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Post by rodeomom on Mar 28, 2018 20:43:42 GMT
I wasn't a big Roseanne TV show fan and would only watch episodes on occasion. I watched it just enough to know all the characters though. I thoroughly enjoyed the reboot last night and we will continue to watch. Politics never plays a role in what I watch, read, listen too. Reading through this thread just makes me shake my head. It surprises me just how many don't care to watch an actor/actress, TV show or movie because of either their (actor/actresses) personal politics or the politics portrayed in the show/movie. Oh well, guess I can add that to what I've learned at the Peas pod. lots of conservatives don't watch PBS because they say it has liberal leanings. And don't even get me started on what they say about "The View" Don't you just know that if they had a clicker they would turn off the View... |
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Post by elaine on Mar 28, 2018 20:44:22 GMT
The thread was even quoted humorously in Virginia's condolence thread. This was not an innocent gaffe. Okay - let's get it straight. I never said that I didn't remember that Virginia said it. What I said was: Yes, Virginia did it although I had completely forgotten it except that someone brought it up as a "funny" memory recently. I don't/didn't think it's funny regardless of who does it although I didn't express that view on this thread.The Zapper thread is not one I lost sleep over, put on a spreadsheet, or had in my current memory until someone brought it up in that condolence thread. Because of THAT and because Elaine mentioned (not) shutting down a show she didn't agree with, it seemed topical to me. I brought it up because of that. Had someone else not mentioned it recently, it probably wouldn't have even triggered the memory of that thread. I didn't bring it up to be "gross" because frankly I don't believe that we can never discuss anything that someone who isn't with us any longer ever discussed, no matter how controversial. That thread is part of Two Peas history and it seemed topical to me to this conversation. I'm sorry it was taken the wrong way but I am not sorry for bringing it up as a topic to discuss on a thread that was about the political differences in viewing a television show and many mentioned not watching a show because of politics. And you all know damn well that if Virginia was in a restaurant and had her zapper and Roseanne was on, she would shut it off. And she would defend it instead of avoiding answering the question such as has been done on this thread. Not watching a show in the privacy of my own home has as much to do with my public behavior regarding television watching in restaurants as your having sex with your husband in your private bedroom does with your doing with him doggie style on the table at TGIFridays. And you want to know why I avoided answering? You really want to know? It is because I disagree with Virginia on this one and wouldn’t do it myself. But, unlike YOU, I have a sense of respect for her and those who are mourning her and am not in the mood to disagree with or throw any shade on her or her behavior right now. What a shining moment for you! And right now, I will Compwalla You and tell you that I think that you are being a complete bitch on this thread and the more you say the worse you make it in my mind. I hope that you are proud of yourself that you finally “forced” me to answer your question. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 20:48:26 GMT
I wasn't a big Roseanne TV show fan and would only watch episodes on occasion. I watched it just enough to know all the characters though. I thoroughly enjoyed the reboot last night and we will continue to watch. Politics never plays a role in what I watch, read, listen too. Reading through this thread just makes me shake my head. It surprises me just how many don't care to watch an actor/actress, TV show or movie because of either their (actor/actresses) personal politics or the politics portrayed in the show/movie. Oh well, guess I can add that to what I've learned at the Peas pod. lots of conservatives don't watch PBS because they say it has liberal leanings. And don't even get me started on what they say about "The View" Don't you just know that if they had a clicker they would turn off the View... I’m not conservative but I think I’d probably turn off The View, too. LOL |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 28, 2018 20:50:15 GMT
I wasn't a big Roseanne TV show fan and would only watch episodes on occasion. I watched it just enough to know all the characters though. I thoroughly enjoyed the reboot last night and we will continue to watch. Politics never plays a role in what I watch, read, listen too. Reading through this thread just makes me shake my head. It surprises me just how many don't care to watch an actor/actress, TV show or movie because of either their (actor/actresses) personal politics or the politics portrayed in the show/movie. Oh well, guess I can add that to what I've learned at the Peas pod. I mean, for the most part, I try not to pay too much attention to the personal politics or drama of an artist, but there are some for whom a line has been crossed that I can’t abide. Woody Allen. Mel Gibson. And, for me, Roseanne. I just don’t want to give them my money and time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I cannot support Woody Allen or Mel Gibson either but one is an accused pedophile and I don’t care that he married Soon Yi and that they are still together. I don’t believe for a minute he wasn’t grooming her before she was 18. Mel Gibson is an ass as well for a myriad of reasons, but I don’t think either is comparable to Rosanne. You are correct in that everyone has a personal line, but I think comparing Rosanne to WA or MG is like apples to oranges. I would say she is comparable to Kirk Cameron, Adam Baldwin, and probably Tim Allen, I think WA and MG are in a different class of questionable humans, right next to Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski, Bill Cosby, etc. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 20:52:38 GMT
I mean, for the most part, I try not to pay too much attention to the personal politics or drama of an artist, but there are some for whom a line has been crossed that I can’t abide. Woody Allen. Mel Gibson. And, for me, Roseanne. I just don’t want to give them my money and time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I cannot support Woody Allen or Mel Gibson either but one is an accused pedophile and I don’t care that he married Soon Yi and that they are still together. I don’t believe for a minute he wasn’t grooming her before she was 18. Mel Gibson is an ass as well for a myriad of reasons, but I don’t think either is comparable to Rosanne. You are correct in that everyone has a personal line, but I think comparing Rosanne to WA or MG is like apples to oranges. I would say she is comparable to Kirk Cameron, Adam Baldwin, and probably Tim Allen, I think WA and MG are in a different class of questionable humans, right next to Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski, Bill Cosby, etc. For me, calling the Parkland teens crisis actors and perpetuating the Pizzagate consipiracy theory is too far. I think that’s very comparable to Mel Gibson’s toxic nonsense. Your mileage may vary. I’m not telling anyone else how to feel about her, but I get to think she’s trash and I don’t need to watch her on TV. |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 28, 2018 21:01:01 GMT
I cannot support Woody Allen or Mel Gibson either but one is an accused pedophile and I don’t care that he married Soon Yi and that they are still together. I don’t believe for a minute he wasn’t grooming her before she was 18. Mel Gibson is an ass as well for a myriad of reasons, but I don’t think either is comparable to Rosanne. You are correct in that everyone has a personal line, but I think comparing Rosanne to WA or MG is like apples to oranges. I would say she is comparable to Kirk Cameron, Adam Baldwin, and probably Tim Allen, I think WA and MG are in a different class of questionable humans, right next to Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski, Bill Cosby, etc. For me, calling the Parkland teens crisis actors and perpetuating the Pizzagate consipiracy theory is too far. I think that’s very comparable to Mel Gibson’s toxic nonsense. Your mileage may vary. I’m not telling anyone else how to feel about her, but I get to think she’s trash and I don’t need to watch her on TV. I must have missed the Parkland faux actor thing, but then again I just think that puts her on the same level as most Trump supporters. I don’t think that is comparable to pedophilia or rape. But I totally respect your opinion and right to watch what you feel comfortable with. I just think that if I went down that slippery slope I wouldn’t be able to watch anything but Jimmy Stewart and Tom Hanks movies and that might even depend on who else was in them. I am going to choose to watch Rosanne and revel in the wit that is Jackie and Darlene and pretend that I am only supporting them.  |
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Post by disneypal on Mar 28, 2018 21:04:02 GMT
I am disappointed that this turned into a political thread  |
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 21:16:20 GMT
For me, calling the Parkland teens crisis actors and perpetuating the Pizzagate consipiracy theory is too far. I think that’s very comparable to Mel Gibson’s toxic nonsense. Your mileage may vary. I’m not telling anyone else how to feel about her, but I get to think she’s trash and I don’t need to watch her on TV. I must have missed the Parkland faux actor thing, but then again I just think that puts her on the same level as most Trump supporters. I don’t think that is comparable to pedophilia or rape. But I totally respect your opinion and right to watch what you feel comfortable with. I just think that if I went down that slippery slope I wouldn’t be able to watch anything but Jimmy Stewart and Tom Hanks movies and that might even depend on who else was in them. I am going to choose to watch Rosanne and revel in the wit that is Jackie and Darlene and pretend that I am only supporting them. Hahaha! I feel you. I keep saying, "Please, please don't let anything bad come out about Tom Hanks, because I'll be SO SAD if I have to hate him!" For real, though, one of my favorite authors is conflicted about the whole Roseanne thing, and watched. I hope she does write about it, too. I'm less conflicted than she is. I think it's totally fine to feel conflicted or even not conflicted at all. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 21:44:24 GMT
I am disappointed that this turned into a political thread It's political because the content of the show was political, and Roseanne has made it clear it's a priority of the show. So, you can be disappointed, but then be disappointed in Roseanne, I guess? |
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Post by None on Mar 28, 2018 21:52:32 GMT
Watched it, loved it. Liked how they worked in both Beckys.
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Post by melissa on Mar 28, 2018 22:17:05 GMT
Just watched it.
I enjoy the nostalgia in these short reboots, like Fuller House and Will and Grace. I didn't always like the original of this one but watched it enough to have a certain affection for the characters and it's fun to see them brought to life once again by the original actors. Love the creativity in working in the two Becky actresses. Got a kick out of their handling of contemporary issues such as Darlene's son's taste in clothing and the political divide within families. And Darlene's daughter is very well cast/performed!
I was unaware of Ms. Barr's specific brand of conservative politics and the weird nature nature of her beliefs. I think anyone that doesn't believe that children were murdered at the school in Parklard Fl or Sandy Hook CT has a disconnect with reality. There's a lot of that going around today. It's not much different, in my eyes, than the rejection of science and medicine in general.
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Post by annabella on Mar 28, 2018 22:23:20 GMT
Watched it, loved it. Liked how they worked in both Beckys. How’d they do that? |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 28, 2018 22:31:43 GMT
Watched it, loved it. Liked how they worked in both Beckys. How’d they do that? The second Becky is going to hire the first Becky to be her surrogate. |
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Post by mom on Mar 28, 2018 22:45:52 GMT
Growing up, we were never allowed to watch Roseanne. My mom thought she was nasty and it was one of the few shows she forbid us to watch. With the reboot, we (DH and I) decided not to watch, mainly because of Roseanne's politics. I am finding that I am interested in seeing the show for the Becky angle...but I just don't think I can give viewership to Roseanne. I just think she is a nasty person and cant bring myself to support her.
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 28, 2018 23:58:42 GMT
I watched the original for one or two seasaons and then would catch an episode here and there after that. I thought is was funny but I rarely watch a show longer than two seasons.They all get stale and I get bored.
I turned on the reboot and watched it. There were a few laughs but man, Roseanne's voice just grates on me now. I'll probably flip by and watch again, if nothing else is on but it wouldn't take much to make me miss it. I do love the kid in the skirts though.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 29, 2018 0:12:04 GMT
I cannot support Woody Allen or Mel Gibson either but one is an accused pedophile and I don’t care that he married Soon Yi and that they are still together. I don’t believe for a minute he wasn’t grooming her before she was 18. Mel Gibson is an ass as well for a myriad of reasons, but I don’t think either is comparable to Rosanne. You are correct in that everyone has a personal line, but I think comparing Rosanne to WA or MG is like apples to oranges. I would say she is comparable to Kirk Cameron, Adam Baldwin, and probably Tim Allen, I think WA and MG are in a different class of questionable humans, right next to Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski, Bill Cosby, etc. For me, calling the Parkland teens crisis actors and perpetuating the Pizzagate consipiracy theory is too far. I think that’s very comparable to Mel Gibson’s toxic nonsense. Your mileage may vary. I’m not telling anyone else how to feel about her, but I get to think she’s trash and I don’t need to watch her on TV. It’s too far for me, too. Even if I didn’t think so, though, I would still not watch the show. I don’t find her humor funny. Never did. |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 29, 2018 0:15:20 GMT
If I can watch Will and Grace with Karen being a Trump supporter, I can watch this. I don’t think Rosanne Barr being a Trump supporter in real life is worth not watching a show over.
Really? Did you watch Will & Grace at all? Because if you watched it you'd realise that the whole show is very anti Trump.
Karen is the over the top character that they are portraying as a Trump supporter and they give her totally ridiculous things to say in "support" of Trump - but that's called sarcasm. They use Karen to point out how ludicrous/sexist/racist/misogynistic Trump's ideas (and those of his followers are)
They have always used Karen's character in that way (she's the rich snob, the racist, the evil stepmother, the pill popping alcoholic etc), she says the outrageous things as a way of highlighting just how offensive they really are. No one is meant to agree with the Karen character, we are meant to be shocked that she says those things out loud that other people may be thinking, and by having her character say them out loud it shows just how wrong those ideologies are.
*ETA: Satire was the word I was looking for, Karen is used as the satirical mouthpiece for the show.
The entire show very very anti Trump...although they have lightened up on that considerably since the first couple of episodes.
As for Roseanne as she actually supports Trump personally, therefore her character's portrayal of a Trump supporter is going to be world's apart from how they use Karen's character as a "supporter"
I am surprised by the people who are surprised that that a show's political slant or an actors actual political beliefs affects if I watch a show or not.
It's perfectly logical for that to be the case. Why would I want to watch a show that supports political parties or ideas that I am opposed to?
If they have characters on the show who actually spout ideas or opinions that I disagree with and make jokes that I don't find funny...then why would I sit and watch that show? Makes no sense.
I'm not even American but I have a pretty good idea about the "type" of person who voted for Trump...I don't need to "learn" that from a fictional TV show.
By the same token, if I know actors in real life and/or their characters on a show portray political ideas that I already agree with, then of course I am more likely to watch it, find the jokes funny and enjoy the show more.
That isn't exactly rocket science.
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Post by slkone on Mar 29, 2018 0:38:51 GMT
I actually like Sara Gilbert's hair. I love curly hair, and I'm totally good with it being a bit unruly.  Me too! I think her hair is beautiful. It is very much how her hair was on the show and how she wears it IRL. On a completely different note about the show discussion, it's disappointing to hear that people won't watch it because she is a Trump supporter. I can only assume that puts you as a democrat, a side that seems to preach tolerance. It is so unfortunate tolerance only seems to apply when it is something you agree with. We all have a wide variety of opinions, I can't imagine that everyone else that you watch on TV shares the exact same opinions as (general) you. The show is for entertainment purposes only. Plenty of other shows use the show as a platform for their political agenda... I will never be tolerant of a bully. That's what people don't get about tolerance. I don't OWE intolerant, hateful people tolerance. I'm not going to support someone of influence who supports an intolerant asshole by giving her ratings. |
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Post by christine58 on Mar 29, 2018 0:43:20 GMT
I am disappointed that this turned into a political thread Me too...I really wish admin would make it so the only one who can mark it that way is the OP. Thanks to all who fricking derailed this thread...Nice. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 0:55:12 GMT
I love the show when it first aired and I loved it last night. The fact that she is a Trump supporter did not stop me from wanting to watch it, even though I detest the man. She is allowed to support anyone she wants as I am allowed to support anyone I want. It's part of the freedom of living in America and I don't judge anyone on who they voted for. I may not agree, but that's okay. This bears repeating...for even some peas on this thread... |
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 29, 2018 0:57:24 GMT
I am disappointed that this turned into a political thread Me too...I really wish admin would make it so the only one who can mark it that way is the OP. Thanks to all who fricking derailed this thread...Nice. I mean, you can feel free to talk about Darlene’s hair some more. |
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Post by christine58 on Mar 29, 2018 1:00:13 GMT
I mean, you can feel free to talk about Darlene’s hair some more. I didn't mention a thing about her hair |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 1:01:22 GMT
My daughter and I watched the show. We both loved it. I personally feel it is back on to help open dialogue about specific issues we as Americans and humans face today. Politics. The definition of sexual orientation and being openly the opposite you were born. Bullying because you are different.
My daughter and I had some great conversations about the episodes.
I am looking forward to more episodes
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Post by elaine on Mar 29, 2018 1:02:33 GMT
I am disappointed that this turned into a political thread Me too...I really wish admin would make it so the only one who can mark it that way is the OP. Thanks to all who fricking derailed this thread...Nice. Um. You do know that Roseanne Barr has said that the show is supposed to spark national dialogue about politics, don’t you? |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 29, 2018 1:13:24 GMT
The definition of sexual orientation and being openly the opposite you were born. Bullying because you are different. Interesting choice of subject to have on the show considering her guy in the top job is the biggest bully of them all and tried to pass a law to boot transgender people out of the military. "be who you are/don't let anyone bully you because you are different...BUT...I'm gonna vote for the guy who won't let you use a certain toilet and will kick you out of your career because of that difference" I wonder how she reconciles those things in her head? |
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 29, 2018 1:26:09 GMT
I mean, you can feel free to talk about Darlene’s hair some more. I didn't mention a thing about her hair I didn’t mean YOU specifically. It was discussed. But, like, everyone can feel free to talk about all the things about the show! Just because I and others had a conversation you feel was “derailing” shouldn’t stop anyone from discussing other show topics. I will be interested to see if anyone in this very representative show about “middle America” will be addicted to opioids, for example. It seems like they’re really trying to cover a lot of bases. |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 29, 2018 1:31:26 GMT
If I can watch Will and Grace with Karen being a Trump supporter, I can watch this. I don’t think Rosanne Barr being a Trump supporter in real life is worth not watching a show over.
Really? Did you watch Will & Grace at all? Because if you watched it you'd realise that the whole show is very anti Trump.
Karen is the over the top character that they are portraying as a Trump supporter and they give her totally ridiculous things to say in "support" of Trump - but that's called sarcasm. They use Karen to point out how ludicrous/sexist/racist/misogynistic Trump's ideas (and those of his followers are)
They have always used Karen's character in that way (she's the rich snob, the racist, the evil stepmother, the pill popping alcoholic etc), she says the outrageous things as a way of highlighting just how offensive they really are. No one is meant to agree with the Karen character, we are meant to be shocked that she says those things out loud that other people may be thinking, and by having her character say them out loud it shows just how wrong those ideologies are.
*ETA: Satire was the word I was looking for, Karen is used as the satirical mouthpiece for the show.
The entire show very very anti Trump...although they have lightened up on that considerably since the first couple of episodes.
As for Roseanne as she actually supports Trump personally, therefore her character's portrayal of a Trump supporter is going to be world's apart from how they use Karen's character as a "supporter"
I am surprised by the people who are surprised that that a show's political slant or an actors actual political beliefs affects if I watch a show or not.
It's perfectly logical for that to be the case. Why would I want to watch a show that supports political parties or ideas that I am opposed to?
If they have characters on the show who actually spout ideas or opinions that I disagree with and make jokes that I don't find funny...then why would I sit and watch that show? Makes no sense.
I'm not even American but I have a pretty good idea about the "type" of person who voted for Trump...I don't need to "learn" that from a fictional TV show.
By the same token, if I know actors in real life and/or their characters on a show portray political ideas that I already agree with, then of course I am more likely to watch it, find the jokes funny and enjoy the show more.
That isn't exactly rocket science.
See, I thought the episodes last night made just as much fun of Trump as Will and Grace. It certainly was not pro-Trump at all, in my opinion. Did you watch? |
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Post by imkat on Mar 29, 2018 1:48:42 GMT
I wasn't a huge fan of the original show. I remember her as a mean-spiritied loudmouth and not that funny to me. It actually seemed like more of a drama than comedy to me.
HOWEVER, I heard about the two Beckys, and that sounded hilarious.
Another thing, I never realized Sarah Chalke from Scrubs was Becky 2 until today. |
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Post by littlemama on Mar 29, 2018 1:52:44 GMT
I never watched the original show because I found Roseanne to be crude and trashy. I have seen some episodes more recently so I know who the characters are (other than I had NO idea that Mark and David were brothers). I did watch the reboot and parts of it were really funny, while other parts were really uncomfortable. Original Becky was never a good actress and that has not changed. I might continue to watch if I have nothing else to do, but I'm not going to actively seek it out.
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Post by elaine on Mar 29, 2018 2:00:13 GMT
I didn't mention a thing about her hair I didn’t mean YOU specifically. It was discussed. But, like, everyone can feel free to talk about all the things about the show! Just because I and others had a conversation you feel was “derailing” shouldn’t stop anyone from discussing other show topics. I will be interested to see if anyone in this very representative show about “middle America” will be addicted to opioids, for example. It seems like they’re really trying to cover a lot of bases. Our town in WV - where dh grew up and his sister and our nephew and his new family continue to live - has a HUGE meth problem. In fact, many small communities in WV have meth problems. Who on Roseanne is going to set up the lab in their garage? |
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