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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 21:11:40 GMT
My stories:
We ate a lot of fresh store bought beef. More than people in 70's should have. My father was one of those who would go buy cheap booze/cigarettes and exchange those items for steak and roasts he had picked out. I doubt that he ever paid cash for meat. He did all the grocery shopping. Between his trading and five finger discount he spent next to nothing in food. This was how food stamps were sold.
Then I worked with a woman who volunteer to do the government hand out. Once a month she would bring the leftovers in. Huge blocks of NY extra sharp white cheddar cheese, tubs of grade a honey, ten pound bags of flour, sugar , dry milk, once she brought eggs. ( my mother made Mac and cheese with homemade egg noodles). The woman said people would grab their boxes, stop by the door and dump out everything but the sugar , butter and eggs. Sometimes people just don't know what to do with foods they have never used.
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Post by wholarmor on Feb 14, 2018 21:30:48 GMT
I don't think it will be a delivery thing if they do implement it. How much money is that going to cost? A lot more than it would cost for people to choose their own food from the store.
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Post by compwalla on Feb 14, 2018 21:35:44 GMT
My stories: We ate a lot of fresh store bought beef. More than people in 70's should have. My father was one of those who would go buy cheap booze/cigarettes and exchange those items for steak and roasts he had picked out. I doubt that he ever paid cash for meat. He did all the grocery shopping. Between his trading and five finger discount he spent next to nothing in food. This was how food stamps were sold. Then I worked with a woman who volunteer to do the government hand out. Once a month she would bring the leftovers in. Huge blocks of NY extra sharp white cheddar cheese, tubs of grade a honey, ten pound bags of flour, sugar , dry milk, once she brought eggs. ( my mother made Mac and cheese with homemade egg noodles). The woman said people would grab their boxes, stop by the door and dump out everything but the sugar , butter and eggs. Sometimes people just don't know what to do with foods they have never used. Yes, this happened. And this is why they transitioned the SNAP program from physical coupons with a monetary value to a benefit card loaded with a pre-set amount of money. Because people used to trade those coupons for money with which they bought non-food items or they would spend a small amount and receive the rest back in cash which they would then spend on non-food items. This literally cannot happen now. At all. It's not a thing. Grocery store register systems will not allow a person to swipe a SNAP card for non-food items. They have to separate their toilet paper, diapers, cleaning supplies, and anything else you can't eat or that isn't approved (like tobacco or beer) and pay with another form of payment. The number of people who don't understand this is mind-blowing. They form opinions about a program they have zero knowledge of and decide based on a racist article their Fox-watching shitheel cousin posted that somehow people are getting rich off of food stamps. It's ridiculous. It's maddening. And it doesn't seem to matter how many times you explain how SNAP works. They are wholly impervious to actual facts. Jesus Fucking Buttery Christ, I can't even with these people anymore. I just can't.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 14, 2018 21:37:03 GMT
I don't think it will be a delivery thing if they do implement it. How much money is that going to cost? A lot more than it would cost for people to choose their own food from the store. If not a delivery, then they have to figure out distribution centers (and ones that are accessible by people), pay for space/storage, figure out a supply chain of items, how to store them, pack them, distribute them. And figure out how they tailor boxes to different health issues or situations. Honestly, it seems like a lot of added steps and costs when instead people can just go to the store and buy their food. The one advantage I can see is if the government was able to negotiate and get a good bargain on certain staples.
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Post by AmandaA on Feb 14, 2018 21:48:33 GMT
From what little I have seen and heard, there seem to be so many more questions and challenges than problems addressed. But I will say- and I am sure the spreadsheet keepers have me on a die hard liberal GOP hater log- that I at least can respect them trying to revamp a program that doesn't work as efficiently as it should. Is this the answer, probably not. However, I am sure surprised that they just aren't cutting the program all together to let community based charitable organizations fill in the gaping hole that would be left. So while I am not wowed by any means, I at least appreciate an attempt to revamp something. Just because something has been done that way for a long time, doesn't mean it is the best way. Maybe their revamping energies would be better focused on something like oh say... healthcare!?
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Post by AmandaA on Feb 14, 2018 21:55:22 GMT
My stories: We ate a lot of fresh store bought beef. More than people in 70's should have. My father was one of those who would go buy cheap booze/cigarettes and exchange those items for steak and roasts he had picked out. I doubt that he ever paid cash for meat. He did all the grocery shopping. Between his trading and five finger discount he spent next to nothing in food. This was how food stamps were sold. Then I worked with a woman who volunteer to do the government hand out. Once a month she would bring the leftovers in. Huge blocks of NY extra sharp white cheddar cheese, tubs of grade a honey, ten pound bags of flour, sugar , dry milk, once she brought eggs. ( my mother made Mac and cheese with homemade egg noodles). The woman said people would grab their boxes, stop by the door and dump out everything but the sugar , butter and eggs. Sometimes people just don't know what to do with foods they have never used. Yes, this happened. And this is why they transitioned the SNAP program from physical coupons with a monetary value to a benefit card loaded with a pre-set amount of money. Because people used to trade those coupons for money with which they bought non-food items or they would spend a small amount and receive the rest back in cash which they would then spend on non-food items. This literally cannot happen now. At all. It's not a thing. Grocery store register systems will not allow a person to swipe a SNAP card for non-food items. They have to separate their toilet paper, diapers, cleaning supplies, and anything else you can't eat or that isn't approved (like tobacco or beer) and pay with another form of payment. The number of people who don't understand this is mind-blowing. They form opinions about a program they have zero knowledge of and decide based on a racist article their Fox-watching shitheel cousin posted that somehow people are getting rich off of food stamps. It's ridiculous. It's maddening. And it doesn't seem to matter how many times you explain how SNAP works. They are wholly impervious to actual facts. Jesus Fucking Buttery Christ, I can't even with these people anymore. I just can't. Cheating the system just takes more work now. I can tell you that from personal experience. My late sister in law didn't spend a day sober and her kids would get popcorn for dinner. All you have to do is buy the groceries your neighbor wants and then they will use their actual grocery money to buy the liquor you want... at a 2:1 ratio to make the transaction worth their while. I am not suggesting that this is prevalent or common amongst snap recipients. But I can promise you that there are still ways to work around the system and undermine it ... and leaving the other people who need and use it appropriately caught up in the narrative because of people like her.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 14, 2018 22:02:31 GMT
From what little I have seen and heard, there seem to be so many more questions and challenges than problems addressed. But I will say- and I am sure the spreadsheet keepers have me on a die hard liberal GOP hater log- that I at least can respect them trying to revamp a program that doesn't work as efficiently as it should. Is this the answer, probably not. However, I am sure surprised that they just aren't cutting the program all together to let community based charitable organizations fill in the gaping hole that would be left. So while I am not wowed by any means, I at least appreciate an attempt to revamp something. Just because something has been done that way for a long time, doesn't mean it is the best way. Maybe their revamping energies would be better focused on something like oh say... healthcare!? I'll be sure to update my spreadsheet. I don't know all the ins and outs of the SNAP program - what do you think are the inefficiencies or areas for improvement? I also agree with taking another look at programs and seeing if we can do things better. I'm just puzzled that this is the program they are targeting given some of our bigger issues (healthcare, like you mentioned).
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Post by compwalla on Feb 14, 2018 22:16:20 GMT
Yes, this happened. And this is why they transitioned the SNAP program from physical coupons with a monetary value to a benefit card loaded with a pre-set amount of money. Because people used to trade those coupons for money with which they bought non-food items or they would spend a small amount and receive the rest back in cash which they would then spend on non-food items. This literally cannot happen now. At all. It's not a thing. Grocery store register systems will not allow a person to swipe a SNAP card for non-food items. They have to separate their toilet paper, diapers, cleaning supplies, and anything else you can't eat or that isn't approved (like tobacco or beer) and pay with another form of payment. The number of people who don't understand this is mind-blowing. They form opinions about a program they have zero knowledge of and decide based on a racist article their Fox-watching shitheel cousin posted that somehow people are getting rich off of food stamps. It's ridiculous. It's maddening. And it doesn't seem to matter how many times you explain how SNAP works. They are wholly impervious to actual facts. Jesus Fucking Buttery Christ, I can't even with these people anymore. I just can't. Cheating the system just takes more work now. I can tell you that from personal experience. My late sister in law didn't spend a day sober and her kids would get popcorn for dinner. All you have to do is buy the groceries your neighbor wants and then they will use their actual grocery money to buy the liquor you want... at a 2:1 ratio to make the transaction worth their while. I am not suggesting that this is prevalent or common amongst snap recipients. But I can promise you that there are still ways to work around the system and undermine it ... and leaving the other people who need and use it appropriately caught up in the narrative because of people like her. People will commit fraud with any program but the SNAP program is one of the federal programs with the lowest rate of fraud. It works spectacularly well and there is no reason to punish and humiliate the 99.5% of users who follow the rules just because a few people are doing things they ought not to do. I'm not snatching food from a hungry child's mouth based on the .5% of asshole. Nope. I can't morally justify that. The government has made great strides in reducing SNAP fraud. Even when it was "bad" the fraud rate was only about 4 cents on the dollar - 4%. It's now down to a half percent. So the improvement *are* being made. There is no need to revamp something that works this well at the expense of Americans' dignity and privacy. www.fns.usda.gov/pressrelease/2013/fns-001213time.com/4711668/history-food-stamp-fraud/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:23:01 GMT
Where is everyone reading that this program is being introduced to reduce SNAP fraud?
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Post by johnnysmom on Feb 14, 2018 22:23:10 GMT
If they insist on doing something like this I would prefer it be more like the WIC program. At least on that you can get fresh fruits, vegetables and yogurt. I personally, as a diabetic, think the box is too heavy on carbs, sugar and processed stuff. This would make the most sense to me. There would be no shipping/sorting/packaging expenses. People would still have some choices on how their benefits are spent. It could be used on fresh produce/dairy/meat. Yet they could negotiate with farmers/stores/manufacturers to reduce costs.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Feb 14, 2018 22:24:59 GMT
I think that poor people should get to decide what they like to eat the same as rich people. I think there should be some restrictions on expensive items, but in general I think this is demeaning. I also wonder what happens if someone steals the box from the porch, or an animal gets into it, or the recipient is away from home on the day the box is delivered. And what about allergies and other food/dietary restrictions (low sodium, low sugar, etc.)? Will the boxes be customized to allow for the number of people in each household, and the ages of each person? A family with three teenagers will need more food than a family with three toddlers, and will need different food, as well. What about kids who come home from college in the summer, or kids who move from family to family? Or a baby is born? Or when grandma moves in? How long will it take for the government to update the box o' food? I don't even think there should be a restriction on "expensive" food. If someone wants to skew their budget one month in order to splurge for a special occasion, then that's their business. Also, "expensive" food goes on sale just like "cheap" food. I can think of dozens of reasons why a box of food chosen by a government committee is *such* a horrible idea. And I'm absolutely sure that Trump family/cronies own one or more of the companies in this scheme (food suppliers, packaging, shippers, etc.). And before people get all judgey about who receives SNAP, lots of our military are on SNAP because pay at the lower grades is very low. If Trump REALLY wanted to show his gratitude toward the military, he'd trash his plans for the stupid parade and raise military pay. Many, many *working* people receive gov assistance for food because they are under-employed and/or employed at jobs that pay below a living wage. They are not lazy.
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Post by AmandaA on Feb 14, 2018 22:42:12 GMT
Cheating the system just takes more work now. I can tell you that from personal experience. My late sister in law didn't spend a day sober and her kids would get popcorn for dinner. All you have to do is buy the groceries your neighbor wants and then they will use their actual grocery money to buy the liquor you want... at a 2:1 ratio to make the transaction worth their while. I am not suggesting that this is prevalent or common amongst snap recipients. But I can promise you that there are still ways to work around the system and undermine it ... and leaving the other people who need and use it appropriately caught up in the narrative because of people like her. People will commit fraud with any program but the SNAP program is one of the federal programs with the lowest rate of fraud. It works spectacularly well and there is no reason to punish and humiliate the 99.5% of users who follow the rules just because a few people are doing things they ought not to do. I'm not snatching food from a hungry child's mouth based on the .5% of asshole. Nope. I can't morally justify that. The government has made great strides in reducing SNAP fraud. Even when it was "bad" the fraud rate was only about 4 cents on the dollar - 4%. It's now down to a half percent. So the improvement *are* being made. There is no need to revamp something that works this well at the expense of Americans' dignity and privacy. www.fns.usda.gov/pressrelease/2013/fns-001213time.com/4711668/history-food-stamp-fraud/I don't disagree with you at all. People like my late SIL are the poster child for people who oppose the program. Luckily this kind of fraud is rare, but unfortunately it creates a real life example that can be used and spread to try and discredit the program as a whole.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 14, 2018 22:50:13 GMT
If they insist on doing something like this I would prefer it be more like the WIC program. At least on that you can get fresh fruits, vegetables and yogurt. I personally, as a diabetic, think the box is too heavy on carbs, sugar and processed stuff. This would make the most sense to me. There would be no shipping/sorting/packaging expenses. People would still have some choices on how their benefits are spent. It could be used on fresh produce/dairy/meat. Yet they could negotiate with farmers/stores/manufacturers to reduce costs. Participants will be able to buy foods with the half the SAP benefit they receive after the first $90 is set for free use. Therefore if they get. random numbers here, $200 minus $90 = $110 split, half box and half card to spend. At least that is the way I am reading it. Is it worth the effort?Oops... Think I explained that wrong, here is a quote from one of the articles: Households receiving $90 per month or more would get a portion in shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish. The remainder of the benefit would go onto the debit card for use at approved grocery stores. I think I had heard that some Farmer's Markets took the cards, but they are only open toward summer here... But that is transportation needed.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 14, 2018 22:53:16 GMT
We are having a good discussion about this in the Conservative Catch-All thread. You don't have to be conservative to participate -- lots of folks chiming in I have to be honest - after looking at the thread, in no way do I feel welcome over there. Same SaveSave
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Post by melanell on Feb 14, 2018 22:55:22 GMT
I'm concerned about how it could be made customized for the medical/dietary needs of individuals without it being very complicated/expensive. I also have concerns about how it would be made available. On the flip side, as I saw others mention, it could possibly be quite helpful for people in food desert areas...again, though, only as long as it is food they can use distributed in a way in which they can receive it. Otherwise I imagine people trying to trade or sell the food they can't use so that they can go and buy what they actually can/will eat. And of course, if they do that, then people will bitch and moan about how they're selling the food that our tax dollars are providing for them. I've already seen instances where people do this type of thing with the food they receive from WIC. And that's such a small amount of food in comparison to what this would likely be. I knew a very young woman years back that was constantly trying to trade off dried beans. She didn't want them, but didn't want to waste her benefit, and I get that. I know they're not supposed to do that, but I get why they do. Just because a food is healthy and inexpensive doesn't automatically mean that it is going to be useful. If they wanted to try to add some sort of small box on top of current benefits for a short trial run, I'd be okay with that, despite the increase in funding, simply because at least then they could get real feedback from everyone involved to see if it will actually work. But I'd hate to see them cut SNAP benefits first and then have people with nothing to fall back on if these boxes don't work for them.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 14, 2018 22:57:01 GMT
And then we have THIS one: Ariz. lawmaker indicted for alleged food stamp fraud urged to resignUSA TODAY NETWORKAlia Beard Rau, The Arizona Republic Published 6:06 p.m. ET June 27, 2016 PHOENIX — State Democratic leaders are calling on Rep. Ceci Velasquez to resign from the Legislature in the face of criminal charges alleging food stamp fraud. House Minority Leader Eric Meyer, D-Paradise Valley, said that he and the other House Democratic leaders discussed the issue and agreed Velasquez, D-Litchfield Park, should step down. However, the first-term lawmaker did withdraw from her planned re-election bid, filing paperwork late Friday with the Arizona Secretary of State that directs election officials to not print her name on the ballot. Precinct committee members in her westside district will meet Monday to name a replacement for her ballot spot. As of Friday evening, she had not publicly responded to Meyer's request and remains a state lawmaker. Ariz. lawmaker charged with food stamp fraud Meyer said the gravity of the charges argues for her to step down. "These are allegations of misconduct, and they are serious allegations," Meyer said. "The courts will have to work their way through them ... but this is a major distraction." Velasquez was charged by the Arizona State Grand Jury in May with three felony More at link: www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/06/27/ariz-lawmaker-indicted-fraud/86448042/
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Post by bearmom on Feb 14, 2018 23:01:32 GMT
This would make the most sense to me. There would be no shipping/sorting/packaging expenses. People would still have some choices on how their benefits are spent. It could be used on fresh produce/dairy/meat. Yet they could negotiate with farmers/stores/manufacturers to reduce costs. Participants will be able to buy foods with the half the SAP benefit they receive after the first $90 is set for free use. Therefore if they get. random numbers here, $200 minus $90 = $110 split, half box and half card to spend. At least that is the way I am reading it. Is it worth the effort? I think I had heard that some Farmer's Markets took the cards, but they are only open toward summer here... But that is transportation needed. Our farmers market takes SNAP cards, they use them just like a credit card to get tokens (we use our cc often to get tokens when we don’t have cash) and get a 2:1 deal in the process. $10 in SNAP gets $20 in tokens so it really can work in their benefit. Granted the farmers market is only open during the summer, so the benefit is only part of the year.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 14, 2018 23:02:05 GMT
I have zero faith in the execution, especially after seeing what FEMA doled out in Puerto Rico. Beyond that, there’s the very real issue of housing instability. A lot of people receiving SNAP benefits move a lot, live with friends/family, etc. I can see tremendous waste - and people having to go without - because of this. Plus, I think it’s fundamentally degrading to remove choice about what to eat. This is how I feel. Plus I think it's a way for fat cat food corporations to get big bucks from a govt contract. SaveSave
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Post by compwalla on Feb 14, 2018 23:05:28 GMT
One of my neighbors was on WIC and she participated in a pilot program that gave vouchers to spend on produce at the local farmer's market. I thought that was pretty cool. But it was in addition to her WIC vouchers, not in place of them.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 14, 2018 23:13:38 GMT
I think that it belies a lack of understanding of the challenges faced by the poor. this For many reasons
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 14, 2018 23:16:07 GMT
They do not ask for id at the checkout counter. Then stores should ask!
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Post by hop2 on Feb 14, 2018 23:17:16 GMT
My stories: We ate a lot of fresh store bought beef. More than people in 70's should have. My father was one of those who would go buy cheap booze/cigarettes and exchange those items for steak and roasts he had picked out. I doubt that he ever paid cash for meat. He did all the grocery shopping. Between his trading and five finger discount he spent next to nothing in food. This was how food stamps were sold. Then I worked with a woman who volunteer to do the government hand out. Once a month she would bring the leftovers in. Huge blocks of NY extra sharp white cheddar cheese, tubs of grade a honey, ten pound bags of flour, sugar , dry milk, once she brought eggs. ( my mother made Mac and cheese with homemade egg noodles). The woman said people would grab their boxes, stop by the door and dump out everything but the sugar , butter and eggs. Sometimes people just don't know what to do with foods they have never used. Yes, this happened. And this is why they transitioned the SNAP program from physical coupons with a monetary value to a benefit card loaded with a pre-set amount of money. Because people used to trade those coupons for money with which they bought non-food items or they would spend a small amount and receive the rest back in cash which they would then spend on non-food items. This literally cannot happen now. At all. It's not a thing. Grocery store register systems will not allow a person to swipe a SNAP card for non-food items. They have to separate their toilet paper, diapers, cleaning supplies, and anything else you can't eat or that isn't approved (like tobacco or beer) and pay with another form of payment. The number of people who don't understand this is mind-blowing. They form opinions about a program they have zero knowledge of and decide based on a racist article their Fox-watching shitheel cousin posted that somehow people are getting rich off of food stamps. It's ridiculous. It's maddening. And it doesn't seem to matter how many times you explain how SNAP works. They are wholly impervious to actual facts. Jesus Fucking Buttery Christ, I can't even with these people anymore. I just can't. Buttery? I had no idea he was buttery. How was that fact left out during Sunday school? 😜
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 14, 2018 23:18:38 GMT
Participants will be able to buy foods with the half the SAP benefit they receive after the first $90 is set for free use. Therefore if they get. random numbers here, $200 minus $90 = $110 split, half box and half card to spend. At least that is the way I am reading it. Is it worth the effort?I think I had heard that some Farmer's Markets took the cards, but they are only open toward summer here... But that is transportation needed. Our farmers market takes SNAP cards, they use them just like a credit card to get tokens (we use our cc often to get tokens when we don’t have cash) and get a 2:1 deal in the process. $10 in SNAP gets $20 in tokens so it really can work in their benefit. Granted the farmers market is only open during the summer, so the benefit is only part of the year. Not sure if this willl be fixed but I got it a bit wrong!! Correted: But Trump's proposal would require people who receive at least $90 a month from the program to get about half of their benefits in the form of a “USDA food package,” rather than by purchasing the food themselves, NPR reported.
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 14, 2018 23:26:31 GMT
If it's not to reduce fraud, then what exactly is the purpose of the reform? What would be the point of taking away the autonomy of individuals to purchase the food which best meets their needs and circumstances and replace it with a box of "staples" as determined by the federal government?
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 14, 2018 23:27:58 GMT
If it's not to reduce fraud, then what exactly is the purpose of the reform? What would be the point of taking away the autonomy of individuals to purchase the food which best meets their needs and circumstances and replace it with a box of "staples" as determined by the federal government? If people want to choose what food they get them they can get a job.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 14, 2018 23:41:10 GMT
You can sell your card. The going rate is half of whatever is on the card. Happens all the time. They do not ask for id at the checkout counter. But "all the time" isn't exactly a scientific number that can be quantified, now, is it? "all the time" to me sounds like you're saying every person does it with every SNAP card they get. I'm SURE that's not what you're saying, because I've seen plenty of people at my grocery store using them the way they're meant to, so please don't use vague, non-specific wording to discuss these kinds of topics. In my opinion, that's part of the problem- 'all the time' 'everywhere' 'some people say' 'I've heard' and so on. They're not scientific, they're meaningless, and they contribute to the misinformation. Not directed at YOU specifically, as a fact-based, scientific-minded person, I just cannot stand seeing vague wording like this used when there is real data available that paints a much clearer picture. (and I detest when Trump says 'I've heard...' or 'everyone says' because I KNOW he's bullshitting his public when he does it.)
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 14, 2018 23:41:16 GMT
If it's not to reduce fraud, then what exactly is the purpose of the reform? What would be the point of taking away the autonomy of individuals to purchase the food which best meets their needs and circumstances and replace it with a box of "staples" as determined by the federal government? The reported purpose is to reduce costs by leveraging increased purchasing power and taking out the overhead and multiple profit layers by directly buying from farmers/producers. The government can certainly buy in bulk at a lower cost than individual consumers buying at the grocery store (particularly if they are limited in their grocery store selection, many poor areas have higher food costs as there is less competition than suburban areas). I think they're woefully underestimating the added administrative costs of actually implementing.
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Post by sabrinae on Feb 14, 2018 23:43:38 GMT
If it's not to reduce fraud, then what exactly is the purpose of the reform? What would be the point of taking away the autonomy of individuals to purchase the food which best meets their needs and circumstances and replace it with a box of "staples" as determined by the federal government? If people want to choose what food they get them they can get a job. Maybe you should educate yourself on who is receiving food stamps. The vast majority of recipients are children, elderly, disabled, and people who already work but have wages low enough to still qualify for food stamps. Among those who work and still qualify are many of our enlisted military
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 14, 2018 23:44:09 GMT
so they're going to reduce costs in one part of the program, and add layers of bureaucracy and costs somewhere else. Sounds par for the course. (and I am at least 90% certain that SOMEONE who came up with this idea, proposed it, or a Republican crony someWHERE will be enriched by this program if it DOES go into effect.) If people want to choose what food they get them they can get a job. in other words, be grateful for the scraps and dregs that we upper-class people choose to toss to you horrible, dirty, uneducated poor people, is that it? That's what it sounds like. It sounds like the modern Republican platform of class separation and elitism to me, for sure. I'm not quite sure how they think liberals are the elitist ones, with this attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 23:49:24 GMT
If it's not to reduce fraud, then what exactly is the purpose of the reform? What would be the point of taking away the autonomy of individuals to purchase the food which best meets their needs and circumstances and replace it with a box of "staples" as determined by the federal government? The link in the OP explains the program and there is a link in the conservative thread that explains the program and there are several others available with an online search that explain the program (I know because I sifted through a zillion in an effort to find one that only explained the program without any political commentary) and they all spoke of it as a budgetary spending reduction, but none of them mentioned fraud reduction, so I was wondering where that was coming from and if I'd missed it. Guess not!
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