It get too real, really quick!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 6, 2018 12:19:24 GMT
The poll is a hoot. It was based on what he read, that night. His history and actions Based on what trump does daily...of which he’s a known a proven liar, nope, not buying it—80% of Americans (correction, of those polled) did not all of a sudden, change their point of view and allegiance overnight, based on one speech read off a promoter by a known confirmed liar.
And let’s suppose they did, God help us all that it is so easy to sway people based on his lies. (Because he was right back at his usual lying self within a day or so after the SOTU)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 12:32:17 GMT
Nobody said anything about changing their allegiance. The poll stated that 80% found that in his speech he was trying to unite the country. And that includes all parties that watched and were polled.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 6, 2018 20:02:09 GMT
how many people were polled?? 20, maybe, 25?? that's the only way I think he could get such high poll numbers on anything.
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Post by Merge on Feb 7, 2018 3:12:53 GMT
And this is why I and many others were skeptical about the SOTU's calls for unity and working together: Trump's Talk of Unity Replaced by 'Treason' and 'Shutdown'No way he believed for a minute any of the "coming together" stuff his speechwriters wrote for him. Why on earth should Democrats clap for false and empty words? He's shown his true colors this past year.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 7, 2018 3:25:04 GMT
Did Kelly really say "too lazy to get off their asses" holy.crap. What does adding that little tidbit accomplish? Nothing besides pleasing those who would rather we have no immigrants for very obvious reasons.
And I agree completely. Those pretending like they don't understand why the Democratic congressmen didn't clap, and suggesting it's because they wouldn't be happy with any good Trump has done just because of who he is are kidding themselves. It's because he is full of hot air, takes credit for things he is not responsible for, and lies constantly. Based on his past words and actions there was no reason to believe he was being sincere. And not a week out of the gate he is proving those that didn't believe him right.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 7, 2018 3:25:40 GMT
And this is why I and many others were skeptical about the SOTU's calls for unity and working together: Trump's Talk of Unity Replaced by 'Treason' and 'Shutdown'No way he believed for a minute any of the "coming together" stuff his speechwriters wrote for him. Why on earth should Democrats clap for false and empty words? He's shown his true colors this past year. That is what I meant above—that I’d bet that no one, all of a sudden, after that one particular read off a TelePrompTer speech, decided that he was being sincere or truthful since he flip flops more than a fish out of water. I’d love to see the actual question that was asked on the poll. Was the question a yes or no only, and what was it? That might make me change my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 9:13:14 GMT
how many people were polled?? 20, maybe, 25?? that's the only way I think he could get such high poll numbers on anything. "The poll was based on 1,178 interviews conducted on the internet of U.S. residents who watched the State of the Union Address. Panelists were previously interviewed on January 29-30, 2018 to indicate whether they planned to watch the address, and if they were willing to be re-interviewed after the address." -CBS News "Eight in 10 Americans who watched tonight felt that the president was trying to unite the country, rather than divide it, according to CBS News poll." -CBS News
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 9, 2018 9:45:40 GMT
how many people were polled?? 20, maybe, 25?? that's the only way I think he could get such high poll numbers on anything. "The poll was based on 1,178 interviews conducted on the internet of U.S. residents who watched the State of the Union Address. Panelists were previously interviewed on January 29-30, 2018 to indicate whether they planned to watch the address, and if they were willing to be re-interviewed after the address." -CBS News "Eight in 10 Americans who watched tonight felt that the president was trying to unite the country, rather than divide it, according to CBS News poll." -CBS News Maybe he was at that moment. What a shame that the words in his speech were belied by his words, actions, and tweets over the past year. The speech is over. Time will tell if he tries to unite the country. I’m betting no.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 9, 2018 12:07:11 GMT
"The poll was based on 1,178 interviews conducted on the internet of U.S. residents who watched the State of the Union Address. Panelists were previously interviewed on January 29-30, 2018 to indicate whether they planned to watch the address, and if they were willing to be re-interviewed after the address." -CBS News "Eight in 10 Americans who watched tonight felt that the president was trying to unite the country, rather than divide it, according to CBS News poll." -CBS News Maybe he was at that moment. What a shame that the words in his speech were belied by his words, actions, and tweets over the past year. The speech is over. Time will tell if he tries to unite the country. I’m betting no. Exactly. He read a speech written for him. Big whoop. If he wasn’t such a big fat liar, day in and day out, and recanting everything he says all the time, and good things were actually being done, maybe people would believe him. His speech said all the right things. His own words/tweets the next day-nope right back to the real trump. The poll suggested that “he was trying” to unite. And all it was just empty words. And, because it needs to be pointed out— 80% of “1,178 Americans” (or 942 people) is HARDLY indicative of what “America” (as a whole) represents and how they feel. It’s just a sampling of a small-very very small group of people. From the internet. So no knowing really of who the sample people were, for all we know it could be the same person, viewers from a targeted list, bots, or truly individual people.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 9, 2018 16:35:35 GMT
Did Kelly really say "too lazy to get off their asses" holy.crap. What does adding that little tidbit accomplish? Nothing besides pleasing those who would rather we have no immigrants for very obvious reasons. Here you go......... Chief of staff Kelly suggests undocumented immigrants who didn't sign up for DACA were 'too afraid' or 'too lazy' By Veronica Stracqualursi, CNN Updated 7:17 PM ET, Tue February 6, 2018Washington (CNN)White House chief of staff John Kelly suggested Tuesday that some undocumented immigrants were "too afraid" or "too lazy" to sign up for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. "There are 690,000 official DACA registrants and the President sent over what amounts to be two and a half times that number, to 1.8 million," he said on Capitol Hill after meeting with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, according to audio posted by The Washington Post. "The difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say were too lazy to get off their asses, but they didn't sign up," Kelly added.www.cnn.com/2018/02/06/politics/john-kelly-daca-deadline/index.html
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Post by PLurker on Feb 9, 2018 16:54:24 GMT
Eight in 10 Americans who watched tonight felt that the president was trying to unite the country, rather than divide it, according to CBS News poll.
Although I did not see the whole SOTU, just parts- I might agree that the speech was written to try to reflect the above seintiment. The reader of this speech, because of his past (and soon after speech) tweets, comments and actions - not so much.
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Post by femalebusiness on Feb 9, 2018 16:58:42 GMT
"The poll was based on 1,178 interviews conducted on the internet of U.S. residents who watched the State of the Union Address. Panelists were previously interviewed on January 29-30, 2018 to indicate whether they planned to watch the address, and if they were willing to be re-interviewed after the address." -CBS News "Eight in 10 Americans who watched tonight felt that the president was trying to unite the country, rather than divide it, according to CBS News poll." -CBS News Maybe he was at that moment. What a shame that the words in his speech were belied by his words, actions, and tweets over the past year. The speech is over. Time will tell if he tries to unite the country. I’m betting no. All that particular poll says to me is that there are at least 1,178 people in this country that still can't distinguish lies and bullshit from reality. If they truly believe, after all they have witnessed in the last year, that one speech written by some speech writer, means trump is bringing the country together, They just aren't too bright.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 9, 2018 17:47:12 GMT
Americans have ALWAYS had hope for better things to come........ Unfortunately with his actions and words the hope has not lasted long.
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