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Post by gale w on Mar 15, 2018 22:52:17 GMT
I hope all of our Florida refupeas are okay. What a scary tragedy.  |
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Post by donna on Mar 15, 2018 22:59:46 GMT
I just saw the story about this on the news. It made me think of the earthquake in Oakland back in the 80's that caused the double decker bridge to collapse. I pray that the people who died were killed instantly. That would be a horrible way to die.
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Post by paperaddictedpea on Mar 15, 2018 23:09:01 GMT
How awful. I don't understand how a bridge that was designed to withstand a category 5 hurricane (and was supposed to last 100+ years) could just collapse like that.
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Post by gar on Mar 15, 2018 23:23:29 GMT
We just saw footage of this on the BBC. Those poor people including the ones trapped. Getting them out won’t be easy or quick! Apparently it was only opened on Friday?!?
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Post by jennyap on Mar 15, 2018 23:37:34 GMT
Holy cow, I've just seen the images, that is just horrific. How awful. I don't understand how a bridge that was designed to withstand a category 5 hurricane (and was supposed to last 100+ years) could just collapse like that. Days after installation too. There are some serious questions to be asked about how this could happen. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 15, 2018 23:38:28 GMT
How does a brand new bridge collapse? I feel so bad for those poor people.
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 15, 2018 23:42:39 GMT
I read that it wasn't complete. It was intended to be a pedestrian bridge, and they just put up the spans last week. It's a new design and method, and the company that designed it has a really good reputation and has designed hundreds of bridges.
No idea what caused it yet.
I hope they find more survivors -- a horrible disaster.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 15, 2018 23:48:20 GMT
From the little I heard about it, the bridge construction wasn't complete, and it wasn't going to be opened until 2019. They built it somewhere nearby and had barely installed it into position a few days ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 1:31:20 GMT
So Awful. Why did they perform the stress test with traffic below?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 16, 2018 2:26:25 GMT
If you look at the rendering of the bridge plan, the completed bridge would have included a tower and cables to carry the load. Obviously the spans weren't designed to withstand their load before the construction was complete - someone utterly screwed up.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 16, 2018 2:27:16 GMT
So Awful. Why did they perform the stress test with traffic below? They were undergoing a stress test? I hadn't read that part, can you link? |
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 16, 2018 2:30:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 2:35:09 GMT
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 16, 2018 2:36:09 GMT
Oh wow. That was a major screw up.
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Post by buddysmom on Mar 16, 2018 2:37:44 GMT
I'm wondering if they rushed things to avoid fines/penalties.
Here they have certain things written into the contract so that roadwork doesn't drag out for longer than expected.
Something like--"bridge must be connected to both sides by March 10."
But then maybe it didn't say "it has to be supported by posts to make sure it doesn't fall down."
Just elementary school wording-- but I'm thinking maybe they were behind schedule and wanted to dodge a penalty for being behind schedule.
This is awful; I'm sure that big-wig's heads will roll--and they should.
Not to be political at all but Rick Scott has had a lot to deal with this past month for the recent tragedies.
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Post by melissa on Mar 16, 2018 3:10:28 GMT
Here's the fact sheet about the bridge and the construction. Fact sheetThey were certainly proud of the methods used to build this bridge as well as the design. |
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 16, 2018 3:27:21 GMT
So Awful. Why did they perform the stress test with traffic below?  The vehicles crushed were stopped at a traffic light.  |
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Post by megop on Mar 16, 2018 3:51:08 GMT
How awful. Brings back memories of the Hyatt walkway bridge collapse and the Bay highway collapse during an earthquake.
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Post by grammanisi on Mar 16, 2018 4:08:29 GMT
If you look at the rendering of the bridge plan, the completed bridge would have included a tower and cables to carry the load. Obviously the spans weren't designed to withstand their load before the construction was complete - someone utterly screwed up We didn't see the renderings, but my husband said that he couldn't believe that there was not a tower and the suspension cables. I would think that everyone that worked on that project would be feeling sick. |
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 16, 2018 4:23:09 GMT
Apparently, in other states bridges have been constructed the same way using the ABC process. I can't find a link to the story I saw on the my local news.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 16, 2018 4:42:01 GMT
This is a twitter account showing the bridge on the 12th, If you click on the picture it will take you to the other pictures...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 16, 2018 4:45:57 GMT
We didn't see the renderings, but my husband said that he couldn't believe that there was not a tower and the suspension cables They don't appear in the pictures from the 12th or the 13th, IF that is when the picture was taken. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 16, 2018 10:31:33 GMT
Apparently, in other states bridges have been constructed the same way using the ABC process. I can't find a link to the story I saw on the my local news. I heard this too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 10:58:49 GMT
A dreadful tragedy. Someone, somewhere has very serious questions to answer as to why it happened especially as the method use to build this bridge has been used for many others.
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Post by joelise on Mar 16, 2018 11:01:11 GMT
How awful!
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Post by schizo319 on Mar 16, 2018 13:22:00 GMT
I read somewhere that this bridge (950 tons) was erected in 6 hours (yes, SIX HOURS, that was not a typo) using a method called "Accelerated Bridge Construction" (ABC) - apparently this method is new and preferred because it cuts costs and reduces the time that traffic has to be impeded. According to what I read, the ABC method has been used on several bridge construction and repair projects - which is terrifying. ETA: I must've read the same article as refugeepea (I have a friend who graduated from there who shared the local news article) I am all for cutting costs where one can, but I also believe you get what you pay for - bridge construction is not a place to be cost cutting at the expense of human lives. |
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 16, 2018 13:30:39 GMT
We didn't see the renderings, but my husband said that he couldn't believe that there was not a tower and the suspension cables They don't appear in the pictures from the 12th or the 13th, IF that is when the picture was taken. No, the tower and cables were not yet installed. The installation is a process, meaning that it isn't all put into place at the same time. Part of the design is to make sure the bridge is properly supported during the entire installation. The deck trusses should have supported the load -- clearly something major and unexpected happened. What was it? It may take months to figure that out. |
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 16, 2018 13:39:57 GMT
I read somewhere that this bridge (950 tons) was erected in 6 hours (yes, SIX HOURS, that was not a typo) using a method called "Accelerated Bridge Construction" (ABC) - apparently this method is new and preferred because it cuts costs and reduces the time that traffic has to be impeded. According to what I read, the ABC method has been used on several bridge construction and repair projects - which is terrifying. ETA: I must've read the same article as refugeepea (I have a friend who graduated from there who shared the local news article) I am all for cutting costs where one can, but I also believe you get what you pay for - bridge construction is not a place to be cost cutting at the expense of human lives. I don't think that ABC is inherently bad. All the work is done off site -- that doesn't mean it's done badly. Paying more money is not necessarily going to make the construction better. The same safety checks are built into this method as in others. Technically, ABC should be just as strong and safe as other construction methods. Nobody but nobody wants to cut corners on something like this. This method would never have made it this far if it didn't meet the specs for delivering a safe bridge. If they did cut corners due to corruption of some sort, they belong in jail. Clearly something catastrophic happened, but we don't yet know the cause. Was it the design, the construction method, the materials, the site? I'm giving the NTSB time to figure out what went wrong. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 16, 2018 13:45:38 GMT
If you look at the rendering of the bridge plan, the completed bridge would have included a tower and cables to carry the load. Obviously the spans weren't designed to withstand their load before the construction was complete - someone utterly screwed up We didn't see the renderings, but my husband said that he couldn't believe that there was not a tower and the suspension cables. I would think that everyone that worked on that project would be feeling sick. I can't even imagine. This article shows a pic of the plan for the completed bridge. I'm sure the design was for the trusses to carry the dead load and the cables were only needed for the live load, but clearly something went very wrong. news.fiu.edu/2018/03/community-gathers-to-watch-950-ton-bridge-move-across-southwest-8th-street/120395 |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 16, 2018 15:53:03 GMT
Clearly something catastrophic happened, but we don't yet know the cause. Was it the design, the construction method, the materials, the site? I'm giving the NTSB time to figure out what went wrong.I agree with this- the articles I've seen about it seem to be full of speculative info, and not necessarily facts. |
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The vehicles crushed were stopped at a traffic light. 
