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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 22:59:41 GMT
Of course, it's being whitewashed. I don't think this administration has been straight with the American people about anything. Transparent, my Aunt Fanny.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 23:02:41 GMT
Lookie here. This board's version of "Enough" has surfaced!
Well carry on!
Oh wait GAj won't see this as she blocked me because as she put it "she can't tell me anything!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 23:58:05 GMT
Is there anyone, Democrat or Republican that supports this delay in the investigation? Doesn't the military need to wrap up this investigation so that they're aware of what really happened so that IF there are changes to be made in policy or procedures, they can be done?
Most transparent Administration in history...Obama said so himself. And people believed (and still believe) it.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 21, 2014 0:12:50 GMT
I wasn't there. You weren't there. But the soldiers who were there believe Bergdahl was a deserter. They are upset that soldiers lost their lives looking for a deserter. Where is their justice?
We do not know if those soldiers are republicans or democrats if they voted for a Obama or not. They should not be dismissed but many liberals will do that because they will defend Obama to the end and forgive his every sweep of the truth under the rug.
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Post by I-95 on Sept 21, 2014 0:23:57 GMT
I wasn't there. You weren't there. But the soldiers who were there believe Bergdahl was a deserter. They are upset that soldiers lost their lives looking for a deserter. Where is their justice? We do not know if those soldiers are republicans or democrats if they voted for a Obama or not. They should not be dismissed but many liberals will do that because they will defend Obama to the end and forgive his every sweep of the truth under the rug. I'm about as Liberal as they come and I think there should be an investigation into this whole affair. There are just too many questions that remain unanswered, up to, and including whether or not soldiers died searching for him. The records are not clear whether those killed were on a mission to find Bergdahl, or whether they were just on regular patrols with instructions to keep their eyes open for him. Although, despite the claims from the naysayers, I can't imagine the President alone makes the decision to open an inquiry. One would think that Obama was the one President in the entire history of the US who makes a zillion decisions with no input from anyone else, just he alone manages every detail of the running of this country. In this particular case, I'm sure the military has a lot of input.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 21, 2014 0:31:28 GMT
I wasn't there. You weren't there. But the soldiers who were there believe Bergdahl was a deserter. They are upset that soldiers lost their lives looking for a deserter. Where is their justice? We do not know if those soldiers are republicans or democrats if they voted for a Obama or not. They should not be dismissed but many liberals will do that because they will defend Obama to the end and forgive his every sweep of the truth under the rug. I'm about as Liberal as they come and I think there should be an investigation into this whole affair. There are just too many questions that remain unanswered, up to, and including whether or not soldiers died searching for him. The records are not clear whether those killed were on a mission to find Bergdahl, or whether they were just on regular patrols with instructions to keep their eyes open for him. Although, despite the claims from the naysayers, I can't imagine the President alone makes the decision to open an inquiry. One would think that Obama was the one President in the entire history of the US who makes a zillion decisions with no input from anyone else, just he alone manages every detail of the running of this country. In this particular case, I'm sure the military has a lot of input. I think the article is pretty straight forward. If the military takes action against Bergdahl, it makes Obama look bad for trading five Al Queda for a deserter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 0:53:07 GMT
I wasn't there. You weren't there. But the soldiers who were there believe Bergdahl was a deserter. They are upset that soldiers lost their lives looking for a deserter. Where is their justice? We do not know if those soldiers are republicans or democrats if they voted for a Obama or not. They should not be dismissed but many liberals will do that because they will defend Obama to the end and forgive his every sweep of the truth under the rug. I'm about as Liberal as they come and I think there should be an investigation into this whole affair. There are just too many questions that remain unanswered, up to, and including whether or not soldiers died searching for him. The records are not clear whether those killed were on a mission to find Bergdahl, or whether they were just on regular patrols with instructions to keep their eyes open for him. Although, despite the claims from the naysayers, I can't imagine the President alone makes the decision to open an inquiry. One would think that Obama was the one President in the entire history of the US who makes a zillion decisions with no input from anyone else, just he alone manages every detail of the running of this country. In this particular case, I'm sure the military has a lot of input. I agree that these questions should and need to be answered. It was my understanding that in this country one is presumed innocent until found guilty. However after reading the posts of a couple on this thread its clear they have decided both President Obama and Berghadl have been found guilty and should be on their way to a firing squad.
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 21, 2014 0:57:56 GMT
But isn't it fairly common for a good portion of court cases to be continued?
For me, I am having a hard time connecting a continuance with cover up and/or white wash.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 1:35:10 GMT
I wasn't there. You weren't there. But the soldiers who were there believe Bergdahl was a deserter. They are upset that soldiers lost their lives looking for a deserter. Where is their justice? We do not know if those soldiers are republicans or democrats if they voted for a Obama or not. They should not be dismissed but many liberals will do that because they will defend Obama to the end and forgive his every sweep of the truth under the rug. I'm about as Liberal as they come and I think there should be an investigation into this whole affair. There are just too many questions that remain unanswered, up to, and including whether or not soldiers died searching for him. The records are not clear whether those killed were on a mission to find Bergdahl, or whether they were just on regular patrols with instructions to keep their eyes open for him. Although, despite the claims from the naysayers, I can't imagine the President alone makes the decision to open an inquiry. One would think that Obama was the one President in the entire history of the US who makes a zillion decisions with no input from anyone else, just he alone manages every detail of the running of this country. In this particular case, I'm sure the military has a lot of input. Since the president made the decision to swap terrorists for Bergdahl, I'd assume he has the decision making authority to see that this case is concluded. The Army really has no reason to drag its feet on this unless they've been directed by higher-ups to do so. However, given the fact that he claims he doesn't know about a lot of stuff going on in his administration until he reads it in the paper, I guess it's possible that the president doesn't know what's going on in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 1:39:45 GMT
Maybe just maybe they just need more time to get it right. But of course that can't be the case right?
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 21, 2014 2:18:17 GMT
Maybe just maybe they just need more time to get it right. But of course that can't be the case right? It's been three months since the release and five years since the night he deserted/disappeared. I would think that the investigation took place years ago. The missing piece, Bergdahl's account of the events. He completed his mental health evaluation, retuned to duty and has retained an attorney.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 2:28:08 GMT
Maybe just maybe they just need more time to get it right. But of course that can't be the case right? It's been three months since the release and five years since the night he deserted/disappeared. I would think that the investigation took place years ago. The missing piece, Bergdahl's account of the events. He completed his mental health evaluation, retuned to duty and has retained an attorney. And I don't think this is some big whitewash conspiracy. I think that they want to do it right. But that is just me. And honestly I don't think Obama has ANYTHING to do with this investigation. It is an internal one. But I know you all think I am blind. I just disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 2:45:25 GMT
If this administration really WAS transparent, maybe I'd be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
BUT, you'd better believe if Bergdahl really was a hero like the administration made him out to be, this investigation would be done and the results trumpeted loudly for all to hear, especially considering the flack Obama took for not getting Congressional approval for the swap. The Democrats need a boost before mid-terms and they'd all be hailing this one as an Obama victory.
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Post by sugarmama on Sept 21, 2014 2:46:25 GMT
You got that right, Nicksmom!
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 21, 2014 2:55:27 GMT
If this administration really WAS transparent, maybe I'd be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. BUT, you'd better believe if Bergdahl really was a hero like the administration made him out to be, this investigation would be done and the results trumpeted loudly for all to hear, especially considering the flack Obama took for not getting Congressional approval for the swap. The Democrats need a boost before mid-terms and they'd all be hailing this one as an Obama victory. Then there are the five released from Gitmo. Obama assured us that the government of Qatar would monitor them. Reuters reported within days of the release they were moving around freely. I think we have not heard the last from them. If they execute acts of terrorism anywhere in the world that's on Obama.
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Post by I-95 on Sept 21, 2014 2:57:45 GMT
Nicksmom said:
Do you actually think Obama made the decision to swap terrorists for Bergdahl without any advice from anyone? Like he was just wandering down to the Oval Office one morning and thought 'Damn, I think I'll trade me some terrorists for that boy'? It just strikes me as patently stupid for anyone to think that way.
Backto*pea*ality said:
See, now this is one thing that fascinates me...if the military had evidence that Bergdahl was a deserter and a traitor, WTH are they returning him to duty? And why wouldn't he retain an attorney? Anyone with half a brain who has been accused of a crime, whether one has been charged with a crime or not, should hire really good legal counsel. If I were in his position I'd have an attorney on speed dial.
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Post by I-95 on Sept 21, 2014 3:04:29 GMT
If this administration really WAS transparent, maybe I'd be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Get serious....what administration has EVER been transparent? And to whom should they be transparent? You? Me? ISIS? Why do we bother having security clearances? No Government, in any country, is transparent. I can't even believe people expect such a thing to happen. Politicians can stand up and say they are going to have a 'transparent' administration, but nobody with any sense believes that. It's a ridiculous claim, and a ridiculous expectation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 3:10:27 GMT
Nicksmom said: Do you actually think Obama made the decision to swap terrorists for Bergdahl without any advice from anyone? Like he was just wandering down to the Oval Office one morning and thought 'Damn, I think I'll trade me some terrorists for that boy'? It just strikes me as patently stupid for anyone to think that way. Yes. Yes, that's exactly what I said. Of course Obama gets advice from others. He's too inexperienced to go it alone. But the final decision was his. I thought everyone understood that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 3:11:29 GMT
If this administration really WAS transparent, maybe I'd be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Get serious....what administration has EVER been transparent? And to whom should they be transparent? You? Me? ISIS? Why do we bother having security clearances? No Government, in any country, is transparent. I can't even believe people expect such a thing to happen. Politicians can stand up and say they are going to have a 'transparent' administration, but nobody with any sense believes that. It's a ridiculous claim, and a ridiculous expectation. Why is it ridiculous to hold a president to his campaign promise? He set the expectation for it, not me. And a great many people believed enough in his hope and change that they voted for him. But I'm glad you can see he's a liar like every other politician.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 3:17:08 GMT
Get serious....what administration has EVER been transparent? And to whom should they be transparent? You? Me? ISIS? Why do we bother having security clearances? No Government, in any country, is transparent. I can't even believe people expect such a thing to happen. Politicians can stand up and say they are going to have a 'transparent' administration, but nobody with any sense believes that. It's a ridiculous claim, and a ridiculous expectation. Why is it ridiculous to hold a president to his campaign promise? He set the expectation for it, not me. And a great many people believed enough in his hope and change that they voted for him. But I'm glad you can see he's a liar like every other politician. Well I can tell you that I didn't vote for him because he said he would be transparent....in fact I don't think everything needs to be at all. It has nothing to do with why most people voted for him I would wager to bet as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 3:21:09 GMT
Why is it ridiculous to hold a president to his campaign promise? He set the expectation for it, not me. And a great many people believed enough in his hope and change that they voted for him. But I'm glad you can see he's a liar like every other politician. Well I can tell you that I didn't vote for him because he said he would be transparent....in fact I don't think everything needs to be at all. It has nothing to do with why most people voted for him I would wager to bet as well. I don't think any administration can ever be transparent, especially in national security issues. I knew he was blowing smoke when he made those promises. But still, it was something he ran on, being a new kind of honest president we could trust. Hope and change. It was NOT going to be business as usual in Washington if he became president. But it is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 3:23:14 GMT
Well I can tell you that I didn't vote for him because he said he would be transparent....in fact I don't think everything needs to be at all. It has nothing to do with why most people voted for him I would wager to bet as well. I don't think any administration can ever be transparent, especially in national security issues. I knew he was blowing smoke when he made those promises. But still, it was something he ran on, being a new kind of honest president we could trust. Hope and change. It was NOT going to be business as usual in Washington if he became president. But it is. Every single candidate for everything runs on that type of platform. They are politicians.....comes with the territory. Again that doesn't bother me one iota nor anyone else that I know that voted for him. I have spoken out here numerous times for things I don't agree with him over. But transparency, nope.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 3:26:13 GMT
Really? Because I've talked to several people who did vote for him the first time around and were disappointed that he didn't follow through on his promises to be different. Everybody has their reasons to be disappointed, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 3:32:17 GMT
Nicksmom said: Do you actually think Obama made the decision to swap terrorists for Bergdahl without any advice from anyone? Like he was just wandering down to the Oval Office one morning and thought 'Damn, I think I'll trade me some terrorists for that boy'? It just strikes me as patently stupid for anyone to think that way. Backto*pea*ality said: See, now this is one thing that fascinates me...if the military had evidence that Bergdahl was a deserter and a traitor, WTH are they returning him to duty? And why wouldn't he retain an attorney? Anyone with half a brain who has been accused of a crime, whether one has been charged with a crime or not, should hire really good legal counsel. If I were in his position I'd have an attorney on speed dial. Honestly, I-95, I believe that Obama believed that Bergdahl was a hero...and that's why the trade was made. Keep in mind the Rose Garden speech...I don't recall which fiasco we were in the middle of at that time (maybe IRS?) and Obama hoped to take some of the heat off of him over that with the negotiation for release of an American hero. Except...maybe Bergdahl wasn't an American hero and it seems the more people that came out and made claims that he deserted, the quicker it was swept under the rug by this Administration.
Why are they returning him to duty? Well actually, I think they returned him to a desk job. It's not like they put him back out into the field with other men and women. And what else were they supposed to do? Without the investigation being completed, the Army cannot yet call him a deserter. And that investigation will not be completed until at least after the mid terms, or perhaps when Obama is out of office...or who knows...maybe never? I think whatever the Army ends up doing with him (a dishonorable discharge perhaps?) it will be kept very quiet as not to draw any additional attention to this debacle and Obama's part in it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 3:34:41 GMT
Why is it ridiculous to hold a president to his campaign promise? He set the expectation for it, not me. And a great many people believed enough in his hope and change that they voted for him. But I'm glad you can see he's a liar like every other politician. Well I can tell you that I didn't vote for him because he said he would be transparent....in fact I don't think everything needs to be at all. It has nothing to do with why most people voted for him I would wager to bet as well. Well why did he promise transparency and even after a few years in office, still makes the claim that it seems most of America believes is a lie.
Hope and change. Obama was supposed to be better. Not the same, run of the mill, lying sacks of shit that have polluted DC for so long.
He is absolutely no better than any before him.
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Post by I-95 on Sept 21, 2014 3:36:12 GMT
lol. Yes, I do think he plays with the truth just like every other politician. I think they all make campaign promises they can't keep. It's our job, as voters, to sort through the 'I wanna get elected so I'll say whatever it is I think you want to hear' rhetoric, and make a half way intelligent decision based on what we hope will be accomplished, but transparency isn't something I'd expect from any administration. If there were folks who actually believed that claim, then I'm sorry for their lack of understanding on how the government functions. Transparency is not an option.
Isn't that true of every President? Some of them make monumental mistakes based on bad intel. Why should this one be any different?
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Post by I-95 on Sept 21, 2014 3:54:05 GMT
GaJenny said:
See, I'm confused about this whole issue, and maybe I just haven't read enough about it. I was out of the country when it was all going down and quite frankly more concerned with the more pressing issues going on around me at the time...rockets overhead and all that mess....anyway, why would the army wait until the President was out of office to investigate what is a military issue? It's not like it's going to do major harm to Obama. He did not make that decision without serious input from military sources, so he can do what President Bush did with the WMDs in Iraq...claim bad intel.
From what I understand, Bergdahl walked away from his camp and was captured within hours. A person has to have been AWOL for a minimum of 3 days (I think) before the military considers them to be a deserter...kind of hard when he was captured before he could be gone long enough to qualify. Nobody saw him leave the camp, so those in his unit who claim he deserted are just talking....they may well believe that to be true, but under both military, and civilian law, you have to PROVE something in order to convict someone of a crime. Until they have some solid proof, and no matter how much they believe what they say, his fellow soldiers cannot, or have not, offered up any solid proof that he deserted...if they can't then he remains a soldier who was captured and held prisoner and has the right to be held blameless. You cannot convict someone on hearsay.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 5:34:08 GMT
[quote source="/post/215122/thread" timestamp="1411268265" author= Honestly, I-95, I believe that Obama believed that Bergdahl was a hero...and that's why the trade was made. Keep in mind the Rose Garden speech...
[/quote] Sorry but this us one of the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say and I assume mean it. And you wonder why I don't listen to anything you have to say. Oh wow! Amazing just amazing. Oh well as I have said many times everyone is entitled to their opinion but this one takes the cake.
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Post by rebelyelle on Sept 21, 2014 6:34:47 GMT
I have a hard time believing that a President - ANY President - would trade 5 terrorists just to make himself look good. I'm sorry, but you've got to believe that Obama is a pretty terrible, despicable person who truly despises America to believe that he would endanger our national security just to make himself look good. It's an absurd belief. I have said it before and I'll say it again - the American public and the press don't know everything about the how's and why's of this case. We probably never will. Their NY Post's "indictment" and "damning proof" are laughable - they know nothing. It's all pure speculation, drummed up to sell papers. And you're falling for it. I'll wait for the investigation to conclude and then consider the evidence, if there is any.
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