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Post by lisae on Mar 14, 2018 11:59:26 GMT
The special election in PA is too close to call with the Democrat (Lamb) having a small lead and some ballots still outstanding.
Trump won this area by 20 points 2 years ago so even if Lamb ultimately loses, it is still another big sign to Republicans that Trump is toxic.
It's also a sign to Democrats that candidates matter. From what I read, Lamb is a good candidate who really appeals to people on his own merits.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 14, 2018 12:08:32 GMT
I stayed up late last night (work - not this), but had the results coming in minute by minute. SO unbelievably THRILLING. The Dems wisely put up someone very, very good. If we could only do that all the time!
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Post by lindas on Mar 14, 2018 12:17:47 GMT
Given his stance on a lot of the issues he comes across as a closet Republican. If he does wind up being the winner he's going to have a hard time in Congress if he continues to buck the party line which I don't think he will do. I think he pulled the wool over everyone eyes in that district.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 14, 2018 12:42:46 GMT
I think he’s fantastic! I hope that in the next day or two Conor Lamb is declared the winner.
He did excellent and the voters ARE speaking—to be this close in a heavily gerrymandered (towards republicans) area!
The $@!!!?@/// Saccone spent more time name calling and creating decisiveness than actually talking about what mattered most. He was despicable in his comments towards anyone who didn’t think like him and for him to say that those who don’t tow his line “hate God”—-well he’s an ass.
I think Dems are/have learned/learning that they need to step up authentically and talk about what matters most in the community.
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Post by sabrinae on Mar 14, 2018 12:48:07 GMT
Given his stance on a lot of the issues he comes across as a closet Republican. If he does wind up being the winner he's going to have a hard time in Congress if he continues to buck the party line which I don't think he will do. I think he pulled the wool over everyone eyes in that district. I think he is a democrat in a rural conservative area, which makes him more moderate in general. He is very much like many Democrats in more rural areas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 12:48:50 GMT
Hope people have finally discovered the power of votes (and where/how they spend their money) to really change the nation for the better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 12:52:32 GMT
He supposedly supports Trump's tariffs and is against new gun restrictions. Is that really a win for democrats?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 12:53:51 GMT
Let the memes begin.
March came in like a liar and out like a Lamb.
And the Lamb shall devour the Lyin.
etc....
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Post by casii on Mar 14, 2018 13:01:57 GMT
He stacks up better than Saccone. Stands on issuesHow much did the GOP just throw at Saccone?
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Post by Merge on Mar 14, 2018 13:23:20 GMT
He supposedly supports Trump's tariffs and is against new gun restrictions. Is that really a win for democrats? Compared to the other guy? Absolutely. Do you agree with your candidates on every single issue? In Texas, we are used to voting for Democrats (those of us who do) who would be Republicans in many other states. They are still far better to me than the far-right, freedom caucus folks like Ted Cruz.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 13:38:44 GMT
He supposedly supports Trump's tariffs and is against new gun restrictions. Is that really a win for democrats? Compared to the other guy? Absolutely. Do you agree with your candidates on every single issue? In Texas, we are used to voting for Democrats (those of us who do) who would be Republicans in many other states. They are still far better to me than the far-right, freedom caucus folks like Ted Cruz. Considering guns and tariffs are really big anti-republican issues, I'm surprised democrats would be applauding his stance and position on those.
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Post by Merge on Mar 14, 2018 13:44:44 GMT
Compared to the other guy? Absolutely. Do you agree with your candidates on every single issue? In Texas, we are used to voting for Democrats (those of us who do) who would be Republicans in many other states. They are still far better to me than the far-right, freedom caucus folks like Ted Cruz. Considering guns and tariffs are really big anti-republican issues, I'm surprised democrats would be applauding his stance and position on those. I'm sure you know that we're not applauding his position on those. Again - his opponent was a far-right whack job. I would think any sane person would applaud him not getting elected. If there is one lesson I hope Democrats have learned from 2016, it's to not make perfect the enemy of good. We can't afford ideological purity if we're going to vote the nuts out of office in 2018 and 2020.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 14, 2018 13:46:09 GMT
Compared to the other guy? Absolutely. Do you agree with your candidates on every single issue? In Texas, we are used to voting for Democrats (those of us who do) who would be Republicans in many other states. They are still far better to me than the far-right, freedom caucus folks like Ted Cruz. Considering guns and tariffs are really big anti-republican issues, I'm surprised democrats would be applauding his stance and position on those. Are people really applauding his stance on those issues though? I think they are ok with it because the other guy is such a nut and Lamb does have other issues they agree with, but I can’t imagine many Democrats are applauding his stance on tariffs or gun control. I do think they are glad he is for stronger background checks at least, that is something in Texas.
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Post by Judy26 on Mar 14, 2018 14:01:42 GMT
I would much rather vote for a moderate Democrats who is not afraid to think for himself than a republican who uses religious threats and mockery to denigrate those who think differently than he does. If the roles were reversed I would vote for the Republican. It’s time for moderates from both sides to come to the table and learn to compromise for the good of our country. This divisive I’m right, you’re wrong, God said so bullshit is destructive and childish.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 14, 2018 14:04:06 GMT
Lamb does want a stronger system of background checks for gun purchases. Wants to cover pre-existing conditions, lower premiums. Sees the tax cuts as a giveaway for the wealthy and a few others things. Candidates, and those who serve, do have to address issues that their constituents support. I would rather have a well rounded candidate then an extreme one from either side, left or right. That is a step toward bipartisan, which is best for all of us!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 14:06:17 GMT
Lamb is what is called a “blue dog Democrat” which are considered the more moderate/conservative members of the party.
He supports the core issues of the Democratic Party while also supporting issues that are important to his district.
And while I think he is misguided in supporting tariffs I like what he says about job training.
He supports the ACA and protecting Medicare and Social Security. While he personally does not believe in abortions he supports a woman’s right to chose.
Lamb probably wouldn’t have done well in my district against the more progressive Democrats, but then one size doesn’t fit all. So it was a good night for the Democrats.
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Post by pierogi on Mar 14, 2018 14:25:49 GMT
Lamb will put this country, our constitution and rule of law, over Putin’s agenda. This is definitely a win.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 14:46:07 GMT
I hope Trump backs more Repubs this year. So far we are 2 for 2.
I'm pretty sure the voters told Trump where to stuff it. Thank you and more please!
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Post by katybee on Mar 14, 2018 14:46:07 GMT
Given his stance on a lot of the issues he comes across as a closet Republican. If he does wind up being the winner he's going to have a hard time in Congress if he continues to buck the party line which I don't think he will do. I think he pulled the wool over everyone eyes in that district. Maybe what a Republican USED to be... not current republicans that have thrown all of their morals, values and good sense in the trash to worship at the feet of Donald Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 14:46:59 GMT
Conor Lamb is a moderate on issues, values and temperament he also favors abortion rights and Obamacare, opposes SocSec/Medicare cuts and Trump tax-cut saying Democrats “ran a Republican” in PA-18 is ridiculous
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 14, 2018 14:53:06 GMT
Compared to the other guy? Absolutely. Do you agree with your candidates on every single issue? In Texas, we are used to voting for Democrats (those of us who do) who would be Republicans in many other states. They are still far better to me than the far-right, freedom caucus folks like Ted Cruz. Considering guns and tariffs are really big anti-republican issues, I'm surprised democrats would be applauding his stance and position on those. Many Republicans have come out against the tariffs too. I don't agree with Lamb on all the issues, but I still think he's better than Saccone. And if it was such a loss for Democrats, then why did the GOP bother spending 10 million on a race for a nine month seat?
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 14, 2018 14:57:56 GMT
Lamb is what is called a “blue dog Democrat” which are considered the more moderate/conservative members of the party. He supports the core issues of the Democratic Party while also supporting issues that are important to his district. And while I think he is misguided in supporting tariffs I like what he says about job training. He supports the ACA and protecting Medicare and Social Security. While he personally does not believe in abortions he supports a woman’s right to chose. Lamb probably wouldn’t have done well in my district against the more progressive Democrats, but then one size doesn’t fit all. So it was a good night for the Democrats. ITA! I think it's ludicrous to expect any party to be 100% lockstep on every single issue. It's rare to find a candidate you align with 100% - everybody has to decide what's most important for them, what the deal breakers are, etc. We live in a very diverse country and it's not a surprise that politicians in both parties reflect that. I personally would vote for a more progressive Democrat, but I also would a) vote for a moderate Democrat over a Republican and b) understand that in different districts it's moderate Democrats that have the best shot at winning.
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Post by jenis40 on Mar 14, 2018 14:59:17 GMT
Regarding tariffs, Democrats have been more likely to support those in the past than free-trade Republicans due to the Democrats pro-labor and union stances. I don’t find it odd that he supports tariffs in steel country even if I don’t agree with it.
The Republicans have thrown off the mantle of being the “big tent” party and stomped it into the ground with their embrace of Trumpism and the alt-right. I’m happy to see the Democratic Party embracing candidates who fit the district they represent rather than passing some progressive purity test.
I’m personally pro-choice and pro-common sense gun control but I can support a candidate who doesn’t see eye-to-eye with me on every issue. We need more blue dog Democrats and moderate Republicans to meet in the middle and save our country from the fringes.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 14, 2018 15:03:14 GMT
He supposedly supports Trump's tariffs and is against new gun restrictions. Is that really a win for democrats? Sure, it's a win. It's better than the other guy. Generally, we Democrats need to continue to get used to more conservative candidates in the near future, but it's an undeniable trend that's been happening for many years. I'm always amazed here when I read the claim that the Democratic party has MOVED.SO.FAR.LEFT. They simply haven't. They haven't even inched left. Ask any political scientist. Both parties have moved right. If the GAP between them has widened, that's different. No way that couldn't have happened after the (largely) concurrent rise of Ronald Reagan and Evangelical Christian politicization, the Tea Party movement, whatever-that-really-conservative-caucus-in-Congress-is-calling-itself-now, and the Trump movement. (And even if it's abhorrent to most conservatives, it's undeniable that the white supremacist movement officially entered the political world with the president's campaign through organized voting and fundraising for a Republican candidate.) And it's obvious the Republican Party is outright lurching right since the election. They want to hold onto all the first-time voters that came out for Trump, the true believers, the new base. And all the new candidates want those votes AND the president's support. So the ideological gap is only going to widen WHILE the Democrats continue to inch right to keep voters. As a liberal, I don't like it, but what is my choice? I now vote for all Democrats because the current alternatives deeply frighten me. I've never expected a candidate to tick all my boxes, anyway; I just have to reconcile the fact that future candidates will tick even fewer of my boxes. And, of course, it depends on the area of the country. A lot. tl;dr: Barack Obama is a moderate Democrat, not a radical. Barry Goldwater would be totally unremarkable these days, instead of the standard bearer of arch-conservatism he was back in the day. Texas is not Chicago. (Eyewitness report there; I've lived in both )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 15:03:48 GMT
Lamb is what is called a “blue dog Democrat” which are considered the more moderate/conservative members of the party. He supports the core issues of the Democratic Party while also supporting issues that are important to his district. And while I think he is misguided in supporting tariffs I like what he says about job training. He supports the ACA and protecting Medicare and Social Security. While he personally does not believe in abortions he supports a woman’s right to chose. Lamb probably wouldn’t have done well in my district against the more progressive Democrats, but then one size doesn’t fit all. So it was a good night for the Democrats. ITA! I think it's ludicrous to expect any party to be 100% lockstep on every single issue. It's rare to find a candidate you align with 100% - everybody has to decide what's most important for them, what the deal breakers are, etc. We live in a very diverse country and it's not a surprise that politicians in both parties reflect that. I personally would vote for a more progressive Democrat, but I also would a) vote for a moderate Democrat over a Republican and b) understand that in different districts it's moderate Democrats that have the best shot at winning. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!! This is what the Bernie Bros and co. need to learn. You vote for the candidate even 1/100th of an inch closer to your values and you move the party election by election by election. Stop waiting for ideal candidates - you MAKE ideal candidates by showing what you want with your vote - NOT by staying home!!!
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Post by lucyg on Mar 14, 2018 16:48:11 GMT
I think Republicans are trying to soothe themselves now by claiming Lamb isn't a real Democrat. Keep at it, Republicans, while we stay busy stealing more Congressional seats from you.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 14, 2018 16:57:36 GMT
I think Republicans are trying to soothe themselves now by claiming Lamb isn't a real Democrat. Keep at it, Republicans, while we stay busy stealing more Congressional seats from you. . I welcome their spin as long as they continue the course and have no worries at all about November. Complacency is good.
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Post by casii on Mar 14, 2018 16:58:29 GMT
I think Republicans are trying to soothe themselves now by claiming Lamb isn't a real Democrat. Keep at it, Republicans, while we stay busy stealing more Congressional seats from you. I agree. The Reps put up a bad candidate. And at this point, the GOP and Trump would be wise to NOT trot out a Trump visit/endorsement because it's a waste of time, money and Trump is a shameful liability. If he represents the best the GOP has to offer and the candidate is denigrating the opposing candidate as a president/country/God hater, I'd run the other way.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 14, 2018 17:04:24 GMT
For those that think Lamb might as well be a Republican they're still missing the point. The more moderate candidate won, over the far-right person endorsed by the President.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 14, 2018 17:07:28 GMT
I think Republicans are trying to soothe themselves now by claiming Lamb isn't a real Democrat. Keep at it, Republicans, while we stay busy stealing more Congressional seats from you. ^^^ I agree. Maybe it's also somewhat related to the (possibly more Republican) tendency to be one-issue voters? So it's harder for some people to understand why people could vote for a Democrat they didn't agree with on every single issue?? I don't think Democrats are as likely to be solely one-issue voters as Republicans are, but I could be wrong.
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