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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 17, 2018 23:16:12 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 18, 2018 2:01:09 GMT
As leading food security scholar Christopher Barrett concludes, in most countries, “the quantity and type of food available has historically been driven primarily by the patterns of surpluses generated by farm support programs, not by recipient need.”** [b]One week after President Trump took office, a consortium of 10 of the largest agricultural lobby groups wrote to him, lamenting that their subsidies had been “relentlessly attacked by previous administrations,” and urging him to “prioritize the use of American-grown in-kind commodity contributions” in fighting hunger. [/font] [/b] If the Harvest Box is any indication, their pleas have found a receptive ear.
[/quote][/font][/quote] well, color me shocked!! these two things can't POSSIBLY be connected, now, can they?!?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 2:13:56 GMT
Except that the proposed budget cuts farm subsidies by 1/3.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 18, 2018 2:16:18 GMT
so this proposed program gives agribusiness a way to recoup those losses in subsidy $$$. even steven!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 18, 2018 2:18:23 GMT
Except that the proposed budget cuts farm subsidies by 1/3. I guess they figure they can make it up by selling the boxes... Who knows, surely not I!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 18, 2018 2:19:56 GMT
so this proposed program gives agribusiness a way to recoup those losses in subsidy $$$. even steven! You bet! And kill local businesses and jobs.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 18, 2018 2:20:05 GMT
It's hateful, demeaning, impractical, and if you think you should get to dictate what people in need are allowed to eat, you're a special kind of a dick. I saw facebook comments like it will stop people "trading food stamps for liquor" which is not a thing one can do anymore since all the money is loaded onto the SNAP card and the register literally will not allow them to buy anything but food with it. You can't even get diapers or toilet paper with a SNAP card, let alone beer. The disdain and disrespect the privileged are proud to show those in need is fucking shameful. And yes, I feel quite strongly about this. People who receive benefits already have limited privacy and now the party of "small government" wants to insert themselves into the kitchens of the poor and decide what they're allowed to eat for dinner. Fuck. That. Noise. Fuck it in the ass with a cactus. This.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 18, 2018 2:24:32 GMT
Oh my!! I guess you do feel strongly! Thanks for tonight's smile!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 2:33:53 GMT
so this proposed program gives agribusiness a way to recoup those losses in subsidy $$$. even steven! Can you flesh this out more using the financial figures from the budget proposal as it relates to the SNAP restructuring and the current projected losses for agribusiness?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 18, 2018 2:36:43 GMT
nope, I can't. it's only a gut feeling, based on the kind of stuff I've seen this administration do so far.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 18, 2018 4:18:47 GMT
Against this backdrop, it is remarkable that the present-day incarnation of food stamps, delivered via EBT, gives recipients so much flexibility to buy the food they want instead of the food the farm industry wishes to dispose of.One week after President Trump took office, a consortium of 10 of the largest agricultural lobby groups wrote to him, lamenting that their subsidies had been “relentlessly attacked by previous administrations,” and urging him to “prioritize the use of American-grown in-kind commodity contributions” in fighting hunger.If the Harvest Box is any indication, their pleas have found a receptive ear. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/15/trump-food-stamps-harvest-box-blue-apron-snap-217004I don't have the cash numbers but the intent seems to be there......... But I still think that every dollar that goes to the centralized expansive operations with packing facilities will kill the local retail food outlets as well as costing many jobs. Thus big business will benefit while local facilities will lose monies and jobs. Realistically the dollars can only go one way, food boxes from big business or food from local/state facilities through EBT cards.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 18, 2018 4:36:24 GMT
Against this backdrop, it is remarkable that the present-day incarnation of food stamps, delivered via EBT, gives recipients so much flexibility to buy the food they want instead of the food the farm industry wishes to dispose of.One week after President Trump took office, a consortium of 10 of the largest agricultural lobby groups wrote to him, lamenting that their subsidies had been “relentlessly attacked by previous administrations,” and urging him to “prioritize the use of American-grown in-kind commodity contributions” in fighting hunger.If the Harvest Box is any indication, their pleas have found a receptive ear. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/15/trump-food-stamps-harvest-box-blue-apron-snap-217004I don't have the cash numbers but the intent seems to be there......... But I still think that every dollar that goes to the centralized expansive operations with packing facilities will kill the local retail food outlets as well as costing many jobs. Thus big business will benefit while local facilities will lose monies and jobs. Realistically the dollars can only go one way, food boxes from big business or food from local/state facilities through EBT cards. I wonder if this also had anything to do with rolling back the nutrition standards for school lunches that the Obama administration put in place. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if it did.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 18, 2018 4:44:23 GMT
The lunches were mentioned somewhere in relation to try to teach kids to choose the right foods and how to cook them to improve their health to help health care prices to go down with a healthy life style preventing diseases.. Rambling I guess....
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Post by mlynn on Feb 19, 2018 1:58:12 GMT
We receive SNAP, but we are below the benefit level that would be affected. As a diabetic, this would be disastrous for me. I cannot eat pasta, peanut butter, cereal, or canned fruit. Yes, I know some diabetics can eat some of these, but they wreak havoc with my blood sugar. Since I am allergic to milk, the only things I would be able to eat are the beans and the canned vegetables.
There are things I would like to see changed with SNAP. For instance, junk food - chips, pop, sugary foods,etc - not being covered. Probably processed foods and frozen meals, too. And things with lots of artificial sweeteners.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 19, 2018 2:24:46 GMT
We receive SNAP, but we are below the benefit level that would be affected. As a diabetic, this would be disastrous for me. I cannot eat pasta, peanut butter, cereal, or canned fruit. Yes, I know some diabetics can eat some of these, but they wreak havoc with my blood sugar. Since I am allergic to milk, the only things I would be able to eat are the beans and the canned vegetables. There are things I would like to see changed with SNAP. For instance, junk food - chips, pop, sugary foods,etc - not being covered. Probably processed foods and frozen meals, too. And things with lots of artificial sweeteners. What are your opinions about the possibility of the canned meats? Your post just emphasizes the carbs included in the proposed boxes. Carbs are fillers not always good food.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 19, 2018 2:27:36 GMT
Not SNAP but another issue: Trump seeks to end heating assistance program for low-income peopleKhorri Atkinson Feb 18, 2018 President Trump's 2019 budget seeks to cut all funding from a program that provides heating assistance subsidies to low-income families in cold-weather states. The administration's argument: the program is marred by fraud and unnecessary, the AP reports. Why it matters: This is the second attempt by the Trump administration to end the program, and it’s likely the proposal will again face resistance from lawmakers. Last year, Congress ultimately appropriated $3 billion, or 90% of the program's funding. Supporters argue the elderly, disabled and others with fixed incomes desperately need the assistance.www.axios.com/trump-seeks-to-cut-heating-assistance-program--64f551d2-a72a-4914-b26f-cfcda993882d.html?source=sidebarLet those low-income people fund the millionaires tax cuts!!
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Post by mlynn on Feb 19, 2018 4:23:19 GMT
We receive SNAP, but we are below the benefit level that would be affected. As a diabetic, this would be disastrous for me. I cannot eat pasta, peanut butter, cereal, or canned fruit. Yes, I know some diabetics can eat some of these, but they wreak havoc with my blood sugar. Since I am allergic to milk, the only things I would be able to eat are the beans and the canned vegetables. There are things I would like to see changed with SNAP. For instance, junk food - chips, pop, sugary foods,etc - not being covered. Probably processed foods and frozen meals, too. And things with lots of artificial sweeteners. What are your opinions about the possibility of the canned meats? Your post just emphasizes the carbs included in the proposed boxes. Carbs are fillers not always good food. I did not see anything about canned meats. I guess it depends on what kind. Tuna...OK. Chicken...men. Spam...no way. Canning also tends to mean a good amount of salt. I would prefer to see a healthier option.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 19, 2018 4:31:04 GMT
We receive SNAP, but we are below the benefit level that would be affected. As a diabetic, this would be disastrous for me. I cannot eat pasta, peanut butter, cereal, or canned fruit. Yes, I know some diabetics can eat some of these, but they wreak havoc with my blood sugar. Since I am allergic to milk, the only things I would be able to eat are the beans and the canned vegetables. There are things I would like to see changed with SNAP. For instance, junk food - chips, pop, sugary foods,etc - not being covered. Probably processed foods and frozen meals, too. And things with lots of artificial sweeteners. I wouldn’t have a major problem with making soda, chips, and candy off-limits for SNAP benefits. But telling people they can’t buy processed foods or frozen meals? Never. If there’s nutritive value and it fits the person’s needs and/or preferences, then you really are getting into Big Brother territory with rules like that. Please tell me you never complained about Michelle Obama's school lunch initiatives.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 19, 2018 4:32:46 GMT
I think it would be awesome if those receiving a certain level could opt in for a farm to table like co-op. Or could order a box that was healthy and full of foods they wanted.
I do not believe you should force a family or a group yo eat whatever you deem to be good for them.
Why do people feel like if you struggle you should not be able to make any decisions for yourself. The same amount of my tax dollars is used whether a person buys $10 worth of fruits and veggies or $10 worth of soda and cookies. Why do I care how they spend their money?
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Post by ~summer~ on Feb 19, 2018 4:36:55 GMT
Horrible.
It isn’t a crime to be poor.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 19, 2018 4:45:05 GMT
We receive SNAP, but we are below the benefit level that would be affected. As a diabetic, this would be disastrous for me. I cannot eat pasta, peanut butter, cereal, or canned fruit. Yes, I know some diabetics can eat some of these, but they wreak havoc with my blood sugar. Since I am allergic to milk, the only things I would be able to eat are the beans and the canned vegetables. There are things I would like to see changed with SNAP. For instance, junk food - chips, pop, sugary foods,etc - not being covered. Probably processed foods and frozen meals, too. And things with lots of artificial sweeteners. I wouldn’t have a major problem with making soda, chips, and candy off-limits for SNAP benefits. But telling people they can’t buy processed foods or frozen meals? Never. If there’s nutritive value and it fits the person’s needs and/or preferences, then you really are getting into Big Brother territory with rules like that. Please tell me you never complained about Michelle Obama's school lunch initiatives. In the past I would have agreed with you until you’re in line behind someone buying a cake with an EBT card. Turned out it was for a terminally ill little kid and it was going be their last birthday. Someone ahead of me said something and the story spilled out. After that, nope, I’m not going to judge.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 19, 2018 4:51:40 GMT
Not SNAP but another issue: Trump seeks to end heating assistance program for low-income peopleKhorri Atkinson Feb 18, 2018 President Trump's 2019 budget seeks to cut all funding from a program that provides heating assistance subsidies to low-income families in cold-weather states. The administration's argument: the program is marred by fraud and unnecessary, the AP reports. Why it matters: This is the second attempt by the Trump administration to end the program, and it’s likely the proposal will again face resistance from lawmakers. Last year, Congress ultimately appropriated $3 billion, or 90% of the program's funding. Supporters argue the elderly, disabled and others with fixed incomes desperately need the assistance.www.axios.com/trump-seeks-to-cut-heating-assistance-program--64f551d2-a72a-4914-b26f-cfcda993882d.html?source=sidebarLet those low-income people fund the millionaires tax cuts!! Good Lord. I live in a state where it gets really cold in the winter, and it isn’t uncommon for monthly heating bills to run up to $300-400 a month or sometimes more depending on how old and/or how well insulated your house is (or isn’t). He really is a heartless jackwagon isn’t he? Yeah, just let the elderly, the disabled people or anyone else down on their luck and struggling just to get through the winter freaking freeze to death. FFS.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 19, 2018 5:07:46 GMT
What are your opinions about the possibility of the canned meats? Your post just emphasizes the carbs included in the proposed boxes. Carbs are fillers not always good food. I did not see anything about canned meats. I guess it depends on what kind. Tuna...OK. Chicken...men. Spam...no way. Canning also tends to mean a good amount of salt. I would prefer to see a healthier option. Most canned items have excess salt as do many prepackaged foods. Households receiving $90 per month or more would get a portion in shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish. The remainder of the benefit would go onto the debit card for use at approved grocery stores. www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-new-food-stamps-plan-a-basket-of-us-food-direct-to-your-doorstep-2018-02-12
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Post by mlynn on Feb 19, 2018 5:08:05 GMT
We receive SNAP, but we are below the benefit level that would be affected. As a diabetic, this would be disastrous for me. I cannot eat pasta, peanut butter, cereal, or canned fruit. Yes, I know some diabetics can eat some of these, but they wreak havoc with my blood sugar. Since I am allergic to milk, the only things I would be able to eat are the beans and the canned vegetables. There are things I would like to see changed with SNAP. For instance, junk food - chips, pop, sugary foods,etc - not being covered. Probably processed foods and frozen meals, too. And things with lots of artificial sweeteners. I wouldn’t have a major problem with making soda, chips, and candy off-limits for SNAP benefits. But telling people they can’t buy processed foods or frozen meals? Never. If there’s nutritive value and it fits the person’s needs and/or preferences, then you really are getting into Big Brother territory with rules like that. Please tell me you never complained about Michelle Obama's school lunch initiatives. We were never blessed with children, so it is not something I paid a lot of attention to. All I know is there was controversy and some kids were not getting enough to eat. But if they needed more, couldn't they supplement from home?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 19, 2018 5:14:17 GMT
I do not believe you should force a family or a group yo eat whatever you deem to be good for them. As the stories are progressing the farm lobby might be thinking their surplus so that is hit or miss. The proposed boxes seem carb heavy.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 19, 2018 6:53:44 GMT
I wouldn’t have a major problem with making soda, chips, and candy off-limits for SNAP benefits. But telling people they can’t buy processed foods or frozen meals? Never. If there’s nutritive value and it fits the person’s needs and/or preferences, then you really are getting into Big Brother territory with rules like that. Please tell me you never complained about Michelle Obama's school lunch initiatives. We were never blessed with children, so it is not something I paid a lot of attention to. All I know is there was controversy and some kids were not getting enough to eat. But if they needed more, couldn't they supplement from home? The uproar was mostly over moving toward healthier alternatives in school lunches. There's some talk about it upthread if you're interested. It became a conservative talking point to complain about Big Brother forcing schools to serve healthy food that kids didn't want to eat. I'm happy if you were not among that contingent.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 19, 2018 12:29:39 GMT
I think it would be awesome if those receiving a certain level could opt in for a farm to table like co-op. Or could order a box that was healthy and full of foods they wanted. I do not believe you should force a family or a group yo eat whatever you deem to be good for them. Why do people feel like if you struggle you should not be able to make any decisions for yourself. The same amount of my tax dollars is used whether a person buys $10 worth of fruits and veggies or $10 worth of soda and cookies. Why do I care how they spend their money? This! I watched some sort of news program/documentary awhile back, following low income and/or snap recipients with their spending on food purchases, sadly it was cheaper to eat some of the junkier foods than to buy an apple. (2for one burgers at McD’s or cheap tacos). It makes my heart break that kids go hungry when the families are struggling to get it together.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 19, 2018 17:31:02 GMT
I need some help or confirmation as to what I am reading......... Cuts in Nutrition Assistance Would Make It Harder for Families to Afford FoodThe 2019 Trump budget cuts SNAP by more than $213 billion over the next ten years — or by nearly 30 percent. It imposes large benefit cuts on most households even though current benefits average just $1.40 per person per meal, and radically restructures how benefits are delivered. It also includes other benefit and eligibility cuts that would cause at least 4 million people to lose SNAP benefits altogether. The cuts would affect every category of SNAP participant, including the unemployed, the elderly, individuals with disabilities, and low-income working families with children. The budget: • Shifts more than $260 billion in food purchasing from individual households to the government. Under the proposal, the Agriculture Department (USDA) would hold back an estimated $24 to $29 billion per year in SNAP benefits (about 40 percent of the benefits issued to households) and use about half of these funds to give the households a box of non-perishable foods such as shelf-stable milk, ready-to-eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans, and canned foods. This box of food would be in lieu of food that households would otherwise purchase with SNAP benefits at the grocery store. The other half of the held-back funds would be cut; households wouldn’t receive these benefits in any form. (The Administration claims that the government can purchase, box, and distribute these food commodities at a substantially reduced cost.) These changes would affect an estimated 34 million people in 16 million households in 2019, or almost 90 percent of SNAP participants. The new structure would impose new costs on states, which would be expected to implement the change without adequate financial support. And it would likely force households to incur greater transportation costs (and time) to get food for their families because they may have to pick up the commodities at centralized locations while still traveling to grocery stories for the remainder of their food purchases. www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/trump-budget-deeply-cuts-health-housing-other-assistance-for-low-and?utm_source=CBPP+Email+Updates+for+Media&utm_campaign=939ffef257-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_02_14&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_af368626dc-939ffef257-43786269
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Post by lucyg on Feb 19, 2018 18:35:13 GMT
I need some help or confirmation as to what I am reading......... Cuts in Nutrition Assistance Would Make It Harder for Families to Afford FoodThe 2019 Trump budget cuts SNAP by more than $213 billion over the next ten years — or by nearly 30 percent. It imposes large benefit cuts on most households even though current benefits average just $1.40 per person per meal, and radically restructures how benefits are delivered. It also includes other benefit and eligibility cuts that would cause at least 4 million people to lose SNAP benefits altogether. The cuts would affect every category of SNAP participant, including the unemployed, the elderly, individuals with disabilities, and low-income working families with children. The budget: • Shifts more than $260 billion in food purchasing from individual households to the government. Under the proposal, the Agriculture Department (USDA) would hold back an estimated $24 to $29 billion per year in SNAP benefits (about 40 percent of the benefits issued to households) and use about half of these funds to give the households a box of non-perishable foods such as shelf-stable milk, ready-to-eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans, and canned foods. This box of food would be in lieu of food that households would otherwise purchase with SNAP benefits at the grocery store. The other half of the held-back funds would be cut; households wouldn’t receive these benefits in any form. (The Administration claims that the government can purchase, box, and distribute these food commodities at a substantially reduced cost.) These changes would affect an estimated 34 million people in 16 million households in 2019, or almost 90 percent of SNAP participants. The new structure would impose new costs on states, which would be expected to implement the change without adequate financial support. And it would likely force households to incur greater transportation costs (and time) to get food for their families because they may have to pick up the commodities at centralized locations while still traveling to grocery stories for the remainder of their food purchases. www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/trump-budget-deeply-cuts-health-housing-other-assistance-for-low-and?utm_source=CBPP+Email+Updates+for+Media&utm_campaign=939ffef257-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_02_14&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_af368626dc-939ffef257-43786269This makes me sick. Taking food away from poor people to give cash back to rich people who have more money than they know what to do with, and that, generally speaking, they earned off the backs of those same poor people to begin with. The new feudalism.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 19, 2018 18:39:52 GMT
I don't know why anybody is up in arms over FOOD.
I spent over $200 yesterday at two grocery stores and some of the shit will go bad before we eat it. (yeah I know, I'm trying)
I am very grateful I can do that. I can't imagine trying yo figure out food on snap + a small amount more that i could contribute.
These are humans, not numbers on a damn paper
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