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Post by artisticscrapper on Mar 31, 2018 3:07:40 GMT
There’s an LSS near me that’s been around over ten years. I know the owner and a couple of weeks ago she asked if I’d do a few layouts for display. She gave me some products she’d just gotten in but they looked pretty old school and I hadn’t heard of the manufacturer. When I gave the layouts to her today she told me business was bad. I told her my thoughts:
Most of her stock is years old. She buys bits and pieces of collections and than organizes her paper by theme. She has no trending products like oxide inks, popular stamps and dies, washi, etc. Her store has no website or social media connections.
Can this business be saved? I’m not a business owner or marketer but it seems to me that if she organized her store, maybe clearanced the really old stuff, and gradually brought in new items she might get more customers. She’s not tech savvy but even posting new items on Instagram might be helpful.
Peas, what do you want in an LSS? What makes you want to drive for an hour to shop? Do you think she can turn this around? Thanks for any suggestions.
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Post by LisaDV on Mar 31, 2018 3:36:42 GMT
I think in this day and age, you HAVE to have an online presence. Not necessarily a store online, but that helps too. Even a facebook group for the store is helpful. A calendar of events is crucial. Classes offered should be updated there with pictures. Any new products, ideas, tips, etc.
Crops are important too. I think with the ease and price point that online shopping gives, it's important to offer a niche that can't be filled elsewhere. So for scrapbookers, crops would be it.
It's late and that's all that comes to mind right off the top of my head.
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Post by don on Mar 31, 2018 4:02:20 GMT
The problems with most small independent hobby oriented stores are lack of funding, lack of business acumen, lack of trust. Lisa is right, what worked 10 years ago won't work today. You have to have a way to communicate with your existing customers and prospective customers. With the rate the small shops are closing it is a perfect time for the one(s) still standing to capitalize. There is one axiom that rings true; perpetuate or liquidate.
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Mar 31, 2018 4:21:31 GMT
I definitely agree an online presence is a huge help. The last LSS I had near me had the store arranged by theme which I find hard to shop but she also had one whole section of her racking dedicated to new releases. I always went there first before browsing through her themes. She was also really good at posting photos on her facebook page showing anything new in store. Several of her regulars would ask her to hold things based on those posts.
For me, I'm willing to drive if I think the store will have things that interest me. For me that meant brands outside what the big box stores carry, and complete (or close to complete) collections. I don't mind a mix of older and newer supplies - I bought plenty of older supplies either because I'd missed them the first time around, the design was now something that worked with the photos I had, or I wanted repeats of old favourites. That particular store also carried a really good range of colours in embossing powder and the mini versacube inks. All of that to say it's ok to have older products as long as there's something new to keep the regular customers coming back.
I hope she finds a way to save her business, but from my outsider perspective it doesn't look promising.
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Post by mich5481 on Mar 31, 2018 4:34:56 GMT
She definitely needs to have social media - when I travel to a new area, I tend to look up SB stores, and if they aren't active and online, I assume they are closed. I don't know where you are located, but if you are in a touristy area, it would help if she had some local themed items or diecuts, as that it what a lot of tourists look for.
Classes would help move old product - design some pages with a few new items/techniques, but the core could be old products.
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Post by mich5481 on Mar 31, 2018 4:37:44 GMT
She could also offer premade page kits with color instructions. A SB near me used to bring in an instructor every few months, and they would ask her to make up pages with older products. She would do that, and then have the pages available to croppers during a 1 or 2 day crop. They would also post pictures of the the completed pages on FB, and people could order the kits if they couldn't attend the crop. Those kits would frequently sell out over a weekend.
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Post by grammadee on Mar 31, 2018 5:16:38 GMT
What about pre orders? If she has a supplier that can deliver the new products, maybe she could open up for pre orders at a discount of what she would normally charge for collections. Customers get new product. She doesn't have to gamble by ordering in stuff that might not sell. She may want to order in the more popular items on spec that other people will want to play with them once they see them in use.
She doesn't need to have an on line store or even be on facebook if she collects email addresses from people and then forwards group messages about possible new pre orders.
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Post by justjac on Mar 31, 2018 13:30:08 GMT
My LSS made up grab bags of older paper. You could see the front and back 12x12 and she threw in a few co-ordinating embellishments that you could also see so you weren’t buying blind. It was a great way to get rid of older paper. I bought three or four of them but I hadn’t been buying anything off her clearance paper rack. She did the same thing with wood veneers. She broke up the sets where you get five or six identical pieces of the designs and made smaller bags with a mix.
She also is on Facebook and posts her new arrivals. That always gets me into the store to buy things.
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Post by amp on Mar 31, 2018 14:41:33 GMT
What gets me driving to a LSS is good, new product. If a store continuously has old product that I didn't buy the first time, I won't go back. I don't care so much for an online presence for local stores, just good product. And the employees don't have to be super-friendly, although that is nice, they just can't be rude.
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Post by tduby1 on Mar 31, 2018 15:07:45 GMT
I think in this day and age, you HAVE to have an online presence. Not necessarily a store online, but that helps too. Even a facebook group for the store is helpful. A calendar of events is crucial. Classes offered should be updated there with pictures. Any new products, ideas, tips, etc. Crops are important too. I think with the ease and price point that online shopping gives, it's important to offer a niche that can't be filled elsewhere. So for scrapbookers, crops would be it. It's late and that's all that comes to mind right off the top of my head. Yes, crops and great classes. We have no LSSs near us but drive downstate to hit a few and they do business like crazy during crops! But yes, updated stock is very important.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 16:42:09 GMT
I'm amazed the store is still around given what you've said.
It's a very hard business in which to thrive. Margins % might be OK, but in pure dollar terms, they're terrible because the items are so low cost to begin with. But the business's non-product costs are the same as any other selling higher priced merchandise - rent, insurance, admin, payroll, etc.
I hope she/they take some advice from you and make a better go of it.
Oh, and, if she can possibly do classes in the evening - not necessarily scrapbook related. Mixed media, watercolor, anything art related - I think that helps word of mouth spread.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 31, 2018 19:39:49 GMT
My LSS brings in new product and anything they don't carry they will order. Their real business is in crops and classes. I don't think they've held a 3 day crop that didn't sell out. They also have a regular crop schedule for days, evenings and weekends.
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 31, 2018 21:32:11 GMT
The store I go to sends out emails every time she gets new product or schedules a class or crop. She also has a facebook page.
She runs crops and charges $10 but if you spend $20 your crop fee is refunded.
I would start getting some journalling and card making things in. If there are church bulletins that run ads on the back, then place ads there.
So if it can be saved I would start scheduling crops every Friday night (at least) and I would send out emails and newsletters as well as facebook.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Mar 31, 2018 21:39:02 GMT
All good suggestions, so thanks for your input. Some of this is what I discussed with her yesterday. Hopefully she really wants to make the effort to save her store.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 31, 2018 21:53:01 GMT
If most of her inventory is old, her ship might already be sunk unless she can pump more cash into new inventory. The problem is that she’s likely got a ton of money tied up in old inventory that no one wants. If she clearances out all the old stuff, it will be for pennies on the dollar and she’ll be taking a major loss on all of it. Even if she sold it all, she wouldn’t recoup enough money to restock her store with an equal amount of new inventory that people actually want.
ETA: I agree that classes, crops and other events that pull people in play a major part. She has to do what other retailers can’t or won’t to draw people in and keep them coming back, and that’s where having an online presence will be key. Unfortunately these days it’s the only way to advertise where it will really make any difference. If I were her, I would go through my list of vendors and get on as many retailer locators as I could. I’d set up an Instagram account and a Pinterest account and start posting projects there with links back to a website or at the very least a Facebook page for the store.
I’d also host a huge rummage sale where people could sell their stuff and give them store credit for whatever sells, and I’d put my oldest stuff in the sale and price it really cheap to move. I’d advertise the heck out of the sale to get the word out about the store and get people talking about it. Use whatever money she gets from the sale to bring in new inventory that people will want to pay full price for. Then have a lineup of crops and classes planned so when they come in for the sale so people will be enticed to sign up for those and come back.
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Post by FurryP on Mar 31, 2018 22:17:00 GMT
I would like to throw in about pricing. I get that a store that moves less quantity of product will not get the manufacturer discounts, but highly over-priced items will make me not come back.
I am willing to pay full retail or maybe a bit higher for instant gratification. But I will NOT buy crazy over-priced items. One LSS in my city had Thickers for $9.99. Yeah, NO!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 22:50:00 GMT
I would like to throw in about pricing. I get that a store that moves less quantity of product will not get the manufacturer discounts, but highly over-priced items will make me not come back. I am willing to pay full retail or maybe a bit higher for instant gratification. But I will NOT buy crazy over-priced items. One LSS in my city had Thickers for $9.99. Yeah, NO!!! I buy most of my stuff for 20% off online so to have instant gratification I’d be willing to pay msrp. But $10 for $5 thickers? Uh no.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 1, 2018 1:37:36 GMT
I forgot to mention, when the convention comes, like CKC, I know some store owners who travel to the convention to talk directly to vendors who don't want to take their stuff back with them. For example, Echo Park has kits for a great price and I know at least one vendor who made a deal with them and brought all this great Echo Park into her store.
If her store is in an area where there are no conventions this would be nice for her customers who don't get to have them in hand. Also she could start doing personalized paper. There is a vendor at CKC Lancaster that has people email her photos and she makes them personalized pages on the spot by using online resources, ie college paper, team paper, whatever. She does paper for Broadway shows, etc and depending if they are full color papers she charges up to $7 for a page. She has a nice 12x12 printer.
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Post by stinkerbelle on Apr 1, 2018 1:50:13 GMT
i, personally, am not a class-taker. typically they are for cards (which i don't make), layouts (i don't scrap 12x12) or mini albums (i believe i have made exactly one my entire scrapping career). having said that, i agree, classes and crops are a great way to get butts into the seats. she can scour pinterest for ideas if she can't afford/doesn't know a teacher.
i also totally agree with some sort of online presence, even if it's only an email list. attaching images of new products or class examples in an email is better than nothing, although i do think at the very least a facebook page is important.
also, offering a gift certificate or free class as a prize for any fundraisers/raffles happening in the area or sponsoring a little league team. the church bulletin is definitely a good idea and most places i've visited also have a free newspaper full of ads and upcoming events info. getting her name out there is very important, especially online search engines.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 1, 2018 1:59:34 GMT
There’s an LSS near me that’s been around over ten years. I know the owner and a couple of weeks ago she asked if I’d do a few layouts for display. She gave me some products she’d just gotten in but they looked pretty old school and I hadn’t heard of the manufacturer. When I gave the layouts to her today she told me business was bad. I told her my thoughts: Most of her stock is years old. She buys bits and pieces of collections and than organizes her paper by theme. She has no trending products like oxide inks, popular stamps and dies, washi, etc. Her store has no website or social media connections. Can this business be saved? I’m not a business owner or marketer but it seems to me that if she organized her store, maybe clearanced the really old stuff, and gradually brought in new items she might get more customers. She’s not tech savvy but even posting new items on Instagram might be helpful. Peas, what do you want in an LSS? What makes you want to drive for an hour to shop? Do you think she can turn this around? Thanks for any suggestions. What stae are you in? Can she drive to a competitor (even if it's hours away) to see what a successful store looks like?
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Post by don on Apr 1, 2018 6:05:18 GMT
I would have thought, somewhere along the years the small stores would have thought up an association of an owner/operator association. They could form a buying group, face their common problems, and perhaps do some advertising.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 1, 2018 15:35:51 GMT
I would have thought, somewhere along the years the small stores would have thought up an association of an owner/operator association. They could form a buying group, face their common problems, and perhaps do some advertising. There have been a number of them over the years. The main problem I had with all of them was that they wanted hundreds of dollars a month to participate and offered very little in return for that investment. I always felt my money was better spent on other things. IIRC Crafter’s Home was a big one.
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Post by don on Apr 1, 2018 16:13:15 GMT
I was thinking more on a local level, and more informal. Maybe meet once a month over dinner and discuss their situations and find solutions. Almost every profession has such. As a 30 year carpet cleaner, I was involved with our local area carpet cleaners, a lot of them I still see on occasion. We even had an informal program of help. If someone had to go off work because of hospitalization or injury, others would step in and cover the work them. If when you decide to go into any business you have to ask yourself "Why am I going to start/buy a business?" A lot of folks say they want to be in charge, or I just love the business. The only reason to go into any business is to MAKE MONEY, nothing else makes sense. Anything else is a hobby with major debt.
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Post by grammadee on Apr 1, 2018 17:16:31 GMT
The fact is that is it is REALLY difficult to maintain a brick & mortar store these days. I was in our LSS last month when a lady came in and was chatting about various scrapping supplies, asked the owner lots of questions, then said she was going to Michaels' to see what she could get on a coupon. Earlier during the discussion, she was complaining about the prices at a local quilting/fabric store and declared she had "looked at the different weights of material, then decided I could just order on line from the US for much cheaper."
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Apr 2, 2018 5:47:28 GMT
I love visiting scrapbook stores when I travel Lately I have noticed stores are bringing in an adjacent hobby to widen their customer base. Planners; wood projects that are covered with scrapbook paper; invitations; dies; stamping. Any of these can have classes themed around them. The wood projects have been very popular in stores in Utah, California and Oregon. There's a shadow box kit designed to be changeable for different holidays. It's adorable. The store owners take pre-paid orders for the kits, then have classes to put the kits together. With the orders pre-paid there is not a lot of financial risk for the owner. (edited to add link) Foundations Decor wood products
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Post by woodysbetty on Apr 2, 2018 10:46:59 GMT
The one closest to me is more of a paper crafting store...lots of stamps, inks, mixed media techniques, and planners etc... It's a fun bright place, with a little bit of something for everyone. I think this is what helps brings in some foot traffic...
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Post by lisacharlotte on Apr 2, 2018 13:19:46 GMT
My LSS has mixed media supplies and classes. They also have the wood decor (including those seasonal shadow boxes).
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Post by scrapnnana on Apr 2, 2018 14:39:33 GMT
Old stock is a problem for any LSS. It needs to be cleared, but the owner has money tied up in it. They need to find a way to get rid of it but still get some of their money back, in order for them to be able to buy newer stock.
I used to live near a wonderful LSS. To get rid of older stock and make room for new, the owner of the LSS made up see through packets of older papers with coordinating embellishments (stickers, ribbon, flowers, whatever) for about $3. They sold fairly well, and she got rid of older stock. I don't know if the LSS made any kind of a profit, but it made room for new stock, and gave her a little money to buy the newer papers and supplies.
They had great classes and let the teachers determine their own fees as well as design the projects (class project did have to get approval from the owner). That brought in good teachers. The LSS got a set fee, which was built into the cost of the class, but kit materials were provided at a discount. (I used to teach there, which is why I know how it worked.) The classes usually did well, and class members sometimes bought more materials so they could make additional projects. The register was right at the front, near the door. The class projects were displayed on a wall right behind the register.
The employees were friendly and helpful. They neither ignored the customers, or hovered over them.
She offered weekly make and takes. I did those. I used older stock when possible. It was usually a tag, a card, or a small box or bag. I used her dies and tools, but I also often brought my own from home to use to make up the kits.
She also asked various employees (including me) to take turns creating a layout that used newer stock. That helped new stock sell fast, and it also helped bring people in every Wednesday, when the layout was first available. The papers and supplies used sold fast, so that got customers to come in rather than procrastinate.
She offered a punch key tag for $2, but when completely punched, the customer got $15 off whatever they wanted. She also had a coupon day once a week. She offered discounts to school teachers. I think she also offered a discount to military personnel.
She was willing to special order tools and supplies for customers, if they paid in advance. No refunds on advance orders.
She had a design team that came up with projects for display every month. Again, they used new papers, not old ones. They were displayed on a wall.
She had a play area in the crop room so that moms could shop or crop, and the kids were less likely to wander or get into mischief.
The crop room was free to use any time, as long as no classes or crops were going on there (or about to start). I don't remember how often they had crops, but a certain number of pre-paid customers had to be signed up. If they didn't get enough people, the crops were cancelled, and the money refunded. I think they had a basic, no frills crop every Friday night, and once or twice a month they had a regular crop with food, prizes, etc.
She eventually had to close her business to move to another state, but soon after, I discovered a paper arts store about half an hour away that was really nice. It had trendier paper arts and mixed media projects, but they also offered good deals in various ways. She had a punch card, but it was just a card, not plastic. It was free. Easier to lose or forget, since it wasn't attached to my keys. She discounted the most expensive item you bought, as if you had a coupon, but without a coupon. If you bought a bunch of paper, she counted it as your one item if that was the most expensive. It was a different feel from the LSS, but it always had customers. If I get back there to the area to visit, I will definitely make a stop at that store before I return home.
I moved from that area to the DFW area of Texas. Here there is one store that focuses on just about everything but scrapbooking. Their classes seem to be home decor, journals, mixed media, cards, and other stuff. None of the classes interest me, and I rarely find anything I want there. They used to be 30 minutes away, but then they moved. I don't know where the new store is, but it's an area where I never go. I haven't bothered to look them up. Another LSS in the area is more traditional. They are fairly new, not a lot of stock, and a 45 minute drive. I liked them, but they are also not in an area where I am likely to go. Then there is the really nice LSS. It is worth the drive, but it is an hour and fifteen minutes away. I have been there once since I moved here. They have the best of everything. Papers, stamps, mixed media, etc. I discovered Wink of Stella at that store. Even though I didn't need a thing, I spent a chunk of change the day that I went there with a former scrapping buddy who came to visit. If I had a smaller stash, I would probably make the trip from time to time by myself, but it's a long way to go when I don't feel that I need anything.
Online ordering is easier for me. I want to support brick and mortar stores, but it has to be really worth it for me to make a long drive. I might be more likely to go if they offered classes and projects that interest me. Newer stock is expected, but I need to see tempting projects online to make me inclined to make the drive.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Apr 3, 2018 0:01:42 GMT
There’s an LSS near me that’s been around over ten years. I know the owner and a couple of weeks ago she asked if I’d do a few layouts for display. She gave me some products she’d just gotten in but they looked pretty old school and I hadn’t heard of the manufacturer. When I gave the layouts to her today she told me business was bad. I told her my thoughts: Most of her stock is years old. She buys bits and pieces of collections and than organizes her paper by theme. She has no trending products like oxide inks, popular stamps and dies, washi, etc. Her store has no website or social media connections. Can this business be saved? I’m not a business owner or marketer but it seems to me that if she organized her store, maybe clearanced the really old stuff, and gradually brought in new items she might get more customers. She’s not tech savvy but even posting new items on Instagram might be helpful. Peas, what do you want in an LSS? What makes you want to drive for an hour to shop? Do you think she can turn this around? Thanks for any suggestions. What stae are you in? Can she drive to a competitor (even if it's hours away) to see what a successful store looks like? We are in Southern California. There isn’t much near by but I think it might work if she checks out a few websites of some of the better, successful stores. Thanks for the suggestion.
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